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Essential Dazzler
23:20 / 20.07.05
Conscience: What's your excuse tonight James?
ME: erm........celebrating Frank Quitely's Eisner win?
Conscience: That's was your excuse the last three days
ME: But it's a great excuse! Fran......
Conscience: No! This isn't the time or place to fly into unsolicted rants justifying Frank Quitely's stylisitc quirks! Bad James.
 
 
Shrug
04:29 / 14.01.06
There should be an astringent rule about The Barb: Tooo drunk to read too drunk to post.
That being said; should I have discriminately dismissed that nice man? Answers on a postcard to......
 
 
Shrug
04:37 / 14.01.06
OMG I am teh Barbelush.
 
 
BlueMeanie
02:22 / 15.01.06
It's about 4 ub the morning and I'm more drunk than I dhould be. at leasy I'm not hiccupping like I was earliuer. ?That sucked.
 
 
Triplets
23:27 / 15.01.06
Love
LOve w8u=ll tear ya apart again
again
 
 
Shrug
02:17 / 11.03.06
Hello!
You know who you are. Sweet dreams.
 
 
Shrug
02:19 / 11.03.06
Plus where is Dr. Argentum?
 
 
Shrug
02:21 / 11.03.06
Btw: My pelvis/hip just made a clicking sound which can't be good?
 
 
Shrug
02:25 / 11.03.06
Still, it's all not very much in the spirit of Barbelush so:

Whajt happends jif I..... *passes out*
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:54 / 14.03.06
So, is this revolution starting any time soon? 'Cause I volunteer for the frontline.

I can’t seem to face up to the facts
I’m tense and nervous and I
Can’t relax
I can’t sleep ’cause my bed’s on fire
Don’t touch me I’m a real live wire

Psycho killer
Qu’est que c’est
Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away

shyeah!!!
 
 
Triplets
01:10 / 09.04.06

i was making a potnoodle just then

and a cup of tea

poured the fucking soy sauce into my tea

"oh ffs"

tea in the sink

put the kettle back on
 
 
Saint Keggers
01:19 / 09.04.06
Potnoodle?
 
 
Triplets
01:22 / 09.04.06
This:



Tasty and fairly unhealthy rehydratable noodle snackage in general. That flavour in particular.

Comes with a little soy sauce soldier packette inside the tub. But we know how that turned out.
 
 
Saint Keggers
01:27 / 09.04.06
Ah! It's what I thought. bit disapointed. Though there was some strange foreign and fabulous way to make noodl;es. Oh well.
 
 
petunia
01:51 / 29.04.06
i'm drunk

and happy to be on barbelith

but sad that it isnt living up to my dreams.

sad that barbelith is soooo slow.

I read barbelith for a good year or two before joining and was excited by the new approch it gave to internet discussion. the fact that it aimed for more that just a 'LOL'-fest. The fact that barbelith seemed somewhere that people came to really deal with what needs dealing with and take it into the world around them.

And i still think it's those things.
But i think it seems slow. Maybe it's like [insert name] said - the internet version of the 'slow food' movement. It's GOOD that people actually read posts first and then think about what they post in reply. It's GOOD that people speak in full sentances and give references to what they say.

I argued agaisnt someone recently for saying that barbelith is very cliquey and slightly unwelcoming. But i'm starting to see wha tthey mean. I still see that people cant be expected to be best-buddies straight-off, and i dont want that.

However, i see in this 'space' (i never know which metaphor to use..) an.. oldness. There lies within the very discussions held here the fact that a lot of the posters have been here for nearly half a decade.

If you go to vashti bunyan's website, she give excellent story to her experiences of moving to the outer-hebrides - how the community was very insular and dissaproved wholly and in an outspoken manner to her and her husband moving into their community.

This isn't like that. I'm not being ignored. Nor are any of the other new posters.

But this board (thos 'community') definitely has its groundrules. and the fact that they aren't written doesnt mean they aren't there. I read on the wiki that you can post whatever you want, but you will be called up on it. Since readin this, i have seen a member banned for questioning the holocaust (no, i don't want to deny it either, but blocking out people's questions doesn't really deal with them, does it) and another banned for misogyny.

I don't doubt the rationale behind these decisions. If this is to be considered a community, then we are to make sure that overly negative elements are cut away - jsut as immigrants with a poor criminal record are kept out of the country.


I'm going off track. I dont disagree with the recent bannings. But following the debates involved (especially with the shadowsax case) it seems that people were unlikely to post a view that didn't conform with that of 'most' (ie the hard-core of posters).

