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Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns

15:26 / 06.10.05

Bollox to him, he's a sell out!!!

:.)

16:35 / 06.10.05

If I huggle everyone will everything be ok again?

Z

17:18 / 06.10.05

Clearly not.

Threadrot Ends.

18:20 / 06.10.05

wouldnt my participating in your huggles be to the detriment of my own status as an original prooducer of closeness?
i aint gonna be no session hugglist.

on selling out;
i find the use of the term unhelpful unless its definition is agreed. i wonder, mr froglet, what you find the term useful for, especially in light of your unorthodox definition.
do you accuse acts of being sell out to your friends?
or do you scream it at shows?

i am also now curious as to how you define the term 'hardcore'.

18:31 / 06.10.05

on the threadrot:
did you post your annoyance at huggles so you could link to it? or did you post the anti-huggle post, and unable to be sure your intended target had read it, link to it here?

while your comment could have been general, it did appear about forty minutes after zenfroglet offered them, is all.

please, feel free to correct me.
i'd rather think you werent that kinda guy.

20:04 / 06.10.05

wouldnt my participating in your huggles be to the detriment of my own status as an original prooducer of closeness?
i aint gonna be no session hugglist.

Not if it was a collaborative attempt without any false motivations :-)

on selling out;
i find the use of the term unhelpful unless its definition is agreed. i wonder, mr froglet, what you find the term useful for, especially in light of your unorthodox definition.
do you accuse acts of being sell out to your friends?
or do you scream it at shows?

I find the image of someone screaming "Sellout!" at a show amusing.

I don't use the term in real life at all. I don't think I'm a very negative person, neither are my friends. When we speak music it is usually recommending music to each other or raving about something we just heard.

Perhaps this sounds hypocritical, after what I've said on the subject, but it's not something I would normally consider.

What do I find it useful for? I suppose it's good laying boundaries, so that I can judge myself, knowing what I would allow myself to do or not. Maintaining my "holier than thou" exterior.

That was a joke!

i am also now curious as to how you define the term 'hardcore'.

Mm, one of my friends used to be in a semi-popular "post-hardcore" band, or is that "emo-core", I don't know anymore. Obviously he quit as soon as it got too popular. :-)
Hardcore, I dunno definitions change over time. To me it's a heavier punkier sound than regular rock. Or do you refer to the philosophy behind punk? Or do you mean "hardcore" as opposed to "sellout"?

Z

20:49 / 06.10.05

What do I find it useful for? I suppose it's good laying boundaries, so that I can judge myself, knowing what I would allow myself to do or not.

but it isnt really, is it?
you already know what you would or wouldnt do, and applying a label to it is only useful if you want to share or record that decision.
i put it to you that to restrict yorself in this way is detrimental to your musical practice and has no perceptible benefits outside feeling strong enough to beat your emotions and reason.
i dont see why that is helpful to someone exploring their musical voice.

Hardcore, I dunno definitions change over time. To me it's a heavier punkier sound than regular rock. Or do you refer to the philosophy behind punk? Or do you mean "hardcore" as opposed to "sellout"?

its difficult when the definitions arent agreed, isnt it?

what if i actually meant the hardcore techno records that those whistle heads play at the day-glo raves they hold in my basement?

ONLY NICE THINGS

00:32 / 07.10.05

i am also now curious as to how you define the term 'hardcore'.

Full penetration, generally.

11:41 / 07.10.05

i put it to you that to restrict yorself in this way is detrimental to your musical practice and has no perceptible benefits outside feeling strong enough to beat your emotions and reason.
i dont see why that is helpful to someone exploring their musical voice.

But this *is* how I feel. It all just comes down to what I (inherently?) think is right and wrong in music, what is fair and what isn't. Basically.
I agree, though, that to brand people as "sellouts" is useless. The word itself is useless and can mean whatever a person wants it to mean. I've defined the term for myself, but it doesn't mean I have to use it. I don't think I would have even thought about it if it weren't for this thread. :-)

As for restricting myself, I don't know, I don't think I'm restricting myself really. It's not going to stop me from enjoying any type of music, as for creating, I only want to create what I think is "fair", so I couldn't betray that. The quality of the music however is another matter entirely. Heh!

what if i actually meant the hardcore techno records that those whistle heads play at the day-glo raves they hold in my basement?

You've got some funny imagery man. :-)
Z.

12:01 / 07.10.05

oh please...

00:14 / 14.10.05

Zen, please stop signing your posts. It's unnecessary.

13:58 / 17.06.08

So, three years later, I found this column I quite liked: John Roderick of the Long Winters talks about selling out.

And, as a guy who's been in the Seattle scene since Nirvana was a bar band, he should know.

His thesis is that there's been a collision between mainstream and indie ideas of what "selling out" means, how promotion should work and what bands should do to make themselves heard.

The potential for hypocrisy has never been higher. Professional publicists feel obligated to introduce themselves with a conspiratorial wink, “I hate publicists myself, they’re the worst, and I'm only doing this because I'm working on a novel about how lame being a publicist is, but since I'm here let’s talk about how we’re going to publicize your record without appearing to be publicizing it.” The music business is rife with this kind of cynical gaming, and the musicians are the worst at it. They want every effort paid to making their band a household name, as long as they are portrayed as humble back-porch songsmiths who just learned to use a telephone so they could call their mothers in prison.

It's worth a read, if only for his honest (?!) description of two promotional encounters - playing songs at a NY ad agency and doing a gig at a software corporation party.

All Acting Regiment

18:18 / 19.06.08

I hope I don't appear, early on in this thread, in my prat form. I haven't looked, but I have a feeling I might.

Does anyone else find that a band or music entity of any kind making a claim to have not sold out tends to make said entity unlistenable? For me it seems like a weird co-commitant to the thing where you find it hard to enjoy certain music because of the fans.

19:29 / 19.06.08

Great article Grant, thanks for posting.
The ludicrous idea of an ad man telling Rodderick that he's a sell out for pitching to his agency - the indie kid can grow up and earn good money making ads, but his hero must stay stuck playing shitty venues for bad money and anything else is a sell out. Ridiculous.

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