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Magick as maladaptive coping device

 
  

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Ganesh
21:57 / 26.09.05
Cannabis for relieving psychotic "voices" doesn't work terribly well, as a rule - and booze dulls chronic pain until y'develop an ulcer...
 
 
archim3des
22:01 / 26.09.05
I tend to find that when I'm productive and doing well, I'm more motivated to keep up with the ooky stuff. When my life's not going well, my practice sucks. I get discouraged, I get lazy, neglect my studies and my daily routines, and generally sink back into my armchair. Not terribly healthy, but I suppose it's marginally better than the other way around.

i find myself concurring with mo*rdant and the others who agreed with him.

i also find, when looking back on my that 'ooky' shit, if i can see it being used by myself as a maladaptive cooping device, the results are either usually shitty, nonexistant, or some sort of prelude to something not unlike a panic attack
 
 
ghadis
23:56 / 26.09.05
Grant says?

My better half, she's seeing a Jungian therapist. She needs supervision hours to get social work licensure, and insurance helps pay for it, and it's pretty interesting (and I think it makes her feel better about life). What's weird is that the therapist, who as far as I know is just getting this stuff from the world of counselling/psychotherapy (although not as "medical" as psychiatry), seems to be reading a lot of the same stuff I've read that I'd typify as magick stuff. Books on gnosticism. Eastern esotericism. That Ramsey Dukes people mentioned here a while back seems right up her alley.

So I think there may be a permeable membrane between "magicky stuff" and counselling/"self-help" (whatever that is).


Absolutely. When I was talking before about using magic to examine and sort out my own problems I was talking about a practice of which a large percentage is the same or very similar to more traditional therapy. Examining dreams, using art, writing letters, meditating on salient points that come up. Etc. Along with, and intertwined with, that there is the more magicky ways of doing things such as using lucid dreaming techniques, astral work and more ritualised practice. Also the act of conversing with Deities. Looking for advice, guidance etc.

The thing that I feel is lacking, and that your better half has, Grant, is a human emphatic ear. I?m speeding along and pulling all this stuff out of myself but I don?t feel that there is any place to put it productively. That?s why im so keen on looking at counselling. Someone to catch all the fall out that arises and isn?t entwined in my own life. Also this, I imagine, will bring up a whole new set of challenges. I have a very supportive partner and a group of friends who I know will give me great advice on all manner of magical stuff but I?m pretty shit at getting personal with friends and not good talking about a lot of stuff with anyone.

Anyway, before I do a Sypha and start winging on and on about my personal shit just to get some attention I?ll get back to the point I started off trying to make.

Which was, yea , there is a permeable membrane between "magicky stuff" and counselling/"self-help" because there is not any difference in the two really. They?re both about realising yourself in your own world, trying to understand yourself and the universe. I think a lot of New Age and Self Help books do it really badly though. A lot of Occult books try and do it really badly as well.

And that last paragraph is the most inane and boring thing I?ve ever written in my life.
 
 
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01:59 / 27.09.05
Sorry about the length of this.

I wonder sometimes whether a strong interest in magick serves a similar purpose - distancing oneself from creeping disappointment or feelings of underachievement in more 'mainstream' spheres of living - but, instead of obtaining significance through the thrill of persecution, the magician gains his sense of power through the theoretical framework itself ("I may seem insignificant, but I exert my influence on the magickal plane").

Yeah, that more or less perfectly describes what I was like for a 3-4 year period that ended about 7 months ago. The strange thing is that I wasn't aware at all of what I was doing wrong, and it took some help from a few people before I could realize it.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with using magick as a means of feeling good about oneself and one's place in the universe. I do feel, though, that - as with the committed conspiracy theorist - the paradigm can be a devouring one, particularly where social skills are concerned. I've met several magicians who are, basically, rather timid people who seem singularly ill-equipped to deal with normal human interaction, and I can't help but think magick has provided a refuge from the messy world of human contact, a refuge which has become a ghetto, but a ghetto to which they stubbornly cling.

This aswell. The more I tried doing magick thinking I was bettering myself, the worse things often got. (sometimes things worked, but not very often. More of a fluke chance when it did work.) I think what happened with me was that I was pushing for a realization of something, something that would completely change the way I was, but nothing arrived. I had to look at the other aspects of my life in the end before I saw that the work I had to do wasn't so much magick as it was staying away from magick for however long it took, and sorting out some of the problems I had, that included stress, paranioa, and agoraphobia that the magick was just making worse. I guess it was like someone or something was saying "hey, this isn't what you need right now, stop doing this." But I had my ears covered and couldn't hear a thing.

