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The Falcon

23:55 / 18.08.03

Didn't the Templars have 'pagan objects and ways'? Also, the old man has a cane, like Donald Blake. 'The most powerful weapon in the world' = Baphomjolnir?

Although - the Hulk has since occurred, and Surfer could well be manipulating the weather. I think it's all Kirby-era characters (mostly Kirby, actually) too, so Galactus wouldn't be out of the question. (In which case, yer Ultimate Nullifier would fit the bill.)

It's worrying how arousing I find that prospect.

Much more excited about #2 now.

neuepunk

00:10 / 19.08.03

The Summerisle thing doesn't seem nearly as bad after reading over those annotations...

"Summerisle" is the name of the isolated island in the fantastic British 1970's horror/thriller flick The Wicker Man, where the Christians have been driven out and the old, pagan religion holds sway. Christopher Lee plays Lord Summerisle.

Now we just have to reconcile the Scotius part.

Colonel Kadmon

12:25 / 19.08.03

I don't read Marvel stuff, so I didn't bother trying to guess who the characters were. I just like stuff about elizabethan magicians, and especially the Knights Templar.

So I really dug it.

sleazenation

15:19 / 19.08.03

Now we just have to reconcile the Scotius part Maybe because the film's set in Scotland?

_Boboss

10:21 / 21.08.03

and summers' superpower is being uptight, or a virgin like eewawoowaa's character in the film. he should have had a wooden box covering his head with a pull-aside slot.

i'm trying to ignore 1602 because it keeps getting better when i'm thinking about it then when i try to read it again i have to stop because i'm laughing so much at the shittiness of the whole thing. it's such a nice clean c17th, where's the fucking stink of the place?

the white haired chick'll be snowbird tho, no?

14:00 / 21.08.03

Didn't Hob Gadling complain in one of the final Sandman issues about how those medieval theme park things were too clean compared to how they actually were?

FinderWolf

15:03 / 21.08.03

>> he should have had a wooden box covering his head with a pull-aside slot.

This made me laugh so hard - and I actually seriously wish they did this in the book. Would have been much better than sunglasses 400 years before sunglasses were invented.

ONLY NICE THINGS

22:05 / 21.08.03

I'd suggest Duns Scotius as a possible reference point for Scotius, if it wasn't so completely pointless.

Oh, I see that Jess Nevins has already mentioned that. Aways interested by the sketchy erudition in these annotations - some interesting stuff, but no thought of the white dragon and the red dragon for example, or the relation of "draig" and "drake".

(Also looking forward to John Grey revealing that, thanks to the interferene of the Skrulls, men actually *are* from Mars and women from Venus)

The Hob Gadling ren faire is a very Gaiman thing - telling his readers that the view of a historical period or myth generally presented to (unintelligent, indiscriminate) mass is a lie, and then presenting a gift-wrapped new representation for the cognoscenti. Eeeble. Loving the idea of Ewar Woowar with a box on his head and optic blasts, mind.

(Summerisle, of course, is also a faux-gothic font with Olde English overtones. I say nothing)

Rev. Jesse

04:48 / 24.08.03

Well, The way I see it, sure, this isn't the best comic in the world, but it beats the pants off of Powers #31 and the recent Hunter series, both of which I paid for.

Now that you are done laughing at me, here's my take on characters, the Virginia maid is Magick, and the Indian is her brother, Colossus. The Old Man is the Ancient One.

If I'm correct, the McGuffin in the box is any one of a number of magic artifacts, with the Wand of Watmoob (or however it is spelt) fitting the weird weather issue.

-Jesse

Rev. Jesse

04:56 / 24.08.03

Oh yeah, the green guy? Hydra Agent (he attacked Fury after all)

I am such a geek.

Our Lady of The Two Towers

07:56 / 25.08.03

I was thinking Green Goblin as he had a weird face.

And with my geek hat on, would a moderator perhaps care to change the thread title to '1602 #1' or something similar as there will be more issues of this, regardless of what some people might wish

ONLY NICE THINGS

20:27 / 25.08.03

Well, the dude vanished, so I'm thinking probably the Vanisher.

