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Morrison's Doom Patrol in Trade Paperbacks

 
  

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matthew.
14:10 / 23.12.05
DP/Flex question

Someone told me that Flex did not make his first appearance in DP. Is this true? (Other than the fact that he's Charles Atlas, etc)

And by the by, what's everybody's favorite arc on Grant's DP? I think mine has to be the Painting that Ate Paris. To me, that arc is the epitome of why I love Grant Morrison. Sure, he can fuck with your brain. Sure, he can write normal boring superhero fare, but it's when he combines them, creating a superhero fighting against the brain-fuck - that's why I love GM.
 
 
Krug
23:56 / 23.12.05
This is a difficult one because I only really hated the space one in Down Paradise Way. Painting that Ate Paris has its moments esp how they defeat the fifth horseman (ITS SO EMBARASSING IT HAS TO WORK!) Then the pentagon arc is even better for its bizarre moments and horror esp the Flex Mentallo issue. The return of the brotherhood of dada is funny until someone gets hurt.

It's probably the last one where Morrison's winding down and you have the Candlemaker on rampage until it leads into Empire of Chairs. I still think "Sending her to hell" (i.e. our world) was the best idea he had in the series. What I love about Grant is how he continues to just tell stories where fiction is no less "Credible" or "real" as fact. So the whole thing is probably in Jane's head but it shouldn't matter because the thing in her head is much better than what's outside. The pro-escapism, nothing's wrong with dreaming too much message seems clear to me. I'm still very sentimental over the ending and the endlessly optimistic grant "Everything will be fine" morrison shines through.

Years later he wrote "Royal Monsters" where I remember a character says "The goodies won of course" about a novel he's reading (which was a novel morrison wrote as a teenager and never finished). Thats true about almost all his work. No other writer makes me feel that happy endings are not only important but the only endings worth having.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:37 / 25.12.05
Matt: And by the by, what's everybody's favorite arc on Grant's DP?

The Kelly Jones art on Down Paradise Way is beauty made flesh, but I think Empire of Chairs trumps everything. Enough random bits, and I really enjoy the main character - her name escapes me - and her internal monologue; the bit about Crazy Jane ("Kay") having gotten her name from a Kafka novel still brings me a smile, and the shifts between bleached panels and bright empire colours works so well. I think every storyline had something, but that one issue still really pulls at me.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:47 / 25.12.05
Mrs The Ball got me book three for christams, bless her, I love that girl!

Will post more once I have read it, but so far my favourite part of GM's DP has been the origin of Mr Nobody. Something about the guy sitting in a plain white room and slowly losing it is such a fantastic concept.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
06:18 / 14.03.06
From The Beat:

Vertigo titles scheduled to arrive in stores in August: > > DOOM PATROL VOL. 4: MUSCLEBOUND TP > Writer: Grant Morrison > Artists: Richard Case, Steve Yeowell, Mike Dringenberg, Vince Giarrano, Jamie Hewlett, Rian Hughes, Mark McKenna, Doug Hazlewood, Malcolm Jones III, Scott Hanna, Mark Badger and various. > Collects DOOM PATROL #42-50. > 256 pages, $19.99 U.S.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:07 / 14.03.06
Now THAT's gonna have the Beard Hunter in, yes?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:43 / 14.03.06
I would imagine. Very glad they're continuing to reprint the run...thanks for the heads-up.
 
 
alexsheers
10:52 / 10.04.06
Amazon.com are now showing the Bolland cover for Volume 4: Musclebound.

His "Hero Halo" is blurred out, but there's Flex on the cover, leopard-skin knickers and all.
 
 
sleazenation
10:58 / 10.04.06
So possibly Flex Mentallo could be tacked on the end of the last Doom Patrol trade, neatly avoiding any problems associated with reprinting the name...
 
 
Aertho
11:04 / 10.04.06
FACT:

You can't judge a book by its cover.
 
 
alexsheers
11:05 / 10.04.06
DC would be missing a trick if that's the case. They could equally be testing the waters with this cover, in order to soften the blow of a Flex trade when it finally appears.

Based on the number of issues in the previous DP trades, this volume will have The Origin Of Flex Mentallo, the second encounter with the [real] Men From N.O.W.H.E.R.E./Pentagon storyline, the Beard Hunter and the Shadowy Mr. Evans/Sex Men.
 
 
Aertho
11:45 / 10.04.06
Oh I'm sorry sleaze. My above post is what's written on the card that's drawn the cover. Check it out.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:00 / 10.04.06
THE FACT IS: I can't wait for this to come out. August?
 
 
Simplist
20:45 / 17.04.06
August it is...