I don't know how much this happens to people getting into the occult, but it's something that I'm interested in quite a lot too, because it could be where a lot of problems come from for young occultists, especially those without teachers.

Aaanyway. What do other people think? Does this seem familiar, or am I perhaps overgeneralising from my contact with a subset of the magickal community? Also, do Temple-frequenters feel their magickal practice waxes and wanes in direct or inverse proportion to their sense of achievement in other areas of their lives?

It was familiar, a little too familiar to me. I wasn't far from cringing when I read it because it brought back some memories. With the waxing and waning, yes, whenever I was fortunate enough to have a few things going well for me in other areas, whatever I was calling my practice at the time would work a lot better and I'd feel more confident all around. My mind was a lot clearer when I did some magickal work aswell, and that's one of the things that can often decide how well a working goes.

Something from a book called The Witches Qabala came to mind as I was reading the thread aswell, that might be of help :

'The Vice of Yesod is Idleness. Teachers will recognize this. How often have students who first worked very hard in their studies suddenly refused to put forth any further effort? This often passes, of course, but if it doesn't, the students do not advance. They remain in the Treasurehouse of Images, bemused by what they see, accepting it as truth. They are convinced they have found it all and do not need to travel further. There is no further need for work or study. They know it all. Not for them the uphill climb, the soul-searching, the struggle to know their true Self, the striving for growth and change. They have flown to the top of the mountain, and see all, know all.

The Illusion of Yesod is Security, and that fits quite well with this attitude. In order to grow, you must change, and change is frightening. People at this stage believe they are secure; their foundation is firm. They have achieved everything that is needed, and none of that frightening change is necessary.

...

This may seem a strange way for idleness to manifest itself, but if students are instant adepts, have acheived instantaneous cosmic consciousness, they won't have to do all that horrible studying and hard work, will they? The Sphere of Illusion makes it easy for them to convince themselves.
'
 
 
Quantum
10:40 / 27.09.05
So I think there may be a permeable membrane between "magicky stuff" and counseling/"self-help" (whatever that is). Grant

I have a background in Psychology, so my Tarot interpretation is especially 'spun' in those terms.
A lot of old occult fields are seen as proto-psychology, and Jung especially tapped a lot of it for his theories (rightly so IMHO). Notably, Alchemy as self-change informs a lot of his ideas, he was really into the I-Ching and his Archetypes are pretty much Tarot cards.

Joseph Campbell's stuff is relevant too, as a kind of meta-myth, and drawing the occult as a spiritual journey we undergo, the narrative we project unconsciously on the world.
 
 
Seth
11:03 / 27.09.05
Yeah, but things have a way of dropping on you, shaking you up. You don't always get to potter along in the same old magical routine just coz you're contented with it. Sometimes you'll get that tap on the shoulder to take it to another level, or go off on a new angle; ignore it, and you might find you don't stay happy and contented for long...

This hasn’t happened in a long time. Maybe a year to eighteen months. I’m not discounting that it might happen again at some point, we’ll see. But I’m not going to chase after it and cause it to happen. I’ll admit that the point at which this stopped is the point at which I became a genuinely happy person, but I won’t draw any conclusions from that at this stage. You never know what might happen in future.

As for pottering along in the same old magical routine… nothing about my life is routine right now. I just think that these days magic doesn’t warrant the importance to have a routine that’s somehow separate from the rest of my life, and that in focusing on just living as best I can my practises have found their context within the rest of my life rather than vice versa. The useful bits stayed and the rest is filed under “may be of use later.”

How has this thread been for you Ganesh? It strikes me that people aren’t going to admit that their magic is a maladaptive coping strategy (not that I think that's your aim), because to do that is to bring their illusion down around themselves. The result is a lot of a lot of people saying, “yeah this phenomena exists, but it’s not true of me. It may once have been but now I know what to watch out for. I find feeling sad inside makes the magic worse.”

That may be perfectly true, but it strikes me as similar to the problem of asking someone you have a crush on whether they play mind games. If they did, would they tell you? I’m emphatically not saying that people who have posted to this thread are covering up for themselves: I’m just noticing that this is not something you’ll find a whole lot of people admitting to.

