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Seaguy #2

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:10 / 19.06.04
YOU FUCKING PAIR OF BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!

You made me cry. Like a girl. ON THE FUCKING BUS HOME FROM THE COMIC SHOP!!! THAT WAS FULL OF PEOPLE!!! About a flying tuna fish that talks like Ernest Borgnine. Getting twatted by clockwork wasps. I am SO pissed at you. Both of you.

Ahem.

Fucking wicked. Absolutely fucking wicked. I'll post more on the content when I've stopped blubbing. LIKE A BABY. You utter, utter cunts.

Krypton Comics in Tottenham (London) still has some #1s... but they only had one #2. Does this mean it's gone to reprints already? Cos that can only be a good thing, right?

I've just bought (as well as #2) my THIRD... count 'em... THIRD copy of #1. (One was for me... I lent it to mono, who lost it, so I bought another one... then she found it again so I let her keep it... and I just bought another copy for a friend at work who hasn't been paying attention when I've been telling him DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRADES, DAMN YOU!!! GET THE ISSUES, SO SALES'LL BE GOOD AND WE'LL GET VOLUMES 2 AND 3!!!)

I'm absolutely fucking adoring this comic. (Well, aside from the emotional trauma. Bastards.)

(And to think, Cameron, when I read those preview pages you posted way back when, I was thinking "this looks great... but how am I supposed to care about that fucking FISH???")
 
 
Triplets
15:52 / 19.06.04
http://www.jahozafat.com/cgi-bin/wavs.cgi?BASEketball=sexy.wav

Ernest Borgnine, singing. Now if only I could find a clip of him singing, "zippady doo dahh". Sigh.
 
 
Triplets
15:56 / 19.06.04
Just you and me
like two waves on the sea
Like two cups of tea
We're happy to be this way...

Just me and you
Like a sock with a shoe
It's so much better with two...

 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:42 / 19.06.04
I hope everyone agrees that this issue contained a clear and obvious homage to that bit in Transformers when Goldbug and Blaster get infected by Scraplets and are stuck out in the desert, dying slowly.

Yes? Yes!

Anyway, I know this is where it all gets nasty and poignant, but I thought this issue had some of the funniest lines Giles Morrison has written:

"I'm only a poor octopus shepherd. These stubborn sheep of the deep don't just herd themselves..."

"It's not the Xoo we knew..." (only works out loud)

Best of all:

"Poor Chubby! He's always hated water!"
"I hate water!"

PS: The guy with the Xoo-sniffing mask = totally Child Catcher.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:54 / 19.06.04
>>>PS: The guy with the Xoo-sniffing mask = totally Child Catcher.<<<

Bing-Go!

That was exactly how he was described. Yay to Fly for spotting it and I guess yay to me for drawing it correctly!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
23:03 / 19.06.04
Yay!
 
 
Spaniel
01:17 / 20.06.04
The bit that really made me laugh was

"This is the life!"

Just the Ed Wood style enthusiasm of it. Enthusiasm and total belief in the face of fucking stupid odds.

Well, maybe just in the face of sheer stupidity.
 
 
Gus
01:36 / 20.06.04
Excellent comic indeed. I don't normally buy comics as individual issues anymore (just bound collections) but the discussion of the first one here made me go out and buy it. Truly worth it. It's having me exhibiting good old comics-fan behaviour: trying to get to the store as early as possible to be sure to get it, avoiding all potential spoilers before reading it and picking the right mood for reading (I read mine sitting on a terrasse while drinking slush, due to the summer feel of it (which wasn't as strong this issue, but still.)).By the way, either they printed a lot less than the first issue or it’s selling really well because I took the last one at my store also.

I love how Atlantis had declined to the point of being not much more than a tourist attraction well before its physical demise.

One thing : I hope that there is some older common source that also mentions ancient artificial hives that produce swarms of clockwork wasps, because otherwise I’m going to have to assume that Morrison got the idea (consciously or not) from the Magic : The Gathering artifact card « The Hive ». Which is a bit disturbing.

There are no polar bears at the south pole, AFAIK.

I’m getting a vague flashback of that statue in Deadenders, which issue was that?

