BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Seaguy #2

 
  

Page: (1)2345

 
 
CameronStewart
06:00 / 16.06.04
Seaguy issue 2 comes out today, Wednesday June 16.

I'm really happy with this one, much moreso than the first issue (at least as far as my drawing is concerned). Grant's also written some tremendous stuff here, this issue was a real challenge but ultimately a complete joy to draw.

Hopefully everyone likes it, this is the place to talk about it!
 
 
Sax
06:07 / 16.06.04
Curses. No, no Seaguy for Brits until tomorrow. Which, when you think about it, is completely wrong.
 
 
Ganesh
10:38 / 16.06.04
'Tis wrong indeed. Damn your eyes, New Venice!
 
 
FinderWolf
12:49 / 16.06.04
we get to SEE the Wasps of Atlantis that were mentioned in the first issue?? KEEWWWLL!!!! Can't wait til I pick this up later today --
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
13:15 / 16.06.04
I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally hope I can find time to get to my comic shop today...
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:32 / 16.06.04
Hah! I've already got it. And it's sweet. And kinda sad.


"Guess what, Seaguy?" Great page, Cameron! I think I sniffled a little.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:13 / 16.06.04
I laughed I cried I kissed a few bucks good-buy!

I noticed some computer generated stuff going on... was that a request from you to the colorist... the colorist's own ideas... or was I imagining...
 
 
dickens432
22:48 / 16.06.04
Lovely issue. Really sad at the end. I also liked the irony of how Seaguy regrets having helped the Xoo. Even though Seaguy's actions were correct, it led to some arguably bad consequences. I can't wait to see what happens next.
 
 
Billuccho!
22:57 / 16.06.04
What? It's out? But... I didn't see it.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:48 / 16.06.04
I liked it, but I was a little confused about the Cape Horn sequence...so they went through Cape Horn where everything (even the polar bears) was covered in dark chocolate, just to collect some chocolate? OK....but the transition from the previous scene to the Cape Horn scene felt a little weird to me. Twice I turned the pages back to make sure I hadn't missed a page.

And the other dark chocolate-as-land-mass confusion thing came up for me when they go to Atlantis and Seaguy says "careful now Chubby, stay with me, we don't want to crash into half-melted dark chocolate" -- but they're not at Cape Horn anymore?? They're underwater, right, far from there?? I see a big brown mountain or land mass near Atlantis underwater, but are we to understand that's chocolate too?? Then, several pages later, Seaguy mentions they're in a dark chocolate Sagrasso sea that has to melt so they can leave the area?? So the sea is now part chocolate too? How could they be floating around in if it was hard (since they're saying they have to wait for it to melt?)? There's an awful lot of chocolate!

This is all just on a first read, but honestly, I was a bit perplexed and I don't normally think of myself as dense.

Anyway, lots of good stuff here. The guy who can tell there's a Xoo nearby looks like a homemade Cipherman from the INVISIBLES.

It gets very realistic and very dark very quickly with our heroes stranded....I don't know quite how I felt about that abrupt change in tone.

Also, the sequence with the interrogation on the ship seemed like it might have been a little too much action crammed into a few short pages. When they said 'how did you like your dinner' and Seaguy is all dazed, are they feeding him something with a truth serum-type thing in it? Or is he just playing dumb about remembering back to when he ate/drank the Xoo? This scene came off slightly wonky to me as well.

Have we seen the last of sometimes cute/sometimes deadly XOO?
 
 
CameronStewart
00:41 / 17.06.04
>>>Also, the sequence with the interrogation on the ship seemed like it might have been a little too much action crammed into a few short pages. When they said 'how did you like your dinner' and Seaguy is all dazed, are they feeding him something with a truth serum-type thing in it? Or is he just playing dumb about remembering back to when he ate/drank the Xoo?<<<

He's had a blackout - he can't remember anything between the time the Ship's Master says "Take a good look" and then eating his dinner in the ship's mess. Forget-Me Pie.

Sorry there was some clarity troubles for you, hope a second reading helps a bit....
 
 
FinderWolf
01:23 / 17.06.04
I guess it goes without saying, but there are BIG SPOILERS HERE PEOPLE!!!!!

---



Thanks, Cam -- I honestly think that if I still feel certain pages are a bit wonky, it is probably a Grant script issue and not your storytellnig...that's the sense I got from my first read. (the chocolate stuff and the interrogation on the ship seem like writing things that weren't so clear as opposed to art things) But then again, maybe I'm the only one who found these a bit odd.

