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Astonishing X-Men #1

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
20:37 / 25.05.04
Okay, no more previews, no more speculation. This is the thread where we actually talk about the issue itself.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:33 / 26.05.04
Ha ha ha!

That was honestly fun as all get out. Closing sequence was a bit confusing for a second, until I realized it was the end of any above average episode of Buffy: Scintillating Montage Overlap.

That being said, two very nice reveals at the end.

I'm quite pleasantly surprised that this didn't feel like it was leagues away from Morrison's team. I think Joss, obviously, has a lot of regard for his run and I don't feel like he's taking the opportunity to spray Hershey Squirts all over its memory the way everyone else seems to.

Overall, I loved the art, and there was a fair amount of imagination and a much needed snark injection.

I want to read it again.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:43 / 26.05.04
I liked it a lot. It felt like it was just the second season of New X-Men, but under new management. I like Whedon's take on the characters - nothing was too jarring, he seemed to "get" them, especially post-Morrison Scott and Henry.

It helps that I'm just starting to get into Buffy right now - the authorial voice is definitely similar here, and Cassaday even makes it look Buffy-ish sometimes, especially with the action scenes. I keep reading Scott's dialogue in Xander's voice!

This is off to a great start. I'm very interested in seeing how this story progresses, and I want to learn more about the big bads villains.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:19 / 26.05.04
Ha! I didn't hear Scott as Xander, but now how can I resist? Although, once you meet Riley in Season 4, I think you'll find your Scott voice for good.

Now, how to not hear Henry as Giles? Or rather some kind of AmeriGiles.

I wasn't too sure about the bad guy until I realized it was probably him on the other side of the glass on Pg. 1.

After squeezing in a second quick re-read, so much adoration goes to the rock solid art. Anyone else probably would've thrown off the entire balance of the book's tone (I'm sure we'll see it first hand if/when either party starts to lag behind schedule). The only reason I'm so apt to buy pretty much everything in the book, all the snark and new direction, is because Cass is selling me on these being living adults. When's the last time you saw them in a comic book?

For example, the post-coit shot of Scott and Emma was so good that it actually caused shock at the Logan reveal. It's as if your watching people and not just reading a picture story, which is really essential to making a Whedon-penned comic work.

Buffy is so good because you can rely on people like Anthony Stewart Head and Nicholas Brendon to anchor your completely ridiculous allegorical fantasy world in real people. Cassaday's probably the only guy who can replicate that and still tell a story visually.

As much as I love the FQ and always will, the further away you get from a Cassaday-esque style, the closer you get to iconography. Most comics writers are experts as writing those kinds of stories (Could you imagine Seaguy working if Cassaday drew it?).

AXM is shaping up to be a completely different animal. It seems to me like the best product of an Outer-Media writer, and I think a lot of that has to do with Cass.

He sells it.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:43 / 26.05.04
Aside from the re-intro of the spandex, this really does read like New X-Men 2.0. Whedon seems to be taking the ball from Grant and running with the changes to Scott in a way that none of the other books have so far.
 
 
Captain Zoom
22:20 / 26.05.04
Some things that occur to me:

The re-introduction of Kitty is really fairly obvious, isn't it? What's Joss just spent the last 7 years of his life doing? Telling the story of a young female super-hero. Kitty picks up where Buffy left off. They're about the same age and occasionally of the same temperament. The intelligence part of Kitty would also gel with the Willow character from Buffy. I had originally thought Joss would be setting Cyclops up to be his voice in the series (What with the "But you're the team I chose" line), but Kitty makes far more sense.

On the costumes: Is it just me, or does Logan look somewhat uncomfortable on that splash page? And Emma's costume seems to have changed only slightly. No, that's a lie. It looks just like something Emma would wear. Do you think she's using her feminine wiles to get Scott to give her a break with the spandex? Cyclops looks like a stiff toy (insert dick joke here), an action figure. But of course he does. That's what Cyclps is. And I don't like Beast's costume. At all. It looks like it would really hamper breathing.
 
 
spacemonkey
00:12 / 27.05.04
+1 on Beast's horrible costume (worse than his costume in Claremont's return during the "Revolution" thing). Cassaday's fantastic art can't save that.

