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ONLY NICE THINGS
20:16 / 15.09.03
This line fucking cracked up me up also - and not in the fun way. Couldn't he have written "This is our young Robert Drake, who has powers over the snowflake and the frozen water" or something that at least sounded REMOTELY fucking medieval!?!?? Fuck!!!

Dude, 1602 is a long way from medieval. And they had ice.

Having said which, I want to read this issue more than anything in the universe.

"Marry, this fellow is a man bent on vengeance, or Avenger. And a fearsome sight this *Avenger* is, a very billowing swathe of darkness, like unto the velvet depth that follows day. That is to say, night. He is like night. Also, he has been knighted in the presence of good Queen Bess. Thus, he is also a knight. Furthermore, his apparel is passing fuscy, that is to say dark or, arguably, black. And he has black skin. Like the night. Like the black night or knight that he is. DO YOU SEE?"

"Prithee, nuncle, what is this black knight's name?"

"Batroc the Leaper."
 
 
grant
20:28 / 15.09.03
Cheese is delicious.

Mmmm.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:09 / 16.09.03
I know they had ice, but I'm just saying there was a better way to desribe Bobby Drake other than 'he knows much about ice'.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:17 / 16.09.03
You know, I think you people have sold this to me. I am going directly to the comic shop and buying this after work.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:44 / 16.09.03
*lol* "Sold" it to you in the sense that we talk about how much it sucks and about how people who paid for it tend to regret it afterwards?
 
 
The Falcon
17:19 / 16.09.03
There's a certain camp brilliance in how horrible it all is. I'm hooked!

A 'room of dangers'! I didn't even notice that on the first read.

To be fair, I think the references to Marvel characters have to be so obvious because a) not every reader is as wonderful and clever as we all are, and b) not every reader is as au fait with the Marvel Universe as we all are.

The X-Men have been utterly, utterly embarrassing thus far, still.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:59 / 16.09.03
If all that guff about the heroes having to find out why the Marvel universe has started 300 years too early is true and the DANGER room, DEVIL who DARES, BEAST stuff is actually important as some sort of 'almost aware something is wrong around them' thing you'll all be laughing out of the other side of your faces then...

Well, I can dream can't I?
 
 
diz
18:28 / 16.09.03
but worst/best of all (depending on your point of view) had to be Count Otto Von Doom.

DOOM was actually my favorite part of this. DOOM is so over-the-top normally that he fits in just perfectly here.

also ranking high on the cheese-o-meter here was Mighty Whitey picking up the fucking serving tray and throwing it like a certain star-spangled shield we all know.

and, i still want to know, with regard to good sir Murdock, the DEVIL who doth DARE: the "secret agent working for Nick Fury" thing i can see, to some extent. the "i found a hole in the ground with RADIOACTIVE GREEN GOOP IN IT AND I FUCKING DRANK IT origin is terrible, but quasi-understandable. where does the "merry minstrel" bit fit with DD's character, and why does he sing songs even crappier than the ones drunk Rennies used to make up on the spot at the Renaissance Faires of my youth?

If all that guff about the heroes having to find out why the Marvel universe has started 300 years too early is true and the DANGER room, DEVIL who DARES, BEAST stuff is actually important as some sort of 'almost aware something is wrong around them' thing you'll all be laughing out of the other side of your faces then...

no, not really. that would still be complete shit.

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now, if we are going to take this crap-fest seriously, this issue does give us some new info to chew for the ongoing mysteries:

- DOOM has obviously done something to the dauntless Foursome who crew the Fantastick. you know, DOOM's enemies, the Foursome Fantastick. and DD was singing that crappy song again. i think it's safe to say that "where are the FF?" is a Major Issue. so: theories?

- Peter Parquagh doesn't just notice pretty spiders, he is apparently FUCKING OBSESSED with them. his big date with the cute new chick in town, he goes on and on about fucking spiders. jesus h christ, Neil, beat us over the head, why don't you? anyway, how long until he gets bitten, and how do you think NG will handle it?

- how much do you want to bet Black Widow is working for the Czar?

- why did Javier show Fury the X-Men (J-Men? Ye Goode and Uncannie J-Folk?) to Fury? Fury's right - that's really stupid.

- so the Inquistor is officially Magneto. the big hang-up for me was the whole "why is he killing (barf) wicthbreed?" answer: he's only killing witchbreed who disagree with him. gotcha.

- the 1602 timeline seems to have already veered away from ours: Mighty Whitey has saved the Roanoke colony. do you think that this means that other historical stuff will change, drastically? maybe James will not succeed Elizabeth. mayhap it will yet be DOOM who ascends the throne!

