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Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:58 / 04.05.05
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy exhibition at the Science Museum London.
 
 
John Octave
13:23 / 04.05.05
Saw this last night with my girlfriend, who hasn't read page one of Adams. I thought it was pretty funny. She thought it was quite funny as well, but didn't think it was a good movie in terms of narrative flow and such (and they never explained to her exactly why towels are such marvellously useful things). I, meanwhile, was sitting in the chair filling in the blanks in my head, plugging in "what really happened"; as much as I tried, I couldn't really detach myself from the books and look at it objectively. I bet the plot was pretty senseless to a non-reader. The ending was just so tidy.

The bits lifted from the book all seemed forced. Roger Ebert managed to sum it up quite nicely in his review: the movie is full of "dialogue that preserves the content of written humor at the cost of sounding as if the characters are holding a Douglas Adams reading."

In fact, the bits I liked best were the new material because I had no expectations for it. Anyone one else find this? Lines like "D'you want a hug?" and "I'm British; I know how to queue" and the sofa talk. And the performances, I thought, were sound. It actually makes me wish that if they do another one of these (is this doing well enough in theatres to warrant a second?) they ought to just write a mostly-new story with the same characters.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
00:08 / 05.05.05
She thought it was quite funny as well, but didn't think it was a good movie in terms of narrative flow and such (and they never explained to her exactly why towels are such marvellously useful things).

Maybe she wasn't watching each time Ford used his towel...?

I've heard several complaints like this about the film. That it didn't explain anything. Well, no, it didn't. But it was all there.

Another example - I've heard some people scratching their heads over that "stupid scene with the face slappers." When the heroes were running on the Vogon world, and being slapped for thinking? The movie didn't lay out the obvious: this is the Evolutionary reason for the Vogon's lack of creative thought. The viewer was left to figure that out on their own, and bravo for that.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:15 / 05.05.05
Oh, absolutely, if that was the reason. But since the Vogons have plenty of ideas and creative thought, and are just hidebound/hamstrung by being pointlessly pedantic, bureaucratic to the point of narcissism, and needlessly impersonal, I don't think it was. I think it was just a brilliant additional bit of slapstick thrown in for a giggle.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:18 / 05.05.05
(OFF-TOPIC) ghadis (and indeed anyone else who's interested)- there are no F&L DVDs, but I've got a shitload of them downloaded which I'm sure I could burn...(/OFF-TOPIC)
 
 
Mourne Kransky
13:32 / 05.05.05
Oh dear. Bit of a damp squib, after all the hype. The thing is, each component part has a lot to say in its favour but somehow the film as a whole just never takes off. Maybe I've just seen and heard to much HHGG heretofore.

Particularly liked Mos Def as Ford Prefect but what was going on with the sound?
 
 
A Bigger Boat
21:04 / 05.05.05
Okay, let's weigh in on the 'paddles on Vogsphere' thing. The only time I guess you could say that the Vogons display imagination and ideas in the movie is with their poetry, besides that... nada.

As Ford says (paraphrasing): they can't think, they can't feel, most of them can't even spell... they just do.

The paddles only hit our heroes whenever they say 'I think' or 'I've got an idea.' Arthur catches on first, which is why he asks Zaphod what he thinks. Then Ford, who advises 'Don't think. No thinking. No ideas.'

Now, since there are 2 references to the HHGG text on Vogon evolution - the deers that they sat on and the jewel-encrusted crabs that they crushed - I think that it's a fair leap to suggest that the paddles also played a part in their evolution. It would certainly explain their flattened noses.

Another possibility is that the powers that be in the galaxy have identified them as the perfect bureaucrats, and have installed these devices on Vogsphere to keep them that way.

Either way, I agree that everything you need is there in the film. It is also a great piece of slapstick into the bargain (or maybe that should be, it is first and foremost a great piece of slapstick, but with a neat, organic premise behind it).

I've seen it three times now, so it's probably safe to bet the farm on this not being a negative micro-review.

I thought it rocked. I thought it had brilliant energy; had the best cast I've seen in ages; looked beautiful and stands very comfortably next to al hte other incarnations/adaptations/bastardisations. What intrigues me is, when did the TV show start getting so much love? That was always the poor relative of the text and the radio plays wasn't it? I've always liked the TV version, but since getting comfortable with the new movie it actually jars now to hear so much dialogue lifted verbatim from the radio plays with no thought for the change in medium.

Yeah, so some of the guide entries were shortened (and perhaps dumbed down?; and hell yes, it would have been lovelly to hear Stephen Fry wrap his mellifluous vocal talents around the more rambling aspects of Adams' wordplay; but complaining about stuff like that would only be one step removed from the 'My favourite line wasn't in the movie' school of criticism.

The main arguments that seems to be being levelled at this latest stab - and forgive me if I paraphrase incorrectly or misinterpret here - appear to be:

1) it didn't need to be made into a film

2) it doesn't work as a film.

