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The Bad Student

 
  

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Spaniel
23:25 / 22.11.05
I've always been pretty awful.

Throughout my school career I got away with being naturally bright, it was only when I got to university when the shit really shit the fan and I realised that I wasn't one of the best and smartiest any more, and that many of my colleagues were not only brainy, they were brainer than me and prepared to work much harder than I ever had. On top of that, the environment I was in actually rewarded hard work and intellectual aptitude, something my school and college career really hadn't prepared me for. Suddenly it wasn't quite so cool to be a slacker (not that I was a slacker because it was cool, you understand. I was just lazy).

To cut a long story short, I wish I worked harder at uni. Sure, I can study now, but it's harder when you're removed from a hardcore educational context.
 
 
Smoothly
23:51 / 22.11.05
I cringe to think back at what kind of student I was. I was just inexcusably lazy and utterly careless of the opportunities I had. When I think of the efforts my tutors made to bring me into the fold, and how comprehensively I blew them off... I don't think I'm more ashamed of anything.

These things are relative though, and my partner-in-slack was even worse than I was. I don't think he set foot on campus once during our second year, so by attending the odd tutorial and at least some of my exams, I remember feeling relatively conscientious.

I did manage to stay the course though, which is inexplicable looking back. I think they must have just forgotten about me.

And just to be clear, I wasn't one of these urban-mythical students who did no work but breezed every assignment regardless. On one paper I achieved a mark of -15% (5% was knocked off for every day an assignment was late, and I didn't turn mine in for a week or so past the deadline). I kept that essay because at the time I thought it was funny. Now it's just an embarrassing reminder of what an frivolous, insulting prick I was.
 
 
Shrug
00:00 / 23.11.05
Having returned to college recently after around a 4year hiatus I find it very hard to be attentive. In the past few years my job hasn't involved any massive amount of study or listening to people {although a large part of my job was customer services }. This all tends to leave me very inattentive and restless for lectures. I normally have to sketch something on my page, while taking notes, while listening to the lecturer, while texting somebody in an effort to simulate multi-tasking and keep myself from almost literal paroxysms of boredom.
I have to hold back from shouting things like: Bullet-points! Mail me! Hold Please! Come on this needs to be done TODAY! at the lecture. I wish it was all slightly more efficient and condensed.
So as regards class pretty fucking terrible really.

I'm not too awful at the studying/researching as I'm quite interested in the chosen course. Although from time to time I take great solace in photocopying as a type of false friend to actual studying if I'm feeling fried.

For essays and the like I have to spend weeks upon weeks assessing the material and sleeping on it before I begin to type. Usually I also have to let TEH FEAR descend before I type anything or it usually won't be any good.
So not exactly procrastinatory but far from a model student.
 
 
Spaniel
00:05 / 23.11.05
My university was full of people that praised intellectual laziness and stupidity, despite the fact that we were at a university with a strong academic record.
 
 
Spaniel
00:05 / 23.11.05
Smoothly, I feel awful in all the same ways.
 
 
Smoothly
00:10 / 23.11.05
My university was full of people that praised intellectual laziness and stupidity

What, faculty people? Clearly I missed a synergy by not attending the university you did, boss.

You know, I think I knew I'd feel like this later in life. I just don't think I realised how much. Shame was strangely unreal to me in my youth.
 
 
Spaniel
00:19 / 23.11.05
Sussex University.

It really was a strange mix, full of smart students that should have known better than to idly slag off intellectual thought 'cause it was boring and, you know, absurdly abstract. - and students that revelled in thinking hard .

The sad thing is, it is my experience that anti-intellectualism is very, very popular in England.
 
 
Aertho
00:41 / 23.11.05
Waitaminit. Most English people hate the smart English people? What then do most English people think of most Americans? Or is it a sliding scale?
 
 
Spaniel
00:44 / 23.11.05
Well, a lot of English people don't think very highly of Americans, but then a lot of people are very unfair.
 
 
Spaniel
00:45 / 23.11.05
Boboss is making all kinds of generalisations this evening.
 
 
Ganesh
00:47 / 23.11.05
Scottish people think you're all fucking generalising numptees.
 
 
Spaniel
00:53 / 23.11.05
But then Scottish people love to generalise.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
00:54 / 23.11.05
I'm quite well behaved so far. I go to everything because it's nice and interesting. I dunno. The only bad thing I did was bite a donut a bit hard and it splashed on a lady
 
 
Ganesh
00:55 / 23.11.05
Is that what they're calling it these days?
 
 
Spaniel
01:02 / 23.11.05
Lol.
 
 
Spaniel
01:03 / 23.11.05
Ganshy, what kind of student were you?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
01:32 / 23.11.05
Yeah, did you have a big trunk for all your books?
 
