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Bagsy Mafia 4 - Space Station Whisky!

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19:55 / 25.04.03

"and by his own admission, doesn't really have enough time/net access to play properly."

What? I never said that.

20:39 / 25.04.03

I am go for whenever it starts.

20:39 / 25.04.03

I'm down like a duck. Beam me up, Whiskeeey, I always wanted to be special.

Nietzsch E. Coyote

21:46 / 25.04.03

I am still very much IN.

00:32 / 26.04.03

Confirming.

01:06 / 26.04.03

Yeah, yeah - I'm in. Sorry. Watching the cruise ship sort itself out

05:41 / 26.04.03

I'm still interested.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

01:09 / 27.04.03

I'm still in (but I'll understand if there's no room- I've been in all 3 games so far.)

01:52 / 27.04.03

I'm still in. Mwahahaha.

10:32 / 27.04.03

I can't still be in as I have horrible funeral type things to do in darkest Wiltshire with no internet access, and then I'm running away to Thailand to hide for a few weeks.

Can I be a cert for 5?

11:22 / 27.04.03

Hmmm. I'm in, but will there be a pause around Mayday, given the high number of troublemakers and foreign agitators (incl. one potato-eating demonstration monkey) on this list?

Goddammit, Spock...
(I gotta post that .mp3)

13:46 / 27.04.03

I'm definitely still interested. Sci-fi roleplaying without dice-rolling or social stigma? Score!

21:10 / 27.04.03

Flushed from successfully surviving M3 I'm definitely still in.

Woo. rat's in space!

04:51 / 28.04.03

Whaddya mean no dice!!?!! I got mine right here, monkeyboy, and I don't consider it to be a stigma to know what to do with 'em...

[ahhh. wrong character. pardon me. ]

Whisky Priestess

10:38 / 28.04.03

Ding ding! Right, as Iconoplast pm'd me and said that ze wasn't able to do it after all, I now count fifteen crew and it's time to launch this baby. In order of confirmation, our happy gang of spacefarers is:

Flyboy
Iszabelle
Todd
Baz Auckland
Qalyn
Lionheart
Patrick MM
Orr
Nietzsch
Lolita
Tez
Stoatie
bjacques (and there may indeed be a pause around mayday, as I will be at my aunt's wedding)
Bizunth
Rat

I will be scouring the web for space pix and trying to remember how to post images (help, anyone?) until tonight, and Ill try and PM you all your assigned roles by about 7pm UK. In this game we will be working on UK time which is (I think) an hour ahead of Barbetime. Basically I can't be arsed to work it out. But I'll check UK time's relation to Barbetime anyway. All votes must be in by midnight UK this Friday 2nd May, if not sooner.

And remember, in space no-one can hear you scream ...

Whisky Priestess

10:39 / 28.04.03

Ok. UK time is one hour behind Barbetime. Take note.

Whisky Priestess

14:37 / 28.04.03

Just to remind you all, now that there are fifteen of us aboard I have had to add a couple more special characters. Descriptions of the other special chracters mentioned below are on Page 1 of the thread. The 2 I have added are the Martyr - like the Doctor, but ze dies in the place of the person ze protects - and the Changeling, who has no special attributes until the first player is killed or targeted by the Mafia, at which point the Changeling takes on that player's attributes even if the killing fails.

Thus if the first person to be killed is a Detective, but the Doctor protects hir, you add another Detective to the game. If the victim is not protected, the chameleon will replace hir in hir role and the numbers are maintained. If the Fink is targeted and protected, the Mafia will also end up with 2 Finks - but generally this character works to the advantage of the vilagers.

Thus the special characters in this game, and their numbers, are:
3 Mafia
2 Detectives
2 Masons
1 Fink
1 Ninja
1 Bulletproof
1 Governor
1 Doctor
1 Vampire
1 Martyr
1 Changeling

Whisky Priestess

14:42 / 28.04.03

NB The Ninja is half-powered and can only kill every other Night, starting with Night 2. The Governor can only issue two stays of execution in the whole game, and should therefore use hir power wisely. When an execution is stayed nobody dies that Day. The Governor cannot stay the execution of someone ze has voted for, and neither can ze stay the execution of the same person more than once.

15:56 / 28.04.03

Have you added the Governor, the Vampire and the Changeling to the wiki?