It seems there is a certain element to barbelith that consists of those who have been here a long time. I feel the culture of the place is formed around these posters. This is inevitable, seeing as they have produced the most of what is Barbelith - being made of its posts, it depends on the posters. But i feel there are certain limits and boundaries set by these 'posting conventions' that constrict the n00b and (this is my main concern) the nature of barbelith as a whole.

As an 'outsider' who believes somewhat in the ideal of barbelith as a revolutionary force for growth, healing and progress, i'm inclined to ask "has barbelith stunted its own growth?"

Are the rules already set for this game?

Is barbelith no more than a chess board?

I would preview and edit this post, but i'm drunk!

LONG LIVE THE LUSH!!!!!!!

and yeah. i bitch and i moan, but i fully admit i wouldn't be happy on any other board (or 'online community')

and just cos the lush is somewhere we're allowed to say what we want. CUNT!!! BALLS!!! COCKSUCK!!! MOTHERFUCKING SON OF A WHORE!!!!!!!!


ahhh.
 
 
petunia
02:08 / 29.04.06
sorry.
i'm sorry now.
I love you guys *sobs*
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
02:11 / 29.04.06
Does seem a bit slow. I was without internet for a while, and now that I have access it does seem a little slower. What happened to the lateshift? That was good stuff.

Personally, I try to avoid the "serious issue" threads, not because I don't care, but because someone typicaly says the same thing I would say earlier, and more eloquently. I dig the convo, comics and G&G fora, mostly.

There used to be more drunk people in the convo, though. I miss that. I'm drunk on Steel Reserve ($5.99/ 12-pack, 8.1%ABV: The crack cocaine of beer) and watching the NBA Finals, and I can't help but think that there would have been at least three or four other drunken Barbeloids posting nonsense eight or nine months ago. I'm sure it'll come around again.
 
 
lekvar
07:03 / 29.04.06
I'm drunk on dissappointment and vodka, which is the crack of... something. It took me four tries to spell "something" correctly. Gnosis, the Crack of Beers is Old English 800 Ice. It's tagline should be "works every time," or possibly "been down so long it looks like up to me."
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
07:27 / 29.04.06
S'not beer, though. OE is malt liquor. Steel Reserve is actual beer, "High Gravity Lager," in fact, whatever the fuck that is. Tastes a bit different than malt liquor. Sort of like Schaeffer with a bit of vodka in it. Vile, but vile in a delicious, delicious way.
 
 
Ganesh
07:59 / 29.04.06
Okay, this is very probably the wrong place to respond to this but, since you bring it up.

I dont disagree with the recent bannings. But following the debates involved (especially with the shadowsax case) it seems that people were unlikely to post a view that didn't conform with that of 'most' (ie the hard-core of posters).

If that's what you genuinely think, then I'm forced to concede that, in at least one of its main aims, the ShadowSax discussion thread failed. This disappoints me, because I was aware that people were uncomfortable 'contradicting' certain posters in the Women-Friendly or Moderator Actions thread, but had hoped that, by opening discussion in a separate thread and welcoming every viewpoint, those who held a 'non-conforming' viewpoint but were too timid to post it might feel freer to speak up. The fact that such individuals (and the fact that thirty-odd people chose to PM Tom Coates rather than post in the thread confirms that they exist) were evidently still unable to voice their opinions publicly makes me slightly sad - and makes me wonder in what circumstances they would speak up.

I think it's worth pointing out that "'most'" doesn't map onto "hard-core" here (in that the majority opinion doesn't automatically = the collective opinion of the "hard-core", however we're defining them) and that, even among long-term/frequent posters, there is no unified opinion: my opinion is different from Haus's opinion is different from Flyboy's opinion.

Using the ShadowSax case as an example, what changes would've had to be made to the process for those who didn't voice an opinion publicly to feel comfortable in so doing?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:24 / 29.04.06
That's depressing.

I don't really rip people's lungs out.
Just so's you guys know.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:00 / 29.04.06
I feel the dynamic .trampetunia talks about is there, and is inevitable, and that those who count as longterm, hardcore have earned it, but that there certainly is an unspoken hierarchy that would be very hard to dismantle, or to neutralise in an individual thread.

Longterm contributors have met regularly, have formed loyalties, friendships, romantic bonds; have developed respect and affection for each other. Even if a sense of dispute or dislike comes across among these contributors, it's still deeper than anything I could feel for .trampetunia, for instance, or s/he for me.

On the ShadowSax thread the question came up, and was apparently put back down, as to whether some posters carry more "value" than others and would tip a balance: if one big name says s/he's leaving, then that carries more weight than someone threatening to leave after six months and 500 posts. The idea of top trumps, with some people worth more textually and in terms of community than others, was set aside as I say, but I still think it's there really. You still see one old-guard poster referring to another as a long-term, valued and respected contributor, and I think it's very probably the case that people are allowed more slack and space because of what they've put in, over the last five years.