When I was a Christian many people would helpfully tell me that it’s just a psychological crutch in that brave and confrontational way that they wouldn’t dream of using with people of certain other religions. And my response, like many of the above, was to say that it was absolutely the opposite, that meeting Jesus is transformative and leaves you knowing that you have to change, that there’s huge levels of soul searching and doubt that come with the job, that sometimes you feel like you’re going bonkers etc. And while all that was true to an extent, I was resisting the attack rather too vehemently and knew that at some level the comment was on the mark. Perhaps a bit of both/and.

(BTW, I’ve been thinking about converting again, or similar. No decisions made yet)
 
 
grant
17:51 / 27.09.05
Cannabis for relieving psychotic "voices" doesn't work terribly well, as a rule - and booze dulls chronic pain until y'develop an ulcer...

Damn and blast.

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One of the things that occurred to me after I wrote that is that there really aren't magick practitioners per se the way there are psychotherapists/doctors, so it's all kind of self-medication, with all the associated risks and ulcers.

Kauket kind of says the same thing -- the external ear.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:12 / 28.09.05
Sorry, this is long, and possibly offtopica.

Fascinating thread. And thanks grant and kauket, for articulating something I've been thinking about alot recently.

The more work I do, the better my life is and the more fulfiled I am in each moment. When I slack off, I find that I am more irritable, generally troublesome, agressive, and less understanding.

On the other hand, if my life is a bit rough, I find it harder to get the motivation to do my daily work. But that's when it's most important.

[...]It's this dynamic that I find generally informs my practice - a rhythm of reaching threshold, taking a break, integrating, moving on, reaching threshold and so on.


This had me slapping the table in agreement. Only for me it's not specifically my practice in something 'magicky' but this is how my whole life works. I have bouts of depression, which I understand to be primarily a response to some of the circumstances of my life.

And there's a definite vicious cycle in that, when I'm down, I'm less inclined to maintain constructive practices, whether that's tidying my flat, not drinking too much, making time for meditation/connection with ritual partners and most particularly, attending counselling. I'm less inclined to nurture myself, basically.

To me all my 'practices' are all part of a bundle that fuels and is fuelled by my self-healing work.

It's worth bearing in mind thatcounselling/pyschotherapy are *very* broad fields. You'll find people working from very medical models, and people whose work is indistinguishable from alot of the stuff talked about here, and if they are poles of opposition, which I'm not sure about, you'll find everything in 'between'.

Anyway, counselling is as hard as it's ever been. Kauket, I love your description of the dynamic of your work. For me at the moment it's two steps 'foward', one 'back' in that it seems to be each time I get to a safer place, it works out that what I want to do with that safety is use it to open another scary box.

And I think there is a temptation, and one I've certainly succumbed to at times(as with other people's experiences, generally when much younger), to mythologise my 'illness'/'madness' in such a way as to use it as armour, precluding engagement/movement and instead 'hiding' behind a structure and blaming it for my 'underachievements'

And writing this, I'm aware that I still do this. My couns. has recenly been going through with me the ways I talk about my mental health, and I'm discovering all sorts of usages that functino much as you say, as props/poses.
 
 
illmatic
11:17 / 28.09.05
One of the things that occurred to me after I wrote that is that there really aren't magick practitioners per se the way there are psychotherapists/doctors, so it's all kind of self-medication, with all the associated risks and ulcers

Very true. And mixed in with the self-mythologising of magic - overidentifying with Crowely, being a self-styled outsider, any number of things, it's no wonder that people screw up. I'd include myself in that - I don't ever think I've done myself real damage but have run down blind alleys for years at a time.

Good post also, GGM.
 
 
Quantum
12:24 / 28.09.05
a refuge which has become a ghetto, but a ghetto to which they stubbornly cling.

Like Goth, or any other 'small pond' subculture. Barbelith included to some extent.

Well put GGMeme, when you said that when you reach a safe place you use that safety to open another scary box- that's a perfect model of good practice I suspect, in Psychological or Magical terms.
 
 
Ganesh
12:40 / 28.09.05
Like Goth, or any other 'small pond' subculture. Barbelith included to some extent.

Sure, but while 'being a Barbeloid' might arguably be utilised as a way of feeling powerful, I'm not sure it's used in quite the same way to rationalise negatives/failings, etc.

But yes, much of this is broadly applicable to any special interest group or subculture.
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:50 / 28.09.05
highlighting aspects of the self structure rather than dealing with an integration of the whole self, which is alot harder work. much easier to make public/social display of those your good at, that could even be displaying that your good at not being good. Lots of places to hide right in the middle of a brightly lit scene while fitting in comfortably.
 
