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matsya
09:58 / 04.10.05
Ah, yes, the grand dichotomy - terrifying if it happens to me, funny if it happens to you.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:37 / 04.10.05
My good friend Grant Morrison and I often discuss, in our regular and mammoth drinking sessions that have so far left several major cities on fire, the weird obsession that many comic book readers have with a weird obsession with bumming.

Not saying that any of our readers are weird, 'cept for Morrison's beardy bum-boys. Not that Grant's gay! Hell, no!. He and I have watched enough man-on-woman porn together to know that he is 100% flameproof hetero, just like me. I mean those in what I laughingly call the comics fraternity (no brother of mine would be THAT UGLY, shitbeard) who don't generally appreciate the subtle, adult themes that both my good friend Grant and I work into my comics. I mean our comics.

So, just to lay this to rest once and for all, here's the complete comics Brown Eye Code:

1) There's nothing inherently wrong with being gay. Not only have many of the characters I have written been gay (and their homosexuality has been sensitively treated and in no way used instead of character development), but some of my best friends have also been gay - hey, wouldn't you be if you had to be near me on a regular basis, eh? Makes "coming out to the pub tonight?" a bit of a loaded question, eh? Eh?

2) However, if you are gay, horrible things will happen to you. This is just comic books reflecting REALITY, which is what they should do. So, it could be a brutal bashing (and not just of the bishop, like on a _normal_ Friday!), or it could be some virulent form of futuristic AIDS. Or it could be that some other person - what we call in the trade a bad gay - will bumsex you against your will.

3) Note that, while good gays may also do bumsex, it is not the job of a sensitive and gay-friendly comic book creator like me to force people to confront this. We "keep it in the gutters" - JUST LIKE IN REALITY! As such, any bumming that may go on in the comic will be instigated by the forces of Evil, and the good gay will be in some way powerless to prevent it.

4) There is NOTHING queasily erotic about being entirely helpless as a big man does unspeakable things to you. Nothing. If you think there is, I don't want you reading my comics.

5) Thankfully, because there is justice in comic books, and I as Britain's leading coomic book creator (only in sales, Grant! No need to blub!) take my duties to a tolerant and multicultural Britain very seriously, the bad gay will be punished in a narratalogically satisfying way. If bashing has occurred, the superhero friend of the bashee will track down the basher and beat him up. The moral lesson will be delivered subtly and almost subliminally with clever words like this:

Is this how you think he felt? Helpless, afraid? That little knife of yours isn't much good against DIAMOND HARD SKIN, is it? Did he run, too? Did that excite you? Did you get off on it? Another man, a man whose only crime was to love other men, in front of you, cornered... was he breathing heavily? Did he beg? Is that what you like? Men begging while you stick it into them? Well, I DON'T.

Beatdown to follow. Note that the one exception to this is Northstar, because nobody gives a shit about Northstar. Space AIDS is regrettably incurable (to cure AIDS would be to trivialise a real and painful problem. Thus, while you can have Wolverine injected with it and recovering thanks to his healing factor, having the antibodies he generates extracted and used as a cure is tacky and unacceptable), but guarantees a heroic death saving the world or at the very least an ethnically and culturally diverse group of children. Bumcrime, sure as night follows day, will be revisited upon the perpetrator tenfold. If that strict multiple means bummurder must happen, well, you can't argue with the rules. Even iconoclastic comic book enfants terribles with a ten-issue streak on Wizard's hot list have to do the right thing.

So, hope that's helped. Until next time, poo believers, make yours Milllahahahahahahahah.

Ahahaha.

Ahhhaha.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
11:59 / 04.10.05
I thought this thread was for Worst Writing Ever, not stunningly good parody.
 
 
matsya
21:51 / 04.10.05
works both ways for me. but not in a bumsex kind of way, of course.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:41 / 05.10.05
nobody gives a shit about Northstar

Truth.
 
 
Quantum
10:51 / 05.10.05
I just read an Ennis Hellblazer last night (Son of Man) where a man gets bumsexed to death by a bad gay, a demon with the cunningly descriptive name 'Fuckpig'. Who shouts

"Sodomite! Do you know what we do to you in hell?"

before, well, the delicately pencilled corpse after the event says it all. Reminded me of the touching scene in Preacher when Starr gets queered up by the bumsex... oh wait, I mean it reminds me of all of his work, it is, indeed, all about the arse.
 