DOOM PATROL: MUSCLEBOUND TP
Written by Grant Morrison
Art by Steve Yeowell, Jamie Hewlett, Mark Badger and others
Cover by Brian Bolland
A new chapter begins for the World's Strangest Heroes with MUSCLEBOUND, collecting issues #42-50 of the surreal series written by Grant Morrison. Revealing the secret origin of Flex Mentallo and the terrifying secret beneath the Pentagon, MUSCLEBOUND also features the subtle menace of the Beard Hunter and more!
Advance-solicited; on sale August 30 • 256 pg, FC, $19.99 US • MATURE READERS
 
 
Sniv
21:51 / 17.04.06
I've just been flicking through my back-issues (got almost the whole set from e-bay for 25 quid, bonus!), and 42-50 seems an odd way to split the trades, ending as it does halfway through the 2nd Brotherhood of Evil/Hoffman's bike storyline. I would have thought that 48 would be a better place to split it, although it would make for a slimmer trade compared to the others. It makes me feel sorry for readers discovering the series through the trades - they'll have to wait ages to read the next to issues in that storyline!

I'm going back to finish reading my DP pile now that I'm thinking about it. Thanks Barbelith!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:05 / 18.04.06
Ah, see, the few assorted odd issues I've got only includes the first part of that story, with the lovely Hewlettness. Doom Patrol #50 was a brilliant piece of work. BRILLIANT. So waiting a little while longer for the rest of the story won't bother me that much, I've already waited this long...
 
 
Simplist
14:33 / 18.04.06
Personally, I've been buying the trades as they come out so that my tiny contribution to the overall bottom line will slightly increase the chances of the collection being completed. I have no intention of reading them until the last one appears, however -- I prefer to read these kinds of "novelesque" runs relatively continguously rather than stretching them out over a couple of years, and my quite hazy memory of the stories contained therein insures maximum enjoyment from a condensed reread.
 
 
--
03:29 / 03.09.06
Soooo... anyone know when this baby is actually coming out? Because it's September now and it's still not in stores or avaliable to order anywhere.
 
 
Malio
12:10 / 03.09.06
13 September according to DC.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:27 / 14.09.06
Happily, oddly, Doom Patrol Volume 4: Musclebound came on the 3-year Anniversary of the Accomplice and I, so it was a very good day all around. Flex Mentallo! I'm glad GM went off and actually expanded on Flex, though. So much to delight in - Scarlet Harlot faces the Sex Men. The Shadowy Mister Evans! Clankie!

More later once it's had another read through.
 
 
LDones
00:02 / 15.09.06
I had the power to cloud men's minds with my biceps...

Just finished Vol. 4 last night before bed. Felt good to see Flex's origin on the page, but felt better thinking it might mean an actual release of the Flex series trade down the line.

The moment in issue 46, where Jane/Liza opens up to an either oblivious or willfully distant Cliff, and puts her arms on him in the sunset and looks in his eyes and says: "Love means nothing at all. Life means nothing at all." --
I was rather deeply and unexpectedly moved by that, a beautiful gutpunch.

The relationship between Jane and Cliff is easily my favorite part of this series. They both (Cliff especially for me) feel real on the page as they slowly become perfect for each other's needs. Adore that scene where Dad-Husband Cliff is listening to Louis Armstrong while Daughter-Bride Jane is inspecting his knick-knacks.

I also love Clankie.

So, two more trades, yeah? 63 is the last Morrisson issue?
 
 
Jack Fear
02:02 / 15.09.06
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRREVERTHE MY BUTTOCKTH, THERGEANT MAJOR!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:53 / 15.09.06
LDones: The relationship between Jane and Cliff is easily my favorite part of this series. They both (Cliff especially for me) feel real on the page as they slowly become perfect for each other's needs. Adore that scene where Dad-Husband Cliff is listening to Louis Armstrong while Daughter-Bride Jane is inspecting his knick-knacks.

It certainly feels more real and vital than Cliff's relationship with Kate/Coagula during Pollack's run; that one felt more like a deliberate set-up by the author, in part because she didn't have a Crazy Jane to play with and had to invent someone that didn't quite come into her own in the same way.

In some ways, I'd love to do something with Coagula, or see them do something with Coagula, that actually built her up and maybe streamlined her (ie getting rid of the secondary cyberpathic power).

Cliff and Jane -- well. The tilted head and Liza Radley coming out and simply saying that she's the first alter to emerge out of love rather than cruelty -- so simple, so clean, so beautiful.

