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woolly
10:52 / 08.09.05
Sorry,

I live with three 'lithers. They're very annoying. I hate them. Barbelith brought hatred into my life.

Nina, did you meet them through the board? Or did you introduce them to it?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:58 / 08.09.05
Yes, this is v interesting, the idea that a lot of people use boards, but don't necessarily post on them. Hadn;t really considered that before. Thanks v much.

I did this -lurked here on and off for about 2 years before I registered and started posting, which was basically motivated by the fact that I'd left I was no longer surrounded by people who wanted to talk about the kind of things people here chat about. So I thought I'd try actually posting for a change...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:59 / 08.09.05
It might be worth pointing out that there's a group of London people who originally met via the board who are basically now a group of friends who use the board as one of the ways to keep in contact. Some of them knew each other before, but not all. This group includes people who've met partners, housemates, artistic collaborators, alcoholism enablers and so on, via here. I know that this is also true in New York, as well. And Brighton. And LA.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:59 / 08.09.05
Enough questions! On with the candling!

(Do be sure and let us know when to look out for the piece, btw!)
 
 
Jub
11:00 / 08.09.05
I work for the guardian don't I? But also other, perhaps unlikely, publications

where else? why unlikely?

(also check out Gathering forum for Barbe-meets!)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:02 / 08.09.05
Please don't mention some of the terrible long-running in-"jokes", Guardian Journalist.
 
 
Sax
11:03 / 08.09.05
I think that the fact people talk about shoving candles up each other's arses ALL THE TIME is probably going to make the most interesting angle.
 
 
woolly
11:05 / 08.09.05
Please don't mention some of the terrible long-running in-"jokes", Guardian Journalist.
Not sure I really understand enough to be mentioning them. Am only new, after all
 
 
haus of fraser
11:07 / 08.09.05
just ask ender about steve....
 
 
woolly
11:08 / 08.09.05
where else? why unlikely?
Please, let me keep a small air of mystery... They're just kind of polar opposites...
Anyway, am now getting distracted and editor will want to know where the copy is, so had better go and write it.
Will see (read) you all soon (although not if there's going to be this candles stuff...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:15 / 08.09.05
am now getting distracted

And that should tell you all you need to know about using the 'lith at work!
 
 
Jub
11:16 / 08.09.05
They're just kind of polar opposites

the mind boggles. Good luck with the piece.
 
 
Loomis
11:35 / 08.09.05
Other publications eh? I thought I recognised your writing style from FHM. Not that I read it, you understand. I only buy it for the pictures.
 
 
illmatic
11:43 / 08.09.05
Can you please post a link to the article when it's done. And an email address so we can all collectively denounce you?

BTW candling is one the injokes (possibly the least entertaining).
 
 
Jub
11:56 / 08.09.05
didn't feel like a joke when it happened to me.
 
 
illmatic
12:13 / 08.09.05
It still wasn't entertaining though, no matter how strained your grimaces became.
 
 
The Strobe
13:17 / 08.09.05
Please don't mention some of the terrible long-running in-"jokes", Guardian Journalist.

"Also, in my brief stay, I met a surprising young man who was convinced he was some kind of text-adventure-game parser. Alas, he was too borecore for me."
 
 
Ex
13:52 / 08.09.05
Rambling response. Not very ninja. Must be pithier.

I don't actively dislike my colleagues, but there is a sprawling, rugose cold war going on between the management and the rest of the office, which I'm determined not to discuss with my coworkers. Barbelith is an escape from loaded and arch comments about how I'm enjoying the job.

I particularly like Barbelith because I don't feel one has to lay the groundwork to such an extent as I would with my co-workers. Whether I'm arguing some kind of obscure point, or making a very small joke, I don't have to do as much explaining as I would in a conversation. In part because if people don't get something, they can google it. Also, because I feel the place is quite queer friendly and there are a lot of posters interested in critical theory and politics.

At work, a small anecdote or querky observation gets endlessly derailed as I have to explain practically every element (how can someone have two husbands, why would you have a women-only disco, and often, indeed, what's a bulletin board). None of which I mind answering, but it does tend to eat into one's repartee. And totally change the point of the chat, which was for two coworkers to lightly amuse each other, not to conduct a seminar. I dislike very much feeling as though some components of my life are weighty when they seem so simple. I like Barbelith because they feel much more lightly carried, here.


I don't really use other boards as much as I might. I've been looking at livejournal communities a bit - there's an odd additional feature, that you can follow back comments to personal blogs, which doesn't happen here. Although one can find the journals of posters, the mechanisms are more tricky. It's sometimes good to be able to read more of someone's writing, if a poster is very intelligent and likeable, or to find out straight away if someone else is always an unspeakable idiot. On Barbelith, it's much more fragmented; people crop up in different threads but it takes time to get a coherent sense of them. Meeting people in real life speeds up that process for me.

