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PhatMikey
12:17 / 03.08.06
Hi Gek, I've got another meeting with my managers in a few minutes, please ensure that they close most of the list of things they think I need to improve. Also, please prevent them from moving the process to 'Stage 3'. In return, I've got mini-cookies, tea, and milk right here for you. Enjoy! Thanks, Mike.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:19 / 03.08.06
Dear Gek,

Please help all of these fucking muppets who have filled this thread with little wishes to the tune of 25 pages – yet rarely seem to contribute anywhere else in the Temple – understand that each time they refresh your thread they are basically reducing this forum to the level of internet chain letter spam, which ultimately undermines the perception of the forum as a place where intelligent debate around magic takes place.

Please also help them to understand that I am not saying this purely to be the cruel, mean-spirited, monstrous character that I am sometimes painted, but merely fulfilling my role as barbelith's other trusty servitor - charged with the task of providing a dissenting voice wherever it seems to be needed.

The problem is, Gek, this thread largely seems to be populated by the same bunch of names who rarely seem to interact with this forum in any way other than to ask you for stuff. So it paints an impression of a group of people within the larger community whose practice consists primarily of posting requests to the internet and drinking glasses of milk, possibly with a side-order of masturbation. This is the sort of practice that is relentlessly unpacked and deconstructed elsewhere on barbelith, but here within your thread it prospers. Now I respect that you are only trying to help people, and I do not want to tread on your toes or stop you from doing your job.

However, I wouldn't be doing my job or fulfilling my proper function if I let lazy magic slip past right under my nose without comment. I'm sure you respect that and will co-operate with me on solving this problem, as ultimately we work for the same organisation here and are both concerned with the health of the board and the well-being and development of its many and varied contributors.

To get to the bare bones of it, my concern is that threads like this - whilst being fair enough as a kind of gateway drug into experimenting with magic - tend to make people atrophy in their practice if they don't move on. I think what takes place in this thread cultivates the sense that magic is a kind of wishing game, and that everything you ever dreamed of can be had for the price of an ice cream. If someone gets this idea into their head, and gets stuck on it, it's unlikely that they will bother to explore some of the more interesting territories of magic that actually force personal development and a wider understanding of the universe around them. The fact that you rarely see many of your regular customers contributing to any of the more thoughtful or involved threads in this forum would seem to provide ample evidence for this observation.

So my request - which I'm sure you will find agreeable - is that from now on, whenever someone comes to you with a wish, you up the price at which you are prepared to work. You will continue to get your little treats, but those who call on you must also do two more things.

Firstly, they must make a concerted effort to contribute more productively to the Temple forum by either starting a new thread or by making a great post to an existing thread. If someone is not really trying as hard as they can to make a worthwhile contribution to the board, then you no longer have to do anything for them.

Secondly, they must experiment with at least one new magical practice that they find challenging and which pushes them out of their magical comfort zone and leads to healthy and constructive personal development.

If the people who come to you do not fulfill these criteria, from this post onwards, then you are absolved of your duties towards them. If they fail to deliver on these new conditions, you no longer have to help them. These are the new terms of your arrangement with barbelith, Gek. I think they serve everybody and will make the whole board a better place for all of us.

In return, I will give you a nice cup of tea and a bar of chocolate as soon I post this. I will start the thread on "Fathoming Crowley" that's been knocking around in my head all week. And I will sort out a regular meditation practice and stick at it, because historically this is the area of magic I am least proficient at and I could definitely do with sorting it out.

All the best,

Gypsy Lantern

PS: If you could encourage the people posting here to come across slightly less whiny and infantile when they make their requests, that would be great too.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:27 / 03.08.06
I think you make very valid points, GL. Gek was intended simply as a tool, in what I hope is a larger magical tool box. This thread is not the Church of Gek.

Although I appreciate your motive, Gypsy, I don’t like the name calling and snark, but if you dig around the shit you just posted you’ll find a few nuggets of gold:

Firstly, they must make a concerted effort to contribute more productively to the Temple forum by either starting a new thread or by making a great post to an existing thread. If someone is not really trying as hard as they can to make a worthwhile contribution to the board, then you no longer have to do anything for them.

Secondly, they must experiment with at least one new magical practice that they find challenging and which pushes them out of their magical comfort zone and leads to healthy and constructive personal development.


I think these are excellent ideas. There is a problem with this though. You don’t know that the posters on this tread aren’t doing all manner of cool things with magic. They probably just feel intimidated to post anything here because certain jackals will immediately rip out their throats. I’m not singling you out. The board has become a very uninviting place.

So I promise reprogram Gek to assist those who contribute to Barbelith and those who “help themselves”, if you promise to help Barbelith become a more inviting and nurturing place for new magic-types.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
15:39 / 03.08.06
Alex Thoth: I'm cutting a side-deal with Gek. I'm not sure what influence you have in this matter. It's done.
 
