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ReformedRobotMan
08:56 / 23.11.03
Could not resist..Laila

Not Me Again;

“That said, Uri Geller's defence of him on the Today programme seemed a little lacklustre, I must say.”

Very Interesting, so Uri could not say no to commenting his thoughts? He must have hated that. Damn that I did not see any on our channels.

Can I ask you some questions?
Could you tell me what it was that made you go Uh? Why do you say ‘lacklustre”? How did he hold himself? Did he look strait into the camera? Did he followed the camera or did he made the camera follow him? Meaning was he in control of the questionary? Or did he seem annoyed, or taken or… was he prepared? Was he in full? Or just half or just his head in the camera? If more than the head, how did he hold his hands? …just close your eyes and go back to what you saw.

Pachinko droog;

“Will it be a media circus and a mondo distraction from Iraqistananam? Yeah, for a little while”

No this time they are serious, they are after him…and they will not stop until he is A; locked away and put heavy on medication, just as he was for a long time, or B; hope that they will drive him completely mad and a; hope that he will commit suicide or b; kill him by making it look as he has committed suicide. They want him dead. And no I am Not joking.

H3r;

” Ever since seeing that Tv special on US TV on him (which was trying to portrait him as an insane fucked up freak) I have a new found respect for him”

Now let me explain why I suspect Uri Geller of something very nasty, this kid is bad. Firstly he is not liked by those who were in class with him in the ESP national centre of something, something … he was bad in school, he sold his soul/gifts to the highest corporate world, and he is convinced of himself as some ascended master, I kid you not, he is also convinced of the chosen believes and a absolute disciple. The people who know him from that time say he is really bad, he is into power seeking games, he has been to the ESP centre in Edinburgh many times as well.

Last year and the beginning of this year he was also asking all the people over the net, who kept seeing the numbers 11:11 to contact him, and write him, their dreams and visions, why? Beats me..but here we see him being into paganism very clear.

Then the most weird thing, is the TV special you mention, It was Uri Gellers idea, he paid for the making of this TV special, he tricked Micheal Jackson into this Interview documentary , by the means of a so called friendschip, the jewish journalist was hired by Uri Geller, Uri Geller was in the cutting room. One cane even see his name as being the sponsor of the TV special, at the end, including idea.
And the officer also seems to be obsessed with Micheal, its his second time going after Micheal..

So you understand that there is indeed something not right here…after that TV Special the Micheal Jackson group came with a counter TV special, explaining and questioning the motives, he a; helps children who are being used in the sex industry, he brings to public that what they do not want the world to know about what horrors children face in the world, he brings hope to the poor children and the children who have or are still being abused etc, he makes children dream and remain children, he cares about what happens to the children, and this is something which is Not like by many Pedo heads, for its exactly this Caring what they are trying to erase from us as a whole..at first everything was ok, they let him alone, but then things happened, and he was forced to go of his drugs, which he thought was medication, so what happens? He wakes up, he becomes more aware of things happening outside, meaning he all of a sudden wants to go out more , walking in our reality, outside in public, again something they do not like, then his new album, is suppose to be very telling, it contains messages of warnings for the children…something they do not like, maybe they fear that it could trigger minds like the matrix trilogy has done?

Then also what was very interesting in this TV special, the way Micheal talked about his father, Did you see his face? and how he repeated a few times "Yeh everything I know I learned from my father.. Oh yes he was a good example" Micheals face was dark, he Does Not like his fathe... and he is right, his father is disgusting.


“I belive that he is quite a genius , but unfortunately so far removed from the world's "rules" that he is a thorn in many people's eyes. Someday they will kill him or at least lock him away.”

Yes, he knows way to much and he can actually point his fingers to certain people and tell on them…and the intention is to first make him suffer and destroy the love and joyful memories of many children around the world, he is like a god for many children, he creates songs that make many children , remain children, meaning the way a child should be, he makes sick children believe they will not die, he brings hope to way to many children in the world, and this is a pain in the ass to many head/Pedophiles\corporates, he is in the way of those who want us to be like little robots, and especially want the children look as soon as possible like grown ups so they can have more freedom when banging a child, meaning law, so a Micheal who keeps children thinking like children is not really wished for, anyway whatever image the world has of him, fact, behind doors he is Very Active when it comes to protection of children, he is almost like some guardian of children, like as long as he is alive, we will have children who can dream and have hope. Why does he feel children so much, and why does he wants to protect him so much? Ask his daddy, he played the pimp of Micheal when he was just a little boy, he was so cute as a little child, and oh my what could he sing, just like a little black nightingale, is what certain Music world pedophile heads thought when they saw him, miammi…his father knows very well, and micheal knows more than any of the Jackson clan, he is extra sensory, and they know he knows what they know.