 
Quantum
10:56 / 05.10.05
Do you think Ennis and Millar get together and discuss how to sensitively depict TEH GAY? The thin line between funny and offensive, so difficult to walk. Thank goodness the fuckpig wasn't too much.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:23 / 05.10.05
Ennis and Millar? Get together? But aren't they both staunch... oh. I see. Carry on.
 
 
A
05:39 / 06.10.05
Alan Moore had Mr Hyde bumsex the Invisible Man to death in an issue of League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which I thought was a lovely touch.

(Could this become the new "women in refrigerators"?)
 
 
This Sunday
07:48 / 06.10.05
Alan Moore's ability to fit rape into, well, an interesting number of his stories, has exhausted me of a capacity for rabid-fannishness, more than anything else in his writing. The obsessive tightness and pre-formatting being a close second. But, the rape thing. The two League series, I thought it was funny, if nothing more, but 'Watchmen' was...
I'm the first person to bring up Watchmen in this thread, aren't I? Not tripe but... flawwed and for me, just really disinteresting on so many levels outside of the pirate bits and the art. Wonderfully designed and Moore may be a wonderful ficto-timepiece-builder, but the ororry was uninteresting and...
Yeah, I'm definitely the only person who wants to put it in here, and for me, it's again a case of 'making itself look bad.'
 
 
A
13:57 / 06.10.05
Well, at least this sort of thing probably gives hope to aspiring "slash" fan fiction writers everywhere. Someday MY story about Collossus getting violently bumsexed by Captain Picard might be published by Wildstorm Comics.
 
 
Lord Morgue
14:26 / 06.10.05
I have always held the theory that Marvel Comics, and much of society, for that matter, have nothing against homosexuality, as long as it doesn't involve any sex with people your own gender.
So, did they ever actually give Northstar a boyfriend, or even mention his sexuality after that fucking Scott Lobdell monstrosity, (which has to be a contender for this thread, now I remember it) I mean, they couldn't even bring themselves to say the "G" word in the limited series, which ONLY EXISTED because of the character's sudden high profile due to being gay. Really! The badguys were attacking him because he was "you know".
Didn't Captain America have a gay friend who was brainwashed by the Red Skull into becoming an annoying drag-queen who accused Cap of being a "closet case"? Now that right there is either the worst or the best writing ever. Cap faces his greatest challenge- SARCASM! That fancy shield ain't gonna help you now, Stevey...
 
 
A
14:49 / 06.10.05


Some things are just universal.
 
 
Quantum
18:02 / 06.10.05
...sono TEH GAY!
 
 
Ganesh
18:04 / 06.10.05
Bit of a moisturising failure, that forehead. If he doesn't keep up his skin regime, he'll be drummed out of TEH GAYS.
 
 
Warewullf
19:51 / 06.10.05
Someday MY story about Collossus getting violently bumsexed by Captain Picard might be published by Wildstorm Comics.


Goddamn, I'd read that.

"Russian. Metal ass. Hot."

"Boishe-moi!"
 
 
Aertho
20:34 / 06.10.05
Alan Moore had Mr Hyde bumsex the Invisible Man to death in an issue of League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which I thought was a lovely touch.

I don't really equate that with the aforementioned guy-on-gay rape.
 
 
matsya
22:49 / 06.10.05
Speaking of Moore, one other thing he seems to have a lot of is lesbians in his stories. Which on one hand could be just a reflection of contemporary society, but I have a hard time coming up with any MALE homosexual characters in any of his work, which starts to make the inclusion of so many lesbian characters seem somewhat less wholesome and altruistic. If you know what I mean. I mean, I think he portrays his lesbian characters fairly realistically and non-sensationally, but these days I find myself picking up new Moore books and pretty much waiting for the lesbian to walk onscreen.

And I'll second the note of flaws in Watchmen, especially that thing he does where the dialogue in one scene overlaps with the action in another parallel scene, often in a metaphorical kind of way, like the descriptions of Ozymandias on the trapeze coming from the teevee as Dan and Laurie make clumsy love in front of it. To steal from Flyboy and Haus, it's a little bit too ...DO YOU SEE? to work properly, and once you notice it, it's fucking EVERYWHERE, this little writery trick.
 
 
The Falcon
22:57 / 06.10.05
Yeah, the scene overlaps are a bit annoying. He actually mentions that loads of folk wrote and said he did that too much in his little thing on comics scriptwriting which Avatar published (with oversized BOOBS, natch, on the cover) and that, thereafter, he stopped.