The end is very jarring - we're definitely not in a happy cartoon world anymore. I'm particularly drawn to Chubby's emaciated, all messed-up mouth as he fades away. Now of course, my first thought is "do we magically revive Chubby or is really gone for all of issue 3?"
 
 
FinderWolf
01:27 / 17.06.04
oh, and I didn't think Seaguy felt that XOO was exacting too-severe vigilante justice...and I don't think we're meant to feel a whole lot of sympathy for the assholes in the ship who the pissed-off monster XOO attacks....I thought it was those corporate Haliburton types getting their just desserts I got a sense that Seaguy was just so startled... like "whoa, this is some serious shit, I don't quite know what to make of this" with his "Not the Xoo we know" line and I feel like he's just taken aback at the abject fury and rage of Xoo - like he can't relate to wanting to destroy your oppressors with such intensity.
 
 
Jack_Rackem
02:35 / 17.06.04
Just wondering, is it still possible to find an issue of Seaguy #1?
 
 
wicker woman
05:57 / 17.06.04
Spoilers ahead





Well, the second issue has drawn me in, as pretty much anything Morrison has a habit of doing lately.

Absolutely loved the scene of Seaguy climbing Mount Poseidon. Underwater. There was something really sad about all that... and the signpost pointing directly to Atlantis was classic.

Not exactly sure why the water/weather clears back up at the end of the issue, though. Something to do with new understanding on Seaguy's part with the departure of Chubby? And Chubby being Death's new best friend, only going with him because "He says I hafta."?

Overall, a really good issue. Damn you, Grant, for sucking me in halfway through a 3-issue story.
 
 
diz
12:31 / 17.06.04
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

NOT CHUBBY DA CHOONA!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
 
 
FinderWolf
12:38 / 17.06.04
>> ... and the signpost pointing directly to Atlantis was classic.

I second that emotion.

Also, Cameron really rocked on drawing the Xoo-Gone-Wild-and-Terrible, and its rampage as it tears the ship apart. The panel where Seaguy says "Maybe we should forget this ever happened" has a kind of Quitely look to it -- I think it's Seaguy's jaw looks Quitely-esque.

I notice Death has no more Hitler cowlick (either that or it's under the hat).

And how weird is it that I can't look at a picture of anyone holding a dead body without thinking Superman/Supergirl in CRISIS or Batman holding Jason Todd's dead body?
 
 
CameronStewart
12:55 / 17.06.04
>>>And how weird is it that I can't look at a picture of anyone holding a dead body without thinking Superman/Supergirl in CRISIS or Batman holding Jason Todd's dead body<<<

Yep, when I read that page in the script I knew it was going to be a challenge to draw that page and NOT have it look like either of the above.

I failed.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:59 / 17.06.04
Maybe, but you managed to make Chubby look -tragic- even though he's a lovable cartoon character style of floating fish. The slashed up / chapped lips creeped me out the most and on rereading continue to make me feel really uncomfortable. But, actually, so does seeing Seaguy unshaven.

I still think the opening sequence is my favourite, though; the lines about madness spreading like a disease and your Easter Island heads are brilliant.
 
 
Ganesh
16:07 / 17.06.04
Very dreamlike in terms of scene-shifts and fades in and out.

Subtle Smiths reference with "some whales can sing... and some should stick to playing the piano". 'Round the Horn' is slightly Morrisseyesque too.

Didn't think the polar bear was covered in chocolate. Assumed it had evolved to fit its environment.

I thought of the Ciphermen too, with the guy in the boat. And LaPen and the U-Men. Black shiny-skinned, respirator-snouted creatures are a repeating motif of Morrison's, the big ol' perv.

The XOO Industries fisherman = Eeevil Cap'n Birdseye?

"Gidt!"

Machinery of the Ancients - I think the same theme's gonna be explored in Vimanarama. Eight hundred clockwork wasp-stings, leading to that scene. NOOOOOOO!! etc. The red blanket was what made it Super...
 
 
CameronStewart
16:12 / 17.06.04
But did you like it, Ganesh?

>>>I noticed some computer generated stuff going on... was that a request from you to the colorist... the colorist's own ideas<<<

What specifically are you referring to, Tricks, and I'll tell you if it was my idea or Peter's...
 
 
CameronStewart
16:13 / 17.06.04
>>>Just wondering, is it still possible to find an issue of Seaguy #1<<<

Probably somewhere, though I must admit if it's sold out that makes me kind of happy...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:34 / 17.06.04
Cameron, you must answer me this!

I've been wondering ever since I saw you mention that you scan your pencils and print them out to ink them... what do you ink on? Do you print the pencils directly on to the standard A3 comic book board?

