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Quantum
16:50 / 28.09.05
Lord Morque Is this you?
Yellow skin
Brown hair worn in a pony-tail
Fat and constantly eating
Waddles when walking
Highly sarcastic attitude
Owns the Android's Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop
45 years Old
Virgin
Lives with parents
I.Q. of 170
Has prescription pants

No! No, freakin' kids. I do not need this, I've got a masters degree in folklore mythology.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
17:32 / 28.09.05
This is where I step in and say I liked John Ostranders Martian Manhunter. It wasn't perfect but it was worth buying it just for the Giffen era flashback.

There was an odd month a while back when Ostrander was writing the secret history of the J.L.A. miniseries where you had Ostrander writing the J.L.I. in that and Giffen writing The Suicide Squad which felt very much like the result of various writers meeting, throwing their keys into a fruit bowl and having fun with whatever they pulled out.
 
 
Quantum
18:26 / 28.09.05
I liked John Ostranders Martian Manhunter

That's great, but not really a shining example of bad writing. Perhaps you'd like to start a thread entitled 'Comics you liked' or something similar? This is a thread for the vitriolic criticism of shite writing in comics, as I thought the title, summary and posts indicated.
 
 
matsya
21:53 / 28.09.05
Okay, examples of Ostrander's crapness.

This is taken from the third installment of the four-parter where J'onn J'onnz's evil twin brother "Ma'alefak" (dear god no lie), - who has been previously revealed to have been the evil scientist who destroyed Mars by inventing a plague that made everyone explode into fire (this idea used to retcon the simpler and less melodramatic and somehow more satisfying idea put forward in an earlier miniseries that the plague simply happened and was, you know, an actual plague like a normal disease that illustrated perhaps the capricious hand of fate and by association the kind of mental and emotional strength and bravery required to survive in a cruel and indifferent universe, and NOT the brainchild of the only evil martian on mars who also happens to be our hero's twin and a handy person to PUNCH OUT when you want REVENGE) - uses his shape-changing superpowers to impersonate J'onn and make his friends in the Justice League think he's actually a bad-guy, which of course they do immediately (I mean forget the fact that they're fellow soldiers and old old friends and would probably want to investigate any allegations of misconduct with more than just "I know what I saw! You must pay for your actions") and now it's *gasp* Leaguer against Leaguer as our hero tries not only to prove his innocence, but to defend his friends and himself from his evil twin brother.

I mean, that's class. Evil twin brothers. The old "mistaken identity" gag. Superheroes fighting EACH OTHER! Genius!

Anyway, here's some choice dialogue:

---

Okay, so Jo'nn is about to let wonder woman tie him up with her magic lasso so that they can find out if he's telling the truth about not beating up everyone (cos it was ma'lefak, not him), and his brother is in the room all invisible like a martian, and here we go:

MA'ALEFAK (thinking): Oh no no no no! That will NEVER do! If I make myself IMMATERIAL and PHASE MYSELF over J'onzz's body...

MA'ALEFAK (thinking): ...and use my heat beams, I can kill the female before their very eyes and they will believe Jonzz himself did it!

WONDER WOMAN: J'onn! Your eyes!

(Then someone jumps in and pushes Wonder Woman out of the way and a big old fight starts)

J'ONN: NO!

J'ONN (whispering): This is not my doing.

SUPERMAN: J'onn! What do you think you're doing? You could have KILLED her!

(more bad-guy-invisible-mistaken-identity fighting)

STEEL: Watch out!He's going crazy with his Martian vision! --UHHN!

PLASTIC MAN: Yow! That's gotta HURT!

---

Geeeeeeenius....
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:34 / 29.09.05
Actually, Chris Claremont is, IIRC, ripping off himself here - specifically the bit in Excalibur 50 where the team have to unite their characteristics

I think the first time he did this was WAY back in X-Men 108 where he compared the X-Men to Tipareth, and the fixed the M'Karran crystal.

