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IRAQ NEWS as it happens.

 
  

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We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:21 / 20.03.03
Rumsfeld: 3 or 4 oil wells burning in the south of Iraq, and "it's a crime".

Also Rumsfeld: any future regime in Iraq will not want Weapons of Mass Destruction, and will "maintain a single country" - suggesting that the Kurds will not be getting land for an independent state from Iraq; they obviously won't be getting it from Turkey, either.
 
 
sleazenation
14:25 / 20.03.03
Rumsfeld is still seeking to confirm the oil fields on fire rumor.

Again, Like Jack - i noticed a conspicious lack of a pledge towards a democratic Iraq in his speach.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:26 / 20.03.03
Nick: to be fair, the gov't of the Kurdish autonomous region in N. Iraq has gone on the record as saying it has no aspirations towards independent statehood, and wishes to remain part of a free and democratic Iraq.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:35 / 20.03.03
Interesting. Didn't know that - I had the impression that Kurdish seperatism was a serious issue, but maybe that's Turkey...
 
 
sleazenation
14:49 / 20.03.03
Oh its a serious issue alright, but jack is correct that they have gone on the record as saying it has no aspirations towards independent statehood. But It seems that this is more of a political move on their part - they know its not on the cards at the moment but want to retain some element of their autonomy and work from there... Something that makes Turky very nervous.
 
 
sleazenation
15:05 / 20.03.03
BBC radio now reporting that the pentagon is claiming 4 oil wells in Basra. This appears to be confirmation of earlier rumors...

earlier report here.
 
 
netbanshee
15:11 / 20.03.03
Washington Post reporting ground troops firing artillery at Iraqi positions in the south.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:20 / 20.03.03
For Nick and whoever's interested: a bit more background on the Kurds and the possibility of a Kurdish state. Summary and transcribed highlights of an NPR story I heard yest'y:

More than half of the world 25 million Kurds live mainly in southeastern Turkey: the rest are scattered throughout parts of Armenia, northern Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

Scientific surveys, however, show that fewer than 10% of Turkey's Kurds harbor separatist aspirations: by and large they consider themselves Turks first and foremost, insisting that their interests have nothing to do with the Kurds of northern Iraq.

But there are worries among the Turkish establishment nonetheless. The head of the Eurasian Center for Strategic Studies says, "In the long run, there's going to be a pan-Kurdist aspiration in this region, which is going to be a threat to regional stability."

Part of the suspicion is borne out by recent history: there was guerilla warfare between pan-Kurdish separatists and the Turkish army throughout much of the 1990s.

But part of it seems to be down to a sort of nationalist/cultural paranoia woven into the Turkish psyche—at least, that's how reportere Guy Raz seemed to characterize it: "For Turks, who are raised on the idea that outside forces have historically sought Turkey's disintegration, the idea of Kurdish independence plays right into their deepest suspicions." (emphasis mine)
 
 
Quantum
15:33 / 20.03.03
The Turkish treatment of Kurds leaves a lot to be desired to say the least. Did you know they are flooding vast areas of the Kurds homeland by building a huge dam? And that Balfour Beatty (UK construction company) are building it?
Turkey demanded they match the 40,000 (or whatever) troops sent by the US into Kurdistan- there is a possibility they had an ulterior motive (i.e. the annexing of Kurdistan and continuing ethnic cleansing) but either way the Kurds I saw interviewed on TV said they welcomed American troops but were prepared to fight to the death against the Turks whom they saw as invaders.
Anyone noticed the massive influx of Kurdish refugees in London and the prevalence of PKK graffiti? (especially North London, Finsbury Park/Harringey) There's a reason...
 
 
Poke it with a stick
15:36 / 20.03.03
Wasn't that the dam that Mark Thomas highlighted a few months back, to the extent that the negative publicity forced Balfour Beatty to pull out?
I'm sure it'll still be built, but at least people are more aware of the situation, I guess.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:57 / 20.03.03
Bombardment and troops on the move.

Cue 'Ride of the Valkyries'.