As much as I dislike spandex, I was feeling a rush while they were suiting up. But, it just felt too short. Only 11 more issues to astonish us...
 
 
rexpop
03:20 / 27.05.04
Well it was nice to look at, but it felt a little anorexic, which is a shame as the quality was way above the other reloaded X titles. I felt a couple of the characters were a little off, but I'm glad that Josh is carrying on the Emma and Scott relationship where Grant left off rather than try and run it into the ground like some of the other writers seem to want to do.

But definitely the big complaint was that it was too thin on stuff actually happening to really form an opinion. I really get the feeling that this decompressed storytelling doesn't really work when you only have 22 pages to play with and a month wait between installments.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:16 / 27.05.04
I hate decompressed storytelling in comics with a passion, and I really don't think this issue is all that decompressed. It establishes quite a bit in about 20 pages - it reintroduces Kitty Pryde, it sets up a conflict with Scott and Logan, it shows us that Scott and Emma are together now, it introduces two villains and puts them both in action at the end of the issue, so that the X-Men come directly in contact with them in the next issue. It gives us a plausible explanation for the new costumes/new line-up. It gets a LOT of exposition out of the way so that the next 11 issues can move forward.

If things are going slow two issues from now, then I'll be complaining, but I think Whedon's going to try to pack as much story as he can in 12 issues.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:22 / 27.05.04
This was pretty good...more fun than dramatic. Cassaday's art looks great but man, his Beast looks almost NOTHING like the Beast Quitely drew (and over the course of time I saw other much lesser Marvel artists draw the "new" Beast and they still kept him very on-model - why the change, I wonder? I kept thinking of Imp's Eek the Cat joke). And that new Beast costume is STUPID. Ditto the new Cyclops costume. And the grey/silver visor works when it was thin in the Quitely run, but the big Byrne/Cockrum bulky Cyke visor colored grey/silver just looks odd.

I like that it seemed to be Cassaday drawing in the styles of Paul Smith (and sort of Byrne) for Kitty's 'ghost' memories at the beginning. The idea that mutation is a flaw or virus is interesting. Nice idea that Emma would want to see which students got off a little too much on the idea of violence (but come on, what X-Man wouldn't have at least a little fun smashing up some Sentinels?).

Cassaday's Scott also looks facially weird -- sort of too beefy and wide-faced, no?

Nice set-up. I like that Whedon remember's Grant M.'s concept of the virtual meeting room (different than Prof X or Jean's telepathic virtual meeting rooms, since they're both gone now).

And Lockheed is gonna come back? Cool!

I hope Whedon writes Kitty as not just reverting to her 10 years ago days while still keeping her youthful fun. It would be nice to see Marvel not totally turn back the clock on her maturity and growth (even though, as Randy Ladner states in his review, the past 10 years of Kitty have been pretty much crap anyway).
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:09 / 27.05.04
I don't think it's really a big problem that some artists draw the characters a little differently, and have their own idea about what they should look like. Cassaday sticks with the feline Beast thing, and that's enough - I'd rather him be comfortable drawing the characters as he thinks they should look. It's not that different from when Frank Quitely started, and lots of folks were mad about the way Jean Grey looked. Different artists "cast" the characters differently, and that's kinda cool if it is done well by artists as strong as Quitely and Cassaday.
 
 
Bed Head
14:22 / 27.05.04
Blimey.

“Quite frankly, all the black leather is making people nervous”

I can’t decide if I love this or not. I think I do. And ooh, such pretty artwork. Yes, I do love this. The Quitely joke has tipped it, I’m a sucker for superheroes who make me smile. Groovy feeling, to already be looking forward to the next issue.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
15:46 / 27.05.04
I take back my pre-emptive grumbling about this title -- it's not as good as NXM, naturally, but I was pleasantly surprised. Ditto on the "second season" and solid art comments.

