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Morrison's Doom Patrol in Trade Paperbacks

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:10 / 02.02.07
Admittedly, Volume 5 weren't on the new releases shelves when I went in on Thursday, for some reason, but were on the big Grant Morrison display that the shop has set up. No fanfare, which is unusual. If it isn't readily apparent, hunting around in the shop might produce a copy.

The first page with the television broadcast is great.

The moon chapter...I need to read it a few more times and then I'll probably dump some thoughts on here about it. I can certainly see Fanny's journey in it and I did read Invisibles first; it's interesting to see GM's prototype for Fanny's transformation experience.

And I'm so impressed with the way Phil Bond's inks minimize a lot of Richard Case's flaws of the time. The final buzzard call of the Brotherhood of Dada is beautifully rendered. I'd never noticed how thick Bond's inking is.

Hah! John Dandy's pseudo-skin masks are derived from Tot Rodor's Question Technology!

In the middle of my second reading. I'm hoping to fire off some insights soon, especially with regard to Crazy Jane's rebirth -- how sad, Rebis and Jane both experience massive shifts in consciousness in this volume but old Cliff, well, he's stuck as a brain-in-a-jar. Proto-Haus.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:19 / 04.02.07
I still reckon the 'Rebis on the Moon' issue is bobbins, although whether that's the fault of Grant or whether the artist is struggling to interpret the script as we've seen in other Morrison projects like 'Arkham Asylum' or Invisibles 3.2. Both the Rebis and Jane stories read like Morrison forgot to put in some character development earlier in the run, fleshing out some of Kay's real background and establishing their was some disunity in the mixing of Eleanor/Larry and Mercurius, else why does ze go to the moon to lay an egg at that moment in time?

The rest of it is fun though.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:06 / 04.02.07
I reckoned that Rebis goes moonwalking and lays the golden egg to ensure some sort of back-up plan for when the shit hits the fan, as ze knows what Caulder's been up to; they have that confrontation. It also has to do with - as established by the initial masturbation exercize - that zir body is beginning to disintegrate and ze needs to mate a new body to replace it.

Why the moon, I'm not sure, but I thought the initial "having sex with myself" bit was a warm-up routine.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:32 / 04.02.07
So the Ken Steacy-drawn issue is a homage to the famous FF issue (#55, I think) called "This Man, This Monster," I believe...where some guy takes over The Thing's body, right?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:53 / 04.02.07
With some Galactus elements of course.

The Legion of the Strange's "head" arsenal is pretty explicitly what evolved into Superman's All-Star art-gallery-arsenal.
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
01:46 / 05.02.07
Why the moon, I'm not sure

Isn't the Moon a womb-symbol?

Or something.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:05 / 05.02.07
Isn't the Moon a womb-symbol?

*slaps forehead* Good thinking.

Caulder's betrayal, while foreshadowed, does seem a bit, ah, spontaneous - he just shoots Josh like that? Clearly his paranoia was peaking, but I would have liked some evidence of it earlier. Part of the problem with Doom Patrol is that it felt, occasionally, like GM would forget he had the cast he had, focusing on Rebis, Cliff and Jane while forgetting about Dorothy, Josh, and Caulder. Dorothy and Caulder, at least, get to do things and demonstrate personal growth/change -- Josh doesn't quite fit. But, on the other hand, his observations about the Patrol's function as a therapy group for super-freaks suggest more was going on - he was the most adult, and I think his reasons for remaining with the team were never really clarified, although his suspcions over Caulder might be part of that or some wild ennui we're not party to.

Definitely think the Dadaists have been the highlight of the GM run for me, especially the second batch of them. Nobody's final interaction with Cliff, Cliff carrying him over to the painting because he's realized that their war doesn't really exist and the Dadaists are victims as much as villains (but not victimized, oddly -- a weird distinction I'm having trouble grasping onto), and they're just super-freaks like the Patrol, only more self-actualized than our heroes...
 
