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Harry Potter And The Goblet of Fire

 
  

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FinderWolf
17:35 / 27.11.05
well, director Mike Newell pretty much didn't include any subtext/layering here, that's for sure.

>> They've removed the friction between Harry and Ron over Harry's money,

To their credit, they do have one moment where Harry offers to buy Ron a candy (that Ron doesn't have enough money to buy for himself) on the train and Ron refuses to take Harry's money, clearly a bit uncomfortable about it.
 
 
Slim
22:51 / 27.11.05
Like Tuna said, I could have done without the rock concert. It was shameful, really.

I liked the ending and the dragon scene but thought it was a poor showing. Very little flow to the movie and the characterization didn't feel right.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:11 / 28.11.05
Shameful? Highlight of the movie for me...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:17 / 01.12.05
I'd like to comment more usefully on the film but I'm still hung up on a) frankly traumatic bathroom scene, b) OMG Miranda Richardson's jacket! and c) Igor Karakoff really badly stroking Krum's hair.
 
 
Chiropteran
14:35 / 01.12.05
c) Igor Karakoff really badly stroking Krum's hair.

You saw that too, huh?

Well, wouldn't you?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:28 / 01.12.05
Not really. Krum's not my type at all, even if he wasn't supposed to be about 14.

I'm very relieved that I am not the only person who spotted that though. I was beginning to wonder if Barbelith hadn't infected me with slashitis.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:00 / 01.12.05
Yeah, Miranda Richardson's jacket/outfit was pretty cool.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:19 / 02.12.05
OMG! Let me be the first on this thread to say that the actress who plays Moaning Myrtle is really OLD! Has nobody else noticed this?

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Saw this last night, and was reminded just what a shitty, shitty, awful novel it was. Based on that, Mike Newell's done a decent job of making a film that didn't actively make me want to hide in my own caecum. Major problem, I think, was that even with the excision of vast quanitities of plot - SPEW, most obviously, and the stripping down of others heavily - why were the Death Eaters marauding at the Quidditch World Cup? There's a suggestion that Barty Jr. has lead them, but to what end? Do they or do they not know that Voldemort is back? The compression also makes the Moody/Crouch hing yet more ludicrous, along with the trial, - veritaserum, dudes, veritaserum. None of the ancillary characters had the screen time to be fleshed out. This had its greatest failing in Crouch/Moody - it's difficult to work out on the clues available what's going on if you haven't read the book, but also why is it of interest? Moody doesn't have the paternal build-up with Harry (yes, Harry, we've got you yet another evanescent father figure. It's the least we could do after what happened to the last one...), and Crouch Jr. has so little screen time (during which he is taken down like my niece by the actual Moody) that there's no real sense that he _is_ anyone apart from the 10th Doctor. It's a failing of the book as well, but is particularly pronounced here. Same with Cedric - he's a bland Head Boy figure in the book, which is escalated in the film because there is even less of him. There's a general lack of villain about the villains - Spall is miscast, Fiennes hammy - Tennant's the best and by extension the most underused. Great suit, too. Isaacs solid again in a cameo role,but it does make you wonder why he isn't in charge.

On the plus side, the SFX were very cool, although the Black Lake scene had the feeling of an NVidia tech demo. I really enjoyed the party, partly for the Wyrd Sisters but also because it did have the feel at the death of the emotional fallout of a school disco. Cho Chan surprised me by having any features whatver, and turned in a likeable if again infinitesimal performance. Amdram though the confrontation was, the preamble - the maze genuinely spooky - and the aftermath - raining, miserable, washed-out, the way that as they return everybody starts clapping - were both nicely done. Grint and Watson didn't have much range, but I really like what they're both doing with their characters.

Given that most of the problems wiht GoF as a film came from the hugeness and overstuffing of the book, leading to lots of good set-pieces rather than a good movie, God knows what's going to happen with Order of the Penix. Dark and difficult-to-film times lie ahead.

Also, ferret. Ferret!
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:32 / 03.12.05
OMG! Let me be the first on this thread to say that the actress who plays Moaning Myrtle is really OLD! Has nobody else noticed this?

Nope, you´re not the first to notice and mention it in this thread. The laurels go to Finderwolf.

And here I mention that the actress turns 40 on christmas day.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:18 / 03.12.05
Sometimes I wonder if there is any point anymore, really. Maybe just slip away. Slip into the cracks in the walls.
 