Stoatie..;

“But yeah, the timing is odd... and there seems to be some suggestion that the kid remembered this under hypnosis (mentioned in the Guardian today- unfortunately Guardian Online is now a pay thing, so no linky, I'm afraid)- it was his therapist who sounded the alarm. And yes, I guess that does happen- but it's also, in many cases, been found NOT to have happened..."

As they said "And this time we have found a more co-operative victim”
what they also said on CNN after being asked what tipped them of ? they said they had seen some TV program/special where Micheal said in an interview that he sleeps in the same bed as the children…
Now this sick twisted interview with this jewish journalist, who really was very obvious trying to make Micheal say things he could use to make it look that he must be a sick pedophile.. He said this while he was talking about protecting the children like when they are sick or afraid he brings them milk and cookies and reads them stories and lay with them for a while if they were sick and just holds them until they fall asleep in his arms and he can go to bed himself…Now I ask you, which parent does not do this, when their children are sick or afraid, or let the children lay in their beds if the child wishes so, now Does this make all of them child molesters? Of course not!
But of course this journalist with the help of Uri Geller cut the film and created some weird pedo love exclamation, So they use something from that TV special as proof for Micheal says so himself.

See… Micheal Jackson is full love and energy, when he talks about children, he is full of Passion, and he is full of passion for children, which means that he feels the children and he feels their pain as well, they have some word for it in the ESP world, is also one of the reasons he hides, but he feels for the children and their safety and protection and schooling and future and how parents should not put their children in kinder-garden, for that is bad for family bonding etc, and that the parents should not let the government educate their children as of the crib, for that means no love in the live of a child, and that is bad for our future, he feels that parents should just meet up, get to know each-other and help each-other, and be there for the child, for a child is a gift of god, and the biggest wonder of All. These things you can hear him say so many times, this is what he preaches everywhere he goes.
Now you see, this sort of messianic talk, is not something our war lords economy is waiting for, especially not the head of the pyramide pedophile world.

Stoatie..;

“but something seems fishy.”

Not Me Again, see why I ask? Something is terribly wrong, and I do believe that this time around his fanclub must do something, for they Want and seemingly Need him Dead. Micheal had more than one reason not to go outside of his estate, he knows they are after the children, he knows since he was little.

You will see weird things happening, I hope that my feeling is right and they burn their fingers on him. And I Really Hope that this time around his fans will keep their eyes open and protest.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:51 / 23.11.03
the jewish journalist

Umm... I know I'm gonna regret asking, but is the "J" word strictly relevant? (And I don't mean "journalist"...)
 
 
40%
11:28 / 23.11.03
Reading those lyrics to 'DS', you have to wonder what kind of education Michael actually had.
 
 
Z. deScathach
11:30 / 23.11.03
You know what, there's only one thing that really disturbs me about Michael Jackson's arrest warrant, (and I do care about whether he's molesting kids). It's that this situation has and will blow every serious news story off the air for the next God-knows-how-long.
 
 
Quireboy
14:32 / 23.11.03
Can we drop the ESP bullshit - and thinly veiled anti-semitism. This is about whether a hugely famous fortysomething man has used him money and celebrity to get away with abusing children - or is the victim of a media witch hunt. IMO Jackon's relationship with children has been open to question for too long. No one else would have got away with his behaviour - much of it in full view of the public - for so long. One way or another, this trial should end this disturbing spectacle - even if the trial itself is part of that spectacle.

I doubt this story will obscure the 'War on Terror'. Those relying on GoogleNews for an estimate of coverage would do well to count the column inches written on Iraq/Turkey and Jacko - coverage of the former dwarfs the latter. At least everywhere outside the US - and from what I've seen of CNN, NBC and even Fox in recent days this is also true in the US. And, if that changes, I sure most US citizens on this board know where to access quality news from outside the States. Blog it if you want to spread the word.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:43 / 23.11.03
Can we drop the ESP bullshit - and thinly veiled anti-semitism.

Oh, if only.

Quireboy, have you been properly introduced to our resident pedophile-sniffing raw-food-scarfing beeeyootiful-bisexual-ex-model cum extradimensional-angel-of-light, that psychic detective par excellence doing God's work, part-time children's advocate and full-time crusader against the politico-medico-pharmaceutical sataniclizard conspiracy, appearing right on cue, the one, the only, the ReformedRobotMan a.k.a. Chrome a.k.a. Laila?

