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New X-Men #139

 
  

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Mike-O
04:52 / 20.04.03
I think your perspective on Logan is definetly a correct one, but I wonder if given the way Jean's personality is evolving, even from their encounter in NXM #117 to now, she'd be willing to persue something with Logan should her and Scott part ways... Logan is deeply affectionate towards her, and it just seems to me that her concept of a relationship has lost all notions of passion... which to compare that to what she claimed to feel was missing between her and Scott, may infact just be a misconception. Perhaps it is her who has lost the capacity for passion, given that Scott sought passion ot with Emma, as much as he tried to deny it. Is it possible Jean unconciously sees passion/romance as a weakness, as much as she sees any emotionally driven response as weakness? Such a theory is certainly in keeping with her newly evolving "Phoenix" persona.

I'm open to your interpretations, of course. And there's a good chance I may have this all wrong, but to me Scott feels like the true victim in their relationship, if one is to be had. After all, even AFTER Emma hurt Jean (if that is even the right way to put how her involvement with Scott effected Jean), Logan DID still understand her actions and accept her to help her heal. Jean simply stormed off without so much as listening to her husband or Emma's explaination/apology/confession.
 
 
perceval
06:28 / 20.04.03

Well, she knows everything there is to know about Emma, now.

As for Jean moving farther into her Phoenix persona, it's all ABOUT passion. Passion incarnate, pretty much. One of my favorite descriptions of Jean that Claremont wrote, from Wolverine 125 (1998)...

"If anything, the woman is more beautiful than the fiery celestial raptor that is the physical manifestation of her power. And far more terrible. She is an archangel made flesh, the incarnation of a passion that is as glorious as it is fearful. She is the fire that ignited the first spark of creation. She is the fire that ultimately will consume it."

Maybe Emma's just less pressure for Scott

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ciarconn
13:53 / 20.04.03
yeah, but the Phoenix is a cosmic entity, far beyond the scope of humans/mutants and even of "standard" gods. Can a cosmic being
conceive and understand what happens in the mind of a little human? Can the Phoenix understand the little "dirty" desires of Cyclops, his insecurities, his human needs? Jean is loosing her humanity, she has always strived (striven? sorry) for perfection as Xavier's star pupil. Cyclops has always been the imperfect one. I would even venture to think that his inability to control his optic blasts has a psychosomatic origin (much like Rogue's problem). That Cyke uses his visor as a metaphor of his "wall" against his world, and his optic ray as his wrath against his parents, and now against his wife.
Anyway, as Jean has manifested the Phoenix (before and now), it has been a product of anger and wrath, more than of love and passion. Perhaps Jean has to learn to clean herself of the wrath, to see the cosmic love in the Phoenix.
 
 
perceval
06:13 / 21.04.03

It was all cosmic love, at first. It's only wrathful when she's angry about something. She loves greatly and intensely, and when she's pissed off, she's INTENSELY pissed off. If it's possible to be intensely mellow, she'll be that in mellow moods.

Anyway, I doubt Emma is dead, given that she has a book coming up. Maybe the real murder's next issue...

Jean: It's like this... My power is cutting through all the BS that has accumulated over the last few years. I started with myself, of course... It all made perfect sense until that business with Excalibur...

Hank: But, what about those three wizards... Um... ?

Jean: (smiles) What three wizards?

Hank: I don't know... I can't remember...

Jean: Don't worry about it. Wasn't worth remembering. Trust me.

Hank: But, it may have been important...

Jean: Really? Let's ask. (grabs random X-Fan) Hello. What's your opinion of Feron?

Random X-fan: Who?

Jean: (to Hank) See?

Hank: Point taken. Oh, we have a visitor. It's Magma.

Jean: If it isn't my favorite Nova Roman... Hi Amara. How are you?

Amanda: What? No, no, my name is Amanda. And I'm not Nova Roman, I'm British.

Jean: Oh, really? (starts firing up)

Hank: Jean, what are you doing?

Amanda: Bloody hell... AHHHHH!!!! Oh... Wow...

Jean: As I was saying... Hi Amara. How are you?

Amara: Feeling like myself for the first time in years. Thanks.

Jean: It's what I'm here for. Now, how to get our ACTUAL Brit girl back... Fortunately, that whole mess left me an opening... Owwww...

Hank: Jean, what is it?

Jean: My BS detector is going off the scale... BS on a HUGE scale has entered the School grounds... It's getting closer.... It's HERE!!!

Hank: Hey, Remy and Rogue are paying us a visit.

Remy: Angst!

Rogue: Whine!

Remy: Angst!

Rogue: Whine!

Remy: Angst!

Jean: Arrrgh!!! Enough! I can't take any more of this!!! (fires up, cleanses Rogue and Remy)

Remy: Hey... Remy's angst... It's gone!

Rogue: And... I don't feel like whining about it!

