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Sopranos Season 5 UK

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
11:23 / 09.11.04
The best thing about that painting is that this show is full of plot points that might seem major but never come up again (I doubt anyone will ever find out that Tony killed Ralph, and the Russian will never return from Pine Barrens), so to have the painting's fate from season 4 revealed to Tony and then to have it trigger him making a decision... brilliant.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:56 / 09.11.04
So how do you feel about Melfi's role in Tony Blundetto's demise?
 
 
The Strobe
13:48 / 09.11.04
I think that that is going to be a moderately big-issue at the beginning of Season Six. At the same time, I don't think you can say it's her fault. She tells Tony, as she would anyone, to own their feelings and stop dicking around with everybody.

Unfortunately, most other patients wouldn't see that as a qualifier to murder, because, well, most other patients (however disturbed) don't consider murdering their own cousin to be a suitable way of taking ownership of their feelings. The fact Tony lives by a different moral compass doesn't necessarily put Melfi at fault for telling him what she'd tell any other patient, especially one she was finding so frustrating (and she has become frustrated with Tony: his less frequent visits are part of that, because she makes less and less progress with him every time).

At the same time... she knows how difficult Tony's area of work makes her job, and she's been so loathe to have anything to do with it. And suddenly she has this big outburst, essentially just losing it and saying "Jesus Christ, get over yourself" which is not necessarily the thing to tell Tony Soprano. So she's stuck: she can bottle up her professional opinion and not attempt to change him, or she can try to help him but run the risk that that will induce more crime - be it burglary, GBH, or murder.

I think the killing of Tony B takes the place of Jackie Junior's murder as my favourite completely-offhand-way-to-off-major-guest-character the series has put up yet.

"Thanks for the massage."
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:59 / 09.11.04
No, Melfi isn't responsible for Tony's actions, but that was the end result of their relationship, and it was something she always knew was coming. She will inevitably learn about this in the next season, and I'm certain that it will be the undoing of Tony/Melfi's relationship, and will be key in pushing Tony to his final fate, whatever that may be.
 
 
Nobody's girl
14:16 / 09.11.04
I'm very disappointed with Carmella. I was hoping she'd drag Tony through the divorce courts in a bitter battle and eventually go into the program. I've always thought that she was the chink in Tony's armour. He couldn't kill her, and she coulld destroy him with all she knows (anyone remember in the earlier seasons where she and Tony are cleaning the house of dirty money and he's handing her stacks of money and guns from the attic?.) A $600,000 plot of land and a new house was her price. What a whore...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:56 / 09.11.04
they are all scum.

hey just realised: buscemi entered the meta-fray and 'massaged' the whole show.

thanks for the massage indeed, bug eyes.
 
 
sleazenation
15:11 / 09.11.04
Like Richie Aprilla he comes in for one season (out from prison) before being shot...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:34 / 09.11.04
Meadow and Carmella follow the same arc - they go through a phase of feeling morally superior and attempt to break away from privilege, but as soon as their lives become difficult on their own, they retreat and end up embracing that privilege and power.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:02 / 09.11.04
I admitted to Flyboy the other day that maybe I just automatically decide that whatever happens is the worst of all options, plus I tend to watch a lot more sci-fi/fantasy than anything 'realistic' so my expectations are off. I'm disappointed and suprised that a big war with New York seems to be off the cards for next season, though there will presumerably be the issue of a power vacuum to be addressed. And I wonder if Tony will end up taking over those parts of New York too, despite the fact he wouldn't want to. This series resolves in such a way there's no clear indication of where the story is going to go next series, though there's lots of little things, AJ events planning, Meadow's possible marriage, Chris without Adriana...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
10:34 / 10.11.04
Well, it's really important to remember that the next season is the final one and is only 10 episodes. We're in the end phase now.

The threat of a NY/NJ gang war was misdirection. Tony has much bigger problems than that now.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
10:35 / 10.11.04
i.e., the Feds.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:20 / 10.11.04
I think that last series is actually going to be thirteen episodes now, Chase expanded it. I don't think there's going to be an all out war with New York, becuase Chase always seems to build that up and defuse it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:10 / 10.11.04
Well, if that's true, it'd be great. I'm sure HBO would be more than thrilled to have the show for three extra weeks.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:28 / 10.11.04
So are we to assume that Little Carmine will now be in control of New York after all? That can't be entirely unproblematic, surely...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:54 / 11.11.04
I heard one more series and a tv movie to wrap it up.
wonder if chase'll play about with presentation a little more with the final series as he introduced a few new tecchniques in this one. (loved the buscemi recap scene of the shooting that we never actually saw)

wonder if he'll do anything radical - like running ep.6 backwards or something.

well, who knows....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:50 / 11.11.04
That's tremendously unlikely. The series has always avoided formal gimmicks. This is the Sopranos, not ER.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:47 / 12.11.04
oh, i thought it was ER!
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:12 / 12.11.04
but yes matthew - i don't expect a 'times arrow' approach anytime soon.

Although I do think its not unreasonable to expect more experimentation with visual presentation if series 5 is anything to go by.

There was a boldness to the devices used this time round: tony's fleeting silent memories of buscemi in their teenage years, the pyschological misdirection when we saw adriana's solo, then silvio-partnered drive to death, Chris's slo-mo observation of the family man, tony's dream sequence (although dreams had been given significance in previous series, there was nothing on this scale shown before - and who would've thought the a mob drama would devote so much storytelling time to a dream sequence - more twin peaks than ER)

Also the buscemi directed slot with the old lush in it - that was perhaps the most overtly stylistic of any episode I've seen. The way the camera lingered on the old doll rather scarliy crooning, 'happy birthday' was pure human horror.

but let's see if Chase can really FINISH this story.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:34 / 12.11.04
and who would've thought the a mob drama would devote so much storytelling time to a dream sequence - more twin peaks than ER)

Probably the people who've been paying attention to it from start to finish and noticed that dream sequences have played a pivotal role in the series since the beginning.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:52 / 15.11.04
god, did someone rip those pipes out fluxie’s back again? why do I see Davros?

the point he so charmingly patronise me with (about dreams and their significance to the show) is one I make myself. I already ascribed the importance of dreams in the series in the post he responded to. so can someone plug those steamy pipes back into his back and arse-channel and ask him to read it again?

anyway, what I’ve noticed is the techniques I’ve already mentioned have been developed and used as the emotional landscape (emoti-scape) of the characters is further explored and mapped. The visual and narrative techniques have all added to the study of the person whose activities are the focus of that technique. For example, I really was flooored by Tony’s silent windswept memories of his cousin as he decided what the fuck to do about the mess.

That’s a nice relationship between production, direction and script.

stylistic flourishes above and beyond viscera.

amost like ware or clowes.

I like that.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:12 / 15.11.04
The one stylistic experiment I'm not sure about was that slow motion shot of Carmela after she told the smarmy student counsellor that she was getting back together with Tony - yeah, I get that we need to see her realise it's true after she's said it, but I trust the acting to do that on its own, y'know? I believe that was in the episode directed by Mike Figgis...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:02 / 16.11.04
i don't remember that actually - but I was chilled by her vicious warning - 'watch your back' or something similar at the time the effect was used.

IMO carmella has come out looking pretty bad in series 5 after the trauma of series 4 and all the viewer-sympathy gathered then.

Tho i doubt shes really taken Tony back.
 
  

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