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Sopranos Season 5 UK

 
  

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Ganesh
20:06 / 24.08.04
The title is partially a reference to the introduction of Tony Blundetto, but when Tony says the "two Tonys" line to Dr. Melfi, he's just talking about himself.

It could also be read as a humorous reference to the bear - which, if partially shaved and dressed in Sports Casual, would surely be Gandolfini's twin.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:28 / 25.08.04
I just loved Junior turning on the TV to 'Curb My Enthusiasm' and complaining that he was on TV!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:43 / 25.08.04
That was on E4, right? We need to be really careful now people don't get spoiled a week in advance... Maybe we should have a rule that nobody talks in depth about the episode that airs on a Tuesday on E4 until it's also aired on the following Monday on Channel 4...
 
 
Spaniel
12:31 / 25.08.04
I second that emotion.
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:14 / 31.08.04
Pauli Walnuts runs away with the show again - listening to the Art of War on audio tape in his car and taking the lawn-mower just for the sake of it.

Damn that arm-break was horrible.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:34 / 08.09.04
So I reckon the big question from Monday night's episode (All Happy Families) is: did Tony decide to have Feech set up rather than killed because he remembered that Feech didn't laugh at Tony's bad joke (and so at the very least is not a sycophant), OR did he decide to have Feech taken off the street because he remembered the joke etc (and so Tony still demands such sycophancy from his crew)?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:19 / 08.09.04
Also: Tony is so in denial since he finished therapy.

"And I always wonder, whatever happened to Gary Cooper? The strong, silent type?" (nice reference to the episode Christopher)

"PS: I'm doing fine."

I wonder if the newly thin AJ will stay living with Tony for the whole season, and if so whether he'll end up seeing anything of the other half of the show...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:33 / 10.09.04
Just watched 'Amour Fou' from season 3 on video last night and my jaw-dropped at the fact that the story Ralphie tells Jackie Jr and pal about Tony and Jackie Sr robbing a card game is, of course, the same story Feech tells in 'All Happy Families', because that's his card game. And Jackie Jr's pal says "Who the fuck is Feech?". God, this show is so well structured sometimes.

But Barbelith cares not. For Barbelith prefers fucking Ewoks and shit.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:56 / 10.09.04
I can top that, because I got the Sopranos s.1 DVD set for my birthday and in the very first episode Tony describes Uncle Junior by talking about how he always told people about how Tony could have been an athelete in college, just as he was in the episode a few weeks ago... It's just great how stuff is referred back to so well.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:04 / 11.09.04
Actually, Junior says in season 5 that "Tony never had the makings of a Varsity athelete," which aggravates Tony for reasons which will actually become more clear later on.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:19 / 14.09.04
ARGH I just lost a huge fucking post! That never happens, I'd learnt to save stuff first... Okay, notes for self: Lost Boys and memory of Gloria; Buscemi's influence; flirtation and guilt; Paulie.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:54 / 14.09.04
I was initially a bit unimpressed with last weeks episode as I felt it was a bit of a placeholder episode, it'll be interesting to see whether this has ramifications in future episodes, but then I reconsidered, it was interesting to see that Tony did seem genuinely prepared to kill his nephew Christopher, especially considering that he just got Feech sent back to prison the previous week. This week's episode looks like it might be Buscemi-tastic though.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
22:03 / 14.09.04
mmm. just caught up, thoughts to follow. Too tired/busy right now...

But a quickie: very much enjoyed Tony's return to Melfi being provoked by the interaction with Adriana, and the lovely at-a-remove triangular situation that is thrown up.

Carmella is glorious as ever, and Buscemi=yes!
 
 
Ganesh
22:27 / 14.09.04
Melfi is sooo compromised as a therapist by now...
 
 
Spaniel
11:26 / 15.09.04
did Tony decide to have Feech set up rather than killed because he remembered that Feech didn't laugh at Tony's bad joke (and so at the very least is not a sycophant), OR did he decide to have Feech taken off the street because he remembered the joke etc (and so Tony still demands such sycophancy from his crew)?