Of course, he'd only been writing the comic for 12 issues at that point.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:05 / 29.09.05
Incidentially, Alan Davis wrote _Excalibur_ #50; it wasn't bad, relatively speaking, and tied up all the random plot threads Claremont started.

Bad writing? Joe Kelly's _Steampunk_ comic, with Bachalo art. I like the art a fair amount, but the actual script, dialogue, and plotting is AWFUL.
 
 
electric monk
02:05 / 29.09.05
Apologies, Quantam. As requested:

Seventeen minutes ago...

LARRY: This is not good! These cells weren't broken open...

Someone opened them--let the prisoners out!

CLIFF: Looks like we may have company, people! Rita...

RITA: Way ahead of you, Cliff.

CLIFF: Good girl! Now see if you can keep your pet freak in control until we know what's going on, flyboy...

LARRY: Easier said than done, pal! I can only...

CLIFF: Listen...

CLIFF: Something definitely going on in the main control center.

My audio detectors are picking up...moaning?


It's like watching dogshit dry.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
02:13 / 29.09.05
Well, since everyone already mentioned the usual suspects, I am going to go with Supermen of America #1 one-shot, which should not be confused with Supermen of America #1 of their own miniseries, which is bad in different ways.

To begin with, the comic had several different artists working on it, so the art changed every two or three pages. This would have been much of a problem if the artists had decided beforehand how to draw Lex Luthor. Les Luthor is old and fat in one page, just to get young and slim in the next, and then goes back to old and fat again in the next page. It was like watching Oprah.

OK, so that's an art problem, not a writing problem.

This issue deserves a prize for presenting the most useless hero ever put in a comic. There was one kid called Psilence - with that name alone, he deserves to get a kick in the nuts from Superman, and the Pre Crisis one at that. Psilence had the power to predicts the future, except that he never did. In his last mission, he died when a soldier shot him down. Psilence predicted that the soldier was going to shoot somebody else, but that person moved, so the solider shot him instead. Wow, Psilence, so you can predict the future, except that thing don't go like you predict them? I got that power too; it is called guessing. Moron.

By the way, Psilence getting killed by gunfire was the second time the Supermen of America's leader failed to stop someone from eating lead in the same issue. Supermen of America, you are teh suck.

The leader is called Outburst, and he has the power to control magnetism. No, I have no clue why the hell he is called Outburst.
 
 
matsya
04:03 / 29.09.05
Is he prone to yelling things spontaneously?
 
 
Lord Morgue
04:18 / 29.09.05
No, it's gotta be the Adjectiveless Spider-man! By Todd McFarlane!
His webs! Advantageous!
Todd's writing skills! Nonexistant!
Every panel choking with unnecessary narration, somehow overwritten and underwritten at the same time, by a semiliterate überkind who has just discovered both editorial power and cocaine.
Fortunately, I had my gun.
 
 
Lord Morgue
04:35 / 29.09.05
And Quantum, apart from the ponytail, I'm more ursine, and liable to throw people.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:29 / 29.09.05
God, yes, Steampunk. I am fond of Bachalo since he reached his peak on Shade, and thought the title suggested some Difference Engine, China Mieville style weird-magic-and-Victorian-tech. Like a fool I ordered it unseen from Amazon on that basis, when a five-second skim in a proper shop would have kept me well clear.

I will have to dig the tpb out later, but as I recall my best attempts to enjoy this comic were speared on every page by the horrific attempt to give the protagonist an "accent": Scottish, or Irish, or fuck knows what, generic "British"? Dialogue to follow. Plug your ears.
 
 
Quantum
08:54 / 29.09.05
Ostrander's crapness my my, that is indeed pure, pure shite. (I'll just become immaterial and phase over Jonnzy?) I'm all for the occasional classic 'evil twin' storyline but that's just tripe.
Excellent! The stakes are rising! Shadowhawk is still in the lead, closely pursued by Martian Manhunter, with Doom Patrol#1 bringing up third! If we get an example of McFarlane's Spidey that could easily get into the front running (although Shadowhawk is looking hard to beat...)