Again, I think that's inevitable and in a way, it's not just understandable but right. If Haus' contributions have been 80% intelligent, helpful, charitable, well-meaning and useful since 2001, then that does, and I think should, give some leeway if 20% of the time his approach to debate seemed inclined to bring out the worst in his antagonist. Just an example: I'm not saying those percentages reflect reality.

But I do feel there's a top-table here, and that those belonging to that high team will be able to get back-up in a way that others can't hope to. Of course, those who've been around longest and contributed most are some of the sharpest, most dedicated and best-informed people on the board too ~ that's why they've stayed here, and that's why they have earned affection & respect. But that does mean that if you disagree with one old-timer, you're likely to get three pals down on you, who also happen to be not just some of the most intelligent and confident people in the community, but the people who are prepared to spend hours on a Barbelith argument.

I don't regard myself as an internet shrinking violet, but I feel it's not worth raising my head above the parapet in that kind of situation, to get it blasted off. If I disagreed strongly with someone like Mordant, Nina or Ganesh I'd really have to consider if it was worth the fight, because I'd know it was going to be a long one with the odds actually stacked against me. So I've tended to be meeker and back down sooner or not bother, because it doesn't seem worth bringing down that kind of thunder.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:04 / 29.04.06
NB. should be moved to Policy
 
 
Ganesh
09:09 / 29.04.06
Yeah, does anyone mind if I cut & paste this stuff to the post-banning thread? I think it's all relevant.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:19 / 29.04.06
It's not like all the 'Lith top trumps agree with each other all the time, just because we're all mates and drink in the same pubs and that. I mean, I came pretty close to ripping 'Nesh's trunk off a few times during the ShadowSax thing. People often get in spats with the posters you've namechecked--in fact, I'd say that some of them come in for a disproportionate amount of stick, and aren't always backed up because people kind of assume they can look after themselves.

It's a bit fucked up if people genuinely feel like they can't challenge certain posters just because they're percieved as big names. Surely if you've got a strong opinion about something, it's worth risking a bit of flak to voice it?

(I can't actually do thunder either. That's just what the superstitious peasants in the Temple tell their children to make them behave.)
 
 
Ganesh
09:21 / 29.04.06
I've cut 'n' pasted to Policy, because I think this stuff is all good 'n' relevant.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:57 / 29.04.06
I also suspect some of you weren't drunk.
 
 
petunia
11:23 / 29.04.06
i was....

Now i feel all embarassed...

such is the lush
 
 
petunia
17:34 / 29.04.06
I don't really rip people's lungs out.

I can't actually do thunder either.


But you do control a horde of Viking undead, right?

Please don't take that one away from us.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:54 / 29.04.06
I feel drunk just reading all these posts....
 
 
doozy floop
20:01 / 29.04.06
heeeheee, i'm a little tiny bit drunk and i've got a job interview nex t week!!!!
harharharhar, kiss my bum current employer....
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:29 / 29.04.06
I'm drunk now (I only realised to what extent while on the phone to my mother), and intend to get drunker...

...but it could all go horribly wrong, as I was planning on getting drunk quietly and maybe playing some games or watching some films, but I've just drunkenly agreed to dogsit for a friend... which means my dog'll go mental, and I'll have TWO mental dogs to cope with while I drink.

As long as they leave my beer alone, I should be fine...
 
 
Ganesh
20:37 / 29.04.06
mental dogs

Having just recovered from the bittersweet blubfest that was tonight's Doctor Who (plus too much red wine), I initially misread that as 'metal dogs' and started to well up again.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
21:13 / 29.04.06
I went to the bar for lunch and to watch a bit of the NFL Draft, and ended up having a bit more than the couple of beers and a sandwich I was intending. Is there anything more hyped and less interesting than the NFL Draft weekend? I don't even know who the fuck these guys are after the first 15 or so picks. I suppose if I found college football even remotely interesting I might find it a little more riveting.

As long as they leave my beer alone, I should be fine...

Thanks for coining my new motto, Stoatie.

You've got to be careful with animals and beer, though. I've met some notorious lushes that were dogs, and my little pet rabbit will push your beer over and drink it off he floor. He doesn't give a fuck whether it's a nice microbrew porter or a 40 of Bull Ice, he's after it if you set it on the floor. I like to think he takes after me.
 
 
doozy floop
21:15 / 29.04.06
I wish I had a dog. metal or otherwise.
Or a cat.
Or perhaps a small squeaking rodent.
best would be a new job.

oh dear.
 
  

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