NOTE: if this timeline ends up with DOOM as King of England at any point, i will take back some of the negative stuff i've said so far.

- the Dark And Forboding Weather Effect Which Signifies That Something Important Is Happening dissipates when Virginia Dare shows up. this undoubtedly has something to do with the fact that she's supposed to be dead, which itself probably has something to do with the Marvel universe happening too early.

ANOTHER NOTE: i will also take back some negative things if Uatu the Watcher shows up at some point, thereby signifying that Something Important is happening in traditional Marvel fashion. this goes double if he breaks the fourth wall and actually addresses the reader directly at some point. i [heart] Uatu.
 
 
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19:02 / 16.09.03
This may explain why I prefer DC....
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:46 / 16.09.03
On the 'whatever has happened to the Fantastic Four' idea, in issue one Dr. Strange seems to have fleeting vision of someone who I assume to be the Human Torch stuck on a small island surrounded by water in an ice cave, so perhaps it's some negatey-powers type trap and as in this universe the Fantastic Four seem to have been older than any of the other heroes (at least by the way Murdoch sings the song of them) I wonder if some present day Fant. 4/Doom barney somehow got way out of hand and transplanted the Marvel universe into the past. Of course, Quesada might have been lying and 1602 IS just a Elseworlds. When did Elizabeth I die?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:53 / 16.09.03
And, although I am completely frickin' mortified that the subjects of my study are being made to jump through these absurd hoops for the exploitation of the fanboy, although Reed Richards, currently sporting a ludicrous moustache and the phraseology of a Pirate in an issue of "Whizzer and Chips", is perhaps the closest one such as I could have to a friend, although I have grown fond of this Earth and Gaiman's doubleted drag act makes me want to stab my eyes out with sharpened spoons, I can only watch.

For I am UATU. The Watcher.

(Marry, nuncle, yon fellow has eyes the circumference of the very Earth, which, by the way, I believe to be flat, because I am a character from the early seventeenth centruy. I daresay he WATCHES passing well. DO YOU SEE?

Yes, Peter, he just said. Do shut up and play with the spider.)
 
 
The Falcon
21:36 / 16.09.03
Elizabeth died in 1603. Do you see?
 
 
The Falcon
21:41 / 16.09.03
Sorry; this is turning into Digitiser on Ch.4 teletext.
 
 
The Strobe
21:53 / 16.09.03
MR T SAY: NO IT AINT, FOO.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:40 / 17.09.03
If '1602' were a fool. Mr T would pity it.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:07 / 17.09.03
LOL!

[Mr. T. aside: Mr. T once said something like "For several years, Mr. T went away. Butts went unkicked, fools went unpitied..." I love it!]
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
17:15 / 17.09.03
[Mr T aside] I once saw a t-shirt with a picture of Mr T on it and the words "6,348 fools pitied since 1983". Brilliant.[/Mr T aside]
 
 
grant
19:40 / 18.09.03
the 1602 timeline seems to have already veered away from ours: Mighty Whitey has saved the Roanoke colony.

Actually, there may be genuine (fringe) history at work there. The first thing I thought of when I saw that dashing blond injun on the deck of the ship was "Oh, Melungeon."
 
 
grant
20:17 / 18.09.03
By which I mean these guys.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
20:46 / 18.09.03
Oh, I'll be watching.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:41 / 09.10.03
The new one is out (#3) - anyone read it? I've been burned twice by this book and don't want to spend money on it again. Is it any better than the first two?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
16:40 / 09.10.03
MR T'S SWIMING ADVICE

NO PETTING

NO BOMBING

NO GANG COLOURS

STAY AWAY FROM MR T'S BINS

Man I miss digi
 
 
FinderWolf
18:31 / 09.10.03
Um, not quite sure I caught your meaning there, Radiator. I know there've been Mr. T jokes on this thread, but .....??

and you miss...Digimon? Digging through bins to find comics that aren't as shitty as 1602? I'm surprised Randy Ladner and Entertainment Weekly 1602 good reviews...
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
00:39 / 10.10.03
"Hi, I'm Sir Nicholas, the Queen's head of security. I'm nastily suspicious of everyone and everything, from the Queen's own physician to that weird Irish bard to whom I've entrusted the safety of the world's ultimate weapon/treasure. I see that you gents are about to wheel some sort of strange mechanical contraption into Her Majesty's presence. What's the deal? Oh, it's from Count von Doom? No need for me to worry, then; I'm off without a second glance, let alone inspection."