 
Spaniel
01:39 / 23.11.05
Maybe, maybe not, but I bet he was All EARS during lectures
 
 
Ganesh
01:40 / 23.11.05
What kind of student was I? Welllll, I think I've avoided posting here thus far because reminiscing makes me cringe slightly. I know it's virtually impossible to believe, but I wasn't always the effortlessly urbane confection you see before you on Barbelith.

*cough*

Erm, no. I managed to combine laziness, anxiety and 'squareness' into one unappealling package. I made the classic Scottish mistake of applying to the local university, on the grounds that living at home would be a fabulous idea in terms of saving money and preserving creature comforts. It kind of was, but it quickly became obvious that living a bus ride away from the city where I went to Uni left me high and dry when it came to the whole social aspect of things. I made a half-hearted attempt to go along to various events in fresher's week, but soon realised that, in continuing to live at home, I'd shot myself in the foot. Well can I remember the night I reenacted How Soon Is Now (with the additional indignity of a long, sick-drunk bus journey home before I could settle down to cry and want to die).

Luckily, I'd entered the local bursary competition and won an award which entitled me to a place in halls of residence, even if I lived within the catchment area. In second year, following a somewhat inevitable row with my mother, I did the teenage storming out thing, applied for a place and promptly moved into student accommodation. Much better, but I was always conscious of having missed out on the crucial social bonding thing of the first year. Always felt I was playing catch-up.

Medicine's a bit different from other courses, in that it's five years long, increasingly intensive and increasingly insular. Where I went to Uni, medics were geographically separate from other students from third year onwards, and it was much harder to do the traditional bunking off thing. I still managed to spend entire 24-hour blocks in bed, missing dissection, lectures, on-the-ward time, etc., but was probably relatively conscientious in the grand scheme of things.

Throughout my training, I always felt a bit of a fraud, partly because I'd drifted into medicine and was surrounded by people who (claimed they) had wanted to be doctors since they were zygotes. I always felt I'd weaselled my way onto the wrong course, and was taking up a space meant for someone more deserving, someone who really wanted to be a doctor. Every year, every exam, I though, "now's when they'll find me out; I'll fail the year and bugger off and do something else". I failed individual subjects here and there, but I never failed a year - and, as the course went on, what started as 'I'll see if I like it' became 'fucking hell, I'm going to be a doctor'. In my fourth year, I discovered Psychiatry and, for the first time thought that, just maybe, I'd manage to pull this off.

The other reason I felt a fraud, I think, is that I'd had almost no sexual experience before Uni. If Medicine had been a less... heteronormative subject, or maybe if my Uni had been more metropolitan, I might have used those five years more profitably in terms of sexual experimentation. I did have sex, but not really enough to confirm or refute my barely-acknowledged fears of poovery. I spent a lot more time angsting about not having met The Right Woman, and so on. To my regret, I managed to pass the entirety of my medical training in the closet. In my defence, only one brave soul in my medical year did otherwise, and he was horribly ostracised. I've subsequently discovered that a good half-dozen of us were secretly gay.

So... I didn't really make the most of my student days, for various reasons. I always felt I was catching up, that the party had moved on elsewhere and I'd missed the fun stuff. In retrospect, I spent far, far too much of the five years worrying. I should've relaxed, got pissed more, got out of my face, and had more sex. It wasn't until I became a junior doctor, really, that I began to do that stuff in earnest.

I did discover I liked dancing, though. That was good.
 
 
Trijhaos
02:19 / 23.11.05
I was probably a pretty bad student. In high school, I was able to breeze through the classes. Never took notes, didn't do any homework at home because I'd do it the 10 minutes we had before class began, and spent at the most 30 minutes on whatever essay I had to write that week. I'm sure my approach to schoolwork wasn't exactly the best, but hey, it worked. I ended up graduating in the top 10% of my class.

College on the other hand was horrible. I finally ended up meeting my nemesis; reality. Reality reared its ugly head my first semester. I ended up failing two classes because I thought my high school approach would work here. Go to class, put minimal effort into the homework and breeze through the test. Oh god, I couldn't have been any more wrong. Of course, even after getting real friendly with reality, I still used my high school approach. Silly me. Of course, then there's the fact I never asked my professors or peers for help, and never really bothered with the whole social aspect of college, so sadly enough, I couldn't blame my bad grades on drugs, alcohol, and loose women.

