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7 Soldiers

 
  

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FinderWolf
19:18 / 20.01.05
I was wondering about that too, given Cameron's statement that the characters on that cover are not the 7 in the series proper.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
00:17 / 21.01.05
Finder, Frazer answered me your question about the Lloyd influence at Andy Diggle's Forum.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:41 / 21.01.05
Jack: I'm thinking, yes. They're all going to die. It will be excellent.
 
 
grant
17:26 / 21.01.05
That's it, I'm starting a Seven Soldiers Annotations page over at the new wiki.

And I'm putting some of the stuff that's already here over there now. Join the fun.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:59 / 21.01.05
Big article with Peter Tomasi, the editor of 7 Soldiers, on the series:

http://www.newsarama.com/Road_Dec_04/Soldier_Eight.htm
 
 
uncle retrospective
17:24 / 22.01.05
Link to previews on the DC site. ZATANNA #1 looks really, really weird. Bunnies!
 
 
Jack Fear
12:05 / 23.01.05
From that Newsarama piece:

...throughout history legends have spoken of a mysterious Seven Soldiers who awaken from their sleep to protect the planet Earth in times of dire emergency.

More echoes of King Arthur, yeah? But the Shining Knight of Giorgio's SEVEN SOLDIERS looks to be a a new character, more Germanic than British--which throws the connection to Camelot in doubt. Still, Arthur is hardly the only hero of legend who is rumored to slumber unril he returns to save his people...

This story focuses on seven people of today who have, quite unwittingly, been born to fill the shoes of the true Seven Soldiers. Seven people - not necessarily heroes - gifted with unusual talents or cursed by powers beyond their understanding - will hold the key to the world's salvation.

An interesting spin that may justify the name. They're soldiers, yes--but not adventurers or mercenaries: they've been conscripted.

Only by studying the whole pattern do we realize how these seven people work together without knowing it. Each of them is moved perfectly into position by the actions of the others to be in exactly the right place at the right time to save the world.

And one bullet in the right place...
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
16:58 / 23.01.05
There are legends throughout the world that foretell the return of both real people and fictional characters who will defend their country in time of need: in addition to King Arthur, I can also think of Barbarossa and George Washington.
 
 
Warewullf
12:40 / 24.01.05



Oooooooh!

From Lying in the Gutters.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:11 / 24.01.05
totally off topic, but does anyone know the story behind that Shanna comparison shot... what the hell is it? And why would any artist think they could get Marvel to publish huge naked breasts? is there even nudity in MAX titles? I can't remember.
 
 
Krug
17:15 / 24.01.05
/totally off topic, but does anyone know the story behind that Shanna comparison shot... what the hell is it?/

IIRC, it's a MAX book that got changed to PG-13 or whatever.

/And why would any artist think they could get Marvel to publish huge naked breasts? is there even nudity in MAX titles? I can't remember./

Yep.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
18:58 / 24.01.05
It would seem that while publishing drawings of breasts is taboo in a Marvel Age title, publishing drawings of raptors gouging a man's eye out and tearing off half of his face is not.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
23:32 / 25.01.05
>>I think if anyone can pull this off it will be Morrison

Whereas I think if anyone could pull of a series of this complexity it would be Alan Moore.

Other figures who are asleep, waiting to save their country in times of need include Til Eugenspiel and Christian Roosenkreutz, both of whom, interestingly, are German.
 
 
grant
13:54 / 26.01.05
And Barbarossa. Can't forget him -- it's basically him who becomes president in Little, Big.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:40 / 26.01.05
A sidebar:

Other figures who are asleep, waiting to save their country in times of need include Til Eugenspiel and Christian Roosenkreutz...

I can only assume you mean Till Eulenspiegel? That's a new one on me: I unerstood him to be a trickster figure, not a hero as such.

As for Christian Rosenkreutz, I have my grave doubts as to how "authentic" this legend is. That is: research seems to indicate that the Rosicrucian movement began as a hoax, or more likely as wishful thinking, and its founding mythology was invented from whole cloth to give it an air of mystry and therefore power: the myth is kept alive by followers who weren't in on the original joke.

So telling me that people await the day of Christian Rosenkreutz's resurrection is rather like saying there's a legend that J.R. "Bob" Dobbs lies sleeping in the earth. The story may have passed into quasui-legendary status, but it's a synthetic legend, rather than one arising from the genuine folkloric process.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:22 / 26.01.05
And why would any artist think they could get Marvel to publish huge naked breasts? is there even nudity in MAX titles? I can't remember

It's what they were created for, surely. And heads coming apart.
 
 
_Boboss
15:39 / 26.01.05
'genuine folkloric process'?

is that the one with a little sticker on it saying '100% honest to guv'nor trooth'? or are all legends and folktales just made up by human beings, often drunk, trying to come up with a good story to suit their purposes?

so aristocratic central-europeans wanted a jesus myth, because, really, they weren't so fond of jesus, perhaps because they couldn't see what a desert prophet could say to people more concerned with towns, villages and black forest gateaux? and this is somehow 'fake'? i just don't get that.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:39 / 26.01.05
Not speaking of Arthur, Barbarossa, et al—but specifically of Rosenkreutz, who is more properly a literary figure than a folkloric one: that is, he was invented by a single author whose name we know, his first appearance is easily traceable, his stories did not come out of the oral tradition, were not of the common people but for an audience educated in specific esoteric disciplines...

