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Astonishing X-Men #1

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
21:06 / 31.05.04
With Wolverine, though, I just don't understand why they don't go back to the brown/gold suit from the 80s instead of the 70s/90s canary yellow/baby blue thing.

Isn't it just the colour scheme? They're all in blue and gold, apart from Emma Frost, qhich is a shame. She could do with a proper new look. At the moment she appears to be dressed as Destiny.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:28 / 01.06.04
Matthew Fluxington I think that some of you may just lack a frame of reference re: costumes. You didn't read all of those 90s issues!

If you enjoyed being patronised then Flux now offers a 24 hour a day phone-line where you can phone up for his choicest comics/music related put-downs. Don't ask him about anything involving the real world though, that would just be cruel. The number is 1-800...
 
 
diz
14:52 / 03.06.04
Cyclops' costume is starting to grow on me, but god help me, i don't know why. i think it appeals to whatever bizarre aesthetic sensibility that makes me the only person i know who likes the look of the Scion xB. Hank's costume and overall look, however, are awful. Wolvie's too, but i've always hated his blue and yellow costume, so that's nothing new.

as far as AXM #1 goes... it's OK. it's better than i expected. i really liked Emma's speech, Kitty managed to not annoy me, and i like the idea of a "compassionate" antagonist trying to cure mutants of their "disease," kind of like the ex-gay movement and all that. Scott vs. Logan seemed kind of out of place and forced, and kind of out of character for Logan (whatever feeling she may have on the issue, i can't see him barging into Scott's bedroom and picking a fight... it's doesn't jive with his territorial nature), but i like that Beast bitched them out for it and Logan quasi-apologized to Kitty about it and more-or-less acknowledged that he was out of line. Cassaday's art is really nice, overall, even though i don't like some of the costume designs and Scott's face looks distractingly weird and not at all "right."

interesting. not terribly exciting, but not bad either. about as good as one could expect in the current atmosphere at Marvel. solid.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:42 / 03.06.04
With Wolverine, though, I just don't understand why they don't go back to the brown/gold suit from the 80s instead of the 70s/90s canary yellow/baby blue thing.

Hmmm I suspect it's a marketing thing. PRIMARY COLORS sell... Blue & Gold (er yellow) speak X-men very much. It seems easier to drive charactor recognition when you can establish a color pallet of 100% yellow + 100%cyan 40% black.

Much easier than figuring out the exact colors for Wolvie's (admitable more appealing) Brown and Orange(?)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:21 / 03.06.04
Nah, it's not a color/marketing thing. It's as simple as this: the "new" Marvel of a few years ago didn't sell up to corporate expectations and failed to crack the non-comics mainstream, so the kneejerk reaction is to do everything differently because "good stories and less spandex" didn't work.

And then there are licensing concerns...
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:41 / 03.06.04
it's the licensing concerns I was refering to.

it's easier to print Yellow & Blue on a Happy Meal plastic cup or a cereal box than it is to print a consistant shade of Orange and Brown.
 
 
penitentvandal
19:18 / 03.06.04
Cassaday's art is just too realistic and it makes the body-condoms look as dopey as they would on TV or in a film.

My suspicion is that it's meant to look like that. I'm kind of hoping that Whedon's way of dealing with the bring-back-the-spandex mandate will be to have twelve issues of Wolverine, Beast and Kitty complaining about the bloody costumes, and Scott wandering about and not realising how much of a dickhead he looks in his full-body condom. This could be the first serious superhero comic in which the stupidity of the characters' costumes actually relates to the characterisation. This is how I look at it:

Scott: was never happy with the leather outfits, and Xavier's openness vibe, so he's chosen the most constricting, body-hiding garment he could have - he knows he can't really hide his identity, but he wants the security of the full face cowl. Scott's costume makes him look like a sad old man retreating into some kind of adolescent fantasy - which is how he should be.

Emma: is wearing more clothes because she is, of course, with Scott now, and Scott - being 'Uptight Scott' - is not comfy with the idea of his woman running around in that bikini she wore in NXM. Still, he realises that Emma will want to wear a sexy costume, and probably actually quite likes seeing her run around looking sexy too (though he wouldn't admit it), so he has compromised, a little. I also think the cape is vaguely reminiscent of a wedding dress, which shows some of Scott's subconscious ideas emerging.

Logan: Well, Scott hates Logan, and he knows Logan hates the costumes, so obviously he's going to deliberately make him wear the stupidest Logan costume ever.