 
matthew.
15:26 / 05.02.07
I find that Cliff and Buddy Baker share many similarities. Both of them are just standing around watching things out of their control happen. Kind of a common theme in Morrison's early work, I'm sensing. Especially with Cliff, he has no control or power over what transpires. This is humourously shown in the issue where Cliff's brain is in a vat and his body becomes sentient. He can't fight (like he wants to) because everything is abstract.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:38 / 05.02.07
Papers, Grant's always a bit hit and miss when it comes to plot development, look at the second year of his New X-Men run where Jean becomes the Phoenix behind the scenes while we have the Riot at Xaviers. I always found the tour round Danny the Street, Flex Mentallo's origin and the beneath the Pentagon issues great, but the whole wrap-up of that storyline is a bit weak and rushed.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:09 / 06.02.07
Yeah, Doom Patrol is definitely a character/moment driven run versus the more bombastically focused later pieces. In a way it all flows out of Nurnheim in Volume 2 -- they slow the Decreator down (The Red God of Ys!) but there's still entropy, destruction, apocalypse looming in very. Slow. Motion. Meanwhile, the plot fails to move except haphazardly in places and weird shit just happens because the Patrol are walking Weird Shit Magnets.

Is it that they're too passive and self-involved?

There's something there, the Decreation's slowness and the Catastrophe Curve. Something that needs to be stabbed at until it bleeds understanding.

I find that Cliff and Buddy Baker share many similarities. Both of them are just standing around watching things out of their control happen.

Both of them are actively changed by their origin sequences, even if it takes a while for the effect to become apparent. Buddy becomes a vegetarian. Cliff becomes, oddly, a lot more humane, as Caulder suggests, even as he fights against it and doesn't quite get there. His relationship with Jane points toward a more balanced approach to life, even though he's not terribly good at seeing the big picture.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:41 / 06.02.07
Sometimes I think Morrison is writing the comic equivalent of artifact novels (like Arthur C. Clark's Rama novels), where the artifact is the weird and his characters do little more than drift through (see Arkham Asylum, the Doom Patrol in space issues just before the Flex Mentallo storyline, the last couple of issues of Animal Man...) and I tend to find the passive nature of the characters rather boring.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:42 / 06.02.07
Sometimes I think Morrison is writing the comic equivalent of artifact novels (like Arthur C. Clark's Rama novels), where the artifact is the weird and his characters do little more than drift through

Hih. Never thought of it like that but that's a very interesting evaluation.

and I tend to find the passive nature of the characters rather boring.

Could make the argument that superheroes are typically - well, traditionally - more passive and reactive than they are actors. Is it just because what the Doom Patrol and other Morrison protagonists are reacting to is far more abstract or ambiguous than, say, Batman reacting to the Joker's latest killing spree? The Brotherhood of Dada stand out as being anatogonists where the superhero/supervillain polarity is drained of its "evil" - they're Dada, not Evil - the difference between the groups becomes more about the Brotherhood's willingness to be active and seek to fulfill a set goal (even a necessarily nonsensical one). And the second encounter with them is primarily pushed forward by Cliff reacting out of a need to preserve some concept of the status quo that doesn't necessarily exist (while Jane and Rebis follow along behind out of love for Cliff or some desire ease people through the rough transition of states).

Other times the story hinges on Morrison's protagonists moving from states of passivity to activity; Ali mostly reacts to stuff and whines his way through Vimanarama but then abruptly attempts suicide to get help from the Great Beyond (possibly reacting to his own feelings of inadequacy around Ben Rama). All-Star's Superman is becoming active after a long period of status quo passivity - he's connecting with Lois for real, trying to find some common ground with Lex, becoming more active in his life with the threat of death over him -- the immortal is rendered mortal and must move.

Not sure how I'd classify Flex, especially as you have to distinguish the DP's Flex from mini-series Flex. The latter is more of an active player and I'd argue that's because he's as much a part of the artefact-weird as he is encountering it. And how does that relate to the Doom Patrol Flex? He provides much of the initial impetus to go down into the Pentagon to finish up his business and save the day.
 
 
andrewdrilon
20:38 / 12.03.07
Not sure what thread to post this in. It's sad but important news, as it was announced that Doom Patrol creator Arnold Drake died recently at age 73. There's a short bio and it sounds like Mr.Drake was every bit as prolific as Mr.Morrison, if not more (and I seem to remember Mr.Drake once mentioned that Morrison's Doom Patrol was the most faithful to his original intent, which says a lot about the strength of Doom Patrol's core concept, and the imagination of it's creator.) Rest In Peace.
 
