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Designing A Japanese Tattoo

 
  

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Mike-O
01:49 / 16.02.04
Hey all... so, 'm looking to get a tat in Japanese Symbols, translated from english to read "Better Luck Tomorrow"... anyone happen to have the slightest clue how I can get my hands on a stylized translation without paying for it?
 
 
mixmage
09:18 / 16.02.04
Go to your local languages centre... you know, where all the foreign students hang out. Find a cute Japanese one. Offer to buy the coffees if they do the translation. Ask what each character is called. Look for good renderings on the internet.

At least, that was my plan... not tried it out yet.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:27 / 16.02.04
Have you considered getting "Your language is pretty to look at, but not worth the effort of learning" tattooed on your face?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:32 / 16.02.04
Or perhaps the Japanese characters for "highly-punchable cultural tourist"?
 
 
Char Aina
17:39 / 16.02.04
or just not bothering with a foreign language tattoo unless there is a really good reason to? is better luck tomorrow a japanese saying i dont know of?

maybe you should go and watch memento again, and realise that the roman alphabet is actually quite cool in a tattoo.
yeah, everyone will be able to read it, everyone who speaks english.
but so will all the japanese people who see the original idea. be aware that to them it will just look like words.
 
 
Smoothly
18:00 / 16.02.04
I *heart* Jack Fear.

In fact, I'm going to get that tattooed. To my cock.
 
 
Squirmelia
18:22 / 16.02.04
Look in a Japanese dictionary?

How about this one?
'kajinhakumei' - Beauty and luck seldom go together.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:26 / 16.02.04
I'm planning to get the characters for 'rei ki' tattooed on my shoulder. How punchable would this make me? Would this be a full-face knuckle sandwich, requiring stitches and/or dental work, or would I merit something less drastic-- a kick in the shins, perhaps?
 
 
Mike-O
18:36 / 16.02.04
Perhaps "Mentally Deficient White Boy Thinks Japanese Will Score Him Points With The Ladies In Thornhill"..... Yeah, I'm a dork, I know.... But hey at the very least I've managed to become joke of the week here and take a little heat off the regulars for once. To that end, I am grateful.
 
 
gingerbop
21:09 / 16.02.04
A while ago, I read about a woman who found some nice material with japanese characters on it, bought it, and made it into a dress. Everyone thought it was lovely. Then she went to Japan, where everyone laughed at her. Turned out it said "condensed milk".

If you go down the language student path, beware. Or never go to Japan.
 
 
mixmage
21:21 / 16.02.04
Squirmelia: Thanks for the link, already had it in my favourites.

The reason I thought of enlisting the aid of a native speaker was to eliminate confusion. When I get a list like this, I'm not sure if the version I'm looking for is there. I need the command-form - whatever that's known as grammatically.

I've got a fair list of words and phrases I'll eventually get around to translating. I'd prefer that they were correct, that they read properly - form of address etc.

err... not for tattoo's, tho. The funny one [allegedly] is when tat parlours correlate chinese characters to english letters, then let people spell english words/names with 'em.

I guess it reads kinda like a japanese t-shirt.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:06 / 16.02.04
is better luck tomorrow a japanese saying i dont know of?

Not to my knowledge, but it is a much-hyped indie film about Asian-American wannabee gangstas--all of whom are of Chinese or Vietnamese descent, not Japanese.

%%But, y'know--Chinese, Japanese, what's the difference?%%
 
 
Mike-O
04:38 / 17.02.04
Jack, I've seen the movie (quite good actually, screened at the T.O. film fest no less), but that's not where I had the idea for the tat. And yes, I know the kids in the movie obviously aren't Japanese, nor am I confused about the fact that there's obviously a very pronounced difference in any asian culture, same as the diversity within any skin colour, buddy... so I just like the saying and happen to think that Japanese has both a beautiful look to it's characters and is somewhat intruiging in and of itself. Yeah, maybe that comes off as somewhat kitchy, but honestly, who gives a fuck?
 
 
A
06:10 / 17.02.04
The only thing more deep and spiritual than a tattoo in an alphabet you're completely unfamiliar with would be a tattoo of a unicorn riding a dolphin over a rainbow.
 
 
ibis the being
14:11 / 17.02.04
Yeah, maybe that comes off as somewhat kitchy, but honestly, who gives a fuck?

Well, that's a fine attitude for a movie or a t-shirt, but maybe not so much for a permanent tattoo?
 
 
diz
14:48 / 17.02.04
Not to my knowledge, but it is a much-hyped indie film about Asian-American wannabee gangstas--all of whom are of Chinese or Vietnamese descent, not Japanese.

actually, in the movie they are very intentionally vague about the characters' ethnicities. they are always referred to simply as "Asian" kids, never more specifically than that. apparently, that was a deliberate decision on the part of the filmmakers.

really fucking good movie, incidentally.

on the main topic: getting tattoos of Japanese characters or any other script or calligraphy you don't read strikes me as ridiculous cultural tourism, and it seems to have the same effect on many who have commented. i would rethink getting a tattoo like that if for no other reason than the fact that a lot of people are going to instantly peg you as a wanker if they see it, regardless of your intentions.
 
 
Char Aina
15:02 / 17.02.04
honestly, go watch memento again.
english writen all over yur body is cool too, and you will find an expert much more easily.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
15:10 / 17.02.04
a lot of people are going to instantly peg you as a wanker if they see it, regardless of your intentions.

