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Michael Jackson arrest warrant

 
  

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sleazenation
17:39 / 19.11.03
A Police warrent has been issued on Michael Jackson read all about it.

The Charge is multiple child abuse.

So what do people think? Is any one surprized at the accusation or the fact that it has lead to a fedral warrent? Is there any way that he can get a fair trial? does anyone care? Discuss.
 
 
Not Here Still
18:00 / 19.11.03
1; This is just an accusation, which means that it's not yet a case of "shame on" Jacko just yet. I'll wait to see if he's convicted before posting more fully on what I really think...

2; That said, Uri Geller's defence of him on the Today programme seemed a little lacklustre, I must say.

3; I wanna see an OJ-style chase! With moonwalking!

4; Nah, not surprised; I have the feeling that Jacko doesn't understand the way the world works, but has lived in a Neverland for so long that no-one is willing to tell him what's right and wrong, or even what might be seen as potentially dodgy...
 
 
FinderWolf
18:15 / 19.11.03
Call me 'jumping to conclusions guy', but I bet he's guilty of some child molestation. This guy is a sad case, very very messed up, and probably has done some messed-up stuff. I feel bad for him but I also believe him very capable of child molestation.

Maybe he'll try to evade authorities in a white Suburban and the case will be on national TV! It's been a while since we've had some good ol' American entertainment like that.
 
 
pachinko droog
18:29 / 19.11.03
Not surprising. I think the accusations against him on this kind of thing go back a good ten years at least. Will he get a fair trial? Probably not. Will it be a media circus and a mondo distraction from Iraqistananam? Yeah, for a little while.

Maybe him and Bubbles the chimp will have a good old fashioned shoot-out with the police from their treehouse...only to be rescued at the last minute by Liz Taylor in a hot air balloon while Uri Geller fends off the cops with a blizzard of bent spoons.
 
 
h3r
18:35 / 19.11.03
I seriously doubt that he is guilty of molestation or anything else illegal.

Ever since seeing that Tv special on US TV on him (which was trying to portrait him as an insane fucked up freak) I have a new found respect for him ( I had lost my respect pretty much after his Thriller album...)

I belive that he is quite a genius , but unfortunately so far removed from the world's "rules" that he is a thorn in many people's eyes. Someday they will kill him or at least lock him away.

It's a very sad affair. leave the dude alone. I dont like his music, but he deserves some credit for exploiting his physical existance in such bizarre ways. compare him with bill gates for christ sakes...who spends their money more wisely?
 
 
Not Here Still
18:37 / 19.11.03
[rot] Didn't something nasty happen to the chimp?[/rot]
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
07:10 / 20.11.03
Oh for christ's sake, children are, at the very least, being exploited here. And I'm not just talking about the ones who bought Invincible! *rimshot


To dismiss this out of hand is very, very worrying to me. Just because someone made Off the Wall does not mean they are incapable of child abuse.
 
 
foot long subbacultcha
07:24 / 20.11.03
No idea about his guilt/innocence, but he's definitely a victim of media manipulation. And oh what a convenient time for him to be a news story, what with the warm welcome Mr Bush is receiving from the adoring British public this week.
 
 
Chubby P
08:32 / 20.11.03
I heard that when the FBI raided Micheal Jacksons ranch they found
Class A drugs in one room, Class B drugs in a second room, and Class
C in a third room!



Seriously though, I'm not sure if he is guilty. He seems like such a disturbed guy that is living in his own world. He sets himself up for these accusations. If you are left alone in a room with a child then you can get accused of anything by said child without anyone to back you up. As an adult you have to be extremely careful with such situations. If you are sleeping in the same bed as children then you are asking for trouble.

Also, what sort of parents are happy letting their children go and play with an obviously disturbed 40 something? Thats what always surprises me. If I had a kid I wouldn't be happy leaving them alone in a situation like that.

I realise that I have just contradicted myself. On onehand I think he could be innocent, because he is so childlike, but on the otherhand I would not let a kind of mine near him with a 40ft barge pole.

I also find it interesting that the FBI chose now to do this. Mass protests against Bush today will be buried in the US news by this!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:50 / 20.11.03
Hey, I have no brief for Jacko- I believe he couold be capable of anything- I've got no way of knowing what goes on in that fucked-up head of his. But yeah, the timing is odd... and there seems to be some suggestion that the kid remembered this under hypnosis (mentioned in the Guardian today- unfortunately Guardian Online is now a pay thing, so no linky, I'm afraid)- it was his therapist who sounded the alarm. And yes, I guess that does happen- but it's also, in many cases, been found NOT to have happened...

