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The Cowboy Who Went Up A Mountain And Came Down A Gay Man

 
  

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Ganesh
06:08 / 16.03.06
DM, you really ought to see the film.
 
 
Dead Megatron
11:13 / 16.03.06
Yeah, I'm beggining to feel like it.
 
 
Dead Megatron
11:22 / 16.03.06
You're also Brazilian.

And extremely proudly so, but I'm not getting the connection (really). Are you suggesting we Brazilians are more heterossexual proned than other people? Or simply more sexist? Are Brazilian women more attractive than others? All that can be true, or not, I wouldn't know. If you menat to be disrespectful or ironic, it didn't work. If it was a compliment of some sort, well, thank you very much.

We do have gay people here too, y'know, and they have the exact same hard time as any gay people anywhere in the world (sodomy is not illegal, though, thank the gods).

In fact, you all are more than invited to come down here and take a look, I'll be happy to show you around. Lots of fun for all kinds os sexual orientations.
 
 
Ganesh
12:53 / 16.03.06
Perhaps you could explore that in a thread other than this one?
 
 
Triplets
12:55 / 16.03.06
Some of my best friend's countries are gay.
 
 
Dead Megatron
13:03 / 16.03.06
Perhaps you could explore that in a thread other than this one?

Not really interested, but I apologise for the threadrotting moment
 
 
Augury
12:22 / 18.03.06
I finally saw Brokeback Mountain this afternoon. I write *finally* because it feels that way – a local politician Bob Katter here in Queensland, Australia lobbied for some towns not to show the film. Katter postulated that there were no gay cowboys in Queensland and that gay cowboys were of course the only people who would want to see the film. Local cinemas disagreed and a town an hour away from me has been showing the film for the last few weeks.

I really enjoyed it, a slow, moving, tender film. It put me in a space of thinking about lovers who for whatever reason are unable to find happiness. It made me think that if you’ve ever thought of yourself as an outsider, you’ll be able to identify with the characters in this film. There’s a sense of universality to the film – it could be occurring in any small rural town on Earth.

I didn’t know that Heath Ledger was that good an actor. He completely transformed himself for the role. I liked the quiet similarities between him and Alma Jr – both quiet and seemingly emotionally reticent. She loves her father and seems happy to quietly enjoy the space between them – not needing to talk about the obvious issues in her father’s marriage. The 2nd daughter is noticeably absent in the second part of the film – it just made me wonder why she wasn’t there – there’s a gap there that’s left unexplored for the viewers.

I also enjoyed Jake Gyllenhall’s performance – his character didn’t seem as nuanced or detailed as Ennis. I think one of my favourite scenes in the movie is where Jack is having dinner with his family, and there’s this huge alpha male feud as to who controls the TV and the turkey. His father-in-law’s comments about how boys need to watch football and Jack’s justified outburst spoke volumes about the tensions between these two men – and the notion of queer identity that the film probed throughout. I mentally cheered when Jack “won that battle”. I loved Jake’s performance, but it also let me know that Jake seems to be a hilarious kind of guy, great comic timing – and I’d like to see him take on a well-written comedic role.

There’s a sense, for me that while Ennis *mostly* clings to his convictions and views about tolerance – does Jack “change” through the film? On the mountain, he says he’s “not a queer” and only seems to love Ennis. As the film moves on – he becomes involved with more men (Mexico and the talkative woman’s husband). His dream of a ranch with Ennis becomes a dream of the ranch with this other guy. I don’t know; does his love for Ennis lessen? Does he finally “quit” Ennis? Or does he just realise that unrequited love just isn’t his cup of tea?

There is change for Ennis though, in the last scenes of the movie where he talks with Alma Jr and finally agrees to attend her wedding. It is as though Ennis’s death catalyses a realisation that being emotionally reticent has not worked for him in the past – and that he needs to be more available for the people in his life he loves. I wonder about Ennis’s future… I wonder if this man will ever find happiness.

When Ennis speaks to Lureen, and we see the flashback of Jack being beaten – the thought occurred to me that perhaps Lureen (or her father) had been involved in Jack’s death after finding out about his affair with Jack’s Texan male beau. When Lureen tells the “tyre” story, there’s this sense that she’s practiced this story over and over again – too proud to speak of her gay husband.

Anyway, I really loved this movie – I loved that it was allowed the length to tell all of Proulx’s story. The one thing missing for me was at the end of the short story, Jack dreams of Ennis, and feels his presence. I would have liked to see that acknowledged in broader strokes than just the shirt and postcard.
 
 
This Sunday
21:22 / 08.04.06
Having realized this was still sitting atop the television and not already gone back to the rental shop, I watched it again. Watching it alone, this time,I noticed that - while I liked it before, now - I really didn't have any difficulties getting into it.