Due to certain decisions I made, I've basically taken the last year off from school. I got readmitted so I'll be going back in January, and I'll actually try a different approach to school. Namely, I'll actually study and aske for help. So hopefully, if all goes well, next time this question gets asked and it will, I'll be able to say I was a good student after I got through the rough patch. Of course, this time I plan on getting involved in the more social aspects, so if I get bad grades again, I'll just blame it on drugs, alcohol, and loose women.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
07:46 / 23.11.05
I'm a relatively bad student but, unfortunately, it works for me. I did the same breezing-through-high-school thing- probably to a lesser extent than some people here, because I've always cared about learning the material and doing well, and I've always had a lot of pressure on me to get good grades. I never really had to work very hard, though, to the point where one of my teachers in high school took me aside and gave me the 'you're doing well in this class and you're going to get an A but you're really not trying and I worry that you're going to run into a situation where that's not going to work.' Well, hasn't happened yet. When I was applying to colleges I aimed simultaneously too high and too low, so I didn't get into my first choices but the schools I did get into weren't spectacular. The university I ended up attending is cursed by a lot of lazy rich kids so there's an attitude of general apathy and 'omg I can't believe he gave us an essay, I have something else due that day'-ness which doesn't help me.

Anyhow, I generally fly by the seat of my pants- I write lots of essays (English major) and, frankly, the essay I'm working on now is the first one in memory that I didn't write the day/night before it was due. In general I spend the couple days leading up to actually writing something freaking out and making time to work where I end up staring at a computer screen and dicking around online, or taking long study breaks when I haven't done any actual studying. I'm also terrible at research- I'm interested in what I'm doing but I always get distracted by random avenues of inquiry that aren't relevent to what I'm doing. I still manage to do very well on essays- it could be that I'm not giving myself enough credit, it could be that actually knowing how to write goes farther than I think. It doesn't help that I'm heavily involved in a club sport (it, basically, is my social life) which involves a lot of travelling on weekends, so there's a great deal of getting back on Sunday night at 9 and starting homework then.

The only class I've ever actively slagged off was a math class last spring that I had to take as a core requirement. The first half of it was a rehash of high school calculus so I got in the habit of not going to class. I also didn't buy the book because it cost around $100 and I had already bought and sold it for a previous class (what I had thought would be my only math class). I, er, didn't do too well in that class. Right about the halfway mark it started doing stuff I didn't already know, and I was pretty much screwed, because I continued not to go to class. I also don't take notes.

Anyway, I'm gonna have to start applying myself a bit more because I a)just declared a second major and b) am doing a thesis which requires me to maintain a certain GPA, which I'm hovering just above right now. I don't think it's gonna be a problem, but I am going to have to learn to budget my time, which I currently suck at.
 
 
Loomis
09:05 / 23.11.05
*whips knuckles with a ruler*

You're all slackers!

I feel all boring and responsible compared to you lot, but I've always been a good student. I got by without studying up to the last few years of high school but from then on I did my homework and whatever was required and did well. I could've continued to get by without studying but I didn't want to just pass. Besides, even though some classes were boring, I've always liked to learn new things. And hell, I was good at it, so why wouldn't I enjoy it? I rebelled in other ways and had numerous personality clashes and arguments with a few particular teachers who kicked me out of many a class, but I always did my work.

At uni I was pretty much the same, and in fact I'm stunned that so many people are so slack at uni. Unless you're doing some course you hate because of family pressure or something, why are you there? I was doing a degree in English and Philosophy because I enjoyed it, so why wouldn't I want to read the books and go to the classes? And in Arts degrees you only have a fraction of the class hours of some other degrees so there's plenty of time for boozing it up in the student union, which I also did plenty of. For most of my undergraduate life, my last class was on Thursday afternoon and then it was time to booze all weekend. But I never handed anything in late or had problems with time management. Honestly, it's not hard! I liked spending time in the library digging out old books and sitting at the rickety old desks making notes.

During my PhD (which was 100% research with no classes) I lived a semi-nocturnal life and enjoyed myself going out when I wanted and getting up whenever it suited me. But I still did a regular number of hours a week of study and handed in my thesis on time. When you get paid to spend three years studying your favourite writer, why wouldn't you enjoy doing it? So many people I met during those years were in their fifth-sixth year of their thesis and fucking about and I just couldn't understand it. I was actually ready to hand my thesis in at the end of the nominal three years but the dept talked me into taking a six month (paid) extension. I said I didn't need it and they said "Take it! That's what everyone does!"

Now (coincidentally enough) I find myself working in admin at a university and I'm astonished on a daily basis by how slack some of the students are. They only need 40% to pass and half of them can't manage that and expect to have their 30% be accepted so they can continue on their course. And they complain about having three assignments due in one week even though they were given all the questions three months in advance.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just boring. I suppose I'm one of those organised type of people. Some more good students please reply to this thread!
 
 
Cat Chant
09:17 / 23.11.05
I rebelled in other ways and had numerous personality clashes and arguments with a few particular teachers who kicked me out of many a class, but I always did my work...Some more good students please reply to this thread!

Oh, God, way more boring than you. I never bunked off school a day in my life after I was seven. I never got in trouble (well, once, in Year 7, for having a ruler-sword fight on the desks in break), let alone got kicked out of a class. I was Head Girl at one of the secondary schools I went to. I missed exactly one tutorial in four years at university.