I think, though, in the end I'll always love Rebis most of all. Hir incandesence and the newness of hir life - everything was an experiment, in a way, ze seemed open to some many possibility in a way that wasn't conflicting like Jane or closed off like Cliff...

Dorothy could be a metaphor for the Woman in Comics: if you don't adhere to Wonder Woman/Power Girl levels of idealized beauty, well, you absolutely must look like an ape. I've always suspected that if you met Dorothy in real life she'd really just be a bit plain.

I really hope they can do a Flex trade down the line, if for no other reason than for me to finally read #2, the Silver Age issue. I'd buy it and then carefully disperse the copies of 1, 3, and 4 at random to spread the love. I'm planning on doing the same with DP #49-50 now that I have them included in the trade the whole story.

There's no dramatic tension in DP, even though it has this horror element that's more insidious and personalized than, say, Sandman - events, apocalypses, and weird teams of non-Doom Patrols like the Sex Man appear so rapidly and so absurdly that it almost breaks the melodramatic vibe given off by super-comics. I think it works very much in favour of the story, though, because you have to focus on the characters and their reactions - it reflects the speed and ridiculousness of comics and the constant set up and knock down of status quos. Chief's line about Cliff having to give up the innocent and befuddled layman routine because people might start to believe him was great - because by this point, honestly, isn't Cliff just used to all this weirdness?

There's something in there about latent sexuality (as exemplified by Washington) that I'm trying to suss out in its entirety...it's like the pure essence of the body horror of the X-Men caught and spread out and actually explored rather than languishing in angst...the Doom Patrol is all about thwarted sexual impulses...Scarlot Harlot screaming at the "All-American F*gg*t[*] Bastards!"

And the Hewlett! The opening sequence with the Love Glove is one of my all time favourites, and the sequence between the Big Three discussing Rebis's sex life before going off to fight the great staring contest with the Brotherhood. That fight is essentially how I'd probably end up writing a super-hero comic...a bunch of confused people standing around with super-powers, unsure what they're supposed to do beyond the rote cliches of the genre even though they don't exactly fit into those cliches.

[*] I know I should probably feel a bit weird out about seeing that word pop up in a comic book, but given the context and the heat of it. Yowza. And I can imagine the epitome of gay club clone stereotypes, desperate to look fashionable and pseudo-straight, exploding against the horrifying queer weirdness of the Doom Patrol touching them, tainting them, seducing and appalling them...
 
 
LDones
04:48 / 15.09.06
I'm one of the folks reading all of DP for the first time in trades, so it's cumulative effect is interesting, revealing as it does that the Invisibles-era was something of a thematic departure for Morrison, since he seems lately (7S, ASS) to have come back round to spending a lot of time exploring basic coping-with-tragedy-and-loss/meaningless in his work.

(Re)Reading some of his earlier work has been illuminating, in that I see his major repeating themes from the get-go to be not so much about mega-consciousness-freakouts or mysticism (though those things are certainly a big part of his work) as they are about finding (or struggling to find) healthy ways to cope with randomness, depression, and universal erosion/degradation in the big picture of life. Which, I suppose, is what magick/mysticism/religion are about anyway.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:59 / 15.09.06
LDones: Invisibles-era was something of a thematic departure for Morrison, since he seems lately (7S, ASS) to have come back round to spending a lot of time exploring basic coping-with-tragedy-and-loss/meaningless in his work...

...his major repeating themes from the get-go to be not so much about mega-consciousness-freakouts or mysticism...

...healthy ways to cope with randomness, depression, and universal erosion/degradation in the big picture of life.


Actually, that's not that far away from The Invisibles's themes, though; I end up reading Invisibles as a determination to look at the big picture problems, randomness, et cetera as growing pains before becoming something bigger/better - it's trying to imagine there's this thing that all the shit's leading toward. I think at times that was buried and distracted from and it only really comes together right at the end...
 
 
LDones
05:27 / 15.09.06
I agree on that, though, which is why I think I put it as Invisibles-era work, rather than simply Invisibles. I find the final issue of that series to be one of his finer pieces of work, those coping ideas beautifully put amongst the noise of a future armagheddon.

When i think of that period of Morrisonism, I think of JLA, Marvel Boy, and the bulk of the Invisibles - which as works, while certainly saying something about the topics of coping as human beings, seem far more consciously flashy and eager to distance themselves from the baggage or sense of human restriction that Doom Patrol and most certainly Flex Mentallo spend a great deal of time exploring.

After that there seems to be a downer period as he finishes off New X-Men, dealing with editorial difficulty and his own personal losses, which carries through Seaguy, We3, and Vimanarama, coming back full-force to old themes on projects like 7S and ASS, which really feel to me as if they spring directly out of that old work, as if they could've been published right after the completion of Flex Mentallo.