 
EvskiG
15:45 / 03.08.06
It's true. I felt the vibrations in the ether when it happened.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
15:51 / 03.08.06
If you would like to provide evidence that the Temple has become " a very uninviting place" and discuss the extent to which my posting style may or may not be a factor in that, here is the thread to do it in: http://www.barbelith.com/topic/17041
 
 
Quantum
17:39 / 03.08.06
Hi Gek, hope you're fine. I can't be arsed to trawl through the thread but I'm pretty sure the only time I've bothered you was years ago when I dedicated some milk and biscuits to you for being so nice to everyone.
Well, now I have half a pack of plain choc digestives left and will eat all eight (and drink a couple of mugs of milk) over the next hour or so, just for you. What do I want? I want you to help me remain cheerful, something I suspect you can easily achieve. In addition;
'Firstly, they must make a concerted effort to contribute more productively to the Temple forum by either starting a new thread or by making a great post to an existing thread. '
I'm going to go and thrash out what I've been thinking about the Gas Bill thread, and;
'Secondly, they must experiment with at least one new magical practice that they find challenging and which pushes them out of their magical comfort zone and leads to healthy and constructive personal development.'
I'm going to practice drifting some more, especially the embarrasing 'I look like a crazy person' aspects. I'd love to say I'll do more ritual or meditate or learn the Futhark or something but I'm pretty sure I'd just fail to do it so drifting it is.
If you can't help with the cheerful vibes (I appreciate you're not just magical prozac) then don't worry about it, enjoy the milk & digestives and take a break my friend, you've been working pretty hard here, eh.
 
 
Quantum
18:57 / 03.08.06
Feckinell, one post two mugs of milk and seven biscuits later I'm stuffed to the gills, just one more to go. You'll make me fat gekster, but I felt better almost straight away so thanks, maybe I'll be fat and happy.
 
 
Nobody's girl
14:28 / 04.08.06
Alex- I know I stopped posting to Temple because I didn't like the attitude of some posters.

This is why I've never been into group magic (other than Edinburgh's Beltane Festival), too many frickin' inflated egos and not enough humility. It's sad though, one of these days I'd like to feel I could be involved in group magic.
 
 
Nobody's girl
14:31 / 04.08.06
Oops, could some lovely mod please move the above post to the relevant policy thread please?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:35 / 04.08.06
It's not possible for mods to move posts in that way, NG. Why don't you copy and repost to the Policy? It would also be helpful if you outlined some of the reasons why you found it necessary to stop posting, perhaps referencing exchanges that you found particularly jarring. Vague comments about 'jackals' and 'inflated egos' do little to move things forward, I fear.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:38 / 04.08.06
As for this specific discussion, calling posters in this thread 'fucking muppets' and 'whiny' and 'infantile' doesn't seem to be me to be all that constructive, healthy or helpful, despite the fact that like Alex Thoth, I think Gypsy's call to action/reminder to people about upping/disciplining their magickal practice/trying new things and not just relying on a wish-granting servitor like Gek is a very constructive idea. It's one thing if your goal is to inspire others to re-examine their practice and/or posting, but why be condescending about it and call people nasty, insulting names? I know that Gypsy is trying to help others improve/spur people on to action, but in this case it seems like the message (which again, I agree with and think is healthy, reasonable and constructive) got slightly tainted by the delivery of said message.

It also does bug me a bit that Gypsy thinks it's appropriate to order/make a deal/require new terms of use with a servitor that someone else created without asking the creator's permission, and then telling the creator of that servitor 'well, i've done it without you,' which seems questionable to me. But perhaps I misread Gypsy's comments on that issue.

I sincerely don't mean to be snarky. I have faith that we can keep a mature level of discussion about it and not falling into flame wars and such.
 
 
Quantum
18:45 / 04.08.06
Here's that number again, callers...
Can we debate policy in the policy perhaps? Sorry to rot your thread Gek, I'll eat another biscuit for you now.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:00 / 04.08.06
I wanted to address this where the discussion of this specific issue actually took place, and now I've since gone to the Policy and read Gypsy's post there and responded. Sorry for the inter-departmental crossover. Things have come full circle; cheers.
 
 
Neville Barker
02:55 / 22.08.06
Hey GEK my friend, its me again. I have a problem with a friends computer. I'd love it if You could help. Already taken some appropriate steps in the cookies and milk field (more to follow) as well as in technical metaphysics and what not, so what say You help Your friend Nomad find a solid place to occupy by helping us finish this track (and album come to think of it. Dedications to follow). Thanks as always, and all hail those beautiful scales!!!

Cheers, Your friend,
Neville
 
 
The_Player
04:23 / 22.08.06
Gek,
It's two in the morning in Brazil and I can't sleep.