That's just to reassure you, Loomis - I'll try and respond to this thread in a thinkier way later, because the responses so far have been interesting.
 
 
Loomis
09:22 / 23.11.05
Thanks Deva. For a minute there I was getting tempted to steal my own lunch money and flush my head in the toilet.
 
 
Ganesh
09:28 / 23.11.05
I'm just waiting for one or other of you to explain that, when we skip a lecture, we're only cheating ourselves.
 
 
Loomis
09:33 / 23.11.05
Ganesh, you just reminded me of the best joke evah:

What did the inflatable principal say to the inflatable student in the inflatable school?

You've let yourself down, you've let me down, and you've let the school down.
 
 
Lurid Archive
10:02 / 23.11.05
Reading this more or less confirms my opinion that lots of people would be better off delaying uni for a good few years.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:05 / 23.11.05
Exactly what I was thinking. Psi-lock of this parish and I were discussing teaching and he mentioned that he found teaching mature students much more rewarding than young 'uns, precisely because they are keener, better prepared, work harder, etc.

I know that now I am a mature student I appreciate the opportunities I get a great deal more than I did even when I was an undergrad (when I was passable but not brilliant in terms of taking responsibility, doing my work etc.), let alone when I was at school (when I was ghastly and arrogant).
 
 
Ganesh
10:06 / 23.11.05
I think that's probably very true, Lurid.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:07 / 23.11.05
And as an addendum to that, as a result the mature students got more out of the course...
 
 
Axolotl
10:16 / 23.11.05
I was a terrible student. At school the teachers were too busy trying to cope with the more troublesome students to pay any attention to me, so I just slid along, never really trying, getting respectable grades anyway, but not what I was capable of. This gave me an unwarranted confidence in my intellectual capabilities, and by the sixth form I was still doing no work, convinced that I didn't need to due to my ginormous brane. This worldview was slightly rocked by my A-level results, but still continued through my university career. Still didn't have any real problems, though all my essays were done last minute, but then the wheels fell off my world for other reasons (not that the associated stress of pulling all nighters helped) and I dropped out with that curious scottish institution, the ordinary degree.
Still I regret it hugely, and if I dwell on it it has the potential to really, really upset me *curls into fetal ball under desk of bad job*.
 
 
Smoothly
10:24 / 23.11.05
I totally agree with Lurid and Kat (and to think how we mocked the eager mature students from the back of the class – I could weep).

Not only do I think people would get more out of university it they went later, I think they should probably do at least a year of work first. I’m now acclimatised to the idea that I just have to get up at 9 o’clock and spend about 8 hours at work, and that doesn’t even bother me much. That still leaves me plenty of time for socialising (I’m more sociable now than I was as a student, in fact), vegging out, sleeping, doing other things.

If I’d applied even a semblance of my current routine to my university career, I reckon I could have actually achieved something there and enjoyed it a lot more to boot. Being such an indolent waster actually made me pretty miserable.
 
 
Axolotl
10:37 / 23.11.05
Good points Smoothly, and ones I completely agree with.
 
 
lord henry strikes back
10:55 / 23.11.05
I didn't really do much school work at secondary school, but I wasn't a slacker. I was a prefect, a librarian, in the orchestra, and on both the badminton and squash teams. I was quite bright (not that I'm not now of course), so the lack of work wasn't a big problem, and all these activities meant that teachers liked me a would leave me alone. The same could not be said for my fellow pupils, god was I unpopular. All my own fault of course, I was a stuck-up little teacher's pet.

Anyway, I deliberately went to a college where the only person who knew me was a another saddo from several of the above groups. I dropped all of the activities and got myself a girlfriend, a taste for booze, and a 20-a-day habit. This is when I became a slacker.

My A-level results should have been a bit more of a wake up than they were (I didn't get my first choice). My first crack at uni was 4 months of sex (I'd just lost the girlfriend) and alcohol. My co-slacker and I once managed to go a full 2 weeks without seeing the sun. Obviously this couldn't last and I was forced to pull out and return to living with my parents.

After spending the rest of that year temping I got into a new uni and a new subject (moving from the sciences to the arts). I can't say that I worked that hard but I pulled myself together enough to get a decent degree. Meeting doozy floop on the first year really helped.

I've just returned to studying (night classes) and things are totally different. I'm going to every lecture and meeting that I can make (occationally work gets in the way) and I'm doing pretty much all of the reading. I think the past two years of doing a job that I know is a massive waste of my time has focused me a bit. It's only been a couple of months but the few grades that I have gotten back are the best in my life, and I feel really good (if a bit tired) about what I'm doing. So go me.

Oh, and I've just been offered a new job!
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:16 / 23.11.05
This is fascinating stuff. And Lurid, I totally agree, wrt the UK system, anyway. Getting 1q
 
  

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