Hank: Hmm.. I can't argue with the results. But, is this ethical?

Jean: What do you mean?

Hank: This ridding mutantkind of it's BS and needless contradictory convoluted baggage... I understand how it's neccessary, but... Well, take Emma, for example. I could have sworn there was someone very familiar to me who was involved in her past... But, I can't place it...

Sugar Man: (out of nowhere) That's becuase the mind witch has removed it from your memories!!! Your counterpart from MY universe... The BLACK BEAST!!!

Jean: My God! Modok lives!!!

Sugar Man: I am NOT Modok! I am...

Jean: Yeah, yeah, I know... The Sugar Daddy, or something like that...

Sugar Man: That's the Sugar Man! And I will not allow you to remove all traces of people from my timeline who have crossed over into yours! I will...

Jean: Look... If I can't have my son from there back, I'm not putting up with any of YOU lamers! Do you know how much things have been mucked up between you and the Naughty Beast?

Sugar Man: That's the BLACK Beast!!!

Hank: Wasn't he grey? And then blue?

Jean: Yeah, he was... But it doesn't really matter... (fires up)

Hank: Jean, what are you going to do?

Sugar Man gets molecularly disassembled.

Hank: Jean! You just MURDERED the Sugar Man in cold blood!!!

Jean: What Sugar Man?

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penitentvandal
12:24 / 21.04.03
Er...Just say no, kids.

And am I the only one here who actually hates Jean after reading this issue? I'm talking about actual pure hatred of a fictional character on a deep emotional level...The sort of thing I've not felt since I got pissed off at that bloke in Catcher in the Rye who punches Holden in the stomach, when I was much younger...

As far as I'm concerned, all Jean did in this issue was deliberately, maliciously fuck up Emma's mind. All her rationalisations about the Phoenix force burning away bullshit are just that: rationalisations. If the Phoenix Force does burn away illusion, why hasn't she allowed it to burn away her illusions about her marriage to Scott? If her function as the Phoenix is to rid mutants of their internal lies and contradictions, why does she turn her powers only on the woman who's been having an affair with her husband, rather than Charles 'Stay perfectly still while I reprogram your mind' Xavier, or Xorn, or Wolverine who, as someone else here pointed out, could really use the chance to work through his psychological problems?

Think about Emma's lines - 'Your pacifist posturing hides a playground bully, Jean Grey!' One of the main themes of this collection has been the tension between the pacifist, utopian dreams of the Xavier institute and the real-world tensions and ethical problems it encounters. Think about the number of times Xavier has reprogrammed people, solving their problems without violence, true, but manipulating their minds. This is going to be explored to the highest degree with Jean. It's about Jean telling people what to do, and putting them through horrible ordeals for their own good, because Phoenix knows best...And the fact that she only seems to do this when she's angry isn't important.

And look at Jean's replies to Emma when Emma begs her to stop, words to the effect of 'I'm not doing this, it's you.' Or in other words, Emma brought this on herself. She wanted it. Jean knows what she really wants...Etc. I'd like Emma to be alive, but my suspicion is that the 'murder' is Emma's suicide, after being put through a psychic ordeal she couldn't handle by Jean. Look at her reactions when Logan (and isn't it beautiful and fully Grant that it's Logan, the most flawed, non-cosmic mutant in this team of telepaths and cosmic beings with plans for all humanity, who winds up comforting Emma?) talks to her: pure Stockholm syndrome. Emma isn't saying that because she means it: she's saying it because she's scared of Jean. Because she doesn't want Jean to come back and kick her astral body again.

Like I say, I really hate Jean right now, and I draw comfort from the fact that, if this issue is anything to go by, even Scott, Professor X and Xorn are pissed off with her now. Good, says I. Cosmic force or not, she deserves to be shunned. Bitch.

And I am, of course, in deep and huge-o-moungous awe of Morrison, for his ability to make me feel this deep reserve of blackest hate for an entity that only exists as ink on paper. Well done, indeed!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:57 / 21.04.03
(and isn't it beautiful and fully Grant that it's Logan, the most flawed, non-cosmic mutant in this team of telepaths and cosmic beings with plans for all humanity, who winds up comforting Emma?

To be fair, I think Grant was just being true to the classic Chris Claremont version of the character who was always the first person to be there for someone in pain. I think Grant does an excellent job of bringing the characters back to the core of what they originally were, and his portrayal of Logan is very much a reprisal of the old pre-90s Wolverine.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:15 / 21.04.03
OK, how absolutely fucking funny was Xavier's line "Oh dear lord, not the search for Cyclops AGAIN..." !??!?!?!! Brilliant!! And then that wacko 'bad comics of the 90s' page of Scott on the motorcycle, red visor a-blazin'!! Yeee-hawww, giddyap doggies!! Recalling that stupid-ass miniseries in such a sarcastic way was just terrific; Morrison having fun and commenting on all the bad X-Men comics of the past. I loved it.
 