Hope you have fun here, woolly.
 
 
Ex
13:55 / 08.09.05
(Sorry, that was my response that was rambling, not the admirably concise ones above me. See what happens when the untrained ninge? Bad things.)
 
 
woolly
14:26 / 08.09.05
Right. Is done. Have included as much as poss in my word count, but things have been missed out along the way because of length. And also because of doing this seriously against the clock. Apologies.

Some people's contributions are also features in themselves, so I've kind of kept hold of them for formulating other ideas. This is one of those pieces that you start doing and realise it's absolutely enormous.

I'm going to send people I've quoted with user names (or, in the most part) those without user names PMs with their quotes in them -- had to do slight edits to some -- so they can check that it's all ok.

Thanks very very much for your replies. And also....

I thought I recognised your writing style from FHM
Ha. I bloody wish. Bet they pay very well.

I look forward to candles* and derogatory comments.

*not actually true.
 
 
Sax
14:43 / 08.09.05
Think the Guardian'll go for "we found love on a message board", then?
 
 
Quantum
14:46 / 08.09.05
Take a Break will.
 
 
Ariadne
14:48 / 08.09.05
If you find love on a message board that you access to alleviate boredom at work, does it count as a office romance?
Do we know when this is going to be published? Tomorrow?
 
 
woolly
14:59 / 08.09.05
Won't be published tomorrow -- maybe Monday? Think it is being thought of for then, but may be held over for a week beause the paper is relaunching in new shape etc. Would be exciting if it was in new paper.
I once knew someone who worked for Take A Break. I think she quite liked it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:04 / 08.09.05
Funny if I end up reading it for work... or better yet, miss it by accident because I'm dicking around online...
 
 
woolly
15:18 / 08.09.05
If you find love on a message board that you access to alleviate boredom at work, does it count as a office romance?
Eggsactly what I was thinking ... prob not in terms of stationary cupboard snogs and the like. Has anyone actually ever snogged someone in a stationary cupboard? Ours are like wardrobes with shelves... have no idea how you would be able to physically do it.
 
 
woolly
15:47 / 08.09.05
I have had word ...

Feature will be in the paper on Monday. Which is very exciting because it is the first ever Berliner size Guardian, and we will all be in it. I am quite pleased.

It's going in the office hours section, which used to be inside Media, but not sure where that will be in the new paper, as things are changing around.

Have to go to ikea now. I hate ikea more than anything

thatisallthankyou
 
 
Triplets
16:04 / 08.09.05
ikea where you're coming from...

(I am so sorry)

Thanks, wooly, will keep an eye out for it on Monday. Hope you get a lot of good feedback on this one!
 
 
grant
16:17 / 08.09.05
Has anyone actually ever snogged someone in a stationary cupboard?

No, only the moving kind. On a train.

Actually, back when I worked at a grocery chain in college, the dairy cooler in the stockroom was quite the spot. I always felt like I should knock before going in there to get milk.

In offices, I think that's the perk of having an executive office. Not that I ever succeeded in getting corporate girlfriends to get affectionate on the clock, but still. I'm positive someone must have.
 
 
Quantum
16:23 / 08.09.05
'I once knew someone who worked for Take A Break. I think she quite liked it. '
I got interviewed recently by a TaB spinoff magazine (Fate and Fortune) I'm all for it! Trashmagtastic! It'll be cool to see Barbelith in the Berliner paper (was looking at that news today) will the first one say 'Ich bin ein Berliner' d'you think?
Ikea- my god, the poor thing. Does anyone think we'll see woolly again? The horror...
 
 
sleazenation
16:29 / 08.09.05
Has anyone actually ever snogged someone in a stationary cupboard? Ours are like wardrobes with shelves

From what I read in Private Eye, isn't it more the cafeteria rather than the stationary cupboard that provides a hunting ground for such shenanigans at Guardian towers?
 
 
Loomis
18:14 / 08.09.05
Will the piece be online? Us message board types like to read the paper online while at work.
 
 
Sax
18:25 / 08.09.05
So will this be in G2 or Media Guardian, then, Woolly? And is it going to Berliner format on Monday? I thought that was in November or something.
 
 
■
20:03 / 08.09.05
They brought it forward by three weeks when no-one was looking.
 
 
Smoothly
20:30 / 08.09.05
It's generated a lot of coverage on TV news though, and the 'Ich bin ein Berliner' line has already been done to death by caption writers everywhere.
 
  

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