So, I'm undecided (well, obviously, knowing neither Jacko nor the kid personally)- but something seems fishy.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:58 / 20.11.03
Who knows what's happened? Michael Jackson is a weird man. The majority of his adult friends have been child stars and people who carried on in the industry right through to adulthood. I suspect they're the only people who get how his mind works. Regardless of whether he's done it or not, this man needs to be helped, he needs to understand how people live.

He's in a position to be abused through these claims and that's what makes it so difficult to judge. He has a lot of money that people would like to wring out of him, he's also very probably quite capable of abusing. I don't even want to think about this. I hate that these claims are coming up now, perhaps the US will still see pictures of the protest in London... perhaps.
 
 
_Boboss
09:36 / 20.11.03
reckon he *must* be a bit on the kiddlo-fiddlo. he seems to be utterly obsessed with 'childhood', boy in a man's body blardy blar, me first for the ice-cream. given that he's a chap with cock'n'balls, why wouldn't his sexual interests lean in that direction as well?
 
 
Quireboy
10:24 / 20.11.03
I spoke to a couple of child protection experts - one a senior police officer and another a psychiatrist - after the Bashir interview. They said that Jacko fits the profile of a preferential paedophile - i.e. someone who has a sexual interest in a particular type of child - in this case 12-year-old boys. Such sex offenders are reputed to be among the most dangerous to children.

What I found most disturbing about that documentary were the scenes where Jacko was holding hands with that young cancer victim. The allegations that have prompted the warrant for his arrest have apparently come from a seriously ill child. Paedophiles target vulnerable children and there are many cases of them targetting seriously and terminally ill children in hospital, clinics, etc.

I find Jacko's defence of his interest in childhood - and particulary boys - unconvincing. On the one hand you may say he is an easy target - and he has clearly been fucked up - but if it was anyone else (at least a non-celeb) who admitted to sleeping with young boys on a regular basis, action would have been taken long before now.
 
 
Ganesh
11:19 / 20.11.03
I recall a fairly heated Barbe-discussion on this around the time of Jackson's interview with Martin Bashir - and I feel much the same way about it now as I did then. I agree with Quireboy that, while on the one hand Jacko's routinely defended as an 'easy target' for cynical blackmailers, his wealth and celebrity status have also protected him from the reaction which would've greeted practically any other fortysomething male in the Western world who behaved the way he does around children - his own and other people's. His ability to insulate himself from any sort of 'reality-orientating network' does him no favours at all, really, certainly not in the long term. This sort of allegation was inevitable.

Personally, I believe he derives primary gratification from (male) children. I've no idea whether he 'molests' them in a physical, genital way or whether his fetish is a more complex eroticisation of his particular version of the notion of childhood. Either way, there's a strong sense that the kids and their parents have been bought, that they're complicit in a transaction which is ultimately to their detriment...
 
 
ibis the being
13:24 / 20.11.03
I've no idea whether he 'molests' them in a physical, genital way or whether his fetish is a more complex eroticisation of his particular version of the notion of childhood.

I think Ganesh has hit it on the head right there.

The Bashir special gave me the impression that MJ sees himself as a child, is in so many ways stuck in childhood psychologically, which leads me to believe that if he is molesting children - and it seems likely he is - he genuinely believes these relations or encounters or whatever are okay because it's all 'innocent' and 'loving.' He doesn't see himself as an adult victimizing boys. Should he be locked up? Yeah, in a mental institution.

The bottom line, though, is as G. just said more eloquently than I will.... Even if there's no sexual contact happening, he is putting these boys into wholly unhealthy, eroticized adult-child relationships, and that's child abuse as well.

Evidently the same officer who's charging MJ now was the one who brought charges in 1993 which were settled out of court. Purely speculation: I imagine this guy, who has 9 kids, has taken it as his personal mission to get child abuse charges to stick to a guy who has evaded them for so many years, despite plenty of shady behavior.

(I'd just like to add it was extremely difficult to avoid double-entendres in writing this message. My punning mind has no tact.)
 
 
gergsnickle
13:26 / 20.11.03
And just WHO are these parents who still let their children stay overnight at the ranch (with or without the accompannying 40 foot barge pole)?
 
 
01
13:32 / 20.11.03
Man, that Jacko. He sure is wacko.
 
 
Ganesh
13:37 / 20.11.03
Evidently the same officer who's charging MJ now was the one who brought charges in 1993 which were settled out of court. Purely speculation: I imagine this guy, who has 9 kids, has taken it as his personal mission to get child abuse charges to stick to a guy who has evaded them for so many years, despite plenty of shady behavior.