 
Quantum
14:52 / 28.09.05
I'm not sure it's used in quite the same way to rationalise negatives/failings, etc. ... much of this is broadly applicable to any special interest group or subculture Ganesh

I really meant any online community, 'I might be sad IRL but in Ultima I'M A GOD!'. Compensation rather than rationalisation I suppose, but it's a factor that applies to teh majik as well, the attraction of a comfortable ghetto, which goes hand in hand with what you're talking about. The maladaptive magician might also be drawn to subcultures for the same reason.

Is the maladapt's magical attitude qualitatively that different to Goth do you think? Or any group than scorns 'Norms' 'Muggles' Sheeple' etc?
 
 
Ganesh
22:57 / 28.09.05
How has this thread been for you Ganesh? It strikes me that people aren’t going to admit that their magic is a maladaptive coping strategy (not that I think that's your aim), because to do that is to bring their illusion down around themselves. The result is a lot of a lot of people saying, “yeah this phenomena exists, but it’s not true of me. It may once have been but now I know what to watch out for. I find feeling sad inside makes the magic worse.”

That may be perfectly true, but it strikes me as similar to the problem of asking someone you have a crush on whether they play mind games. If they did, would they tell you? I’m emphatically not saying that people who have posted to this thread are covering up for themselves: I’m just noticing that this is not something you’ll find a whole lot of people admitting to.


As you rightly surmise, I didn't start this thread with the aim of having people 'admit to' their personal magickal practice being a prop for inadequacies, or whatever. Having said which, I alluded at the beginning to being inspired (if that's the right word) by the ongoing phenomenon of Sypha Nadon, surely the magickal equivalent of Little Britain's Only Gay In The Village.

I wasn't sure whether people would say 'I become involved with magick when my life takes a downturn' or 'I become more involved in magick when things are going well', so the range of responses has neither confirmed nor confounded my expectations. I suppose I approach matters Templey ('Templar'?) as a curious, hopefully open-minded, outsider, and this thread was pretty much me feeding back certain observations on those who claim to be magicians, and what I feel often motivates them to identify as such.
 
 
angus
11:58 / 29.09.05
I guess I'm wondering... are there many people for whom magick isn't a "maladaptive coping device"?

Let me explain.

I am mainly a self-taught voyeur when it comes to magick, but I have dabbled enough to know it's not all - or even mostly - BS. That is, there are forces being manipulated, and real world change does happen. This being so, I've often wondered how much magick is being used by people who really have it together in conventional terms. People who are at least comfortable financially, healthy, in good relationships, have good skin, live well, etc., etc. I meet a few such folks - a few pagans, a psychic or two - but they are unusual. I've never met a ceremonial or even chaos magickian who measures up in conventional terms. It's certainly possible I don't get out enough, and it's true my association with the magickal world is slight, but the question is begged - if magick works, why isn't it as visibly popular as, say, the faux cabala going around? Or David Allen's "Getting Things Done"?

So, just curious, where are all the balanced, happy, prosperous magickians?
 
 
Quantum
12:49 / 29.09.05
Hullo. I'm not unusual in having a job, partner, gracious social skillz (I hope), nice flat, wide selection of books and my health while still being majikly inclined. I'm poor, although I blame the reform of the educational system for that rather than teh dark madjiks.

Maybe I'm not a proper magician... that would explain the happiness.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:27 / 29.09.05
I'll cop to not being exactly huge with the job-having or the financial flushness, but things are slowly looking up. On the relationship front, I have been respectably shacked up with Lurid Archive for nigh-on nine years. I have one or two health probs, but doesn't anyone? And using magic seems to help with these rather than exacerbate them.

I'm told I have good skin.
 
 
Ganesh
13:57 / 29.09.05
I guess I'm wondering... are there many people for whom magick isn't a "maladaptive coping device"?

Well, the replies in this thread would seem to suggest that, for a majority of Temple-posting magicians, at least, practising magick is adaptive, ie. it's a net positive in terms of overall contentment, (physical and mental) health, social interaction, etc., etc.

Or perhaps they're a bunch of lying saddo losers.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:38 / 29.09.05
*cries*

You found us out, with your l33t Pysch skillz
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:46 / 29.09.05
Angus, any chance of framing that question in slightly less insulting terms?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
15:00 / 29.09.05
I wasn't sure whether people would say 'I become involved with magick when my life takes a downturn' or 'I become more involved in magick when things are going well', so the range of responses has neither confirmed nor confounded my expectations

Speaking for myself, I'm involved in magic 24 hours a day, seven days a week regardless of what is happening in my life. I don't really have periods where I'm not involved in magic unless I've consciously decided to give myself a fallow period for perspective, which I do every so often. There doesn't tend to be a change in pace depending upon my life circumstances. If things are going badly, I will be focused on sorting out the problems. If things are going well, I will be focused on self-development and empowerment.

