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Astonishing X-Men

 
  

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tickspeak
22:29 / 28.07.07
Warren Ellis taking over Astonishing X-Men. Wait, what? Probably a good move for all concerned. If Emma Frost talks like Snow from Planetary, things might be okay.
 
 
This Sunday
22:41 / 28.07.07
I quite liked his fake lecture, the one to demonstrate why he shouldn't write the title. You Are Not Special. Reminding everyone that they're all living on the same planet (which has been missing since Morrison split), and that they're all just people (which has been missing since Milligan split). I'd buy twelve issues predicated on that. It could be like X-Men: The End, without WarSkrulls and stuff.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:19 / 28.07.07
Out of curiousity, have they announced when the fourth trade of Whedon's AXM will be out? Is there enough for one more trade, or will it need to be two?

I am looking forward to the WE run, though I might stick with trade-waiting again.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:50 / 29.07.07
4th trade has not been announced yet, as the story that will be within its pages isn't yet over.

Ellis as writer makes me happy. Bianchi's stuff is great but sometimes appears a bit blurry/blurby or over-rendered (esp. for a superhero book). I'm sure they will rock and prove worthy successors, though.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:22 / 29.07.07
Ellis on the X-Men (specifically, Mozzer & Whedon's runs):

And, you know, there's almost a case to be made that Grant dragged the franchise to the end of the 20th Century, not least by fast-forwarding through the recent history of the superhero comic. The first page of his run is Logan and Scott stabbing and obliterating giant death robots, but within the space of pages, he's reestablished the X-Men as a pacifist team. In fact, they actually fail every time they attempt to default to physical violence to resolve situations, which inverts the whole thing (Joe Casey tried something similar in his Superman run). And then, by the end, he inverts it again with the ultimate act of violence -- loving violence, mind, indulgent violence -- by essentially burning out an entire future. Resetting the X-Men as a team run by sex and violence -- Emma and Scott. And the first thing Joss does is to put them back in the fetish gear, send them out to beat up everyone they see in the name of Acceptance Into The Society -- pacifists in municipal worker's gear didn't cut it, but a crew of gimp suits smacking people around brings them the love of the culture!

(And, in fact, how does that play out post-Civil War, a place where it has been rendered impossible to draw comfort from the image of a team of people in superhero-styled uniforms running towards you? Are they Tony Stark's fartcatchers taking the government's silver, or are they dangerous rogues who refuse to work with the authorities in a safe and responsible way? In the Marvel Universe, the superhero costume is a more ambiguous and unsettling symbol than ever before.)


[From an interview about his upcoming run.]

Pretty interesting, the current zeitgeist's relationship with the superhero costume, and X-Men as Sex/Violence or Love & Pacifism.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:29 / 29.07.07
I can't imagine Ellis being a writer who'd turn a blind eye to an artist delivering inconsistent or confusing art, so hopefully this should keep Bianchi's excesses in check. I'm not exactly convinced he's a good fit for the X-Men, but this may just be because he was recently saddled with drawing a Jeph Loeb Wolverine run that reached Chuck Austen like levels of "how did this get signed off?" badness.

Another source of foreboding is that "this is what I would have had Emma Frost say at the start of term" piece that Ellis aired a few years back, which was symptomatic of his worst period of New Scientist article regurgitation. Still, his recent team work for Marvel (NextWave, Thunderbolts) has been some of his strongest stuff since the heady days of early Authority/Planetary, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
 
The Falcon
19:59 / 29.07.07
Yeah, in a lot of ways it is as though Marvel has - again - looked into my heart and asked 'well, Duncan, how can we still make a saleable future out of this title (so no Adam Warren, soz) and yet maintain your own personal interest?' I can't really think of many ways they could have done it better, really; Brubaker's great, but his X-stuff is subpar, and I'm unconvinced that Fraction is a fit for the job. So.

I really like Bianchi, too, lush stuff - that ink and water, sort of Heavy Metal stuff, and reread Shining Knight the other day without terribly much halt from visual non-sequiturs like Gloriana eating her apple. Fairly comprehensible, I thought. It's the only thing of his I've actually read properly, though.

Really, I can't imagine it - prescriptively, anyway - having turned out better. [Caveat: I can, actually, because I can imagine X-23 not having been disconcertingly in the preview image.]
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:06 / 29.07.07
Well, Ellis notes in the interview that he has *not* decided on - or at least, isn't announcing - his core line-up of X-people. Presumably only Wolverine is guaranteed, purely because he's become an industry injoke at this point and *must* be included. X-23 -- well, there's always the possibility that Ellis could do something interesting with her.
 