 
Mistoffelees
10:27 / 04.12.05
Haus, please don´t go all Marvin on us!

Here´s a funny HP themed pic to cheer you up.
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Morgana
10:58 / 04.12.05
What about a little bonus for non-native speakers, eh? Sarcasm isn't always easy to spot in a foreign language...
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:43 / 05.12.05
I quite enjoyed the movie. 'specially the ball, they should have had more Jarvis in it. Michael Gambon's accent seemed a bit all over the place, though - one minute John Hurt, the next Brendan Gleesonesque - and his performance...well, he seemed a lot less confident than Dumbledore really should be, IMHO. Brendan Gleeson was pretty decent. Alan Rickman had far too little screen time - I think he had maybe one line in the whole film? Mr Fiennes was ok as Voldemort - nothing special, really. I thought the film's main failing was that a lot of the scenes seemed disconnected - in trimming the excess fat from the novel, they cut the bits that joined the scenes together and never replaced them.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:41 / 05.12.05
>> Michael Gambon's accent seemed a bit all over the place, though

Thank you! I've been saying this for a while and most people go 'huh...?' His British accent goes in and out...sometimes he sounds downright American. It annoys me, I must admit. But not so much that I lose sleep over it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:56 / 05.12.05
Ah, but does it annoy you as much as the term "British accent", Finderwolf?

I know, I know, give the non-native speakers a break.

Gambon's D-Dore is bloody odd - he seems to be modelling his performance on Peter o'Toole playing the part of Merlin in Excalibur. Richard Harries worked so well in this role, but I think that may in part have been because the role had fewer bases to cover and more time to cover them - he was just being eccentric and paternal, really - there was much less need for him to hurtle around emoting. This does, regrettably, give Gambon the look of a foaming wrongcock when he is grabbing Potter and spitting in his face, as seems to happen a surprising amount.

Also, since Dumbledore is by necessity the locus of a lot of the exposition about what is going on in the adult world, and as that is exactly the sort of stuff that gets cut, I have a suspicion that his role is going to get progressively less coherent...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:25 / 05.12.05
While we are on the subject of accents, Cho Chang was utterly adorable to this American. Never heard someone of Asian ancestry with a Scottish accent before. Cute combination.

Ok, there I said it. Been trying for ages to say this without coming off as an idiot, so I figured, hey, why not just go for the idiot?
 
 
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14:50 / 05.12.05
[Mumbles something quietly about the Bishop of Oxford to Haus]
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:36 / 05.12.05
Ah, but it's "Harries" when pronounced in a British accent.

This is utterly incomprehensible to anyone else, isn't it? Sorry. Cube was drawing attention to my ascription of early Dumbledore to Richard Harries, the Bishop of Oxford, rather than Richard Harris, the respected thespian and source of one of my favourite drunken actor anecdotes ever.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:45 / 05.12.05
oh, do tell.

actually, i think i've heard a drunken story about Harris before, but can't remember much about it.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:50 / 05.12.05
I think Gambon's D-Man has a slight Irish accent no? Don't know where it's coming from but maybe there was something about it in the books that I've forgotten?

And Dumbledore was furious when Harry's name came out of the Goblet, which I don't think was in the book.

I think the only times Snape spoke were that scene where he accused Harry of nicking Polyjuice Potion ingredients and possibly a line or two when the teachers confronted Mad-Eye Moody/Barty Crouch.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:15 / 05.12.05
There are many wonderful Richard Harris drunken stories - which one is your favorite, Haus? (the one I'm thinking of involves Richard Harris and another famous British actor - whose name is escaping me at present - getting drunk at intermission during a play and coming back onstage pissed, which led to a great exchange between an outraged audience member and the actors.)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:22 / 05.12.05
Also a line or two during the discussion of what to do about HP being put into the Tri-Wizard cup. But yeah, not enough Snape, at al. There are now so many characters in each film that I think anyone who isn't Radcliffe, Watson or Grint but is any cop is going to feel underused.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:53 / 05.12.05
Never heard someone of Asian ancestry with a Scottish accent before. Cute combination.

Actually, I had a similar reaction. Obviously, we know people of Asian ancestry live in the UK, and probably have all sorts of outlandish and downright unitelligible accents, but that didn't stop me from thinking "huh. That was kinda weird".