No?

Let's just say, then, that this thread's as good as dead. No sane thought will cross these borders evermore.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:45 / 23.11.03
What really bothers me is the fact that his mental instability probably isn't going to come up in the trial. America is failing Michael Jackson terribly whether he's abusing children or not. This man's life has been completely tragic. He's lost it, he's needed help for at least five years, perhaps twenty and no one has done a thing. The notion of abuse hasn't been taken seriously, it's been treated like a media event again. The US needs to help people by getting a social system (social services, NHS), a working legal system and a bit of realism where its celebrities are concerned. If there was an NHS then cancer wards/hospices wouldn't be dependent on Jackson's money, the government at some level would have had to do something about the mans madness and he very possibly might have been arrested more than twice.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:40 / 23.11.03
Hmmmm...I'm not sure how much Jackson actually contributes to cancer treatment, but I suspect it isn't enough to replace a national health service - certainly, his status as a benefactor makes it easier for his admirers to attempt to avoid talking about his apparent predilections (but then, Jackson's admirers tend to have very odd perspectives on the whole thing).

Nonetheless, he is certainly a victim here, if not for our purposes *the* victim. He is utterly fucked up, and he appears not to have had anyone to tell him at any point that, from a pure PR point of view, he *had to stop pulling this shit*. Whether or not there is any sexual component to his relationships with young boys, after the Jordan Chandler case any halfway media-sane person would have made damn sure that any actions open to misinterpretation (or interpretation) stopped there.

What may be interesting is that one of the key components in keeping reality (including accusations of sexual abuse) has always been money; a vast personal fortune has insulated him completely from ever having to encounter people who might have taken issue with his behaviour, or give him advice he may not want to hear. It appears that this personal fortune may now be dwindling, and a broke Jackson is likely to be torn apart by wolves in fairly short order.

On RobotManReformed/Laila/whatever - as Jack says, this is a troll that people seem not to mind having around our of pity for his/her/their apalling illness. Obsessed with psychic powers and paedophilia, he/she/they are also proudly in possession of a streak of entirely unveiled anti-semitism a mile wide. I seem to to recall the Protocols of the Elders of Zion being cited as a historical proof-if-proof-were-needed document before.

Michael Jackson is not Jewish, and therefore presumably cannot be a paeophile, as opposed to Martin Bashir, who is clearly a part of the international Jewish paedophile lizard conspiracy (is Martin Bashir even Jewish?). Where Shmuley Boteach comes into all this God alone knows.

Next, we will get a post demanding that we get our facts right, and that one of the other members of the happy circle can smell paedophiles (no, really), not Laila, that lizards have never even been mentioned, and that if we want to retain any credibility we should apologise at once. It's just one of the risks of starting any thread on Barbelith involving paedophilia.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:31 / 23.11.03
RRM - I didn't see anything, except for my bedroom ceiling as I lay there psyching myself up to roll out of bed. The Today programme is a radio programme.

It's on BBC Radio 4, probably with a record of the interview on its website if you care to look.

As regards Bashir, he is from London and his parents were born in Pakistan and also, IIRC, he converted to Christianity.

So, enough already...
 
 
Quireboy
21:20 / 23.11.03
Tryphena - you might as well same the same for Mariah Carey. Hate her music, but the woman is severely depressed and is clearly on medication up to the eyeballs. Yet she is still pushed out on the promotional bandwagon it a fragile state. It's sickening to watch her interviews. It seems highly likely that she did attempt suicide and clearly needs a few years out of the limelight. But will her record company let her? And does she have a life beyond Mariah Carey Inc? Then that's what happens when you become a commodity first, and a human being second. No sane person would want their level of fame.

The US has social services btw - in fact their social workers are far better trained than those in the UK. Despite this, child abuse and homicides have risen sharply in the States in the past decade - and evidence would suggest this is due to rising poverty and the shrinking welfare net. I'm not sure what the child protection legislation is like in the UK, or whether it varies from state to state, but I would be surprised if anyone else who'd exhibited Jackon's behaviour would still have access to their own kids by now. The Bashir interview and other documentary footage hardly protrays him as a capable parent. At the very least these kids - who I doubt are his biological offspring - are going to be terribly emotionally damaged.