What’s child catcher ?
 
 
CameronStewart
02:15 / 20.06.04
>>>What’s child catcher ?<<<

Terrifying kiddie abductor from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
 
 
Triplets
04:04 / 20.06.04
Is it just me but does Seaguy look REALLY sexy without his helmet on? Mmm.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:09 / 20.06.04
Am I the only one who's hoping, nay, praying, that #3 will involve Seaguy trying to once more outwit Death to get Chubby back?

Dammit, I KNEW this was gonna happen. Right from the moment my eyes started prickling in the scene in #1 when they're watching TV- people ONLY say "you're always there for me" when it's gonna go horribly wrong soon...

Ah, that aside, this truly is awesome. The big, angry Xoo... Seaguy's octopus farmer disguise... the smoking heads... fuck, even the clockwork wasps (BASTARDS!!!). I haven't given this much of a shit about a comic in ages.

And Cameron- fuck the whole "too cartoony" shit. I thought that myself when I first saw the preview pages- but you match the writing perfectly. (Just goes to show... don't judge a 23 page comic by a 4 page preview!)
 
 
The Falcon
14:40 / 20.06.04
So, what's that flag Seaguy's wearing in his shit disguise?

Texas?

Liberia?

I actually have a book of flags from a horribly mis-spent childhood, but can't seem to find it.

"A book about crazy people? Seems to me you'd half to be half-crazy yourself to read that." Yes! That definitely brought to mind the once-Runce' (what is this marriche?) hatred of 'weird' as a pejorative.

Was gonna say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!, but everyone beat me to it.
 
 
Triplets
15:11 / 20.06.04
http://www.henry.k12.ga.us/pges/kid-pages/islands/easter/default.html
 
 
The Falcon
15:38 / 20.06.04
How obvious.

Ah well.

Thanks for the smokes.
 
 
Krug
17:27 / 20.06.04
What's that song anyway?
 
 
Triplets
18:16 / 20.06.04
Is it me, or is Big Xoo talking in the 64 letter alphabet?
 
 
Ganesh
18:31 / 20.06.04
Is it just me but does Seaguy look REALLY sexy without his helmet on? Mmm.

Sexier with. Everyone looks more attractive in neoprene...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:25 / 20.06.04
The switch in tone from the previous issue to this one was enough to give me whiplash...almost as if the world of the first issue was a tissue paper covering for what was underneath. The slow tearing away of Seaguy's innocence was almost heartbreaking to read (and the death of Chubby cemented it) and I wonder how it will all wrap up.

Most three issue mini-series strik eme as a one issue plot stretched into three, but this is just the opposite and feels like an entire year of some series in an entire issue.

More please.
 
 
---
19:33 / 20.06.04
I was gutted when Chubby died right at the end of this, i got 1 and 2 together and finished off with dead Chubby!

Good story and art though, i liked the page where the giant Xoo goes apeshit becuase in one panel the movement effects are brilliant, one of those moments where the comic literally comes to life, that was amazing. I have to say i have one compaint though : we lost the little Xoo, i fucking loved that being!

"XOO!"

I've gotta get the comics back out to find the part that made me laugh the most.......GOT IT!

"AH, SHUT UP WILL YA!"

"WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A QUIET SMOKE HERE"

"BOTHERING NOBODY TILL YOU CAME ALONG. GET OUTTA HERE."

HA HAAAAAAA

BRING BACK DA CHOONA,
BRING BACK DA CHOONA,
WE NEED OUR PAL CHOONA,
HE'LL ALWAYS BE IN OUR HEARTS,
YOU TWATS


Anyway, i'm loving the moon/rocks with Egyptian symbols on them part, i'm dying to know whats happening there and think it's really effective the way you see it again and again as the story goes on.

Also, i've only just found out that it was a three issue mini, oh wait, didn't Cameron say there was more than this and if so does anybody know when it carries on? PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ME we get to find out the moon issue before the end, i think i'll go madder than i already am if that's any part of a cliffhanger......i really hated even typing that.

Nice work to the both of you anyway! What date does the next issue come out?
 