Hank: This is harder to call, becuse it seems to make no sense whatsoever. Best guess is that it's a misguided attempt on Scott's part to recreate Hank's old Beast costume (when it was just the shorts), and Scott is in denial that this really won't work given that the Beast is, well, more bestial.

Haven't really analysed Kitty's costume yet, but it doesn't matter what she wears given that she's essentially a new member. Personally I liked her Excalibur look, alternating betwenn big jumpers when off duty and that sexy pair of blue tights when she was off being heroic, but I'm aware that's just me...

And I'm also aware that these costume changes are actually an editorial edict Joss has to go along with anyway, but it would make sense for him to use them as detailed here in his run...And would give a valid creative reason for the reason the costumes, as drawn by Cassaday, make them look like total dickheads: they're meant to. Only Scott is too dumb a character to notice...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:34 / 03.06.04
Haven't really analysed Kitty's costume yet, but it doesn't matter what she wears given that she's essentially a new member.

Kitty's costume is a variation on the basic X-Men uniform that novices traditionally wear - the original X-Men, the New Mutants. Kitty wore that costume when she first joined the X-Men. She's the new kid in this dynamic, she wears the new kid outfit.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:04 / 03.06.04
I'm liking the idea that Scott spent long hours designing all the costumes himself - like Single Eye for the Mutant Guy...
 
 
penitentvandal
22:34 / 03.06.04
Yes, on closer inspection Kitty is wearing a mild variation on the generic X-men newbie outfit...

And spending hours designing the costumes himself is, I think, exactly what Scott would do. He suggested the costumes. He's team leader now. He's going to make them all wear the kind of costumes he wants them to wear, and if they don't like it they can damn well go and join another team because it's his ball, dammit, and if they want to play with it then they'll play by his rules! Wah!

Cyke may give many high-minded reasons for having the costumes, but we all know it's just because he wants to play dress-up. And the fact that Whedon has actually foregrounded this fact makes me hope his run on AXM will be very good indeed...

Btw, anyone notice how well Cassaday shows the characters' reactions to the costumes? Kitty is tugging at her glove, not quite sure she likes it yet; Beast is clearly of the opinion that his new suit demands a kind of macho, Hercules-pose, and is trying (not very well) to pull one off; Cyclops is striding forward in what he imagines to be a calm and dignified manner, and simply adding to the comedy effect of his stupid, stupid costume by doing so, Wolverine is showing open contempt for his outfit, and Emma...well, Emma looks good, but then Emma is a total clothes horse and would look good in any outfit. Hell, she'd look good in Scott's outfit. She'd look good in Hank's.

I thought that was rather neat, myself.
 
 
Simplist
23:08 / 03.06.04
You know, I was just flipping through the new issue of Uncanny in the store, and Logan's outfit didn't actually look too bad in that context, rendered in a more standard comic booky art style amidst a bunch of other goofy looking costumes. I guess it's a combination of Cassaday's ultra-realism and this particular cast's recent history of outfits that looked SO ridiculously much better that kills it in AXM.
 
 
Simplist
23:57 / 03.06.04
Morrison's run was so great you went out and bought nearly 100 issues worth of B&W trade paperbacks and the sight of the new costumes in Astonishing X-Men was so jarring you don't think you can continue to read the book?

Well, those B&W trade paperbacks made much more sense of Morrison's run, much of which (particularly the final arc) would've otherwise been more or less incomprehensible. And they were a lot of fun, too, no doubt about it, but fun in that corny, older comics kind of way. The costumes went perfectly with the overblown dialogue, stilted narration and copious use of thought balloons; Claremont at that time was basically the comfortable avatar of the style of writing that made Roy Lichtenstein a very rich man.

Some of you guys are fucking weird.

I'll cop to that.
 
 
The Falcon
00:08 / 04.06.04
I'm liking the idea that Scott spent long hours designing all the costumes himself - like Single Eye for the Mutant Guy...

Dude, they have Shi'Ar machinery*. Do you know anything?

Yeah, Boomer (nee 'Boom-Boom') redesigned X-Force in #whatever (one of the Capullo issues) of the title. Real quick.

Also, the green guy is connected to the 'sympathetic cure cause'. 'S definitely his silhouette on page 1. Speaking of, classic x-heads such as myself, have to be thinking of Claremont's Aliens trib. race.

*Apparently unbroken.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:45 / 04.06.04
Dude, they have Shi'Ar machinery*. Do you know anything?

They have Shi'Ar machinery that makes stuff. Not that designs stuff, surely? Charles Xavier decided to take the Barbie Magical Shi'Ar Princess dress designer, just in case it came in handy? I think not...

I think you're thinking of the Brood, by the way.
 