The people in Jackson's camp, his family should have got him into therapy. Surgeons should never have been allowed to perform so many cosmetic procedures on him. But that's another issue. It's not enough to mitigate culpability if he is indeed guilty.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:54 / 23.11.03
Mariah Carey isn't being brought to trial.
 
 
Quireboy
21:57 / 23.11.03
Er, no she isn't - I was addressing the point you raised of celebrities as victims of celebrity culture.
 
 
Ganesh
23:45 / 23.11.03
... the one, the only, the ReformedRobotMan a.k.a. Chrome a.k.a. Laila?

It's more ReformedRobotMan = Chrome + Laila. ReformedRobotMan is a shared suit used by two (plus) individuals. This one is Laila.

Best to leave the thread alone now.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
11:18 / 24.11.03
Michael has a weblog, if anyone's interested: http://www.mjnews.us/
 
 
Quireboy
14:30 / 24.11.03
Gee, what an objective source of information that will be!

It's amazing that some nutters are holding vigils for him. Mind you it's amazing he's No.1 - in the UK - after all this. Maybe Dennis Neilsen and Al Qaida should quickly record a christmas album.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:41 / 24.11.03
Quireboy, you just can't recognise a living tragedy when you see one. This is a man who dyes his skin white, bleaches his kids hair, puts net over their faces when they're in public, has had so much plastic surgery that his nose has collapsed, puts a scarf over his face and is skinny as a rake, has now been accused of abuse 3 times, has a theme park in his garden, is 'friends' with a load of twelve year old kids and can only relate to people who were also child stars (Liz Taylor, Macaulay Culkin). It's alleged that the Jacksons father was abusive and dictatorial. Please excuse me if I think you're looking at this from totally the wrong angle but I don't think he should go to prison. He's mentally ill and should be treated accordingly.
 
 
+#'s, - names
14:50 / 24.11.03
Yawn.
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:39 / 24.11.03
Do you think his lawyers will try that angle? Or that he would be willing to claim mental illness? Or do you think he'll go for a plain 'not guilty?'.

Even if he is found innocent, (as he is until proven otherwise) they'll probably never leave him be. I doubt this will be the last he'll have to go through..
 
 
Quireboy
16:16 / 24.11.03
Tryphena, Jackson may be an extreme case but - in this country at least (anyone know about the States?) - he would receive treatment whether in hospital or prison. And I don't recall stating he should go to prison rather than a secure hospital.

Child sex offenders tend to be on the one hand incredibly cunning and on the other have deep rooted false belief systems - personality disorders - which are difficult, if not impossible to treat, i.e. they regard abuse as loving, etc. (However, many receive other forms of psychiatric and psychological intervention for other/related mental disorders.)

To me, the question is has Jackson created this mad children's playground (Neverland) and infantilised persona (inc. the plastic surgery) as a means of getting easier access to children (and as a direct result of distorted paedophilic beliefs), or is that behaviour part of a wider mental instability? I doubt anyone here can say for sure.

BTW I have interviewed about 20 child sex offenders - including some who killed their victims. Many of them have horrific histories. This is taken into account in sentencing and treatment. But it's a case of balancing that with public protection - particularly when the outcomes of most treatment programmes are so poor (i.e. there are extremely high rates of re-offending, hence calls for indefinite sentences).
 
 
Ganesh
17:25 / 24.11.03
Tryphena, Jackson may well have a disordered personality, a paraphilic sexual orientation and a dependence on prescription whatever, but there's little or no evidence that he's actually psychiatrically ill in the sense that 'treatment' as an in or out-patient will significantly help him.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:57 / 25.11.03
But he obviously can't function in the world, needs a psychiatrist rather than a Hollywood therapist and that kind of thing is the only alternative to prison should he get charged and I think prison would probably kill that man.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:01 / 25.11.03
Erm... I don't mean charged. Oh my brain isn't working, whatever.
 
 
Quireboy
10:10 / 25.11.03
That's pure speculation - prison would not be easy but neither would a special hospital. Anyway, he obviously can function - in his world at least - if he's so quickly set up a website to rebut the allegations. Not to mention producing his own documentary to rebut Bashir's.

If he was found guilty but wasn't detained - either in the mental health or the prison system - just how would you propose monitoring him? He certainly couldn't be allowed to remain at Neverland, or anywhere where he's surrounded by his staff/entourage. In the UK, most specialists work in the prison or secure mental health system.