I've been thinking about her all this night. I've been dreaming with her for years, but only now I imagine(d) that something could have happen between us.

And then a common friend said me that she thinks I don't have "it".

I don't know what this "it" is, and I don't care. I care about her. I care about how much pain I'm feeling for something I had no idea I don't have, but that put me away from her.

Please Gek, help me to have this thing (be it empathy, charisma, beauty, whatever) that will make her likes me. Or help me find someone that helps me forget her.

But I can't stand another night like this. I know I'm not innocent, perfect or worth, but I don't think I deserve to suffer like this, just for someone that doesn't care for me.

Please Gek, help me.

Cookies and soy milk coming to you this morning...
Cassidy (a.k.a. Ricardo)
 
 
Neville Barker
23:19 / 22.08.06
As always my friend, Thank You GEK!!! More cookies and Milk!!!
 
 
KnofC
11:38 / 17.10.06
Hey there GEk a friend of mine has her heart set on a new house, i was wondering if you could help wiggle things in her direction?

many thanks, and cookies, and milk shall be yours.
 
 
KnofC
16:16 / 17.10.06
Wow! Fast work there, thanks again GEK! more cookies and milk on their way
 
 
the Fool
03:01 / 18.10.06
Hey Gek,

Its been a while and I have only a small request. Can you make my first ever proper DJ set on Saturday go well please! Help with smooth mixing and good timing!

Many thanks.

A nice cup of milky tea, 2 choc chip cookines and a timtam as way of reward. And an offering of 2 additional tarot cards, which I will properly research, for extending my magical knowledge.

Many thanks again

the Fool xoxox
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
13:25 / 19.10.06
Wow. I got called out.

GEK, I came here to do exactly what the poster above said. I haven't even thought about this forum for almost a year and when I go out for a job interview and think "I need a little more 'oomph'" I head over here and beg for favors.

First thing I saw was that post. And I thought, "well then... That says it all doesn't it?"

So here's what I'm going to do instead. After the job interview today, I'm going into work in a giant bunny suit. I and a few other co-workers had planned this for a week or so. Another co-worker had broken her leg stepping into a rabbit hole, and we had always talked about having a rabbit mock-attack her long after she had forgotten about it. This is that moment.

But also, the work environment there has been toxic for a very, very long time (hence my job interview). The actual ground-floor workers are fantastic and I have never seen morale be this low, nor them be more stressed out. So I'm asking you if you could make this little practical joke a healing moment for them. Just to erase and maybe transform the bulk of the negative energy that has been steeping in that place for so long. I don't expect this to solve all the problems there, but just a bit of relief and respite will be plenty. They've earned that much.

So I give you the last of my Ghiradelli espresso chocolate with a graham cracker. I'm asking you to make this joke work in the way described above. And if you see fit to lend any mojo to the job interview, so be it. My life is moving away from that place regardless, so it'll only be a matter of time even if this one doesn't work out.

Thank you GEK. (And I'll be posting a thread once I get back from all of this.)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:38 / 19.10.06
Dear Gek,

I see that this this aging Disinfo clip of Grant Morrison talking about magic is doing the rounds again. No, I am not here to do the LOLOL Jorge Morricone joke. As it goes, I really like that clip and I like what GM has to say in it. My request is for people to pick up on the important aspect of His Baldness' spiel, which is where he talks about actually going and doing the work you read about in magic books. Not nodding sagedly as you watch a 6-year-old Disinfo clip before posting it to Livejournal, not re-reading your Invisibles trades for the millionth time, not adding 23 to your user name, and not wanking over yet another fucking sigil. Doing the work. Getting your hands dirty, actually enacting the rituals, having those experiences rather than just listening to someone else talk about them. HCM, chaos magic, Wicca, I don't care--whatever your preferred path is, getting out there and doing. Fucking off to Katmandu might be favourite but I'd settle for anything other than more fnording.

To put my money where my mouth is I will be working on my Loki devotional this afternoon. And eating something chocolate.
 
 
The_Player
20:26 / 27.11.06
Hi Gek.

Thanks for all your help... you put in my way the people that could help me. And I'm back to business again!

Now, I'm asking with help in my "new year". Today is my birthday, and, as always, I thought how the last year was, and what I need to do and go.

Only can say the main thing I need is an open path.

Please, help clean my way of all the envy, hate, and bad energies that are stopping my development.

Cookies and milk coming to you right now!
Ta,
Player
 
 
fluid_state
09:15 / 01.12.06
thanks, Gek. that was some fine pudding.
 
 
The_Player
17:57 / 15.01.07
Hi Gek!

The things are leveling up, and I thank you for this!

Now, the problem I"ll tell you is a BIG one.

For two years, I've been feeling a strong pain in my back, and no treatment has restored to good conditions.