After Scotius Summerisle, I think my favourite cheese dish here must have been Daredevil. "If one is a DEVIL for DARING to do stuff, then, yes, I am a DEVIL. A bit of a DAREDEVIL, in fact. Do you see?"

Regrettable Juvenilia

23:10 / 25.08.03

Ah, but young master Haus, you unseemly cur, did you not mark the passage in which Nicholas Fury observes that the blind man is a man who cannot be said to be frightened of any thing or man, thus cannot be said to possess any fear? That is to say, sirrah, that he is truly a MAN who does not HAVE any FEAR - a MAN WITHOUT FEAR, as the common tongue may have it. Zounds! This master Gaiman is truly the most learned of men on God's good earth.

I've not done laughing at *anyone* who paid money for this yet. I've read Chuck Austen comics in the shop which made me bleed at the eyes less copiously.

ONLY NICE THINGS

18:52 / 26.08.03

Hang on - was Nick Fury (sorry, Sir Nicholas Fury, Bukkake Intelligencer to the Court of Good Queen Bess) talking about Matt Murdock (sorry, Goodwife Matthias Murdockeockeocky), or about blind people in general? Only, I can't help but feel that the turn of the seventeenth century had plenty of things a blind man could feel fear about, starting with low tables and working up to poor emergency exits, straw roofing and a surfeit of naked flames....

Regrettable Juvenilia

19:01 / 26.08.03

No no no. You haven't understood it at all, have you Haus? I feel sorry for you, unable to appreciate the subtleties and nuances of this comic, which is in so many ways like a fine wine. Go back and read it again. He's talking about the singular blind man who wears the red sash over his eyes and is a most acrobatic minstrel. He is not like other blind men. Why, it is almost as if he sees better than you or I, even without eyes...

ONLY NICE THINGS

19:29 / 26.08.03

Why, prithee, nuncle, my knavery is exposed for all to see, and I shall no doubt be in lipsbury-pinfold forthwith. Good Sir Nicholas was, of course, referring to the blind minstrel, whose abilities seem almost not of this earth, a perception only enhanced by his difference from the timorous gait of so many blind fellows. Why, one might think him some sort of DEVIL. And a DARING DEVIL to boot, God wot.

So who do you reckon this leaping minstrel bloke is, then? I reckon it's Batroc the Leaper, but blind and not French. There goes my Epic pitch.

FinderWolf

19:53 / 26.08.03

Human Fly, you made me laugh really hard. Thanks. But I fear I count myself among those you mock, for verily, I did payeth full price for this periodical.

Oh, and by the way, the blonde white Indian dude (WTF?!?!?) is a phonetic Steve Rogers, thus he is...Captain America!! Just like all the blonde white Indians who started this great country. (But seriously, he is supposed to be Cap and no one else, methinks. Jess Nevins even saideth so!)

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

21:43 / 26.08.03

Really not too impressed over here.
I reckon Mjolnir's in the box, too. But I'll probably have to rely on you guys to let me know cos I don't know if I'm gonna bother with the rest.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

21:44 / 26.08.03

Fly- I got a discount... do I still get laughed at?
And I was drunk.

bio k9

00:04 / 27.08.03

You go to the comic store when you're drunk?

quinine92001

04:19 / 27.08.03

Who doesn't? I'm thinking that the only thing inside the box is Marsalis' soul, or the eye of amagattoro, or the gem of cyrattak, or the phoneix crystal... something like that. I really dug the Strange sequence with Clea and the mirrors. I think the guy in green was the Vulture(one of many Spidey nememis)I liked the impending doom, didn't like the witchbreed. Wishing for Reed R to appear.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

11:17 / 28.08.03

I only go to the comic shop when I'm drunk.

And I've yet again tried to read it... I don't know... I can't get more than 17 or so pages in and I lose the will to live. "Otto the Handsome" made me smirk. Other than that...

it's poo. Sorry that's not the most incisive criticism, but...

it's poo.

Spaniel

11:55 / 28.08.03

and the Indian is her brother, Colossus.

Captain America, mate. Check out his name (and his hair, for that matter).