Oh, and guess what? The 1602 version of Black Widow is REALLY good at hand-to-hand combat! And Cyclops is jealous of J. Grey and Angel spending time together! Nothing like a great mind reworking classic characters!

No, really: This is NOTHING like a great mind reworking classic characters.

It's bordering on bulldada, but at $3.50 an issue?
 
 
DaveBCooper
08:48 / 10.10.03
It isn't on fire for me, either, and I'm thinking of waiting for the trade.
To be honest, I see buying it as a contribution to the Marvelman fighting fund, but maybe I'd be better off just sending a cheque to Marvels and Miracles LLC or whatever they're called...
 
 
FinderWolf
13:25 / 10.10.03
I skimmed this in the store and I was relived to see it sucked. Cause this way I keep more money in my leather money sack.
 
 
The Falcon
16:48 / 10.10.03
I really thought this issue wasn't as shit as I'd expected. But now I'm not so sure.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:05 / 10.10.03
I just feel like Neil Gaiman, while not the most brilliant writer in comics, is a really good writer most of the time and is better than the stuff he's writing in 1602. Maybe he just isn't meant to write Marvel superheroes. His few forays into writing DC superheroes were better than this, but his DC superhero stuff (the few short stories he did) had a much darker, more sophisticated tone to them than 1602.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
05:33 / 17.10.03
Issue Three- In which still very little happens, but Gad sir, it happens beautifully!
 
 
FinderWolf
14:42 / 01.12.03
Does this still totally suck ass? I would imagine it does, just curious. Those covers sure are purty, though.
 
 
_Boboss
14:58 / 01.12.03
i'm fairly confident that I can think of more venomous words than most to fling gaiman's way - have done many times in the past - not doing it now because 1602 is getting quite good:

rr - 'but victor, if light travelled at a constant speed through a vacuum it would explain so much...'

can't slag that kids, that's top.
 
 
The Falcon
11:23 / 02.12.03
Is #4 out?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:25 / 03.12.03
What's good about it besides that one line, 23ris? Just curious? Is the plot getting better and more interesting? Less cheesy dialogue?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:31 / 03.12.03
My favorite posts making fun of 1602:

first, from Flyboy:

>> Ah, but young master Haus, you unseemly cur, did you not mark the passage in which Nicholas Fury observes that the blind man is a man who cannot be said to be frightened of any thing or man, thus cannot be said to possess any fear? That is to say, sirrah, that he is truly a MAN who does not HAVE any FEAR - a MAN WITHOUT FEAR, as the common tongue may have it. Zounds! This master Gaiman is truly the most learned of men on God's good earth.

and second, from Haus:

>> Marry, nuncle, yon fellow has eyes the circumference of the very Earth, which, by the way, I believe to be flat, because I am a character from the early seventeenth centruy. I daresay he WATCHES passing well. DO YOU SEE?
 
 
_Boboss
13:55 / 03.12.03
spoiliez for the moaniez

well, there's still a fair bit of cheesy dialogue. i find most varieties of cheese have something to recommend them though, except perhaps a crumbly and insipid wensleydale.

vic's now finished with the mystery act and is full on rubbing hands together bad - he's got the 4 locked up in caves and whenever grimm starts an earthquake he starves them for a week. banner's like james I's chancellor or something, and fury and strange are up against it, being forced to take out xaviers'. and the widow's a double-crosser, having done the shaft good n solid to matt. the bits with cap, who's a total village-person, are hilarious. i will admit freely that these are not not the plots of your fathers. but - the identity of the old man and the templar weapon - i dunno what it is and reasonably excited to find out, in a good-old-fashioned-rip-roaring-story-fashion.

but i dunno, i like elseworldses, and though marvel's characters don't fit that kind of reinterpretation as well as the girls from the dcu, gaiman's just smart enough to pull it off. i like the period - i want marlowe to pop up and go 'i'm not dead! i'm galactus!' and a smelly, shifty mordo to appear to strange and offer to channel the angel language for him. the way elizabeth=good, james=bad [scotch, effete even] makes me think about the way our historical narratives have formed. the art is dirty and aristocratic at the same time. and it's not going to drag on for as long as sandman. it's just reasonably good time travellin superheroes - if you decide not to let yourself be annoyed by the annoying bits, which all read very tongue in cheek to me anyway. there's hardly any comics of the type i like worth getting these days - going for gaiman is an act of mild desperation it's true, but it keeps me quiet for five minutes on a saturday.
 
  

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