I'm thinking over the Changeling. Since that player's ability is triggered by the Mafia, it seems like that character is going to weight the game against the Maf. Well, since it's the first round, it's random, and given the odds already, it's not going to alter things TOO much, but still. Hmm.

It just occurred to me that it might be interesting having a Bulletproof who ricochets... who, once whacked, can either choose to die or else choose one villager to die in hir place. Mafia could whack one of their own, accidentally, that way. That'd be crazy.

Whisky Priestess

17:09 / 28.04.03

Er no, sorry. Will do so tonight. Everybody ought to have their roles by now, (if any player hasn't, PM me and I will resend) but I have to go to the dress rehearsal of my play which starts tomorrow, so I will start up the game thread when I get home tonight, probably about 11.30 UK time. Sorry to keep folks waiting.

03:28 / 29.04.03

....fucking hell.... I need a bigger thesaurus!

Whisky Priestess

12:55 / 16.06.03

Bump!

Mafia 4 is now officially over. Thoughts? Queries? Insults?

13:10 / 16.06.03

I liked the all special character mafia a lot, though I think if we play it again a hell of a lot of people will be claiming to be bulletproof.

Gah.

Questions for our "evildoers"-

Q: Was Baz admitting he was the Fink part of a deliberate disinformation campaign? Ditto splitting the Mafia vote in the penultimate round. Why did Rat vote for me and not Iszabelle like the rest of the baddies?

We had a disinformation campaign going on during that round, where Isz and lolita pretended not to have any idea of what was going on (and I stayed quiet) in order to get at least one of the baddies to vote for Isz, instead of me (because if the three baddies had all voted for me, game over). I was really excited after it worked but then I screwed it up. I'm totally glad I didn't gloat in thread after that because I would have got my comeuppance fer shure.

Q: This is for Orr - If the "Baz Memos" were legit, how did you figure out that bjacques was the doctor so early in the game? I couldn't figure out how Rat and Baz and bjacques fit in, at all. I was operating on a model that had Orr as the main mafia, and Rat as a vampire (because of Whisky sparing him) but that turned out to be wrong as well.

and finally, Q for bcjaques -

Q: If you were the doctor, why didn't you protect Flyboy? Dude, you totally screwed my calculations, because after Flyboy got whacked, I was convinced that you WEREN't the doctor, because I though the Doctor would have protected one of the two known innocents, and I knew what Flyboy, Isz, and Lolita were. I thought Baz was the doctor until bjacques got killed.

Feh.

14:00 / 16.06.03

I'm not sure I appreciate being spared for a lifetime of servitude to the mafia - I may use that lovely bone knife on myself if, now that all is revealed, the Captain doesn't give up her neutrality and send hordes of droids after the MAFIA scum. (I will, of course, happily serve the Captain...)

I think we could have pulled it off - if I'd voted for Orr one round sooner, or if I could have convinced Todd we were being set up.

I really liked this game, where everybody was a character. Lots of fun - extra bargaining chips a la "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" and a definite incentive to pay attention to nuance.

14:03 / 16.06.03

I thought we were being set up! The opposite way!

14:43 / 16.06.03

I'm afraid my desperate attempt to avoid death was at first NOT a deliberate disinfo campaign. It was me being a bad sport.... thankfully it worked out in the end.

The "Baz memos" were legit. (Apologies again for being a bad sport. In attempts to save my life, I forwarded PMs sent to me from Orr to Isz, showing that Orr was MAF, and I was FINK.)

14:50 / 16.06.03

Oh man. I was all like "Orr's tricking us! From beyond the grave! Those PMs have been edited! " &c.

Whisky Priestess

14:51 / 16.06.03

You naughty naughty Baz. No halo for you.

I'll give you guys the breakdown of what actually happened round-by-round (if you're interested, and even if you're not) as soon as I get home and can consult my books, Giles-style.

I thought there were a lot of interesting features of this game, particularly the initial lack of bloodshed and the surprisingly strong influence of even a half-powered Governor (Todd never used his powers, btw, but Isz used hers twice - the maximum).

The Vampire and the Changeling were also good characters, I thought, because they can totally turn the game around, especially if the first Mafia hit fails (as in this game) and no one has any idea what or who the Changeling is.

16:18 / 16.06.03

Thanks to all: I had a great game and the last few votes were nerve-wracking.