The first is just fluff anyway, since nothing NEEDS to be made into a film. Why did an award winning radio play need to be made into a book? And why did a best-selling book need to be made into a TV show? Nonsense. Next!

It doesn't work as a film is a much better starting point for a discussion. A previous reply has, I think, already adequately responded to some of the 'it wasn't explained properly' charges. Another criticism has been that there are plot holes; pointless subplots; lack of narrative shape that I guess you guys think films have to have. Since when did we want all our films to be neat and tidy and make sense? Aren't The Holy Grail and Life of Brian a collection of thematically linked sketches with the barest whisper of a plot stringing them together? Both those films rocked as well.

Did we forget somewhere along the way that this movie is a Hitchhiker's adaptation, and if not who was expecting it to make sense, hang together or work as a story?

Stop picking on the new kid! The bloody plays, book and TV series don't hang together at all. In fact the second radio series is just plain bonkers, and as the books progress most of the characters just disappear.

Visually, the story was almost perfectly realised, and for me that was one of the most important aspects when I first sat down and watched it. It was like a glass of water in the desert. I've known these jokes for almost twenty years now, so that fact that the film got any laughs out of me was a bloody miracle. The fact that some of those laughs were from dialogue that I could probably recite in my sleep was just plain unexpected. Like many people here I warmed to a lot of the new stuff, and that can hardly be surprising, but imagine how much bitchier we'd all be right now if the film had been 80% new stuff, or even 50% new stuff. Man, fans are hard to please.

I'm left with the excellent opening musical number (the dolphins at night shots were gorgeous). I'm left with the best version of Earth's destruction ever, followed by the most heart-warming nod to fans in any movie ever - The Journey of the Sorcerer played over a loving, slow pan of the Guide. That was just fucking beautiful, and it had no place in the film at all - purely a love letter moment to the material. Marvin looked fantastic, especially in the wide shot when he was left alone on Magrathea at sunset(s) - I want that picture as a poster. The factory floor was jaw dropping and genuinely touching. Bill Nighy brought Slarti to such fragile life with such little screen time that he shamed the likes of Deschanel. I've always got love for Rockwell, he was always going to own Zaphod, so lastly I want to the spotlight - as others here have already done - on Mos Def. The man's been noticeably absent from all the interviews and promotion of the film. I hope that is down to a hectic schedule, and not a reaction to the mountains of unadulterated shit that has been vomitted onto the beloved Web-wide Web by mindless little pricks who could barely articulte any anti-Def casting sentiments without reeking of racism. Mos was Ford. And for my money Ford was always going to be the hardst character to pull off, the most open to different interpretations. The man was a joy to watch: neurotic; faux laid back; constantly convinced that the universe was going to get him at any moment. It's going to be worht having the DVD just to have one pass at the movie where I'm only paying attention to what he does with his towel.

Maybe by the time the interactive hologram of HHGG comes out the movie will have been accepted into the brethren.

Now, do you think we can get Adam and Joe to make 'Restaurant' with those wool dolls?
 
 
wicker woman
09:57 / 06.05.05
There's either a pan-galactic gargle blaster attempting to eat my brain, or else it's just a really nasty headache, so I'm going to keep this one short...

Really good movie. Not exactly the book, but then what movie adaptation is? Well, with the exception of Sin City, anyways.

Anyway, wanted to say that a certain first-time director deserves credit for not only not completely screwing up the story, but doing a halfway-decent job with it. Especially considering that, reportedly, many bigger-name directors backed away from the project for fear of screwing it up.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:48 / 13.05.05
Didn't think I would like it, so Bittorrented it (Yes I know, I'm destroying home tap-dancing or something), watched it this evening and really enjoyed it. With two exceptions, namely Sam Rockwell as Zaphod, who is just a wanker and at no point has any charm whatsoever, his shameless mugging would have been okay if he had more of the hippie-stoner personality of the original and less of the narcisistic hick we have here. The other thing is the romance between Arthur and Trillian which doesn't work. And I'm not saying this as a Hitch-hikers fan, I'm saying that it doesn't work at all. The party scene at the start is very good, but at no other time do they really have chemistry. What's also confusing is that the Guide talks about the Jatravartids having 50 arms, then for some reason we turn up in a disco outside a hall where people are worshiping the great green Arklesezure but they don't have 50 arms each. So why mention the Jatravartids, but cut out the 'I had to go down to the cellar' or 'Space is big, really big' scenes?

But the whole thing about Ford trying to talk to cars is good, as is the whole thing about 'I never really believed you were from Guildford'. The scene when they go off in the escape pod after Trillian is very funny. Sir Billiam of Nighy is wonderful in his scenes (though the announcement of his name seemed a bit of a flop, did this get a laugh in cinemas?) and the bit where they all go plasticine is extremely inventive.

Not a film of the year, but certainly not the travesty M J Simpson in his review would want us to believe.
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:49 / 13.05.05
Xoc, I'm glad you said about the sound. As a, ahem, soundman I was quite put off and distracted by the fact that the film was almost 100% adr, and that a lot of this was lazily done, no attempt to match the sound. If that's what you meant, anyway. It bothered me.
 