 
yichihyon
03:49 / 25.07.07
Any news on when Doom Patrol Vol 6 will be reprinted and will they reprint Doom Force and Flex Mentallo as well? I'm a stickler for complete reprints of all stuff. It's a shame they didn't reprint the Hexy story for the Invisibles.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:01 / 25.07.07
I was given to assume that Doom Force would be included in the Doom Patrol reprints. But, no, as far as I know there's been no word. Possibly Mario or somebody with the cosmic awareness might have an inkling...
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:29 / 01.08.07
Was the Flex Mentallo thing resolved? I might be fantasizing, but IIRC, DC has decided that reprinting Flex within a DP trade will not piss off the Atlas assholes who threatened them with lawsuits. but I could be unhinged slightly...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:40 / 01.08.07
I've heard nothing, but the fact that the Flex issues of Doom Patrol have been reprinted suggests that, properly packaged with the rest of DP, they might be able to slip in the Flex series under the radar. Which would certainly rock, considering I've never held the second issue in my hands and have only the barest memories of a few scans from said comic.
 
 
yichihyon
01:48 / 03.08.07
Absolute Flex Mentallo! Absolute Doom Patrol!
 
 
FinderWolf
01:12 / 18.09.07
from the DC solicits, just released:

>> DOOM PATROL VOL. 6: PLANET LOVE TP

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Written by Grant Morrison
Art by Richard Case, Stan Woch and others

Legendary writer Grant Morrison (ALL STAR SUPERMAN, BATMAN) finishes his fractured remake of this 1960s misfit super-team in this volume collecting DOOM PATROL #58-36 and DOOM FORCE SPECIAL #1. Along the way, the Doom Patrol must face new challenges: Danny the Street meets his cosmic destiny, the bizarre hero known as Rebis battles the Candlemaker, and Crazy Jane attempts to find her place in the world.

Advance-solicited; on sale January 16 •
224 pg, FC, $19.99 US • MATURE READERS
 
 
FinderWolf
01:12 / 18.09.07
i guess that's a typo on the part of the DC people - they mean "66" as the last issue, right?
 
 
electric monk
02:13 / 18.09.07
63, actually. They've reversed the numerals.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:18 / 18.09.07
I hope they never find the copy-checker's body.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:47 / 18.09.07
Crazy Jane attempts to find her place in the world.

Oh man, that's one way of describing the final issue...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:28 / 19.09.07
It would seem more appropriate to say that Crazy Jane attempts to find a world in her place.
 
 
Automatic
09:21 / 19.09.07
I've been picking these up, one a month and having a great time.

However, I started out with the Bisley cover version of volume 1. Is there anything missing from this that's in the Bolland cover version?

I do love the interstitial pages between issues in the first printing though, getting some blown up to poster size soon.
 
 
The Falcon
13:36 / 19.09.07
There's about three pages of subplot setting cut; if you scan p.1 of this thread I think someone there helps you recover these.
 
 
Automatic
13:59 / 19.09.07
Cheers!

Nuts, looks like at some point I'm going to have to pick up the Bolland version then. Oh well.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:56 / 19.09.07
I still would have preferred Bisley to keep doing the trade covers after that original printing of the first one... Bolland's images still strike me as mannequin reproductions of the weirdness of the Doom Patrol, they're a "It's a Small World After All" Doom Patrol automatons rather than having that visceral, mucky quality Bisley brings in.
 
 
Mark Parsons
02:44 / 20.09.07
Biz's style seems very retro now, very 1990s. Bolland, by comparison, seems oddly timeless. I think the Bolland covers somehow also harken back to the original DP run: stiff and oddball, with a whiff of corniness.

Also, DP Archive v4 is out the same month. I can't recommend these Drake penned archives highly enough. In their own way, they are as weird and freaky as Morrison's run.
 
 
Eskay Uno
03:11 / 20.09.07
How so furioso? I've been on the fence about getting them. Are Drake's stories really that enjoyable? Or are they just mad ideas at play? How about some highlights, and which of the DP archives would you say is the best bet?
 
 
Jamie
21:29 / 20.09.07
I wonder if they will continue on into the Rachel Pollack issues -- I can't imagine they would, since I seem to be the only person on Earth who enjoyed them.

And I wonder if Darke's DP (or Kupperberg's unpopular one, for that matter) will get a Showcase Presents... treatment at some point. Those Archives are mighty pricey.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:35 / 20.09.07
As long as John Byrne's masterful, if much misunderstood take gets a fair shake of the Doom Patrol trade paperback's lamb's tail, as it were, they can do what they want.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:01 / 21.09.07
You're really drunk right now, aren't you?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:09 / 21.09.07
God, I should hope so.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:28 / 21.09.07
I don't know about you guys, but I'm beginning to suspect that sometimes Alex's Grandma might not be being entirely serious.
 
  

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