All this is just my interpretation of the arc of his work, and isn't meant to diminish Invisibles or NXM era stories of his, which I love. (Trades of his JLA are what got me reading comics again years back). The emotional throughline seen from examining what is now a pretty sizable and notable career in storytelling is interesting, though. Rewarding, perhaps.

I tend to not understand the viewpoint that Grant Morrison stories are pointlessly Dadaist, or aggressively weird without a great deal of substance. With very few exceptions I find him pretty dedicated to honestly examining the human experience in his work, with all the noise from any included weirdness simply highlighting the point.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
06:00 / 15.09.06
LDones: When i think of that period of Morrisonism, I think of JLA, Marvel Boy, and the bulk of the Invisibles - which as works, while certainly saying something about the topics of coping as human beings, seem far more consciously flashy and eager to distance themselves from the baggage or sense of human restriction that Doom Patrol and most certainly Flex Mentallo spend a great deal of time exploring.

I can see that. It's all glitz and glamour and hundred million dollar bodies in comparison to the DP's disjointed pubescence and uncomfortable sexuality. It comes close with "Apocalipstix," Fanny's origin story and being made to bleed (which isn't natural but then it is, after the fact and simultaneously) or Hank McCoy's mutations which will never be as *pretty* as Emma's diamond skin (especially when Cassandra's pointing out his devolution and the worm-future waiting for him) but maybe in some ways they've got to "hold it in," corset themselves while Jean Grey walks around embracing the higher planes and King Mob's trying to look cool while blowing things up. Fanny's about looking sexy but that's because she's *mastering the shitty awkwardness*. Hank wants to be a real boy again but he suffers from a sensory overload rather than Cliff's twice-removed experience of the world.

Rebis and Fanny feel like they could be extensions of each other, but not because of the gender-fluidity issue - that's part of it but it's more about the fact that they take their discomfort and spelunk it, looking for treasures.

Rebis, practicing crying on the floor with hir ankles up to hir chin before "dying" (potentially, from the outside), which is really just feeling naked/weird/exposed ("Oh. I didn't think I'd be in such a mess.") while masturbating on purpose for the first time - pulling off the bandages to reveal hir own naked erection/wetness/sexy feeling to prepare hirself for rebirth (taking sexual control), which is of course rammed up against Scarlet Harlot's arrival and her thwarted or uncouth or confused (because of Daddy) sexual impulses - sneaking in just when Liza's connecting with Cliff for real, for true. Scarlet Harlot manifest's all of Jane's post-abuse sexual dysfunction and anxiety right when she's got the chance via Liza to heal herself...

Invisibles is sexy and so is NXM but Doom Patrol manages to be *dirty* in both positive/negative ways, it's all those thwarted sexual impulses being explored for the very first time, and the first time is always awkward, uncomfortable, and unglamourous.

After that there seems to be a downer period as he finishes off New X-Men, dealing with editorial difficulty and his own personal losses, which carries through Seaguy, We3, and Vimanarama, coming back full-force to old themes on projects like 7S and ASS, which really feel to me as if they spring directly out of that old work, as if they could've been published right after the completion of Flex Mentallo.

I'd actually say flat-out that as much as Flex Mentallo is a thematic/character sequel to Doom Patrol, All-Star Superman is a sequel to Flex. Which is so peculiar when you think about how far removed the Doom Patrol were and are from Superman (think about the awkwardness when they meet in during "The Painting that Ate Paris"). All-Star Kal feels so much like he was wearing a Flex-suit right at the end of Flex and just that approach to superheroes and growing up but not abandoning/deconstructing (building on rather than taking apart) - that's what draws me to this set of stories.
 
 
Malio
13:51 / 15.09.06
The moment in issue 46, where Jane/Liza opens up to an either oblivious or willfully distant Cliff, and puts her arms on him in the sunset and looks in his eyes and says: "Love means nothing at all. Life means nothing at all." --
I was rather deeply and unexpectedly moved by that, a beautiful gutpunch.


It is a beatutiful scene, LDones. That line was nicely borrowed from The Jam's also beautiful Liza Radley.
 
 
Sylvia
17:35 / 15.09.06
Now THAT's gonna have the Beard Hunter in, yes?

Did it ever!

My favorite part was near the ending (which I'm going to have to paraphrase because I lent volume 4 to a friend) where St. peter tells the Beard Hunter: "It's true about award-winning comic writer X's grammatical shortcomings."