 
The Falcon
20:20 / 29.07.07
Well, I guess; there's always the somewhat dubious Wolverine & teen female companion (Kitty, Jubilee) thing that Morrison - not enormously successfully, imo - inverted with Angel, but she is, like, his actual daughter. I dunno if much has been done with that? There could be something there, I guess.
 
 
This Sunday
20:58 / 29.07.07
I think Wolverine's more concerned with his son, these days. You know, the one with the bad hair that appears in that Origins series?

I think I'd like to see Ellis write Nightcrawler. He did it well enough, before, and the Ellis plans for moving into the future seemed to fit in his mouth better than they would in Cyclops'. Plus, Ellis could probably do a whole issue of Wolvie and Nightcrawler drinking and BSing. I'd like that.
 
 
FinderWolf
00:53 / 24.08.07
new issue out - some really fun stuff here. I don't really think [THE CHARACTER REFERRED TO HERE] is in any real danger -- although there was some buzz a while ago that the end of Whedon's run would leave some characters 'in a very different place than they were at the beginning', but they always say that sort of thing, don't they...?
 
 
Eskay Uno
02:54 / 24.08.07
Yup. I liked the twist with Danger, and how much more human it made... her? it? Whatev. Good character work.

Emma was great too. GM and Joss have really done some interesting work with Emma and I'm really looking forward to Ellis's run for his take. Does anyone have a link to that "you are not special" speach mentioned above?

Cassady also continues to impress. With his run almost done and only one more Planetary left, any word on what he's doing next?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:22 / 24.08.07
Cassaday told Joe Q. and the public at the recent Chicago ComicCon that after years of non-stop work, he wanted to take "a long rest." (Pencilling & inking ASTONISHING, pencilling & inking PLANETARY, doing design and art direction for that LONE RANGER miniseries, and other side art commissions/advertising/design jobs.)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:39 / 26.08.07
Pretty looking issues but other than the thing with Danger and the fake-out with Cyclops death not much happened.

I never liked Danger and I don't like this thing where suddenly she's not actually advanced enough to override her safety protocols which, when she was the plain old Danger Room, happened more often than holodeck malfunctions in Star Trek. Frankly Joss should have stuck her in the decoy ship so that particularly weak plotline was brought to conclusion.

Although I don't intend to stay around for Ellis' run, I do hope that when Cyclops comes back from the dead he does so in his current mental state, not the old brain damaged, tortured version we've had to put up with for decades.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
23:53 / 08.11.07
#23 is out now. I feel I'm obviously too invested in this book to comment on it properly, a few pages from the end I made the loudest cry of joy a comic has ever elicited from me.

The Leviathan Question from last issue is cleared up in an amazing moment of ingenuitive comic storytelling. And the final few pages? GOOD.
 
 
Mug Chum
00:00 / 09.11.07
I caught a few pages contrasting the last month issue's panels with this issue's. Pretty good. Pre-tay, pre-tay, pretty good. It put Cyclops into a perspective I've never seen before, awesomely functional.

A question I have is about during his floating in space on the last issue with his life flashing before his eyes. Two that were memories for sure were Jean and Charles. But is Emma's "so close" his memory of her having an orgasm? I presumed it was her on some telephatic link that would be explained later on. So... his first love, his fartherly approval and his current girlfriend having an orgasm? I thought a big moment for remembering was she telling him to toughen up and live life on Jean's grave (their kissing on Mozzie's last issue).
 
 
Essential Dazzler
00:13 / 09.11.07
I (after reading #23) read it that Emma could feel that she wasn't on Scott's people-you-must-hallucinate-before-or-as-you-are-dying list, but knew that she was close.

Actually, I'm pretty much 100% certain this is the case.

Because it makes sense, and is very, very simple.
 
 
Mug Chum
00:42 / 09.11.07
Holy shit, that's heart-breaking...

I should check Whedon's run in its entirety. Sounds really good. Even if I feel Emma would be a big part in his memories if only for pushing him in that graveyard scene (regardless, that was some fine comic book writing right there).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:46 / 09.11.07
I'm kind of embarrassed by the conversation above. Yes, it's a sexual memory. Yes, it's a memorable moment in his life. Does this really need to be explained?
 
 
Mug Chum
07:05 / 09.11.07
Apparently, from the conversation above, I think you do.

Please forgive me for embarassing you by reading just last pages briefly on Scans icky Daily.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
09:19 / 09.11.07
People don't have sex in comics.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
15:56 / 09.11.07
Oh God, I am a gigantic moron aren't I? I'm never going near a comic or the internet again after 12 units, no matter how excited I am.
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:44 / 11.11.07
I think I loved the last page of that recent issue more than anything I've seen in comics since Jack Frost walked into nothingness. Ranks right up there with Cliff rescuing Jane from our world.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:40 / 30.11.07
various sites and Marvel solicits are saying that Whedon & Cassaday will end their X-Men run with an Annual - Astonishing X-Men Annual #1. I'm confused - is this in addition to their finishing the story arc in the monthly book, or instead of (like DC has recently done with Kurt Busiek's much-delayed 'Camelot Falls' storyline, Heinberg's final issue of Wonder Woman and supposedly, the final part of Johns, Donner & Kubert's "Last Son" arc)?