 
The Natural Way
21:30 / 20.06.04
Oh yeah, I forgot about all that stuff about "cartooniness". WTF? Talk about an utter contempt for art.....

Pleased you didn't dignify that business with anything other than a "Huh?", Cam.
 
 
the Fool
23:26 / 20.06.04
Yeah, Chubby's death got me too. This is really weird, but if Chubby were human, (and a little smarter) I'd probably want to shag 'im. He reminded me alot of a good friend who I don't get to see enough of these days.

...


Did I just say I'd shag a fish??? eeeekk!!
 
 
illmatic
09:22 / 21.06.04
The part that cracked me up the most: Chubby in a souester. 'Cos he hates water - "YA KNOW I HATE IT SEAGUY!".
 
 
bigsunnydavros
10:01 / 21.06.04
Loved this. The shift in tone between issue #1 and issue #2 seemed very fitting to me -- the first issue was all melancholic slouching, going through the motions, etc, whereass this issue is one burst of dreamy madness after another. Underlying the punnish randomness there's a really neat structure at work here -- issue #2 seemed to flit back and forth between "This is the life!" style high adventure and something far darker and creepier. I like this story rhythm -- it's simple, but effective.

Things I especially loved in issue #2 of Seaguy:

--The fact that the world's melting icecaps have been covered in chocloate, because chocolate makes everything alright, doesn't it?

--The tourist centre in Atlantis (quite like the idea that this big old mythic place had been reduced to a tourist spot, as mentioned up-thread).

--Seaguy's Quitely jaw in that "maybe we should just pretend that none of this ever..." panel.

--The term "stubborn sheep of the deep," as well as the moth-to-beak resuscitation joke.

--Peter Doherty's colouring. Again, there's just the right mix of brightness and murk here -- such a nice sense of eerily shifting mood...

--Cameron's art, which is just so perfect. You've really captured that sort of... enthusiasm that Seaguy has for this sort of adventure, as well as the elements which make such adventures dangerous and unsettling. This is so key to the mood of this series (see my above comments about the back-forth story rhythm), and I can't imagine anyone else pulling it off quite like this.

--The ending. I mean, we all saw it coming, but that just makes the fact that it was so affecting even more impressive. Definite shades of Adaptation for me, mostly because of the song ("Imagine me and you, I do/ I think about you all the time/ It's only right" etc).

Roll on issue #3!
 
 
Sax
10:04 / 21.06.04
Do you reckon the children being punted away along the sewers is anything to do with Anti-Dad? I mean, if he's anti-dad, he'll do the opposite of "dad", which is giving life to children...

And he must be on the moon.
 
 
_Boboss
13:51 / 21.06.04
nothing proper to say yet but on the little things:

don't think i didn't notice which motherfuckers be getting their full names on the ledge page - nice

and an advert for cameron on constantine? when and where this appear first time out please? would pay to see

and salems lot the remake! yeehahh! rob lowe?rutger hauer?? don sutherland???andre braugher????! yes please mr king
 
 
&#9632;
14:21 / 21.06.04
Hmm. Just read it and then this thread (yes, it means I'll have to buy another one, but who cares!).
As I read on down, I was stuck by the number of references to its dreamlike quality, and especially the theory that Seaguy is dreaming all this. Then I thought "This is very like a childish dream of what it might be like to be a superhero" ...only gone very wrong.
This was seriously reinforced by Cam's admission about the Childcatcher. I still sometimes see that scary bastard, but I used to meet him a lot. It also accounts for the fun non-sequiturs like the chocolate-bergs, the confused sexuality of She-Beard and particularly the idea that climbing something underwater makes any sense at all.
I may not be wholly on the money but I think there is something to be said for linking it to Grant's repeated desire to have all the superheroes back (Flex, f'rinstance).
Why don't we need heroes any more? They all beat the Anti-Dad: something about how childhood dreams go sour when we realise we've grown up?
Ah, I dunno.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:27 / 21.06.04
>>>and an advert for cameron on constantine? when and where this appear first time out please? would pay to see<<<

We-eell...not quite - I inked a few issues of Brian Azzarello's run, over pencils by Giuseppe Camuncoli. Fun gig, but not something you'd pick up if you were after my artwork specifically. They did put my name nice and big on the cover of the trade, though - a sign that my stock is going up, perhaps, I dunno.
 