He's the Santa Barbara district attorney, Tom Sneddon, and yeah, he oversaw the Jordy Chandler thing. Jackson, with truly glorious paranoia, wrote a stinging critique of one, er, 'Dom Sheldon'...
 
 
Quireboy
15:14 / 20.11.03
I wonder what fate awaits Jackson's own children? - Although whether they are his biological children seems rather doubtful. The chances of an African American having three (or is it four) white-skinned children seems pretty remote. Surely they'll be taken into care.
 
 
salix lucida
17:16 / 20.11.03
I've no idea whether he 'molests' them in a physical...

Thank you, Ganesh. I've been trying to put together this thought all morning amidsts battling cries of "innocent until proven guilty" and "cut off his balls with a rusty spoon." You're about to get quoted all over my office.
 
 
Mister Snee
18:58 / 20.11.03
Just for the record, Google news says that this story about the British protests against Bush's visit is one of 1825 related stories, whereas this one about Michael Jackson turning himself in is one of 2107.

So the latter only has the former beat by around three hundred stories. That's not so bad.
 
 
CameronStewart
20:19 / 20.11.03
>>>I've no idea whether he 'molests' them in a physical, genital way<<<

thesmokinggun.com had the transcripts of Jordy Chandler's statement, and - assuming, of course, that the transctipts are genuine - there was plenty of physical genital molestation.
 
 
pomegranate
20:57 / 20.11.03
i just need to vent that this morning it was all anyone could talk about on the news and radio. over and over again. the WORST of all was the news saying "michael jackson involved in another sex scandal!" as the grabber headline to get you to stay tuned. that just turned my stomach. rape, people. molestation. (i mean, if it's true.) don't call it a "sex scandal" like the way you would if ben affleck got caught w/a hooker or something. [/rant]

oh, and tryphena, yes we're seeing coverage of the protests, don't worry. fountain full of red paint and that.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
23:24 / 20.11.03
What else pisses me off is the fact he gets to negotiate a timetable for handing himself in. Anyone else would be hauled in soon as possible, right?
 
 
Quireboy
10:06 / 21.11.03
Yes - one of the perks of wealth and fame.
 
 
Quireboy
10:11 / 21.11.03
Of course, on the downside, his trial will be a media circus and the seriousness of the allegations will undoubtedly take second billing to salacious celebrity gossip.
 
 
rizla mission
10:23 / 21.11.03
He's the new Fat Elvis really isn't he.. in a "tragic and pitiful creation of the American nightmare" kind of way.


From coolest guy in the world to deranged plastic-faced bogeyman suitable only for mockery and scaring kids to sleep in, what, 20 years?
 
 
Quireboy
12:24 / 21.11.03
It didn't take that long - his face was fucked up at least 10 years ago.

From an entertainment point of view I think the big tragedy is here you had a performer who broke down racial barriers in the US enternatinment industry - opening up MTV, radio, etc for other black artists, and becoming an African-American icon, who then proceeds to turn himself white. And claims there's no difference between skin bleaching and going on a sunbed!
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:57 / 21.11.03
Man, someone else thinks of him as the new fat elvis too?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
15:05 / 21.11.03
Firstly on this one "it was his therapist who sounded the alarm"

This is in a state where if a therapist learns of child abuse of any kind then they are required by law to breach patient confidentiality and inform the authorities. Speculatively speaking I would say there a would need to be some kind of monitoring in place, particularly with hypnosis where PHS could effectively lead a person to believe they were a victim.

Is he guilty? I believe he could be. I think that he has clearly has possibility to have the perspective to believe that such a thing wuld not be wrong, irrespective of the law. However, I very strongly stand by not guilty until proven so to my satisfaction.

A rant on his friends is coming soon.
 
 
Quireboy
15:28 / 21.11.03
I don't think there is any suggestion that this allegation was a recovered memory or something that came out under hypnosis.

However, I have heard reports that the boy's father has branded his ex-wife as 'disturbed'.
 
 
grant
17:33 / 21.11.03
Forget Bush's royal vacation.

Try comparing Michael Jackson coverage to the FTAA protests in Miami.
 
 
Baz Auckland
17:46 / 21.11.03
FTAA protests in Miami? Seriously, I missed that in the news....
 
 
bjacques
06:34 / 22.11.03
I saw some of the FTAA protests on CNN International. It looked like there were confrontations, but overall it was peaceful.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:11 / 22.11.03
Wasn't there also claims that Jacko and co's Dad was physically abusive?
 
  

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