I liked the mirroring business between scenes. I liked that it was sudden and almost sexless in its treatemnt of sex, making this majorly-funded American onscreen yaoi, with no concern for real men or the mechanics of real sex. And, I'm quite sure the misogyny was entirely intentional.

The 'I've been seeing other people... and they're Mexican... and paid!' business was suitably silly and cartooned, as too, the bloody shirt. Yay for silly and cartooned romance!

And, as always, it left me waiting for the great oak and lightning epic Ang Lee was born to craft: 'Wood & Sky'!

Would have been nice to see 'Mysterious Skin' or hell, even 'Boondock Saints' get a push like this, though. Just to throw folks. I think the hype killed this one, and it's going to hit a major drop in respectability and significance that will take some time to dig its way out of.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
00:36 / 09.04.06
Augury, great review. Know what you mean about wanting to know more and see more about specific bits. Myself, I think that's Ang Lee's genius here though, that he whets our appetites and leaves us wanting that extra stuff. Analogous to Ennis and Jack's mutual and never fulfilled desires. True to Proulx's original story. Can't wait for the dvd release here in the UK later in the month.
 
 
Augury
04:59 / 09.04.06
Xoc - yeah, i can't wait for the dvd release either. I think it's on the "Must buy" list for myself. I'm hoping the dvd will have decent extras, perhaps a few deleted scenes.
 
 
Lama glama
22:38 / 13.06.06
I'm assuming that several Barbelith posters have bought the (irritatingly extras-lite) DVD by now. Still affected by it?
Coming back to watch it for the first time in an atmosphere that isn't as intense as a cinema filled with several sobbing people (including myself) I find that I'm able to look at the movie in a much more objective manner.

Crucially, my reading of Lureen's final scene has changed entirely. In the cinema I was swept away by the rush of emotions that I was feeling at the time and possibly unable to view the performance as objectively as I would normally have liked. In the cold light of DVD, I see that it's obvious that Lureen is reciting a piece that she has memorised to Ennis.

Anybody aware of a special edition Brokeback Mountain on its way, preferably with director's commentary?
 
 
Smoothly
09:01 / 14.06.06
The poster for the DVD release surprised me a little, given that I don’t think it’s generally been perceived as a film for gay people.



Am I reading too much into ‘Proudly’?
 
 
Ganesh
10:44 / 14.06.06
No, I don't think you are. I suspect it's recognised that, while a lot of people (especially in the US) will shy away from seeing it at the cinema because of the "gay cowboys" tag, those same individuals may well be drawn to it for the same reason, if they're able to watch it in the privacy of their own homes.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
11:29 / 14.06.06
Yeah, a lot of US people online have said it wasn't showing anywhere near them or, if it were, they couldn't face or couldn't be seen going into the showing, for fear of comeback.

So, to Proudly Buy It Secretly On Amazon must be an easier option, all ways round. If you have to hide your gay neon pink light under a bushel for the rest of your life, that is. As some do.

I enjoyed watching the film again. Very different experience at the third time of watching, first not in a cinema. I found I got angrier with what Ennis represented and saw more in Jake Gyllenhaal's performance than previously. Still ached for Ennis and for Ma Twist in that beautiful scene in Lightning Flats. Still wept like a camel at the end.

Crap extras however. Director's cut would be good but I suspect that what went into cinemas was pretty much that. I'd have liked a commentary or two instead of the fairly fluffy promo shorts.
 
 
Smoothly
11:43 / 14.06.06
Ahh, I expected that the audience most resistant to seeing Brokeback at the cinema would have been straight men anxious about being perceived otherwise. So while that group might have been more inclined to buy the DVD privately than queue at the cinema publicly, I’d have thought that explicitly associating the purchase of the DVD with a show of ‘pride’ would just confirm the anxieties of that section of the market.
 
 
Ganesh
14:52 / 14.06.06
It's easy enough to buy DVD anonymously, so "proudly" is, I think, unlikely to deter anyone who wouldn't be deterred by what they've heard about the film's content. I suspect the at-least-bi-curious-albeit-unconsciously market is more lucrative still.
 
 
Smoothly
15:21 / 14.06.06
So putting ‘Proudly’ in the poster lets unconsciously-bi-curious men know that there’s some hott boy-on-boy action in Brokeback Mountain?
 
 
Ganesh
15:24 / 14.06.06
Dunno that I'd go that far, no. I suspect pretty much everyone already knows it's "that gay cowboy flick". I think the "proudly" is probably vague and ambiguous enough to mean little either way.
 
 
Aertho
15:53 / 14.06.06
I thought "proudly" meant ownership leant itself to the generation of a smug cloud. Could be wrong...
 
  

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