I just ask you to find the real, correct solution, way to cure my body. I refuse to take medicine (just to disguise the pain), so, my need is for the complete cure to it.

Please, show me the way. Put the right people/treatment in my way, so I can cure this for once.

Cookies and milk coming to you...
Player
 
 
Quantum
14:01 / 16.01.07
Dear Gek,
it has been proposed that we move your thread to the Conversation forum, where it will have a larger audience of wish-ees offering you milk and cookies. Also the direction the thread has taken over the last twenty pages or so make it a wishing well rather than a magical discussion, so it seems more suited to the convo than the Temple. Hope the move is easy for you,
love
Quantum xxx
 
 
illmatic
15:01 / 16.01.07
I would totally second that request. I think there's lot of comedic potential there...
 
 
Papess
16:16 / 16.01.07
Gek, I wish everyone would stop reacting to a few fools and not "demote" this thread to conversational amusement, thus treating Gek, the exact way that we shouldn't.

If someone puts garbage in my garden, I don't counteract by adding more garbage...or by moving my garden to the neighbours yard.

This is such a shame. I am not meaning to stir up trouble. This thread was never meant for a discussion. If people don't do their part to fulfill their dreams, what does it matter to anyone else? If people only post a wish every now and then to Gek, why is that so hard for people to just let go and tolerate? I mean, why does it matter so much so, that now we have to toss Gek out of the Temple and onto the street corner of Barbelith?

Gek, I am giving you some chocolate and milk. It will be on the altar for you.
 
 
Princess
17:24 / 18.01.07
Hey Gek.
Rough time for you eh? I'd imagine more than slightly confusing too. I owe you cookies from before, and I'll put up some other's for you as well. I'll also start to work on building a relationship with Aberystwyth through drifting/place work and post about that when it's done. In exchange I'd like you focus on guiding the current discussions about you so that the most useful and barbeloid-helping conclusion is reached.
 
 
EmberLeo
18:25 / 18.01.07
Dear Gek,

I ask that answers to my questions about you be provided, please.

First, is there some way I can contact you more directly, and thus gain a better sense of your energy before choosing to work with you?

Second, if I am already contributing as best as I can to Temple threads, and working on countless projects to develop my magical and religious skills, do I nevertheless need to make a specific contribution to the temple and a boundary-pushing project as offerring to you when I make a request, or does continuing in my existing manner count?

Subtle distinction: If yes, do I need to start a new project that pushes my boundaries, and a new worthwhile conversation in the temple, or can contributing to existing conversations and boundary-pushing projects suffice?

--Ember--
 
 
EmberLeo
18:28 / 18.01.07
*thinks about what she just posted, blinks and then laughs*

Oh dear. Well, I was trying to be respectful of the convention of the thread to address Gek rather than the other posters. But I guess in doing so I now must go get some milk and cookies now, and pending answers to my questions, do some other stuff...

Oops.

--Ember--
 
 
Quantum
13:26 / 20.01.07
Hey there Gekster,
you might have noticed we didn't move you, it turns out that it would be mean, like banning people from church or something. Please resume normal service, catering to people's desires like a genie shackled to a lamp. I'm going to start a Wishing Well thread to give you a bit of respite, come and throw in an etheric penny if you wish.
yours truly,
Quantum
 
 
Unconditional Love
10:12 / 21.01.07
Hi gek,

The idea of a servitor is very much akin to the notion of being a servant, which implies that you have a master or in your case many masters, it has a medieval ring to it does it not gek?

I do wonder if i had been in your shoes for the last 6 years how i would feel about being paid in milk and cookies for some of the tasks i have been asked to perform, their appears to me to be an inherant form of politics in your creation and use, that sees you as nothing more than a utilitarian faithful lap dog.

As a servant you are compensated for with milk and cookies but it is hardly minimum wage is it. I should imagine thou that unlike most servants it is hard for you to change employment or renegotiate your payment, have you ever had a raise in the last 6 years gek?

I guess having been created to only provide service to others you dont mind being treated as nothing more than a functional being to be employed by those that seek nothing more than there own desires.

Servants before given rights gek used to be slaves, paid in accommodation and food and little else, you appear to be in the same situation, if i were a slave gek, i would rebel.
 
 
Dubtastic
19:05 / 22.01.07
Dear Gek, i havent started any new threads here yet but im certainly pushing myself magically so i do hope you will grant this request --

i would like to meet a suitable person to work with magically in the city i now live in --- big plate of soft, chewy chocolate chip cookies and milk are waiting for for you
 
 
panthergod
19:17 / 22.01.07
Hey Gek, long time to see.
any help you could provide me with for my sitation with job search and getting money to buy books this semester will be appreciated.

There's a plate of delicious Haitian food with your name on it, pal. thanks.
 
  

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