Or assume that it is the name of someone you used to go out with, which you translated phonetically into Japanese two months before the relationship ended. As happened to someone I know, so it's what I tend to think when I see a tattoo with characters I don't understand on it.
 
 
pomegranate
15:52 / 17.02.04
i would wear a dress that said "condensed milk" all over it in english.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:29 / 17.02.04
I'm still concerned as to the effect of a reiki tatt on my overall punchability. For a start, I don't know any Japanese apart from those two syllables, really. But I do know what those two specific syllables represent. More to the point, I want them inked for that meaning rather than for the sake of having some of that kewl lookin' forn writing. Would this tattoo be more or less punchable than a butterfly?
 
 
Olulabelle
16:49 / 17.02.04
Infinitely less punchable than a butterfly. Especially if the butterfly is pink and on your arse.
 
 
diz
17:22 / 17.02.04
i would wear a dress that said "condensed milk" all over it in english.

i think i would have more fun personally skipping the mediation of language entirely and just wearing the condensed milk. law enforcement and public decency issues aside, of course.

i might even try to hug Bjork in her swan dress. we'd be Swan and Condensed Milk.
 
 
whothehell@where?
17:45 / 17.02.04
i'd like a life sized tattoo of myself on myself. or maybe a somewhat-larger-than-life tattoo of myself on myself
 
 
Char Aina
17:58 / 17.02.04
y'know, it occurs to me that the best tattoo in japanese for us white folks might actually be 'cultural tourist'. a little wanky, but at least it shows you know.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:18 / 17.02.04
Or possibly "lost in translation".

Great movie, by the way.

i might even try to hug Bjork in her swan dress. we'd be Swan and Condensed Milk.

You know, I though Fortnum and Mason satisfied my every culinary need. I have rarely been so wrong. Letter-writing campaign, anyone?
 
 
Baz Auckland
20:11 / 17.02.04
i'd like a life sized tattoo of myself on myself.

...ummm.. have you ever seen Steve-o (from Jackass)'s self-portrait? Not pretty...
 
 
Hugh_DeMann
22:17 / 17.02.04
http://www.barbelith.com/underground/topic.php?id=14753

in view of the above 'racist' discussion, everyone is happy with the "HELP ME I'M WHITE..!!" sub-text to this pathetic thread are they???
 
 
Char Aina
22:30 / 17.02.04
you wouldnt ask if you were... so go on. out with it.
 
 
Hugh_DeMann
22:59 / 17.02.04
you wouldnt ask if you were... so go on. out with it.

what?

so it's ok for someone to write this thread-link but not for someone to say "hey, (my 6 yr old son) you look remarkably like a red-indian" and then get chastised for it?

He ain't Japanese, so some some advice; don't get a Japanese tattoo. If he wants to, use the www, there's an abundance of tat sites. And some very tat sites.

and round and round in circles you go...

Still. keeps you tap tap tapping.
 
 
Char Aina
23:29 / 17.02.04
sorry, i thought i was clear. you asked if everyone was happy. i suggested it was obvious you were not, and requested clarification.
although you have expanded, i feel you have not really cleared much up.
you think non-japanese people should not use japanese characters, that is obvious.

but what do you mean when you say so it's ok for someone to write this thread-link but not for someone to say "hey, (my 6 yr old son) you look remarkably like a red-indian" and then get chastised for it?

again with the questions. do you find it offensive that someone said HELP I'M WHITE? if so, was that because they shouldnt ask for help citing their race? or because you are offended by the very idea of a gaijin learning about japan? or perhaps you think that the thread title designing a japanese tattoo is inaccurate due to the design of the tattoo being carried out somewhere other than japan?


please, tell us what you mean. then we can say what we think about the issues you raise. at the moment it appears (and tell me if i am way off here) that you are assuming we should all know what is wrong and feel the same.

if someone had already thought the thread was deeply offensive, we would certainly know. this is barbelith, for god's sake! people will call you on offensive terminology as fast as you can use it.
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
00:10 / 18.02.04
In fairness, t-shirts with completely meaningless English-language phrases are quite common in Japan. The 'your language is pretty to look at...' thing works both ways.

I know a guy who wanted the kanji character for 'peace' tattooed on his back. After being told that it was used to describe a particular flavor of Ramen noodles (by a Japanese friend), he took a packet with him to the tattoo shop to show them what he wanted. He ended up with a character that is more commonly translated as 'crispy.'
 
 
Char Aina
00:15 / 18.02.04
yeah, a neighbour of mine had a t shirt with random english written all over it.. she was korean.
 
 
Baz Auckland
00:29 / 18.02.04
In reaction to non-chinese/japanese/etc. people getting tattoos in chinese/japanese/etc. characters (no offense Mike-O), my sister always wanted to get 'chicken-fried rice' tattooed on her shoulder. I think that definitely goes into the 'better on a t-shirt than permanently on your skin' category...
 
 
Char Aina
00:36 / 18.02.04
the best tattoo idea i have ever heard of was my mate tickle's... he wants to get "regret" tattooed large on his arm. thats one that will mature with age, i reckon.
maybe her idea is the same?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:06 / 18.02.04
Well God bless leftylopez for pointing out how everyone was totally okay with this thread - I mean, what would we do without him?
 
  

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