[Rubbish segue to ontopic] Avatar must be home of shit comics, I'm sure.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:57 / 06.10.05
I have a hard time coming up with any MALE homosexual characters in any of his work,

Top Ten Book Two ends with an ageing gay (male) couple, one of whom is main character Captain Traynor,fixing dinner and canoodling on the sofa.

I think Hooded Justice in Watchmen was rumoured to be gay. Rorschach hypothesised that Ozymandias was gay. I believe other characters also had theories about Rorschach being a repressed homosexual.

Pretty thin, I know! I shoulda stuck with the first example only.

And I'll second the note of flaws in Watchmen, especially that thing he does where the dialogue in one scene overlaps with the action in another parallel scene, often in a metaphorical kind of way, like the descriptions of Ozymandias on the trapeze coming from the teevee as Dan and Laurie make clumsy love in front of it. To steal from Flyboy and Haus, it's a little bit too ...DO YOU SEE? to work properly, and once you notice it, it's fucking EVERYWHERE, this little writery trick.

I don't personally feel it seemed that way when it was published in the mid-80s. I can see how it might read as laboured and over-showy now, as the device may have been copied or repeated too many times since.

Moore had warmed up that trick in Swamp Thing before bringing it to Watchmen, but (not having encountered ST) I remember it seeming inventive and impressive, and unlike anything I'd seen before in comics.
 
 
Ganesh
23:01 / 06.10.05
There was the stuff he did for AARGH too, if that counts.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
23:04 / 06.10.05
Yes, AARGH's "The Mirror of Love" was fairly awful I think but there were certainly gay men in it.
 
 
Ganesh
23:06 / 06.10.05
I think a later version came out as a picture book, minus the Godawful artwork. It was (slightly) more tolerable.
 
 
LDones
23:15 / 06.10.05
Jetlad and Wulf (the characters mentioned above at the end of Top 10 Vol. 2) are the main love story in Moore's more recent "The 49'ers", and it's played very relaxed and very straight, with Jetlad even passionately kissing his beloved moustached partner before flying off to save the day, all late 40's style.

Purely as conjecture, I think Moore's tendency to input homosexual women into his stories might stem from his own history with unusual relationships. People try to work out their issues in their art.

Also, I'm with Chad for once in agreeing that Hyde's murder-by-buggery of Griffin doesn't quite count in the Millar-ist category of teh bumsex.
 
 
X-Himy
23:19 / 06.10.05
Top Ten: The Forty Niners was centered on a young Captain Traynor post WWII, coming to Neopolis and dealing with the realization of his homosexual identity, and falling in love with Wolf, the man he is with at the end of Top Ten.
 
 
The Falcon
23:24 / 06.10.05
Goodness, X-H, it must have taken you twenty-five minutes to post that.

Yeah, Mirror of Love came out recently with Villarubia photo art. Just checking, having never read either version, but sez on the internets that Bissette & Veitch did the original art - how can that possibly be bad?
 
 
Aertho
00:35 / 07.10.05
I'm with Chad for once in agreeing...

Huh? We have fundamental disagreements? Are you a Flat Earther or something?
 
 
LDones
00:50 / 07.10.05
Yes. Also a morlock. And a moleperson. I'm Hans Moleman actually.

Speaking of which, am I the only one that finds the writing in cartoon based comics for children to be largely insane tripe? They're like Goofus and Gallant, only not quite so rad. Simpsons comics have never once made me laugh. Am I a crotchety moleperson?
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
02:00 / 07.10.05
I remember seeing a gay couple as important characters in Alan Moore's Hypothetical Lizard.
 