A bit of both, imo. Feech's lack of sycophancy suggests that he sees Tony as a human being, something Tony is learning to desire (particularly since the arrival of Tony 2). Sadly, Tony also recognises the impratical nature of his feelings: Feech doesn't show him respect, therefore Feech must be seen as a threat and dealt with.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:50 / 15.09.04
So, does Tony-Steve have a brain tumour perhaps? Or was that just a hot-blooded Italian reaction to a shitty day?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:58 / 15.09.04
Melfi is sooo compromised as a therapist by now...

Yeah, I absolutely love that!!! I love the way Melfi is presented, it feels very accurate.

Damn, I always thought I hated this show. Then I actually watched it.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:52 / 16.09.04
I've been a bit unimpressed with this series so far in comparison to season one. We're almost halfway through the series but there's no overarching story that seems to be going on, just a series of, admittedly well done, character sketches.
 
 
Ganesh
22:40 / 16.09.04
We're almost halfway through the series but there's no overarching story that seems to be going on, just a series of, admittedly well done, character sketches.

I know what you mean, but I think some of the apparent fragmentation is explicable in terms of this series being the 'things fall apart' aftermath of Carmela's split with Tony - and all its messy, bitty consequences. I'm not sure that there are no overarching plotlines; the Adriana arc was gathering speed, and I'm pleased that Steve Buscemi's character seems to be a slow-burner - but a burner.

I'm actually enjoying this series a lot.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:56 / 17.09.04
I don't really see how you could have spotted one simple plot at this stage in seasons 3 and 4 either. These things tend to become clearer in hindsight. And surely part of what's great about this show is how well it handles such a large cast of characters, which means there will be lots of little plots interweaved together. That being said, I think it's pretty obvious that Adriana and Tony B are the people to keep an eye on. I really don't know what you're complaining about...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:42 / 17.09.04
Well, remember I said I hadn't actually seen series 3 and 4...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:29 / 17.09.04
We're almost halfway through the series but there's no overarching story that seems to be going on, just a series of, admittedly well done, character sketches.

Ha, let's see if you feel that way when this season is over.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:33 / 17.09.04
It's also really important to note that the six seasons of Sopranos is one big story about the rise and fall of Tony. The first two seasons set him up, and there's a thrill to that because there's a bit of wish fulfillment to it if you identify with Tony at all. Seasons 4 and 5 are about the dissolution of the families. A lot of season 5 brings the characters and core concepts full circle, setting us up for the big conclusion.

Obvs, I can't tell you anything, but things start to get moving around episode 8. I strongly believe that the fifth season is very well structured, and I'm sure that you will agree when it's all done.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
21:18 / 21.09.04
Episode 7 tonight. I just love the way Chris sees no incongruity between supporting someone at AA while at the same time hassling them for money owed, one minute beating the shit out of someone because they haven't got his money, then ticking them off for doing heroin, taking their car as payment while dropping them off to their sponsor to take them to rehab.

But when Chris's partner brings him the money, was that an alcoholic drink Chris was drinking, or was that supposed to be Coke or something similar?
 
 
captain piss
19:55 / 28.09.04
The Plotline that interests me the most is the one concerning New York. It bubbles away week after week....

It frightens me. Tony is making enemies.
 
 
The Natural Way
21:17 / 06.10.04
That was me BTW.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:41 / 11.10.04
I heart Tony.

"Trust me, it's like taking a shit."

I keep thinking Finn is Stephen Malkmus.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:51 / 11.10.04
That was great.

But, but, but... Is anyone else finding that they wish Buscemi wasn't in it? It's just, I watch him and I'm always aware that it's Steve Buscemi. It's like the special guest bit that they always used to shove in the Quinn Martin shows - squeeze a celebrity into a lineup that's so complete, so locked together, and it pulls the reality of the show apart.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:51 / 12.10.04
Not at all. I think Buscemi is so great and fits in so well that I'm actually forgetting he's an actor as much as all the rest.
 
 
The Natural Way
20:31 / 13.10.04
Indeed.

Cliched complaint, Randox. Get over it. Just waaaaaaaaaaatch....mmmmmmmm.....soprapes..........
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:34 / 13.10.04
I know it's a cliché, but that doesn't make it any less true for me. I suppose it's just this last episode that's really done it - the discovery that Tony S's panic attacks date back to a prior incident relating to The Buscemi suddenly make him not just the important character in this series' main story arc, but an underlying presence in all of the previous ones too. So now my brain's all "Special Guest Star!" every time my eyes see him.