War's up.
 
 
Enamon
17:21 / 20.03.03
Wagner.

Nice.

Kind of fits in with this whole blitzkrieg scenario.

Oops. I mean Shock & Awe
 
 
Jack Fear
17:26 / 20.03.03
Nick's making a reference to the film Apocalypse Now, Enamon.

Nobody is actually playing Wagner in Iraq.

That we know of.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:33 / 20.03.03
Oh, fuck me sideways: there's suspicion that the Palo Verde nuclear plant in Arizona may be the object of an intended terrorist attack.

Also: rampant speculation that Saddam might already be dead or out of the country, and that his body doubles have been filling in for him in his TV appearances.

In related news, the movie Dave—about a body double for the US President who accidentally accedes to power—aired on cable's USA Network last night. Coincidence?
 
 
Jack Fear
19:41 / 20.03.03
Baghdad burning: gigantic penis remains firm.

 
 
Jack Fear
19:48 / 20.03.03
About those burning oil fields—Pentagon reports state that three or four wells are burning now: compare that to the 700 Kuwaiti wells torches in 1991.

But widespread burning could have devastating effects. Iraq's got a lot more oil than Kuwait, and it shoots forth at higher pressures. It took nine months and US$40 billion to put out the fires in Kuwait: Iraq could be much, much worse.

New Scientist has details and projections, which are frankly horrifying.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:32 / 20.03.03
Thanks, man. It's only your music that is getting me through this difficult time.

Reuters has just reported huge explosions and fireballs towards Basra, and the sound of US heavy bombers...

And the FBI are hunting a Saudi-born pilot with family in Florida.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:52 / 21.03.03
FIRST ALLIED CASUALTIES--although the deaths are accidental...

Chinook helicopter crashes in Kuwait: 12 US and 4 Brits killed.
 
 
Baz Auckland
03:31 / 21.03.03
Bloody hell. Americans are claiming they got Saddam last night. It may just be an effort to get the markets back up.

CNN is showing live feed from a tank, while talking to the wife of the tank commander. Very very creepy. AND THEY'RE FUCKING MAKING JOKES AND USING LINES LIKE 'do you know what my favourite bit has been?'

AAAAAAHHHHH
 
 
bjacques
05:25 / 21.03.03
You think that's bad? A guy from my neighborhood when I was growing up became a fighter pilot in GW1. When interviewed about shooting down Iraqi jets, he said it was "like stomping roaches."
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:25 / 21.03.03
According to Radio 4 news, there were two other helicopter crashes too, but no more fatalities.
 
 
sleazenation
08:15 / 21.03.03
Jack - according to the more recent reports the casualties in the helicopter 8 british and four American. report here

Also...
American marines are reported to have raised the American flag over the port of Im kaza (SP! i'm listening to this on the radio). I realize this is a combat situation and raising a flag is a good way of visually demonstrating that a town is no longer hostile, but its a terrible PR own-goal to be seen claiming land in a country where you have 'no territorial ambitions'. Good pr is probably the last thing on your mind when the bullets are flying tho
 
 
sleazenation
08:35 / 21.03.03
from the bbc website
apparently the port in my previous post is spelt Umm Qasr


New port of Umm Qasr, Iraq :: Adam Mynott :: 1025GMT

US Marines have raised the United States flag above the gates of the new port in Umm Qasr.

This is a symbolic gesture but doesn't signify that the new port of Umm Qasr has been secured.

US Marines are continuing to carry out a sweep with soldiers on all four corners of the port.

At the moment, the main entrance is clear as indeed is a mosque close to the entrance of the new port.

But other areas of the large complex remain unsecured by US forces.

The new port in Umm Qasr moves about 3500 tonnes of goods a day. It is a vital part of the oil for food programme which has been run by Iraq and the UN and various others since 1991.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:50 / 21.03.03
Report on BBC's Today that Turkish troops have moved into Kurdish held areas in Iraq, raising fears of possible conflict with 'extremist seperatist forces'. The US made a public statement before the start of the conflict to the effect that troops not part of the Coalition invasion should not cross the border.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:39 / 21.03.03
Good pr is probably the last thing on your mind when the bullets are flying tho

If you have time to raise a flag you have time to think about the wisdom of raising a flag. What happened to:

We go to liberate not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their country.