Also I feel it may be necessary to apologise to all of those I duped and/or barbarously murdered during this particular game. I didn't mean to do it. My mother didn't love me enough. I'm a weak and young little rodent, but I've been trying hard lately. Nah, fuck it, I'm a monster, I admit it.

Special thanks to Baz and Todd for the last round of voting. I specifically asked Baz to vote with me against iszabelle and then treacherously denounced him for it - cheers, man. And thanks to Todd for coming through for me at the end - *aw* - it was a sweet, sweet moment when I realised you were voting against Baz rather than myself. w00t. You were a good player to go up against.

iszabelle - I'd been courting your friendship during the game (obviously) for tactical reasons and was pleased when you defended me after Baz's honesty prolapse, but I did actually genuinely like you. Heh, come join the Cosa Nostra, join usss, join usss.

Also, Tezcatlipoca helped me enormously by sending me (correct) details of all the entity indentities he knew when his imminent demise became certain. Cheers, man.

Thanks to everyone else for some great corp- uh, characters. Really added to the game.

Lastly, thanks to the Captain Priestess for all the hard work, the administration and, especially, the often extremely funny descriptions - great stuff.

...Oh yeah, and a big fuck you to my evil internal modem for damn near losing me the game (it's only just started working again, bastard thing).

16:27 / 16.06.03

Baz: I almost sent you a PM to ask what the hell you were doing by confessing - but feared that you might just forward it to the others. So glad I didn't, now.

Todd: I didn't vote in a block with the other Sicilians because I felt they were recklessly endangering my life by being unnecessarily obvious. Quite frankly by the endgame I'd already decided to win by any means necessary, if that meant stringing up the other Mafia members then, oh yes, so be it.

Whisky Priestess

16:30 / 16.06.03

Aw, cheers rat. I'm glad I didn't kill you. Such talent should be nurtured.

Now I have a largeish room again I am becoming sorely tempted to try andhost a real-life Mafia game with lots of booze and crisps chez moi ... the max number would be 10, and I think I can already count Flyboy, potus, Anna de L, Orr and possibly Haus in - so would anyone else (London-dwellers, as I'm not having a bunch of pissed 'lithers sleeping on my floor) be interested?

16:33 / 16.06.03

If you had sent that PM to Baz, and he had forwarded it to us, I would have definitely. voted. for. Baz. I was so spun around. The funny thing is, for like the last 3 rounds, I was convinced it was you and Orr, the way Orr kept voting for you and how you both denigrated each other as too blundering to be Mafia. It just shouted "plausible deniability" to me. Ironically, by trying to tell the truth, Baz totally made me change the way I was thinking.

16:52 / 16.06.03

Ah. That explains a lot. I knew you'd had a bead on me for rounds and was desperate hoping for iszabelle's support against you (and that was becoming extremely unlikely). The friction between Orr and I was genuine to a certain extent - I like Orr a lot, he comes across as an intelligent, articulate, all round nice chap - but our play styles were very different. His initial games by PM made him an obvious target and his public treatment of me was extremely inconsistent - my main tactic rapidly became a question of simply hoping to make my self less of a target than Orr and Baz, and then praying that the nightly assaults would be effective in time to scramble to victory over their bodies.

16:53 / 16.06.03

At least somebody had a clue what was going on. I think I've conclusively proved that although I'm not too bad at working out what people are, I'm no damn good at actually playing this game. Played by the masons, played by the governor, played by our own fink - how the hell did I survive that long?

Baz - when did you start forwarding my pms to the other side? From the sound of things they seem to have got everything I ever sent you. What was the plan there?

Lolita - I'm hurt, crushed, awed and more than a little scared right now. How did you manage to keep a straight face talking to me just waiting for my next jubilant missive to Baz to land in your inbox? Was it that obvious that a knife to my ego was all it would take to control me like a puppet?

Rat - Congrats, sir. I still say we could have won a round earlier working together, but I still didn't know that Baz was off the reservation at that point. Well played and enjoy the spoils of war.

As to how I 'knew' who the doctor was and so on - well they played like a doctor. Pattern recognition gave me most of the identities quite early on it just didn't help me at all in the later stages.

Overall, I think this was the game with the most extreme swings of fortune between the sides. I was convinced it was all over several times and that was when I thought I knew what was happening. Good show, captain!

16:59 / 16.06.03

We only got the PMs after it was clear that you were toast, Orr. That's what made me think there was some collusion between the two of you, other than what Baz was admitting to. God, i feel so stupid

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