It may also have something to do with my having spent the weekend wallowing in series one.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:15 / 19.10.04
The only thing that bothers me about Buscemi - and "bothers" isn't quite the right word, I mean it in the sense of "fascinates in a troubling way" - is the extent to which Tony B is hard to fathom - somewhat sphynx-like. But maybe that's the point: he's the element that nobody really understands, he does very unpredictable things. Sometimes it seems like he's really smart and good at manipulating others (eg, the way he completely controls the Tony/Tony/Chris relationship by making the other two compete to make jokes at each other's expense), other times he just seems like a mildly psychotic loser. What I think is clear is that at the start of the season Tony S thought he knows his cousin - and he keeps wanting to cling to that - but he's discovered that he doesn't really know him that well any more. And then Johnny Sack is acting weird as well - he's supposed to be the sly, smart, tactical one, but he's losing it as seen in the scene at the funeral last week. Although really I think the irony is that Johnny has done this before - see 'The Weight' - and in fact although Tony S has a temper, he usually manages to make 'business' decisions that aren't influenced by his emotions - so far.

It seems to me that the last two seasons have really been about Tony Soprano's refusal/inability to make therapy work for him. At times it's seemed as if Melfi is complicit in this (and she probably has been), but this season, I get the impression that Melfi has helped Tony make what ought to have been breakthroughs - except he can't face them. So in the episode with his father's mistress, we see Tony coming very close to having to deal with issues relating to how he sees women (mothers, lovers or both) - but at the end, he veers away and back into a comfy kind of macho mentality, telling the guys at the Bing about how hot this woman once was, knowingly feeding them and himself a reassuring myth. It's a form of self-destructiveness, and it involves dragging everyone else down too, as we saw in the latest episode: if Tony can't be happy and deal with his temper, neither can Janice. It's only a matter of time before this does affect 'the business'.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:01 / 20.10.04
Just when you want to feel sorry for Tony because he's now so obviously isolated from everyone, he pulls some really horrible shit like winding up Janice so she's back to square one with the anger management.

But he's never been able to talk to her. From what I remember of season two Junior was a little help but now is going gaga, Carm wasn't much help and is divorcing him anyway, Tony he can't trust and all his crew are... his crew. Though Paulie was fairly forthright with him at the end. With Melfi, they are still moving on, but when they have breakthroughs it either no longer helps Tony to decide what he should do or he refuses to accept it and see how he should change his behaviour.

I feel for Chris though. Just when he thinks he's finally getting somewhere with Tony B and they're good, Tony S comes out to visit and he's back on the outside again, having the piss taken out of him.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:44 / 26.10.04
Oh my god. The start of that episode was just ridiculously good.

And probably the best 'dream episode' yet. Tony's teeth falling out was *masterful*.

More later when I've digested and obsessed some more.

But, ugh, Tony, get away from lovely Charmaine.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:27 / 26.10.04
Pie-O-My!

The awful thing about Valentina's accident is that Tony was probably thinking of breaking up with her - in the sense that he probably thinks that at the end of every encounter, but comes back if he wants sex and hasn't found anyone else more appealing in the interim. So now he's going to break it off, pay her bills, feel a little bit guilty but tell himself it's not because of the accident that he's ending it.

My favourite thing about last night's episode might be the way it captures the strange disorientation caused by hotel living, especially if it's a posh hotel and you're kinda out of place. But I also loved the angle we got on Tony's victim complex - chased out of the village by an angry mob - only for him to admit defiantly the extent to which he is responsible for his own actions (and thus, his fate). It's interesting, we often talk here about how therapy is presented on The Sopranos, and I think that in the conversation about Melfi which Tony has with his coach, there's two things going on: on the one hand, Tony has Melfi "wrapped around his little finger" a lot LESS than he thinks he does; on the other hand, it's probably true that (largely because he refuses to face/accept certain insights which therapy could have given him) therapy is sometimes a way for Tony to avoid taking responsibility himself - blame it all on his mother...

I love the potential foreshadowing in these dreams. Will Artie survive the entirity of the series, or will Tony's need to try to fuck every single woman who's even vaguely attractive, sooner or later, lead to Artie's demise, hence his place in the car of dead guys?
 
  

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