More! More shit writing! I can take it! *pile on the density Marvel Girl! Every atom counts! We want a controlled dimensional breach!*
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:22 / 29.09.05
Just because it's overshadowed by the colossal tower of shit that is John Byrne's Doom Patrol, and John Byrne in general, leave us not forget Rachael Pollack's post-George run of D.P., and the gaping, George-shaped hole she failed to fill. If Byrne is the Anti-George, she is the Un-George, the void of all that is not George.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
12:31 / 29.09.05
Is he prone to yelling things spontaneously?

Sadly, no. He just has a stupid name.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
12:34 / 29.09.05
leave us not forget Rachael Pollack's post-George run of D.P.

Come on! It wasn't thaaaaat bad.

Sure, two out of every three stories somehow had something to do with Dorothy's menstruation, and that stupid Doll Dorothy carried around was so spooky it could make Navy Seals cry.

But she wrote that issue where the Doom Patrol fought the Codpiece, so it balances out.
 
 
Quantum
12:54 / 29.09.05
I have to admit Pollacks writing on the Tarot is incredible, she penned the Tarot Bible '78 degrees of wisdom' and I am a huge fan of hers, I love her dearly but...

her Doom Patrol run was shit. Sorry, Rachael.
 
 
doctorbeck
15:13 / 29.09.05
last 8 or so copies of GMs new x-men, just the writer running out of giving a toss and, well 'it was magneto, controlled by sentient lichen' i ask you, and so much of the action taking place 'off panel' they may as well have sold you a blank book and invited you to write it yourself

made all the more terrible by coming after some really decent x-stories

also the kingdon has clunky dialogue to die for and is impossible to care about despite seeing itself as some sort of event comic
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:24 / 29.09.05
Batman: Year Two. Bought in a fever of expectance, following purchases of Year One and DKR yadda yadda... But really. Could this be any worse? Even as a thirteen year old I could detect the whiff of PURE SHITE.
Okay, so let me get this straight. Batman is not the first caped vigilante in Gotham. Oh no. Who could forget The Reaper, a red-leather clad guy, with a skull mask, scythes, and fucking MACHINE GUNS on his hands. Who predates Batman. And this, for the hard of hearing, is YEAR FUCKING TWO of Batman's career.
But perhaps I'm being too hard on it. After all it contains the classic Should I use....A GUN debate. Always an interesting quandry. Plus Bruce Wayne caught up in a LOVE THAT CAN NEVER BE! And Todd McFarlane's grotesque renderings.
The whole thing's as subtle as sack of bricks in the face, and Mike W Barr ( the 'writer') even crowbars in some bullshit about Joe Chill, just to really shit in the pie. Horrid horrid codswallop.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:41 / 29.09.05
cover your EARS, mortals... for the excrement men called... STEAMPUNK.

I barely remember anything about the story or characters of this book, though I read it less than a year ago: so I will have to just pick choice wordturds out of context. I realise now it was partly written by Chris Bachalo, who really should never have stopped doing what he was good at (drawing Shade's coat) and branched out into scripting. See also Dave Gibbons.

The story opens with these captions:

"Ye don' walk with a giant an' f'rget it soon, no sir! Word 'as it 'e was conjured up by ol' wizards on the edge of Necropolis, a monster t'free us underdwellers from Lord Absinthe an' 'is rule... But I got's the story true. Man's name is 'is trade - Cole Blaquesmith. Brother of the steel who traded his own arm f'r a hammer, an' 'is heart for a forge... Cole trained 'is own body t'be the weapon that would bring down Lord Absinthe."

Christ I'm in pain quoting those words and giving them a kind of life... it's shameful having them under my name. I don't think I've ever typed so many apostrophes in so short a time.