There are rules to this stuff, you know? Or at least loose guidelines. And the character of Christian Rosenkreutz doesn't fall under any of those guidelines.
 
 
_Boboss
08:23 / 27.01.05
'There are rules to this stuff, you know? Or at least loose guidelines'

really? who sets them? hit me with the links if you please. genuinely interested, not just on the snark - rules for establiching a concrete difference between fiction and folklore sound like they'd be worth tackling.
 
 
Mario
22:07 / 27.01.05
I'd say that the difference between fiction and folklore is that when folklore is spread, the storyteller believes it to be true, and it's origins are lost in the mist of time.

With fiction, it has a clear origin, and that person KNOWS it's false.
 
 
diz
22:54 / 27.01.05
'There are rules to this stuff, you know? Or at least loose guidelines'

really? who sets them?


folklorists, probably. they do hand out PhDs for that, you know.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
23:16 / 27.01.05
There is also a distinction, I feel, about folklore belonging to a "people", a community, and changing over generations as it's passed on through various different interpretations -- as opposed to something owned by an individual or company, with set rules and parameters.

It remains an interesting question to me whether Batman and Luke Skywalker, for instance, could eventually pass into more of a "folk" tradition, belonging to fans and kept alive by the many different tales told by fans, rather than owned by a corporation.
 
 
_Boboss
07:58 / 28.01.05
'phd professors'

ah, see i don't go to school any more, so am free to disregard their rulings on such things.

thanks for all this good thought-food. though batman, as an example, is something owned and regulated by a specific company (or non-specific megacorporation really, but nevermind that), i'd argue that fact is meaningless to the majority or at least a huge proportion of batman's end-users. i was aware of batman, and with friends in the playground had created dozens of batman stories, long before i had heard of dc or bob kane. of the many people who were running around with parkas-for-capes (ahh, such days...), i'm probably the only one who has the faintest idea who bob kane is.

i think the same applies to christian rosenkreutz. the first translation of the tale from german into french and then english signified a huge step away, a democratisation if you like, from the intent or control of the originators of the idea. despite professed allegiances, the early cells of rosicrucians around europe were not homogenous entities because, as with all things, they were populated by different individuals operating in different political and social realities.

despite the best efforts of academics and copyright-lawyers, fictions are just too slippery to be controlled by, well, 'rules'. that's why we like playing with them.

i reckon.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:31 / 28.01.05
>> Grant Morrison will do a lot to promote Seven Soldiers.

>> Including passing a mini-refridgerator through his digestive system it seems.

Yeah, Grant screaming with the fury of his 'mad ideas' seems kind of funny on that promotional poster for Seven Soldiers...
 
 
Jack Fear
16:37 / 28.01.05
Actually, it looks kinda like he's yawning.
 
 
Eskay Doss
18:00 / 28.01.05
Maybe he's getting Millared?
 
 
Jack Fear
18:10 / 28.01.05
Maybe. God knows Mark Millar's comics make me yawn.
 
 
grant
18:39 / 28.01.05
i think the same applies to christian rosenkreutz.

Christian Rosenkreutz as fan fiction?

Cool.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
20:47 / 01.02.05
New interview with JH Williams over on Newsarama today, includes colored versions of the pages from DC's original B&W PDF preview (plus one new dialogue-heavy page). This looks insanely gorgeous and goddamn it I'm going to have to pick it up. So many things to buy!
 
 
FinderWolf
12:56 / 02.02.05
That interview (and the colored art) looks amazing. Very cool to see that J.H. is inking his own stuff now. And the bit about Grant suddenly having huge font size for no reason in his scripts and the 'chaotic energy' Williams talks about in Grant's scripts -- good stuff!!

VERY much looking forward to this. I also loved the idea about the DCU NYC having some buildings that were proposed to be built in NYC but never were.
 
 
Aertho
13:19 / 02.02.05
First bookend villains: Sheeda and Sheeda Queen?

We've seen that word before in JLA:Classified. Sheeda. Nebuloh uses it to describe the fairies that brainwashes the Ultramarines I thought. Perhaps not. Somebody got Classified 1 and 2 handy?
 
 
CameronStewart
14:30 / 02.02.05
Yes, the little creatures on the Ultramarines neck were called "Spine Riders of the Sheeda" and that is a deliberate link to Seven Soldiers, as was Neh-Buh-Loh's statement that he came to hunt "the Seven."
 
 
grant
20:43 / 03.02.05
You have given me more meat for the annotations!

Add more! Add more!
 
 
The Falcon
22:49 / 06.02.05
DC Horizon preview:

Cover to #0

Guardian & Shining Knight

Zatanna

Klarion the Witch-Boy - I think this is gonna be my fave.

Frankenstein - looks like top-gear stuff by Mahnke.

Mister Miracle and Bulleteer
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:38 / 06.02.05
I'm not totally sure if I really need to, but I'm definitely going on a diet in time for Klarion, and Zatanna.

It's simply a question of which weightbusters option to go for, I think.
 
  

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