I'll get back to this issue later, I really need to read it a few more times. It is very dreamlike, and I was a bit struck for what was actually "real" and the like (although I really appreciate this consistently going ways I just didn't imagine so far). But I read it when I was pretty tired, and imagine it will lend itself to re-reads very nicely (as comics so often do).

Nice wasps. Poor Chubby! Love that there's almost a sense of grounded reality to the "adventure".
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:41 / 17.06.04
I also really want to say: Morrisson loves his whales dunee?
 
 
Ganesh
16:48 / 17.06.04
But did you like it, Ganesh?

Yes, I did. Even more than with Issue 1, I wanted to reread it as soon as I'd finished - and then read it again. I agree with you, Cameron, that your artwork's even better this issue, and captures the dream-shifts beautifully. Mood-wise, it still reminds me of Really & Truly but with a meaty, involving story behind it.

For some reason, I particularly liked the XOOctopus. The mouth-to-beak snoggery reminded me of the scene in Sebastian O where the cross-dressing lesbians scare the police away by claiming madness/sexual 'inversion' is contagious. And the smoking heads were great.

Dunno if it was conscious or not, but one of the fishermen in the Eeevil Cap'n Birdseye boat made me think of Big Dave.

And the giant XOOform was, erm, a tad Freudian...
 
 
FinderWolf
16:51 / 17.06.04
>> "Gidt!"

Yes, seeing this repeated was interesting. The use of it her makes me think it is indeed supposed to mean a blunt, harsh, brutal "Get it?" as a 'Lither theorized in the #1 thread. (or the pre-#1 thread)

Climbing the big mountain was definitely cool.
 
 
CameronStewart
16:56 / 17.06.04
>>>Cameron, you must answer me this!<<<

OKAY!

>>>I've been wondering ever since I saw you mention that you scan your pencils and print them out to ink them... what do you ink on? Do you print the pencils directly on to the standard A3 comic book board?<<<

I do my layout pencils print-size, then scan them in to Photoshop, enlarge them, turn them to faint blue, and then print them out on the standard DC artboard that is supplied to me. I sometimes do some additional pencils if I feel I need to work something out a little better, but more often than not I just hit it with ink. I'm trying to do more and more of the actual drawing in ink, because it makes for more interesting, energetic drawings, not to mention that it's quicker than drawing it ALL out in pencil and then ALL again in ink. Maybe when I get back to the studio (I'm at home now) I'll post a before-and-after comparison of my layout pencils to final inks.

>>>And the giant XOOform was, erm, a tad Freudian<<<

Bloody psychiatrists. Anything longer than it is wide, eh?
 
 
Ganesh
16:59 / 17.06.04
Bloody psychiatrists. Anything longer than it is wide, eh?

I'm thinking you just slapped it on the artboard and drew round it...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:04 / 17.06.04
Ah Cameron, that's super helpful! Thanks. You must have a big printer - and I'm glad you say that you try and do most of the drawing in ink because I fully agree with you on that. I think your artwork is totally vibrant, and I think in part it's very much to do with that.

I really like the big splash-y pages, and all the architecture (particularly the atlantis double).

And now all future readings shall be tainted by Ganesh's mind. I'm sure I'll soldier on, though... so far, I like how quick this issue is, it just keeps moving, and that's kind of refreshing these days.
 
 
Ganesh
17:11 / 17.06.04
From Chambers Reference Online:

flense verb (flensed, flensing) 1 to cut the blubber from (a whale, seal, etc) and slice it up. 2 to flay or skin (a seal, etc).
ETYMOLOGY: 19c: from Danish flense.

XOO = whalemeat? Or just Cameron'smeat?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:13 / 17.06.04
Stop it! I even went and looked at the main splash page of Xoo... you don't have tendrils do you, Cam?
 
 
Sax
17:26 / 17.06.04
HAHAHAHAHHA!

I went into the shop today and they'd under-ordered Seaguy and had one copy which was in the ubergeek customer's special file but because the guy in the shop thinks I'm swell he took the one copy out of ubergeek's special file and sold it to me!

And I'm going to read it! Now! Because the football's finished!

(Don't worry, Cameron, the shop's getting more in next week).
 
 
FinderWolf
18:00 / 17.06.04
Thanks for the flensing def., was wondering about that.

is the little song Seaguy sings from something else, or did Grant write it himself?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:50 / 17.06.04
So Chubby wasn't Seaguy's imaginary friend after all?
 
 
Ganesh
19:56 / 17.06.04
I guess he wasn't his 'chubby' either.
 
  

Page: (1)2345

 
  
Add Your Reply