I guess I'm wondering... are there many people for whom magick isn't a "maladaptive coping device"?

Magic isn't a maladaptive coping process for me anymore than, say, my art or writing could be considered a maladaptive coping process. The various things labeled under the generic heading of "magic" have not been passed down through generations as a whimsical coping strategy for fuckwits. A lot of people wrap themselves in the trappings of magic and create ego-gratifying fantasies of themselves as "magicians" - without really doing the work in any sense. "The work" involves shattering the comfort zones and ghettos of being that prevent you from growing and developing as a human being - an activity that is quite often in conflict with the wishes of your ego. I'd go as far as to say that you are not a magician if your magic is a maladaptive coping strategy.

Like I said upthread, there are not very many magicians. You don't meet them very often. I aspire to be one, and I know a handful. Not everyone interested in magic is a magician, just as not everyone interested in psychology is a shrink.
 
 
EvskiG
15:09 / 29.09.05
Erm, I've been an on-and-off ceremonial magician for about 15 years, and I'm pretty happy on the personal and professional fronts -- wonderful wife, great friends, good job, nice apartment, etc.

I started practicing in college, when I was experimenting with my consciousness through a variety of techniques, and I had a grand old time throughout. When I was at the peak of my magical practice more than a decade ago, I was pretty darn happy, too.

(Not that there haven't been down periods and magical crises and freak-outs, because there have. Comes with the territory.)

With that said, I agree that many practitioners seem to use magic as a not-entirely-successful coping strategy, just like others use conventional religion, football, or the subculture or obsession of their choice.

Seems to me that the key indicator is a sense of humor -- if someone has a sense of humor about his or her practice, chances are that he or she is going to be just fine.
 
 
*
17:35 / 29.09.05
I'm a struggling grad student, and I'm not in a relationship at the moment. Does that mean my magick is a maladaptive coping device?

Lies, all of it. Spread by my hidden enemies in Thee Blakkk Lodge.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
18:15 / 29.09.05
The various things labeled under the generic heading of "magic" have not been passed down through generations as a whimsical coping strategy for fuckwits.

T-shirt. T-shirt.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
18:38 / 29.09.05
Second Gypsy on this one.

Magic is the innate creativity that seperates you from the void. That means both the void of being unable to meet your basic needs as well as the void of meaninglessness. Your will and imagination are all that separate you from death, either of the body, the mind, the soul, or all of the above. When you live in a world that will happily enslave your or eat you whole given half the chance, you better learn how to hustle or you're fucked.

Magick as a maladaptive coping strategy? NOT doing magick is NOT coping.

Get up. Get yourself together. Do your work. Make sure you've got money to eat. Make sure you've got a place to sleep. Make sure people don't step on you, as best as you can, cause we all get stepped on every day of our lives. Struggle to make meaning. Struggle to understand yourself and who you really are, struggle to understand your place in history, struggle to see through lies. Learn to live in harmony, as much as you can, with the world—don't be the problem, be the solution. Help the people around you best you can. Get out of your own misery, cause misery is an endless void, it has NO bottom, and take a look around at this world—chances are, you might've thought you've "hit bottom" as a creative exercise in confronting the shadow, but compared to REAL misery, you've only seen what amounts to the time humans have existed compared to the time the universe has existed. Face down all the horror of this world. Look at it straight on and know you're culpable for it too. Then struggle to make a difference, knowing that all bets are off and, you know what, even when we act with the best intentions we can still cause untold misery, and then decide to do it anyway, just fucking cause. Take responsibility for your fucking existence till you're dead and know that it probably meant nothing at all, but that you're going to do your best, cause what the fuck else are we for?

Cause if you don't take control of your life, other people will happily do it for you.

Keep your heart open, don't turn into a bastard, and don't lose the golden thread of the soul, don't lose your imagination and don't lose the will to manifest it.

That's magick.

Cope with it or report to the ever-burning ovens of global capital.
 
 
Quantum
18:48 / 29.09.05
I'd like that Tee, and on the back it could say "A lot of people involved in the occult scene are a bunch of insufferable c*nts" copyright GL.
Again m'sieur you pre-empt my post- I had a whole thing about magick as the forerunner to Psychology, real magic is self change and fake magic is wank etc. but that's much snappier.
 