Marvel solicits also say that 'one of the X-Men won't be walking away from' the final Whedon story. He wouldn't really "kill" an X-Men, would he? Maybe the solicit really means the character will instead be crawling away... or something.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:59 / 30.11.07
He wouldn't really "kill" an X-Men, would he? Maybe the solicit really means the character will instead be crawling away... or something.

Why not? He revived one, Colossus, after all. Maybe he's got to put one toy in the box for every one he takes out? Maybe Piotr has to fall for the status quo to resume.

When's the next trade out, for god's sake? I'm being very good and not even byrne-stealing the floppies while I wait for the trade!
 
 
FinderWolf
13:47 / 30.05.08
Well, no one seems to be talking about this here, but Whedon & Cassaday end their run with a pretty terrific issue. New status quo for a few characters by the end, beautiful art by Cassaday... I'll hold off on spoilers for a little bit. Worth checking out. Truly.
 
 
Quimper
13:55 / 30.05.08
One of the best runs of a comic ever.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
15:15 / 30.05.08
A mostly competent X-Men story marred by being too long, failing to work in single issue form, never hitting it's ship date and having a fairly poor final issue, the contents of which were either incredibly predicatble, already spoiled, or both.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
15:19 / 30.05.08
Enjoyed it though, I suppose.

And to be fair, I wouldn't have predicted about half the issue focussing on characters that have never appeared in the run so far.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
17:22 / 30.05.08
I do think the Agent Brand thing is so hot I may need alone time to consider it.
 
 
LDones
17:46 / 30.05.08
Was pleased with it. Confident writing. In trades, all the Whedon/Cassady stuff will be a nice successor to Morrison's NXM on a shelf.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:27 / 18.06.08
Two minutes -- well, weeks -- after the Giant-Sized special conclusion thing, the final trade is out. I'm excited to read it, hoping they don't bore me to tears.
 
 
Spaniel
07:38 / 20.06.08
Spoilers


The cosmic missile felt sort of arbitrary, but it was beautifully written on just about every other level. Shame the series as whole has been so delayed/patchy
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:01 / 20.06.08
I enjoyed it, but it didn't knock my socks off. The cosmic bullet idea felt very zeitgeist, and when combined with Cassady's artwork it caused me to feel like I was reading Planetary. Agent Brand's big reveal was a little -- I don't know. I think it would have been more interesting if Hank had deduced it, and the apparent personality shift felt a little forced.

I liked the ending, particularly in what it said about the X-Men's relationship with death and endings -- it treads much the same ground that Morrison did with the Emma/Scott graveyard scene but doesn't need to say it, it's more of an atmosphere than something for snide Emma to comment on.

It was all about the Scott/Emma relationship for me, I think. Loved the faux-Star Wars back-to-back fighting and relationship talk.

I can't say I really cared that much about the Breakworld or its people. Which may have been the point, but as far as alien worlds go I don't think it's much of a keeper.

It was a good final trade, and I'll probably reread the whole run in the near future for the full effect, but it didn't grip me as much as I expected it to. I think the emphasis on the Earthbound heroes was a bit "too little, too late," in that it wasn't woven through enough to justify their using up X-pages -- it's like the big arctic encounter over in Hitch/Millar's Fantastic Four; the new paradigm that Civil War has established is that all the Marvel Heroes have to get together and face random big threats on a fairly regular basis now, but they have to pay lip service to why they're not at each other's throats, and it's really just to remind the readers that this, yes, a shared universe and what happens in one book will effect another, although that's also only lip service. "Oh shit," they think. "Big war-fleet coming to Earth! Guess we better hear from the Avengers!" Even though we're more interested in what's going on with the actual main characters dealing with the actual situation.

Hisako can stay, though I'm not a fan of "Armor." Missing a 'u' for one thing. It's nice to see some genuine new blood (particularly post-M-Day) and I hope she continues to kick around as a new breed of X; I still love the reference to her in Runaways when they encounter the future Gert.

So, not a bad ending. I was more entranced with the third and fourth trades of Peter David's current X-Factor, though, even with the spotty art and presence of Layla Miller, which is probably saying something.
 
 
Spaniel
17:29 / 20.06.08
I think the lack of grippage was largely down to the Breakworld concept. I'd much rather see the X-Men doing other things.
 
  

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