I'm hoping Whedon never goes any cornier than this, though; the real people / contrivance level was already a bit high for me (especially the oh-so-meta costume stuff; and no, this issue did nothing to convince me that they need to be in body-condoms again, especially suits as ugly as those).

I will say, though, I really loved Kitty's opening sequence -- probably the only Claremont-era "homage" in an X-Men book that absolutely worked in spirit, tone, and execution; every time other writers try to imitate or foreground the Claremont style of plotting/dialogue, it ends up awful. (And that includes Claremont himself doing his post-1991 bad cover version.) It probably helps that I just blew through ESSENTIAL X-MEN VOL. 5...
 
 
doyoufeelloved
15:48 / 27.05.04
I'd also like to say that I was uncomfortably attracted to Scott in this issue. Even though his visor was weird, and apparently sticky-tacked onto his face. But I'm not gonna complain, because I think the more-exposed-face aspect of it actually contributed to me being uncomfortably attracted to him. Ahem. I need a cold shower.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:30 / 27.05.04
Someone on another board also pointed out the Beast's feet seem not to be quite as dog-or-cat-rear-leg like as they were under Quitely. Ah well. I'll shut up about Cassaday's Beast now.

And yes, that opening sequence with Kitty reliving various memories of her past was really well done. Simple and elegant.

I agree that I hope Whedon doesn't get any cheesier than this from here on in. He's treading a nice fine line now.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:55 / 27.05.04
They aren't getting rid of Beast's secondary mutation, it's just the way Cassaday draws. Salvador Larocca obviously goes through a lot of effort to draw Henry as much like Frank did as he can, and Alan Davis' version from UXM #444 follows the Quitely model closely as well.
 
 
Simplist
17:14 / 27.05.04
I basically liked it. It was well written, and not too jarring a shift from Morrison's run. A good, solid reintroduction of the characters and setup for some old-school X-Men action, combined with the newish twist of the "mutation as disease" announcement. Having read his Fray, I expected decent, non-hackish writing from Whedon, and he didn't disappoint on that score. Cassaday's work was also impressive, particularly Kitty's facial expressions; that wistful look as she watched her past self on the stairway was exquisite.

A few quibbles:

The whole Scott/Logan run-in felt forced and somewhat out of character given their recent history.

Scott's visor is freaking gigantic! And he sleeps with it on?

And those costumes... Ugh! Kitty and Emma actually look great, but the guys look uniformly stupid. Logan, well, I don't really even need to say anything, do I? As for poor Hank, I can't imagine how anyone could've thought that gigantic X-diaper was a good idea. Scott's outfit is the easiest to get used to, I suppose; after all, it's basically just his Claremont-era costume with outdated bits like the underwear and booties removed (though personally I would've expected the full-head cowl to go with them). Still looks dumb, though.

So overall I liked it, but not so much that I'll be picking it up monthly; I kind of gave up monthlies with the end of Grant's NXM, and a book would have to be pretty damned compelling to get me to return to that format. I'll almost certainly pick up the TPs based on the strength of this first issue, though.
 
 
Krug
17:47 / 27.05.04
The costumes are pretty fuckin terrible. The "making people nervous" line just doesn't work for me. I'm actually happy Morrison got off the book because I wasn't enjoying it and his new work seems more promising anyway.

I basically picked it up for Cassaday's art which makes Planetary enjoyable. I never liked Buffy so I'm not here for Whedon. This isn't bad but I'm not really impressed by any of the writing, it's not terrible but if it said "Scott Lobdell writes" I'd have believed it. There's nothing here that we didn't expect or haven't seen before.

Still it's a first issue.

"We have to astonish them!" was deeply embarassing. How can a grown man write like that?
 
 
doyoufeelloved
18:03 / 27.05.04
Just FYI, the solicitations for ASTONISHING X-MEN #4 say "The X-Men storm the Benetech labs to confront Ord" -- so I guess we can assume that Ord is the green-faced hooded guy's name. Short, easy to type.