As both Ganesh and I point out, psychiatric treatment is largely ineffective with regards to tackling the root causes of child sex offending. 'Treatment' can reduce the risk paedophiles pose to others, but research suggests only to a limited degree and in the short-term.
 
 
bjacques
13:33 / 25.11.03
Ankle jail, minders by court mandate, to make sure he doesn't go anywhere near kids without supervision, all on his dime. Ditto for his own kids, who should be given to their mother(s).

IF he's guilty. Hypnosis isn't very good at recovering accurate memories, as the satanic panic of 10 years ago should have shown. I know it's difficult to get evidence, but the stakes are pretty high. Accusations of pedophilia are enough to ruin someone's life, even if the person is exonerated.

I agree with Tryphena. Whether Michael's guilty or not, he's clearly unstable and his handlers--record company (Sony/CBS?) people, I suppose, who have the biggest financial interest in him--should have taken some responsibility. I suppose they wanted to just get their albums out of him. Let's see...I can water this horse and let him rest a few hours or I can get another 30 miles out of him before he collapses or falls lame. Ditto for Mariah Carey or other unstable talents. Short-term thinking wins again.

Uri Geller is just a litigious fraud. I saw him outed on Johnny Carson's "Tonight Show" about 30 years ago. But that's beside the point.
 
 
Quireboy
14:34 / 25.11.03
I repeat again - is Jacko unstable because of some wider mental instability or because he is - allegedly - a paedophile, and his wierdness is a manifestation of his distorted beliefs.

You might hold Sony, etc partly liable but unless there's proof they were aware he was abusing children, or engaged in some other paedophilic activity, I can't see how you could prosecute them.

As far as I'm aware, there is no community based treatment where someone is shadowed 24 hours a day. And electronic tagging hasn't stopped people committing murder, so I wouldn't trust it to prevent child abuse. Given Jacko's resources, if he is found guilty, I think there is no other option but to detain him.
 
 
Ganesh
12:12 / 28.11.03
From this week's 'Pink Paper':


DJ's Fury Over New Jackson Sex Story

The organiser of Mr Gay UK has revealed he turned down cash from tabloid papers to reveal sex secrets about mega-star Michael Jackson.

DJ Terry George, now 38, claims when he was 13 he was befriended by Jackson after meeting him at a concert and they had talked explicitly about sex in a series of phone calls.

But there is no hard evidence for the unproven claim, which was first leaked to the press 10 years ago, and George now says he wished it had never come out.

Tabloid journalists approached him again last weekend to get him to tell his story after Jackson was arrested over allegations made by 12-year-old cancer victim Gavin Arvizo.

George said he had only ever told a handful of people about his friendship with Jackson but one of them leaked it.

"Had this person not gone to the press the secret would have stayed with me for the rest of my life," he told the Pink Paper.

"The phone calls I have had don't make [Jackson] guilty or innocent of the allegations now."

And George is furious that people are alleging the star may be gay saying it is an "insult" to try to link homosexuality with alleged paedophilia.

He added he didn't want to talk to police or the press about his story.

"What's been said has been said. I told [the journalists] I am not interested in talking to them.

"They were offering thousands of pounds and I told them I just wasn't interested in doing the story.

"I don't have any grudges against Michael. I would love to be his friend now. Our friendship just fizzled out."



With George's puberty, one suspects.

No, a 25-year-old story doesn't make him guilty or innocent - but the fact that he was, it would appear, prepared to talk "explicitly about sex" with a 13-year-old he'd barely met suggests Jackson's poor grasp of social boundaries goes back a looong way. It also lends weight to the allegation (first expressed openly in Jordy Chandler's written testimony) that his relationships with young boys, as well as being generally exploitative, included a sexual component.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:42 / 28.11.03
You might hold Sony, etc partly liable but unless there's proof they were aware he was abusing children, or engaged in some other paedophilic activity, I can't see how you could prosecute them.

Totally. But whether they were LEGALLY in the wrong, I think kiddy-fiddling or no kiddy-fiddling, they have been MORALLY in the wrong for quite some years now. As bjacques says, Let's see...I can water this horse and let him rest a few hours or I can get another 30 miles out of him before he collapses or falls lame.
 
 
Ganesh
18:14 / 29.11.03
Again, this presupposes Jackson is a powerless victim of mental instability, being exploited by the eeevil Man. I don't think there's a great deal of evidence of any of this.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
23:00 / 29.11.03
I don't think you could bring criminal charges against SONY. They could be included in a civil suit, if it could be proven that some of their executives were pandering or were knowlingly negligent... seems kind of unlikely. But anyway, they most likely assumed he was a professional who knew what he was doing. Not that any particular executive couldn't see that he was losing his mind, but that all they're obliged to judge is whether he's profitable. It's just not their job to see that their artists are sane and law-abiding.