You don't know where to begin with it... you can't pick holes in something so ropey. The dialect, or accent, just doesn't come together into anything you can plausibly hear: saying it aloud, you'd keep stumbling. And the tale that stuttering voice is telling is, of course, hoary as an old potato... it's almost a parody of LOTR rip-offs. Lord Absinthe? I mean, isn't that like Lord Brandy, or Lord Jack Daniels? And Cole Blaquesmith... like being called Cod Fisherrmann, or Porn Newsaggente.

Some dialogue from a later page: I don't know what's going on because it's all close ups of some dude with metal wings and sound effects going "SSSPRRIIISHSSSH" across each panel, obscuring the art. Anyway, he's talking to someone.

"The MACHINE'S as much a part of ye as yer own GULLET or legs or SKIN. Sooner ye grasp the change an' OWN it... EASIER it gets. TRUST me. GODSPEED, Blaquesmith... we hope you find yer NOWHERE in short time. Miss ---?"

Now a pin-up of... I don't know, a poor man's Luther Arkwright? Union Flag scarf, leather bike jacket, bald noggin, rocket launcher strapped with grenades.

"You are a TOUGH cat to HOOK up with, Blaquesmith. But now that the BAND's back together... it's time to JAM. Get ready to dig some CRAZY beats kid."

And the font goes into some freaky red cartoon letters for this: "CRAZY."
 
 
This Sunday
20:32 / 29.09.05
Resisting the urge to defend Pollack's 'Doom Patrol' I'll throw in Ben Raab's 'Excalibur' which was in fact, not hardly written by him at all, but by editorial committee of marketing influences. Shit fake accents, shit fake emotions, shit fake plotting and badly constructed reveals, pacing, and all. Plus, the decimation of Pete Wisdom, the inanity of Nightmare and of the Big Russian Terminator's romanticky angst, the amazing Nightcrawler's tactical pathetic-ness, and Evil Bamfs that make no sense!
Naked Feron's revenge was fun, though.
 
 
The Falcon
00:05 / 30.09.05
Well, I think I may have mentioned this before, but X-Force #19 remains tattooed on my brain as the worst comic dialogue of ever. It was the epilogue to the X-Cutioner's Song event, an event I never did quite manage to read all 12 issues of, and Greg Capullo's debut on art, which wasn't so bad as I quite liked him, though he was not much later to turn into a horrible, horrible Todd McFarlane clone.

My favourite, and by 'favourite' I mean most hated, bit of dialogue which I'm quoting entirely from memory reaching back some twelve or so years is between Sunspot, a/k/a Roberto DaCosta and that black woman doctor Stevie something that used to hang around with the X-Men. Anyway, Bobby's sitting by the pond or something being all contemplative and Stevie comes up and says "It's cold, isn't it?"

He replies, "I don't feel it, my powers, blah blah" and then she's like "No, I meant what we're thinking, it's cold." I was 12-13, and I thought, 'oh my god, that is just such terrible shite.' It's supposedly dead emotional, like X books always were, but doesn't it make absolutely no sense on a dialogue or, indeed, signification level?

Also in this issue, Sam Guthrie, the Cannonball, lately the star of the excellent Cannonball vs. Nimrod, uses the power of metaphor to helpfully explain the difference between the X-Men and X-Force to Professor X; "the open hand and the closed fist", applicable directly to the former and latter. But, you see, Sam shows him that the closed fist can protect as well as attack, with some mouse he just found lying around (not closed your fist completely then, have you, Samuel?) and vice-versa with a slapping motion toward the prof, who at that point should have just wiped his entire brain.
 
 
electric monk
02:15 / 30.09.05
Batman: Year Two. Bought in a fever of expectance, following purchases of Year One and DKR yadda yadda... But really. Could this be any worse? Even as a thirteen year old I could detect the whiff of PURE SHITE.