The show Family Guy takes advantage of this reaction in the scene where Brian goes to an acupuncturist.
 
 
Jack Fear
21:10 / 05.12.05
I think Gambon's D-Man has a slight Irish accent no? Don't know where it's coming from...

From the fact that Michael Gambon is Irish, perhaps? (Born Dublin, 1940, sez the IMDb.)
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
08:11 / 06.12.05
Gambon's Irish? I didn't know that. You live and learn. I guess maybe he kept slipping into the accent since Gleeson was on set, I know whenever I'm hanging out with my cousin (who has a west of Ireland accent) I occasionally slip into his accent.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:01 / 06.12.05
Well, yes, but you're not, or at least are probably not, an RSC actor who learned his trade under Sir Larry at the National Theatre. If Gambon is slipping into a strange portmanteau Celtic accent, either he has been told to do so by a director or he has decided to do so and the director has not stopped him. Although I would naturally assume that D-Dore, as the head of an exclusive private school, would be cut-glasss RP, I'd be ready to go for the accent if it didn't seem so at odds with the characterisation created by Richard Harris.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
09:22 / 06.12.05
Did anybody notice Gambon doing an Irish accent in the previous movie...? It just seems to me like a strange thing for a director to let slip, or even to direct an actor to do.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:26 / 06.12.05
Richard Harris, of course, was Irish as well—born in Limerick. Not that that means anything, mind: I'm just throwin' it out there.

I would naturally assume that D-Dore, as the head of an exclusive private school, would be cut-glasss RP...

...becuase even in a fantasy story, there are limits to what's plausible.

(Yes, I know: it is precisely in this particular kind of fantasy that the Headmaster's accent should be the most RSC-proper. I just found the inadvertent snobbery of the statement momentarily amusing.)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:56 / 06.12.05
You rightly identify that it is precisely in this particular kind of fantasy that the Headmaster's accent should be the most RSC-proper: I would ask it to be taken into account that this was my somewhat telescoped proposition, and therefore that the comment was neither inadvertent nor snobbish.

Rowling's writing is parasitic upon a particular kind of boarding-school story in which a poor child discovers that they are as a result of some hitherto unrealised quirk of descent or talent packed off to an exclusive academy, where the teaching staff and usually the student body are of a significantly higher class. After a number of false starts, the rough diamond learns the vital lessons for fitting into their new role in life as princess/prima ballerina in the company of their new peer group.

These boarding-school tales have varied little in construction over the decades, with the result that the head teachers of the institutions are very much of a muchness. Even if we take the Potter books to be blistering works of social realism, one would probably not expect the headmaster of the most prestigious selective school in the country to have a rural Celtic accent - given the notional location of Hogwarts, Morningside might be more credible. Considering that the wizarding world created by Rowling is more akin to the 1920s - largely non-urban and pre-industrial - it would be yet less congruous again. Considering further that the Potter films are exercises in selling a very specific form of Englishness, and that the largest market for this product is the US, it becomes less congruous again.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:15 / 06.12.05
Entirely agreed.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:24 / 06.12.05
Forgive my tone - mod request in the tunnel. Snobbery, inadvertent or not, is quite a serious allegation, especially to rough diamond prima ballerinas like myself.
 
 
Slim
11:25 / 06.12.05
I was going to try and put this in a clever way, but fuck it- the actress who played Fleur Delacour has appeared topless in a French movie. It was kind of disturbing for me, as I thought Fleur was 15 or 16 according to the book.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:36 / 06.12.05
Actors and actresses are not the same age as the characters they portray, Slim, especially not across two separate films. That's a). b) is that Dumbledore states that the Tri-Wizard tournament is closed to anyone under 17. so presumably de la Coeur is at least legal in some states.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:23 / 06.12.05
Cloud- Yes, I noticed Gambon doing the same thing accent-wise in the last movie too. I suppose, like the fact that certain parts of Hogwarts interiors and exteriors change to suit each director , we have to accept that in between Harry's second and third years Dumbledore's voice magically changed from slightly wheezy to slightly Irish.
 
 
Ex
12:59 / 06.12.05
Making our hero into 'Harry Podder' at least once.

Morningside might be more credible

I think Maggie Smith's cornered the market in that. I've only just realised, also, that Smith was the titular heroine of The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, so now I will be expecting her to urge Hogwarts students to support fascism.
 
  

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