He's a little bit Buffy-villain-tastic, judging by this ish and the preview art over in the AXM #2 thread. We'll see.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:07 / 27.05.04
"X-diaper"! HA!
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:55 / 27.05.04
I thought this was really nice, actually. Nice and fun, took me back to the old X-men cartoons, oddly enough. Lovely feeling.

The art is lovely, lovely, LOVELY. Although, I do have difficulty with Kitty's face from certain angles. I dunno though, apparently that's just me. The rest is great. I was actually pleased to see Wolverine back in his stripey costume...

I wish it didn't seem like so many people were down on this by way of bigging up Morrisson beyond belief. It's X-Men, guys. Nice and simple.

Which cover did you all get? I got the big team shot. You could say it's... boombastic.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:37 / 27.05.04
Standard POPed claws on my cover...

No major complaints... Nice reintroduction of Kitty.

Beautiful art...

I'll read on.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:42 / 27.05.04
I ummed and aaahed over which cover for a while, until I decided the others were far too minimal (also: really had enough of those kinds of wolverine covers) and needed to be shunned in favour of POP! pow! etc.

In fact, the only thing that dissapoints me with the team cover, is there is no explosion which says "ALL NEW! ALL DIFFERENT!". A missed oppurtunity.

Large prize to the first person who puts BOOMBASTIC on a comic cover absolutely drenched in hyperbole.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:48 / 28.05.04
I'm with Suedehead: really, really liked this. For those who enjoyed the character interaction bits in NXM but were annoyed by the art inconsistencies and massive freaking plot holes, I'd say this even has the potential to go one better. It's just potential so far, and the bad guys look a little generic, but we shall see.

I think what I like best about this issue is the fact that it actually deals with some of the fallout from the very abrupt end of 'Planet X'. I've always thought the aftermath more interesting than the big bang, and so I found there was something really dissatisfying about the way Morrison ended his run with four issues of stuff that kinda, y'know... never actually really happened. Whedon's always been very big on aftermath, and the way relationships between friends/teammates get fucked up by what happens while you're fighting the good fight.

So I loved the Scott/Logan clash: I'd be fascinated to know how anyone can think this is out of character. Yes, in Morrison's run it was made very clear that while they would snark at one another, Logan had a lot of faith in Scott. But I think that's been shot to pieces now. I think if you read back over conversations like Scott/Logan in the Hellfire club or Jean/Logan on Asteroid M, you can tell Logan honestly thought Jean and Scott would work things out. Instead... well, see my comments here.

And of course Scott's lashing out has a lot to do with Jean's death as well, I think - otherwise I think he might say something rather than just blast away, no matter how creepy it is to wake up and find an angry, furry homunculus sitting on the end of your bed... (Probably my favourite panel, that one.) The stage of grieving that comes directly after denial is anger, by the way. Nice touch.

One other little weird thing: Emma says Xavier is "on sabbatical". Um, he kinda quit, didn't he? This could just be an odd choice of words, only elsewhere other people refer to how Scott is "acting" headmaster. I like to read into it that they're all refusing to accept that Charlie isn't coming back for good, which would be denial except that in time, of course he will.

I do think it's funny that every new writer/title starts with the X-Men saying "Right! No more getting our asses kicked all the time - now we're going to get out there and so some good with a new pro-active approach!" - I'm sure the Summers plan of dazzling spandex featsn will end up in tatters the same way Xavier's corporate International Rescue idea did.
 
 
DaveBCooper
08:51 / 28.05.04
Well, I thought that was a lot of fun. It didn’t feel ‘decompressed’ to me, but then again I tend to equate decompression with the issues of Transmet which feature several pages of characters lighting a fag or whatever. Liked the memories/homages bit with Kitty, and all the characters were well (re-) introduced, as was the knowing stuff about the Mansion being rebuilt. Nice and easy to follow.
Liked Kitty’s dig at Emma

And of course, good solid art by Cassaday, who I’ve never been disappointed with. The placing of the Sentinels double-pager after the ad page worked really well, I thought. And the ‘new costumes’ spread was interesting in that the characters weren’t dead-centre (as I recall- don’t have the issue to hand). Which is interesting in that it’s not how such things are usually done.