STRONG TRUTH!
 
 
matthew.
02:37 / 30.09.05
there's this thor/warlock/silver surfer crossover during the early nineties called blood and thunder. essentially, thor goes crazy and its up to warlock, the infinity watch, thanos, beta ray bill, and the silver surfer to make him stop rampaging. most of the crossover is written by jim starlin and it is the worst piece of crap i've ever read. also, the art is stupendously awful, tom grindberg is his name. the darkest pencils ever.



check out silver surfer in the corner. yeesh. aweful.

and in the end of this sorry tale, it's thor's daddy odin that takes him down. oy vey. so the heroes went twenty issues just so odin could step in. boring. jim starlin, i know you can do better....

for another example of awful art (even though this thread is for writers) check out the same guy doing a close up of thor and drax the ignoramus/destroyer


since when are fists made out of rock? (other than hellboy) and what's the fucking deal with thor's eyes? is he a football player? yeesh.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
03:16 / 30.09.05
That's the Silver Surfer? Looks more like Brainiac's pet Proty.

 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:22 / 30.09.05
JLA: Another Nail. I know, I know, but I love the Alan Davis pretty pictures. Everything else? Ha? Never have I seen something so badly plotted that you have absolutely no idea what's going on, all these little moments that don't add up to much ... actually, it's like a very densely compressed Infinite Crisis, what with the random magical issues that have nothing to do with New Gods stuff going on, or the human level things that don't add up and oh, wait, it all for some reason tied up into a giant interdimensional amoeba? I liked the first mini well enough, there was a better sense that it was building to something logical, where's this one was just utter crap.

And of course, dialogue! After a while you start to wonder if people all fall into categories of "Those Who Do Not Use Contractions, who speak with Epic Tones" and, ah, people like Barry Allen: "What do you reckon, executive makeover or is she after a guy?"

Hal Jordan actually refers to Superman seeing his parents get "roasted." Green Lantern is such a dick.

Butbutbut, Davis sure do drawer a perty Hawkwoman...yar...
 
 
Krug
07:02 / 30.09.05
I love you 'lithers but please contribute with actual writing from the comic when you bring up a shitty comic.

So far I have to say it's a tie between Shadowhawk and Batman NML Mr Freeze Story (Who wrote that anyway?).

More Please!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:22 / 30.09.05
Oh God, Falconer, I had forgotten "the open hand and the closed fist". Any time X-Force and the X-Men met there was a lot of pained metaphorical arguing about the difference between the two - "Professor X has lit a candle, but Cable prefers to curse the darkness!" - even though I find it very, very hard to think of anything they did different except that Cable had a lot of guns and would sometimes lend them to the kids. But Bishop had guns in the X-Men! So it made no sense. X-Force were supposed to be more proactive and meaner, but they didn't kill people much if at all as I remember.
 
 
_Boboss
11:49 / 30.09.05
[Q – don’t know how many shadowhawks I have left, apart from the forementioned 1963 one which has mad curio value. Tellyer what, tomorrow morning I’ll brave the kfc-smelling, magic-the-gathering flogging saturday fatbeard guy* who pollutes the cheapo back issue bins backroom and see how many they’ve got. We’ll pub it at some point soon and I’ll hand over a guilty greasy package if you like.

*does anyone else ever see him? I really need to vent about that guy, new thread perhaps…]