 
Isadore
19:45 / 29.09.05
Well, I am having issues with underachievement and poor self-esteem these days. I've had them for some years since a rather major life change hit me between the eyes. While I was practing somewhat sporadically up to that point (concurrently a happy time in my life; good grades, scholarships, etc.), afterwards I dropped the 'ooky' things more or less entirely, save for some armchair occultism (reading, no doing) that you may well consider an instance of the prop of which you speak; I was using everything in my life as a prop to try and cope.

Dragging myself up by the bootstraps has been a long and tedious pain in the ass marked with a lot of backsliding and the increasing tendency to procrastinate or entirely run away from problems, instead of dealing with them like a rational, effective person. The one good thing I can say about myself during this time (which is by no means over) is that at least I haven't given up entirely; bad habits can be unlearnt through fire and sweat, but at least there's some semblence of stable foundation underneath it all.

Most recently, I've been attempting to make the last month or so into another Major Life Change, because I need one. It kicked off with the discovery that I have a permanent thyroid disorder that messes up my metabolism nicely, and I've been using that as a fulcrum to try and wrangle everything else into line.

(That was all one big attempt to give some perspective on things, and probably overcompensating for my terse lurker instincts. Let me know if I'm out of line.)

Anyway. For the last few weeks I've been doing the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram upon rising and setting, so to speak, and so far it's been amazing. No clue yet as to whether it's going to help, but if I don't notice a quantitative improvement (in grades or productive time spent on my weekly timesheet) by the end of the year, it's time for another reworking.

So. Those are 2 cents from an unfulfilled something who wants to be functional, damnit!
 
 
grant
20:29 / 29.09.05
if magick works, why isn't it as visibly popular as, say, the faux cabala going around? Or David Allen's "Getting Things Done"?



I actually suspect that if both of those things were slightly less popular (or maybe translated into slightly different language), they'd be accepted as magick without much of a question. Kabbalah's got better cosmetics, but GTD, like, gets things done.
 
 
ghadis
20:29 / 29.09.05
This is a great thread. Quick post just to point out that all the work i've been doing on my self destructive behavioral patterns has come about since i got into magic.It has been the challenges that, 'a magical life',the self examination, etc, has set me that has promted me to act.

So, magic as a maladaptive coping device? No

Magic as a, coping, examinatory, challenging, enter into life to the fullest, device? Yes

Although i do still think that the maldaptive part can enter into it sometimes, like i said in a post above, to everyone, even the most accomplished magician.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:31 / 29.09.05
if magick works, why isn't it as visibly popular as, say, the faux cabala going around?

Because you don't have to do any of that tedious studying to wear a piece of red wrist floss (and Kanji characters are like, so five minutes ago compared to Hebrew tattoos)?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
22:25 / 29.09.05
Oh, this thread is so interesting atm, and there's so much in GL/BIAS/Kauket's posts that I want to come back to, in order to articulate *why* I brought up my therapy example.

Basically, because I'm in a place (provoked primarily by interaction with the Temple, and some specific posters within it, to whom I'm enormously grateful) where I'm no longer seeing my path and process as distinctively therapeutic or magical, but as somewhere where these things overalap and merge.

Which is a realisation/thing I'm just at the beginning of, and I can see going on for a long, long time. Quite possibly, lifelong.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:22 / 29.09.05
Basically, it's the stuff that's *always* there, whether it's weaker or stronger, and no matter what I'm doing with it, there's a thread/voice that's always ongoing.

*Now* tell me I'm maladaptive.
 
 
Ganesh
23:26 / 29.09.05
*shrugs*

You're maladaptive.
 
 
ghadis
23:42 / 29.09.05
That merging thing is interesting. In one way i don't feel that i'm merging anything at all. My going to counselling is not stepping outside a magical frame of mind to interact with the outside world in order for it to give guidance or help on my problems. I see it more as a tool that i'm lacking. That outside ear as it were. In the same way that using ritual, personification of my 'demons' to commumicate with them, writing letters to family (and burning them!)etc are tools to use. I see it all as being as 'magic'

But, of course, going to a counseller is allowing someone to step into my world view in a way. I'm letting someone who won't have the same ideas as me into my life and my inner thoughts. Like i said, scary and challenging.
 
 
ghadis
23:53 / 29.09.05
I don't even think 'maladoptive' is a real word.
 
  

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