 
Johnny fighters
15:34 / 21.06.04
A bit late on the ball here but finally got round to watching The Prisoner taped off the telly the other week and was struck by how much Seaguy 1 referenced the programme (sorry this should probably be on the other thread). The whole vibe of New Venice - sitting around playing chess in this permanent sunshine holiday home with pastel colours and an eccentric old sea captain (while nasty shit goes on under the surface) - seemed like a very deliberate nod to the Village. I know Grant's given the Prisoner the nod before in the Invisibles and probably elsewhere.
 
 
_Boboss
15:41 / 21.06.04
stripey shirts you mean?

shame about hellblazer. i like an excuse to pick up the further adventures of john, the writing is usually so woeful you need a special reason. do a whole issue innit, i'd get that i would.
 
 
&#9632;
22:53 / 21.06.04
I don't think I've actively enjoyed Hellblazer since the late 80's. The only reason I keep going is that it's the only comic I have collected since issue 1 that was any good.
Anyway! This is a Seaguy thread!

"I Hafta Go"
Isn't there some cheesy song about a father dying which ends "You know, I hafta go away..."?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:54 / 21.06.04
Been thinking about the "too cartoony" criticisms (which as I already said are bollox), and it occurs to me, that needn't be a bad thing...

Am I alone in thinking "Seaguy" could make a fucking WICKED animation to rival "The Maxx"?

Cameron: would that be something you'd like, or hate? (I know absolutely cock all about the comics industry, and the animation one for that matter, so this is a purely "curiosity" type question).
 
 
SiliconDream
03:25 / 22.06.04
One thing : I hope that there is some older common source that also mentions ancient artificial hives that produce swarms of clockwork wasps, because otherwise I’m going to have to assume that Morrison got the idea (consciously or not) from the Magic : The Gathering artifact card « The Hive ».

He's done it before. Remember the Helicoptera from Marvel Boy? Or Cliff's robot/insect nightmare toward the end of Doom Patrol? I think it's probably just an offshoot of that particular obsession of his.
 
 
&#9632;
09:29 / 22.06.04
Right MTG, so that's yet another geek-teenage culture item referenced to go with the death of Superman/Robin/Supergirl. and The Prisoner. and Crisis. and the Smiths. and Soylent Green/Dare. All thrown together with little consistent logic. I feel my hypothesis getting stronger. Oh, yes.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:27 / 22.06.04
Getting a distinct milligan/mccarthy echo (but that’s all it is, an echo) from this strange tale. Must be the piratical seasoning.

Cameron – art is beautiful – as mentioned preev – underwater mountain climb is a crackin page – reminds me of cell animation art. But double spread of atlantis – well done – that’s some difficult shit to draw and you pulled it off with ease. Tho I thought the first 3 pages were the weakest to be honest – style seemed slightly out of whack compared to all the other pages I’ve seen so far – to be honest I think the Philip Bond influence was maybe too strong for my own tastes.

The absurdity of the stiry is what I lap up most – all that nonsense with chubby bashing the ‘bike’ (wasps nest) – fuckin dumb, bizarre nonsense.

But the horror!!! And chubby’s plaintive, ‘what’s happening?!’ – that was weird and unsettling - in the way a child seeing their parents fuck is unsettling.

And the art here – during the bee episode – superb – nasty – horrifying!

Chubby’s chapped lips as the sun beats down and then maybe the best double spread - the 3rd and 2nd last pages – the pagelength vertical panels (4 of) fuckin class.

Panel layout throughout was superb – story telling flows without a hitch.

Man – those pictures of fucked up chub still disturb.

Boboss – "this is the life" as he skites up a huge wave – my fave too.

Adventures Ahoy!

Ps. Chubby’s patter is so deliberately shit – he’s ma fave sidekick since ro-jaws.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:30 / 22.06.04
meant to add - first panel, top left of page: is seaguy facing huge xoo face, - it speaks which utters some mashed up language.

this panel - wow - kinda classic.

really wow.
 
  

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