 
This Sunday
07:15 / 07.10.05
Moore admitted somewhere or other that he may very well have been indulging himself with a protective shield of 'postmodernist trope-manipulation' - no in those words - for the rape bit in the first League mini. I'd say this may very well apply to the Griffin Murder in the second series. What I find funny as that anyone actually has - or feels they have - to explain away something they made up as, 'well, maybe I just did it 'cause it seemed funny/cool/effective at the time.'
I just don't see how we ever came to the 'it's only art if it's integral' deal. Everything's integral if it's there for you, 'cause it's part of the experience.
As for his predilection towards creating fictional lesbians, it may simply have to do with who he knows and associates with on a personal level. I got a few complaints here and there about how frequently lesbians appeared in my writing, and after some thought, I realized I was - and am currently - on speaking terms and sociable with more lesbians that straight women. Correction: more bisexual women with a strong female preference, and a selection of lesbians, which combined far outweigh... yaddayadda-and-so-it-goes....
A friend of mine who spends an inordinate amount of times at places with names like Basic Plumbing and Hard, has at least two homosexual males per story he writes, because if there was only one they'd be alone and un-bumsexed.
If all the men in your day-to-day are black, I'm going to go out on a limb and say, you'll probably most readily write a male character who is black kinda often. Surrounded by Mormons and it's, well, Mormons.
This is not always the case, nor is it a rule of any kind, but I would presume it sort of common.
And then we're back to the funny-rape versus sensitive and lovely hotsweatysexing.
I'm wondering if the day-to-day experiences of many of the writers who've work checked in this thread, have anything or much to do with their being here. If Priest knows lots of people that ramble and act in a contiguous but non-chronological fashion, or if John Byrne knows one blond guy with a square chin who he just likes drawing a lot; that sort of thing.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:41 / 07.10.05
sez on the internets that Bissette & Veitch did the original art - how can that possibly be bad?

My scanner is bust so someone else would have to oblige with illos, but it's a combination of Look & Learn black and white watercolour art for the "history" bit -- wooden tableaux of two beruffed gents reaching for each other's hands in the theatre, a languid youth reclining by a lilypond as a fatbeard regards him -- and line drawings of hermaphrodites in various symbolic poses at the bottom of each page that look like lucky charm pendants in a hippy shop.

Moore captions the first type of art with sub-Swampy purpleprose: "as the renaissance blossomed, cities gradually returned, and in their alleys our subculture thrived, a pale, night blooming flower". The second is garlanded with even duffer lyricism: "who'll care, my love? who'll guard such fragile gems as these?"
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:07 / 07.10.05
Actually I think the comic would have been better if it had just reproduced Moore's script in boxes.

NOW WE ARE UP TO THE FIFTEENTH CENTURY AND THE RENAISSANCE, OVER THERE
IN ITALY. IN THIS PANEL WE ARE IN THE FLOWER-DRAPED SQUARE OR COURTYARD
OF A RENAISSANCE VILLA, MAYBE WITH A DECORATIVE FOUNTAIN BUBBLING AND
SPLASHING SOMEWHERE CENTRAL. A YOUNG MAN SITS UPON THE FOUNTAIN'S EDGE
AND LETS HIS HAND TRAIL IDLY THROUGH THE WATER, UNAWARE THAT HE IS
WATCHED. AN OLDER MAN, WHITE HAIRED, STANDS TO ONE SIDE, AND LEANED
AGAINST THE ROSE DRAPED WALLS, WATCHING THE YOUTH SIT BY THE GORGEOUS
FOUNTAIN AS THE SMOKE-GRAY EVENING FALLS, SHADOWS SLIDING ACROSS THE
SURFACE OF THE PROUD AND GLORIOUS RENAAISANCE BUILDINGS FORMING THE
SURROUND, THE CUNNINC ARCHES AND THE INTRICATELY CARVEN STONEWORK,
GLEAMING WHITE AS DUSK DESCENDS.
CAP. : As the Rennaissance blossomed, cities gradually returned, and in
their alleys our subculture thrived, a pale, night-blooming flower.
 
 
DaveBCooper
09:50 / 07.10.05
Interesting turn this thread has taken, I feel – appears to be the implied suggestion that certain writers’ work repeatedly featuring characters of a particular nature equates to ‘bad writing’.

I guess it’s bound to be subjective, but if that’s the case, Will Eisner’s insistence on writing about jewish issues, Howard Cruse’s on homosexuality, and Reggie Hudlin’s preoccupation with black characters might well fall into this category.
Bad writers, all.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:58 / 07.10.05
Yes, that's definitely what's been implied, rather than the treatment of those characters within the writing. Well done.
 
 
DaveBCooper
10:12 / 07.10.05
I guess I couldn’t help but leap to that conclusion when Matsaya said “[Moore] seems to have a lot of is lesbians in his stories…but I have a hard time coming up with any MALE homosexual characters in any of his work”.

Mind you, when it comes to women shagging plants, he led the way, writing about inter-species relationships in a centre-stage way that wouldn’t be seen with such rampant prominence until the release of Preacher.
 
  

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