Back in the world, (and I realize I’ve probably said much of this before) I don’t think this thread would be complete without an honourable mention for Mr. Alan Grant, in particular his eighties/nineties Batman run. (his judge dredd is awful too though, you can always spot which ones are his and not wagner’s – without looking at the credit bar obvs – his are the ones with the really lame one-note ‘parody’ of something that was in the UK tabloids two or three months prior to the issue coming out).
He’s a scot, y’know (apologies to falconer, toksik, yawn for reminding everyone of this), and does he love to tell us: somehow he got a rookie frank quietly to draw his book batman: the Hibernian years or something, where batman, sick of the taunts for wearing what is essentially an item of girl’s clothing (cape, cowl), goes to Scotland where such things is accepted, so long as the batcape is in the fetching wayne-clan tartan. Another of AG’s Batman Abroad stories involves him visiting London on guy fawkes night (memory quote): ‘when every kid worth his salt is out on the streets with a home-made effigy of guy fawkes, burning him in vengeance of the terrible crime he tried to commit in 1605’, and a panel of London street urchins burning guys and doing the guy fawkes rhyme that no real british children know more than the first few words of (unless they’ve read v for vendetta – see below). Thing is, as anyone who’s been outside on guy fawkes night since the nineteen fifties knows, kids don’t actually burn effigies of guy fawkes on nov 5th, unless a grown-up’s made the guy for them, and it’s all done in big organized displays, very different to the spontaneous street scene. By the early nineties when this story was supposedly set, kids celebrated bonfire night (and every night of the month beforehand) by chucking fireworks at passers-by and getting very drunk, just like they do today. Batman ends the story taking an arab (of course) bullet in the arm for six-hundred odd MPs, who, for some reason, are all in session at 10pm on bonfire night. Being protected by gunless, ineffectual bobbies saying ‘crikey’ and things.

The main thing with Mr. AG and the batman mythos is of course the villain Anarky. Do a google images search and give yourself a laugh. As we might be getting by now, like his namesakes moore and morrison, Mr. AG possibly fancies himself as a bit of an ideological soap-dodger, and his I believe most-treasured addition to bat-lore was this little charmer, basically V from v for vendetta if he was a mardy pint-sized teen with electrodes strapped to his head to make him smarmier and more anarchic, and not a gay/black/socialist vivisected guinea pig.

I like to happy myself by picturing the day AG tiptoed out of forbidden planet Glasgow with the trade of v for vendetta under his arm, all conspiratorial and chuffed with himself ‘I bet no-one cept me’s ever seen this comic before – I can lift from it at will and no-one will ever ever know! (villainous laughter)’

And that’s why I hate alan grant’s writing.

(I will mention scarface/the ventriloquist in his favour though – in my view the best new bat-baddie since ras al ghul)

xforce definitely did some killing btw - the morlock whose power was making people ugly, and most that shield team that the bridge guy sent against them spring to mind.
 
 
DaveBCooper
12:15 / 30.09.05
Was it Larry Hama who wrote the Batman NML story people were berating ?

And in Alan Grant’s semi-defence (not that he needs me to do so), I think the original story that introduced Anarky did feature a copy of V for Vendetta on a bookshelf in Anarky’s bedroom when Tim Drake goes to visit him. Sure, it could have been Norm Breyfogle who put it in, but it was pretty prominent.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:36 / 30.09.05
Can we talk about 1602 in this thread, or do many people still defend it?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:42 / 30.09.05
Gadzooks man! What could be bad about a retelling of the Marvel universe in an Elizabethan setting?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:50 / 30.09.05
Indeed sirrah! If a young boy may be said to be like unto a fly, then certainly I am a most fly-like boy. DO YOU SEE?!!1/?
 
 
Quantum
13:29 / 30.09.05
JLA: Another Nail shit yeah, although I wouldn't say it's a contender against Shadowhawk (gumbitch, you're on- I'll trade you a kilo of crap comix and we can bitch about that guy).

1602 Gods Wounds! What manner of drivel is this! Captain America a blonde Red Indian from the future? Fie upon that!
 
 
Sax
13:37 / 30.09.05
While doing as Gumbitch instructed and searching for pictures of Anarky on the web, I came across this from Norm Breyfogle's website:

Cancellation is irrelevant; it’s already too late to take it all back. The seed has been planted. Anarchic memes are steadily infecting the noosphere even as I write. Soon the increasingly transparent edifice of lies constituting conventional reality will collapse on the heads of its parasitical designers and a rationally moral utopia of free people and truly open markets will end war and transform us all into immortal gods! It’s only a matter of time now.

Anarky had the guts to believe this. Alan Grant had the guts to put it in writing. I had the great fortune to draw it. DC Comics actually published it.

Everything you know is wrong.
 
  

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