FinderWolf

12:10 / 28.08.03

I agree, "Otto the Handsome" is one of the few interesting twisty ideas in all this so far.

FinderWolf

15:10 / 13.09.03

The second one came out - not too great. I may just drop this at this point and just read it in the store from now on. Sad, because I expected at least a little more from this.

We see the X-Men in full 'costume' and it's pretty horrible. I still don't like the fact that Cyclops has shades 100 years befores sunglasses are invented.

Rohjaz the white Indian throws a serving plate like a shield at the Vulture (the vampiric looking guy who attacked in issue 1 and left readers wondering exactly who he was).

And maybe Virginia Dare is Snowbird? But I thought Gaiman was only using early Marvel Universe characters.

*yawn* It's so disappointing that this series kinda sucks. Oh well. More money I can save.

diz

18:25 / 13.09.03

god i almost tore the damn thing in half when Javier started going off on his " i wish i had a ROOM where DANGER could materialize from nothing... a ROOM full of DANGER... *elbows in the side* get it? a DANGER ROOM?"

why did i buy this? why?

Keith, like a scientist

20:27 / 13.09.03

i know, god help me, i know.

I like Gaiman. But that Danger Room line was just AWFUL. This is easily one of the cheesiest comics I've ever read. I honestly thought that Gaiman would write it a little more classical and less chock full of stupid goodies...

If he would have just wrote it and treated it like Stardust, it would be much better. Yeah, and get Vess to draw it instead of this annoying plastic artist...

_Boboss

08:53 / 14.09.03

yes. i gave up the shekels for no2 [how aptly numbered] because i remembered the lady saying she enjoyed the first issue. this one was as annoying as the first - at one point you have pete the geek bemoaning his life of adventure, yearning for enough peace to go away and mae himself some specs. this pinned down an aspect of spidey's character that i've not seen before and i thought it was excellent. then the bit with charli's room of danger cqame up and the whole comic found itself on the far side othe room. ah me.

_Boboss

08:55 / 14.09.03

ooop yeah and sorry to be a cunt but i was the only one to read the last issue who worked out the girl was snowbird. go me! me the cunt!

Spaniel

10:14 / 14.09.03

I thought all that Daredevil a man who is unafraid crap was bad, but...

i wish i had a ROOM where DANGER could materialize from nothing

Fuck me, I'm so glad I didn't shell out for this shit.

David Roel

10:55 / 14.09.03

that Cyclops has shades 100 years befores sunglasses are invented.

Yeah, and human beings don't have super-powers, either.

The Strobe

11:12 / 14.09.03

God.

I read this in Comics Showcase whilst picking up the mighty, mighty LOEG #6.

And what ass it was. In which Gaiman continues to try and introduce as many Marvel characters as possible in the space of 23 pages. Murdock was bad, the X-Men were cheesy (Danger Room line especially), Peter Parker was just dumb, but worst/best of all (depending on your point of view) had to be Count Otto Von Doom.

The writing is remarkable in its dreadfulness; I'm appalled Gaiman is being paid for this shite.

Spaniel

12:20 / 14.09.03

Gaiman seems to be less interested in story than some kind of grotesque, fanboy, spot the reference test.

It makes me feel dirty.

Regrettable Juvenilia

17:37 / 14.09.03

Don't forget "Ah yes I am a man but many men would say I am more like a BEAST" or "this is our young Robert Drake, who knows much about ICE".

I've changed my mind. This comic is going to go down in history. Like Ishtar.

FinderWolf

20:05 / 15.09.03

>> this is our young Robert Drake, who knows much about ICE

This line fucking cracked up me up also - and not in the fun way. Couldn't he have written "This is our young Robert Drake, who has powers over the snowflake and the frozen water" or something that at least sounded REMOTELY fucking medieval!?!?? Fuck!!!

And the whole 'don't complain about Scott's sunglasses because it's all a fantasy, comics aren't real, people don't really have superpowers' doesn't wash with me. There's no excuse for a bad story, or bad writing. The earlier suggestion about Scott having a box on his head with a slide door was far, far better! Gaiman could have at least tried to think about what Scott would have worn to protect others from his blasts in that time period. It's called being creative and inventive.

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