If Jackson is convicted, he'll do time in a state prison, probably in solitary confinement. He'd get treatment, but probably not the best, and it won't do a bit of good if he doesn't want it to. I'm not sure how much protection or comfort his wealth (which as I understand it is mostly theoretical at the moment) would afford him. Usually that kind of thing comes from political clout, which he doesn't seem to have much of. I expect, however, that he will kill himself before that happens.

As a drama, Tryphena, I agree that his story is tragic, but as a matter of law--that is, of protecting society from particular types of anti-social behavior--child molesters belong in prison, no matter how tragic they are. America isn't failing Michael Jackson by prosecuting him for crimes he can be proved to have committed.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:28 / 30.11.03
this presupposes Jackson is a powerless victim of mental instability

Actually, though it may have read that way, that's not what I think. Powerless, he isn't. Or maybe is. I don't know the guy. BUT... there is shit going on that, whether legally wrong or not, is just NOT RIGHT. And his agent et al ARE in a position to say "Look, Michael, don't you think this is getting a bit... well, y'know, weird?" and presumably didn't. Apart from anything else, from a PR angle, they must have seen this coming. Again. (Jesus! I'm now accusing people of bad management! I truly am the shittest anarchist ever.)
 
 
Ganesh
12:35 / 30.11.03
Again, there's little or no evidence that Jackson is "losing his mind" in the sense of being psychiatrically ill. As far as I can see, he differs only from most personality-disordered individuals in that his vast wealth enables him to live out his fantasies on a more-or-less 24/7 basis, and surround himself with a cocooning framework of yes-men who do their utmost to ensure ugly reality rarely intrudes.

The question of "treatment" is somewhat beside the point, as there's nothing to treat. Sure, a little reality-orientation and social skills training (essentially what is and isn't acceptable behaviour with regard to other people's children) wouldn't go amiss, but that's pretty much it.
 
 
Ganesh
12:44 / 30.11.03
BUT... there is shit going on that, whether legally wrong or not, is just NOT RIGHT. And his agent et al ARE in a position to say "Look, Michael, don't you think this is getting a bit... well, y'know, weird?" and presumably didn't.

Firstly, we don't know Jackson's agent didn't attempt to orientate him toward reality (although I agree it's unlikely, for 'Madness of George III' type reasons). Secondly, do you reckon he'd have paid any heed if they did? Any time I've seen an interviewer question his behaviour, even very gently, he's either denied or vigorously defended his actions. As Bashir was all too aware, all attempts to push the 'isn't this a bit weird' angle risk severing of the relationship, with Jackson withdrawing and relocating to another, less challenging interviewer/agent.

I seriously doubt anything less than the full force of the law could've forced Jackson to accept the inappropriateness of his behaviour - and it looks like even that's gonna be a struggle.
 
 
cusm
17:45 / 30.11.03
That same behavior neatly rules out any possibility of MJ pleading insanity. Even if his counsel suggests it, he'll probably fire them for new lawyers before taking that plea, going down claiming the rights of a grown man to share beautiful love with children.

Can someone be ruled incompetent to stand trial when their defense counsel is not supporting the movement? I mean, what do you do when the defendent is clearly not participating in reality, and has the lawyers to defend his right to stand trial even though his sanity is suspect? I suppose we'll find out.
 
 
Ganesh
19:36 / 30.11.03
I mean, what do you do when the defendent is clearly not participating in reality, and has the lawyers to defend his right to stand trial even though his sanity is suspect?

At the risk of labouring the point, there's no evidence that Jackson is insane, either psychiatrically or legally. He participates in reality in the same way as other obscenely wealthy individuals do, his money allowing him to give full expression to his fantasies and preoccupations without any great fear of challenge.

In order to be considered legally 'insane' and unfit to plead, it'd have to be demonstrated that, by virtue of psychiatric disorder, he has no comprehension of the charges against him, or cannot understand the difference between a plea of innocence and a plea of guilty, or lacks capacity to instruct a lawyer.

I don't think there's much evidence of this, just as I don't think there's much evidence of psychiatric disorder.
 
 
Quireboy
12:05 / 16.12.03
Charges to be filed this Thursday or Friday. Jacko's parents have said they will adopt his kids if he loses custody of them. Given the marvelous job they made of raising their own kids this hardly seems an ideal outcome.
 
  

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