"We are entering Iraq to free a people. The only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own. Show respect for them
?
 
 
bjacques
10:04 / 21.03.03
Extremist separatists forces means anybody smart enough not to trust the Turks who, when the US cautioned them about entering Iraq, turned right around, yeah?

They could have at least posted an Iraq flag next to the US one. But this administration isn't known for subtlety in PR or diplomacy.
 
 
angel
12:10 / 21.03.03
On a slightly lighter note I just came across this in one of the War Diaries that the BBC correspondents are compiling:

"We came across some camels as we crossed the desert and an old shell from the last Gulf war.

We've stopped now to allow them to do some shelling."

Damn that nasty man Dub'ya he's even got the camels compromised!
 
 
Jack Fear
14:12 / 21.03.03
Why are the lights on in Baghdad?
...[T]he city is now being bombarded from the air, and yet street lights and building lights glisten. Traditionally, cities being bombed turn off all their lights. In World War II, air-raid wardens walked the streets of London, pounding on the doors of anyone with a light visible...Yet Baghdad tonight is alight.
Maybe nobody's running the show; early indicators are that Iraqi leadership is already collapsing. Or maybe this is devilishly clever. Pilots using satellite-guided smart bombs don't care if a city is lighted or dark... But when pilots are looking through night-vision goggles, as U.S. attack pilots sometimes do, they prefer as little ambient light as possible. Night-vision goggles work best in near darkness. Regular lights fritz them out...


Gregg Easterbrook is keeping a blog at The New Republic Online, looking at tactics and conduct of the war. Interesting reading for military-porn freaks and concerned citizens alike.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:41 / 21.03.03
Thoughts on why the big balloon has still not gone up: it's a US head-fake, and the allies are waiting to see if Saddam blinks...

Psyche and Awe in Baghdad

[T]he goal of stabilizing Iraq, in light of the deep political divisions the war has ignited between the U.S. and traditional allies and the unprecedented hostility it has provoked even among relatively moderate quarters in the Arab world, necessitate that the U.S. achieve its goal very quickly, and with minimal civilian loss of life. ... The "shock-and-awe" idea reflects the thinking in Washington that, in the best-case scenario, this can be achieved not by physically destroying most of Iraq's fighting capability, but by intimidating it into surrender.

.... Saddam's strategy may be to try and draw the coalition forces into a bloody battle for Baghdad, in the belief that they may balk at the military and civilian casualties that could involve. In order to get there, however, Saddam has to make clear that his regime has survived the initial onslaught, and is offering resistance. And if part of the U.S. game plan is to physically eliminate Saddam as soon as he pops into ... it may become difficult for the Iraqi leader to continue making TV appearances of his own. And that will allow Messrs. Bush and Rumsfeld to own the Iraqi airwaves, and intensify the psychological offensive.


More in link.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:23 / 21.03.03
Just popped into the offy on my way home- Tv (BBC1, according to the guy behind the counter) showing much fire and explosion, with "LIVE" in the bottom left and "Baghdad" in the bottom right. Came home to find that our TV's not working.
What's the latest?
 
 
Jack Fear
15:23 / 21.03.03
So much for that: B52s are leaving England, loaded to the rafters with Shock and Awe. CNN is saying (though it's unclear if there's Pentagon confirmation) that this is where the shit starts getting heavy.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:43 / 21.03.03
Boom.

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:10 / 21.03.03
James Rubin, senior adviser to the former secretary of state, Madeleine Albright in the Clinton Whitehouse, just said "resistance is futile" on live TV (the Beeb). It just slipped out, and no one batted an eye.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:14 / 21.03.03
Gigaboom.

 
 
Ganesh
16:26 / 21.03.03
Fuck.
 
  

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