 
The Falcon
01:57 / 04.06.04
Yes. Costumes are designed sharpish in the Marvel U, and often made of 'unstable molecules'.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:43 / 04.06.04
Costumes are *designed* with care and attention, if you're Cyclops; of course Boom-Boom would just slap something together. I bet he was up for hours with the unstable molecules sampler, looking at cloths. Only then do we get to the magic costume maker. Think of it as the difference between thinking of a groovy slogan and actually using the automatic badge-making kit.

Besides which, if you were Magneto, what would you destroy first? The library of mutant DNA samples? The records of mutant villains? No. The wardrobe room.

"The fools! Even if they return, now they shall have no option but to dress.... like wankers! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

Hence the move back to costumes - Magneto had destroyed all the leather outfits. All that were left were those terrible "graduation costumes" they occasionally made the New Mutants wear, which Summers had to stay up recolouring and restitching. Simple.
 
 
_Boboss
09:44 / 04.06.04
member the crouching tiger issue of planetary where the kung-fu looks a bit stupid?

well he has real trouble with one-on-one action sequences dunny? the awkward motion between wolvie-san falling and suddenly flipping upright, while scott floats to the ground having effortlessly negotiated a particularly jagged window...

pedantic, obviously, but i noticed it, and given that narrative style being used here is 'could you do it on tv' the sudden abandonment of tvrealism in the scott/logan scrap was jarring and silly. it's his own fault: the art looks nice, makes you want to look at it, but if you do it will reveal its own inconsistencies. not worth sacrificing two more years of planetary for imho.

and the dialogue made me shudder in a couple of places too: was scott's 'we're a team' meant to be a serious rejoinder to emma's 'violence of any kind will never be tolerated?' and then his whole explanation of their new approach felt really shoehorned in, and you can see huge yawning chasms in the dialogue where you know the buffyspeak is going to jump in: beast's not said anything yet on this page...wait for it..he's a wildean wit you know...

i mean, enjoyed the comic a lot in a 'woo-hoo! look at the stupid costumes! to the x-plane!' sort of way, and the kitty stuff nice if a bit 'this is how i write', but couldn't help noticing stylistic problems a-plenty that on reflection seem rather shoddy. looking forward to the next issue because the proof of the pudding is invariably in the violence, but
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:58 / 04.06.04
But what, cajun?
 
 
_Boboss
10:39 / 04.06.04
butts are for billy goats, as edwin jarvis once said to franklin richards
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:22 / 04.06.04
It still amuses me that people are accusing Joss of writing Kitty like a Buffy character when the Buffy series had at least three characters (Buffy, Dawn, Willow) who were clearly based on the Kitty Pryde template.
 
 
_Boboss
11:41 / 04.06.04
it's good you're amused. the fact that you know how, when, even why something is derivative doesn't stop the stale smell from offending me on this occasion.

here's something i forgot earlier: 'protective powers' how are her powers protective*? she's the last fucker you want standing in front of you when there's bullets flying.


*yes yes she can make other people phasey too, thanks for that
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:32 / 04.06.04
Certainly, Jeff Whedon is clearly a big Claremont fan - one look at evil Willow's outfit would show that. But to say that every female teenaged character in Bunny the Vampire Slayer was based on Shadowcat seems a bit of a reach.

Willow, certainly - geeky and insecure girl comning to terms with her power, realising that being good with computers is cool, and getting into a lesbian relationship with a woman with a dark past... that's all good. Plus, of course, the Xander/Anya wedding *is* Days of Futures Past. I will brook no argument. But Dawn? If anthing, Kitty Pryde's new goydo is ripping off Shiney McWhiney...
 
 
Sax
12:44 / 04.06.04
**And in the shadows, Haus waits to pounce on the first geek to pull him up about calling Joss Whedon "Jeff"**

It's a trap. Don't go in there.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:54 / 04.06.04
What? All his *real* friends call him Jeff...
 
 
Sax
12:59 / 04.06.04
You're just trying to get invited to his wedding.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:59 / 04.06.04
"I thought you swore off the X-Men..."
 
 
The Natural Way
22:27 / 04.06.04
Fractal reality anyone?

Yes, please!





Loved, I loved yr stuff about watching telepathy classes for weeks on end. Urg! You could get soooo imaginative on the X-Books...... Just play it so differently.
 
 
Billuccho!
23:00 / 16.06.04
Well, um, I finally got a copy. And I read it. And...ahh...

...it was okay. Alright, even. I expected better. It is supposed to be Joss, after all. Art was pretty, though. Except Kitty looks radically different every panel.
 
  

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