I love that part so much. It exemplifies the weird, cleverly understated satire Morrison is capable of. There's been a lot written about him, but I rarely see a focus on the artful, often ironic humor in Morrison's work. (Which surprises me since it's one of the main reasons I was attracted to his writing in the first place).

Another favorite part is Cliff's reaction to Mr. Evan's strange and potent powers and the shocking revenation of the man's identity:

"Satan, my ass!"

Cliff's always been fed-up with all the weirdness and lunacy, but that scene in particular makes me laugh.

On the horrific end, when they revealed the Ant-farm I nodded and went "All right, pretty unsettling for the characters" without being too bothered by it myself.

Then they reveal what's been contained BY the Ant-farm since '43 and my immediate reaction was to recoil. Creepy sucker!

(Another Reason I Love Grant Morrison: His character designs when it comes to the monstrous are stellar. The men from N.O.W.H.E.R.E. seemed to go through three or four different looks, or maybe they're just different classes of drones, but all of them are bizarre, menacing and oddly appealing at the same time. Beautiful work.)

It makes me feel sorry for readers discovering the series through the trades - they'll have to wait ages to read the next to issues in that storyline!

I KNOW. I'm experiencing Morrison's Doom Patrol for the first time via all these trades and the wait between books is agony. (Same with Seven Soldiers, All-Star Superman, his Batman run...I like my comics delivered in trades generally speaking but oh, the WAIT)
 
 
PatrickMM
20:59 / 15.09.06
While there's certainly some thematic diifferences, I think the big division between Grant's pre-Invis output and post is primarily in the style and particularly the sense of Pop. I feel like it starts with the 'Entropy in the UK' arc, culminating in Volume II, you see a lot more style and focus on the clothes and just being cool. Doom Patrol and Animal Man are fantastic works, but they're not that cool. Maybe it's just that things have changed since the 80s, but those works don't have the sheen of his later stuff. Marvel Boy is the apex of this mode, pushing everything to stylistic excess.

Part of what motivated the change was GM's own desire to transform into King Mob, and his post bald image. I think the greatest sucess of Seven Soldiers is in the way that it keeps this really pop style but brings it to more down to earth concerns, and does ressurect a lot of the surrealism of Doom Patrol.

I think there's a great book waiting to be born that's an in depth analysis of all of Grant's work, from an auteurist perspective, tracing the development of theme and style over the years. He's got over 20 years of great material out there, and you can clearly see how the different eras of his stuff flow into each other.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:46 / 15.09.06
Sylvia: Another favorite part is Cliff's reaction to Mr. Evan's strange and potent powers and the shocking revenation of the man's identity:

"Satan, my ass!"


I just loved that panel where old Mister Evans leans forward - in profile - with smoke billowing from his mouth and he pulls an Alice-and-caterpillar: "Who. Are. You?" I could hear the old Disney Caterpillar in my head. Cliff is always stuck playing Alice to Dorothy's Dorothy.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
21:33 / 18.09.06
DOOM PATROL VOL. 5: magic bus TP
Written by Grant Morrison Cover by Brian Bolland
Art by Richard Case, Stan Woch, Ken Steacy, Philip Bond and Mark McKenna
The collection of comics savant Grant Morrison's legendary run on DOOM PATROL continues in this fifth trade paperback volume reprinting issues #51-57. Featuring the final fate of the Brotherhood of Dada and the rise of the unstoppable Candlemaker, DOOM PATROL VOL. 5 also includes the delightful Jack Kirby tribute issue "And Men Shall Call Him -- HERO!" as well as a new cover by the incomparable Brian Bolland.
Advance-solicited; on sale January 3 o 208 pg, FC, $19.99 US o MATURE READERS
 
 
PatrickMM
22:14 / 18.09.06
Awesome, if this keeps up, around next May we should be getting the final trade. I've got all the singles, but I've been waiting for all the trades to come out to go for the reread.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:15 / 18.09.06
January isn't too bad. When do people think this will actually come out?

Why, generally, do reprint trades get delayed like Doom Patrol seems to, anyway? The material isn't new, they usually have the Bolland covers available to put up in the solicits...
 
 
iamus
22:33 / 18.09.06
Scarlet Harlot manifest's all of Jane's post-abuse sexual dysfunction and anxiety right when she's got the chance via Liza to heal herself...

I think Scarlet's manifestation is that healing process. It's Jane's denial of Scarlet's nature that's helped her to survive to this point, but it also keeps her fragmented and allows personalities like Black Annis to the fore.

Janes admittance, and owning of her Scarletness is a vital step to her personality integration, because it's been a defining part of her and her illness since an early age.
 
  

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