Got my two quid’s worth, I’d say. There are already various suggestions online that this book might not stay on a monthly schedule – Fray and Planetary are cited as bad precedents – and whilst I hope Whedon can keep on-time, I don’t feel any real worries about Cassaday, as I think the main delays on Planetary weren’t really down to him, were they ? Or have I missed something ?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
10:56 / 28.05.04
Wow, I think Fly really nailed it right there. I'm liking this more and more the more I think about it... very promising. Can't wait for more. Just totally nails that "mansion" feel for me.

Birdie, right on about the art. Noticed it more second time... Wolvie at the end of the bed? So good. He makes these people seem so real, so subtle. Great lighting.
 
 
Spaniel
11:09 / 28.05.04
Really enjoyed this. By far Joss's best comic work to date.

I actually found Kitty's flasback moving - a rare thing indeed.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:16 / 28.05.04
Let's hug.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:24 / 28.05.04
Yeah, basically a nice read. Had a couple of quibbles with the confusing 'montage' sequence at the end, and just wasn't convinced by the new BAD costumes, but it had a crunchy satisfying quality, and nice characterisation. Really loved the classic Scott and Logan tussle - when are they going to fuck and get over it?
 
 
The Natural Way
11:25 / 28.05.04
Is X-Corp in tatters?

Yes, I really like Whedon's X shit. I wasn't particularly expecting to, but I do.

Vere good.
 
 
Spaniel
11:50 / 28.05.04
On the flashback - really is a lovely example of film technique translating well.

Cassaday really is spesh, isn't he. Reminds me of the early Quitely days on NXM (although I'll always prefer the slow-coach).
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:51 / 28.05.04
I LIKED: Emma's speech, something along the lines (I'm working from memory here): "We must help humans, just never trust them."

I DISLIKED: Scott's rationale for being super-heroes. I'm being bad here but I'm pressed for time, my rant about this was in the second half of my blog entry here, if you feel so inclined, please ignore the personal stuff and go down for that.

Emma's speech does seem to disagree with Scott's, it'll be interesting to see if there's working conflict between the two down the way over this.

I thought a year or so ago it was said they were going to have Kitty be younger than she had been, was that forgotten about as she seems to be about twenty now. But her power isn't defensive only, it futzes up electrics, although that seems to have been forgotten about as she entered the Danger Room. And as Grant never used it once, can I say "yay Danger Room!"

I suppose 'Professor Xavier is on sabbatical' as everyone expects that sooner or later he'll change his mind and return to the school, when sales figures are lo- I mean, when he's worked through his own stuff.

And is it too much to hope that those costumes are supposed to look stupid?
 
 
Spaniel
13:05 / 28.05.04
But her power isn't defensive only, it futzes up electrics, although that seems to have been forgotten about as she entered the Danger Room.

Now, can you say that whilst holding your nose?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:17 / 28.05.04
And as Grant never used it once, can I say "yay Danger Room!"

Apart from the issue in which he did, which was helpfully entitled 'Danger Rooms'.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:24 / 28.05.04
>> Although, I do have difficulty with Kitty's face from certain angles. I dunno though, apparently that's just me.

Not just you. In certain panels she looks slightly older and in some, slightly younger. And the panel where she raises her hand saying "Uh, why am I here?" looks bizarre to me, cause her hand is positioned in a way that it doesn't look like it's really attached to her body. It looks like one of those plastic hand props.

BUT, Cassaday is amazing and that's just a nit-pick.

The montage at the end is confusing cause you're not sure if the Baddie is attacking the lobby outside the speech the woman is giving or some other posh place entirely.

Isn't it cool how the final credits black panel emulates the blackout and "Executive Producer: Joss Whedon" feeling of Joss' tv shows?

"We have to astonish them" was kinda cheesy, but had some emotional punch to it, too. I can't decide if I really like that moment or not.
 
  

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