 
Brigade du jour
15:38 / 14.05.05
I thought Xoc was referring to the sound of the dialogue, which at times I found almost inaudible. Lucky for me, then, that I knew most of it anyway, I suppose!

It took me a while to settle into the film, as the first ten minutes or so of story (not counting the Dolphin Overture) seemed a little rushed, or even forced, as if they couldn't wait to get on the Vogon ship.

Overall though, I really enjoyed it. Not a great film, but a pretty good adaptation insofar as it interpreted lots of well-loved geek-friendly moments as quality big-screen gags or character interchange without sapping them of their charming throwaway insignificance. In other words, I don't think they tried tooooo hard to foist a proper plot on to Adams' glorious mess. Um ... that is to say, the story is a mess, I'm not talking about some dead man's poo.

Oh, and may I echo the sentiments of whoever praised Bill Bailey's performance as the Whale? I'd forgotten exactly what part the Whale played in HHGG (it's been a while since I read it) so that sequence actually almost had me in tears.
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:13 / 14.05.05
Brigade, ADR = automated dialogue replacement, where they re-record the dialogue later and drop it in to a scene to match the lip-sync. It's normally done when a film is effects heavy so that the sound couldn't be grabbed at the time of filming. Downsides are, it sticks out like a sore thumb (often because the mics used are different, or that the ambient in a studio is different from that of the ambient on location), so it never matches the "live" sound. However it is worth noting that The Matrix and Charlies Angels (both fairly effects heavy) are pretty much all live sound, so it is possible to do it. Sorry to get technical, basically I'm saying, yeah the sound was bad, the dub seemed muddy (maybe as a result of the sound not being great) and it spoilt the start of the film for me quite badly.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:33 / 14.05.05
Exactly so, Benny, and thanks for explaining it so well. I thought it was just my elderly ears needing syringed.
 
 
Brigade du jour
19:42 / 14.05.05
Pass that syringe around Xoc, this could be an epidemic!
 
 
alejandrodelloco
01:44 / 15.05.05
I just want to say that the opening was the most amazing and unexpected beginning to any film ever.
 
 
Sekhmet
03:19 / 15.05.05
That song is unnecessarily catchy. I've been humming it for two weeks now.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:28 / 15.05.05
I got a copy of it, it's nice to start a film with a music number with mammalian poipi? (sorry I have no idea how to spell poipose, or what the plural is).
 
 
alejandrodelloco
15:11 / 15.05.05
Oh, wherever from? I have been hunting for a copy for at least a week now.
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:47 / 15.05.05
whispers *aquisition*
 
 
alejandrodelloco
03:26 / 16.05.05
Well whaddyaknow!

Haha, right after I posted that, I went hunting again.

You know, I think it is damn high time they did a film of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. I <3 Huckabees reminded me how much that would rock.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:52 / 07.06.05
Dirk Gently's would indeed rule.

Still haven't seen the movie, but I'm watching the last episode of the TV series, for the first time in about fifteen years. Still very funny; even more tragic than it was back in the day.

"You're going to die out. You know that, don't you?"
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:59 / 07.06.05
"What a life for a young planet to look forward to". Cue Louis Armstrong. I'm very sad now.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
00:23 / 08.06.05
I did so love that ending when I saw it as a wee one. Still do.
 
 
grant
16:11 / 08.06.05
Odd -- I stumbled on that during what must have been the original broadcast back in the day during a layover for a couple days in London on the way to visit family in South Africa. Made me want to seek out the rest of that stuff once I got home.

I think that was the first time I'd heard that song, too.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:40 / 12.10.07
Finally just saw this, and I wasn't very impressed. Just didn't find it to be a good adaptation. Sam Rockwell was really trying to make something happen, he was having fun (altough his hyper style was a bit too Robin Williams/Jim Carrey-ish for my tastes at times; I did enjoy his President George Bush accent for Zaphod).

Bill Nighy kicked things up a notch too, when he was on-screen, as did Malkovitch. The guy who played Arthur Dent was fine; it was mostly the direction and scripting that I had a problem with. Comic timing was not very good throughout.

Oh well. Now I know why most of my friends said this was decent but not all that good, and why the movie came & went so quickly and clearly hasn't become anything of a long-lasting favorite in cinema history.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:15 / 12.10.07
The Guide sequences were well done, though, and yes, the whale bit was great.

>> Sorry to get technical, basically I'm saying, yeah the sound was bad,

The sound did indeed strike me as being bad, poor-quality, echo-y when filmed in large sound-stage-type rooms, etc.

It did make me very happy, though, to see "For Douglas" at the end. I'm a sucker like that. Even though I didn't think it was all that good, the filmmakers were trying to honor Mr. Adams' work and they were trying to do something worthy of the books.

and ending mid-credits with the Guide entry on Arthur's final words was pretty fun.
 
  

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