 
Aertho
16:38 / 21.04.03
I suppose I'd hate Jean too, if I was still seeing her from the perspective as having a singular persona. First of all, I love the BS burnout a few posts up ...lol. But it must be said that I HAVE the Excalibur issues in question, and Feron and the three wizards DO NOT "create" the Phoenix. Feron meditates until his astral self contacts the otherworldly "force of life and fire incarnate". It's only the wizards' mythology and language that gives the Phoenix its form and name.

Jean's merely a powerful psi who broke through to access it's power. The first time, the Phoenix amplified her mind's power... allowing her to externalize the Phoenix and grant it a consciousess. Now, Jean's superconscious is bleeding into the vast ocean of the Phoenix's universal resources... When "Phoenix" speaks in black, it's only the soul of [the person who's being spoken to] being echoed back. Jean's not human anymore because her superconsciuous mind isn't in her own head anymore, she's everywhere.

Jean didn't even seem that angry to me in this issue... she just seemed focused.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:50 / 21.04.03
[b]Search for Cyclops: Again!?!?[/b]

right in the middle of all of that.. H I L A R I O U S!!!

and that trenchcoat... what? did he raid Jean's closet before he took off???
 
 
perceval
21:06 / 21.04.03


What's that make Emma, then? Jean reacts in a way she doesn't normally do in a moment of blind rage. Emma, meanwhile, casually violates people ALL THE TIME, for either fun and games, or to get something she wants...

"I propose we spend today's telepathy period hacking into the minds of some of our favorite screen idols. A gold star to the first girl who discovers the awful truth about Tom and Nicole.."



"You and I could unplug their central nervous systems in an instant if we concentrated hard enough."

"Then they'd have a reason to yell."



"Emma...!"

"I pushed their bliss buttons, Jean. They'll wake up utterly ashamed of themselves. Don't say another word."



"And you, madame, are a witless bigot with brightly glowing massochistic tendencies!"

"I am a witless bigot, I see that now..."



"I actually know for sure that you've never had any kind of physical relationship with another man. I even know you made hoax phonecalls to superheroes' headquarters when you were younger"



"It's hard enough keeping tabs on everyone without you distracting me. I can't believe what some mutants are up to right now in the privacy of their own homes."



"I'm quite drunk on the sensation of ten times the prying power."


Again, I'm not justifying Jean's very Emma-like behavior, but at least she has to be pushed and pushed to react that way. Can you say that, when you're seeing red, you never, ever, say or do anything that you wouldn't when you're calm, cool, and collected? Are you saying that if Jean did this all the time, for fun and for gain, the way Emma does, it would have been OK? Or is it witty, scathing, remarks while doing it that makes it fine for Emma to regularly do this?

Emma figured she could break Jean down, psychologically. She thought she had Jean's number. Notice her expressions and attitude until she realizes she's bitten off more than she can chew. She really seemed to think the whole Phoenix thing was just a sexual fetish. She should have read more Jung and not stuck exclusively with Freud. Of course, when it's Emma's own mind being violated, all HER secrets being pried into, HER personal demons being used as a weapon, it's suddenly "You have no right!" She even still misreads her opponent by accusing her of having no feelings, which brings on that very last completely emotional response, and just when Jean was calming down, somewhat. Hmm, that accusation of lacking emotions sounds familiar. Where have I seen that? Oh yeah...

"We're saying Sophie's dead because she believed all the rubbish you talk about being superior. You're all shiny surface with nothing underneath. You have no feeling and no heart. Just nasty jokes and cleverness. People like you are a danger to imprssionable children, Miss Forst. Goodbye."

"No, that's not true... I love children. Teaching is my life!"

"If you love them so much, why do you let them die all the time, you silly old woman?"

"Old?"

Emma taught the Cuckoos well. She made them in her own image. She's created four very bitter, scarred, manipulitive, young women. They couldn't break past Emma's walls, so they made sure someone that could would do it.

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perceval
23:37 / 21.04.03

Jean continues her strikes on bad 90s retcons...

Betsy: I don't remember a Sugar Man...

Hank: Betsy! You're alive! And you're British?!!

Betsy: Yes. Interesting development...

Jean: I eliminated that whole body switch thing...

Betsy: Thank GOD...

Jean: So, we were back to her Asian appearance being the result of the Hand's magics. Break the spell, and voila!

Betsy: Do I keep the ninja skills?

Jean: Of course! But now they're actually fighting skills rather than posing.

Betsy: Good, some of those poses were VERY uncomfortable... So, when do I meet the new students?

Hank: When you put some clothes on. Um, Jean, why is she naked?

Jean: Y'know, maintaining tradition...

Betsy: But, Emma's over there, naked...

Jean: Well... I sort of broke the armor she kept around herself to keep from really feeling anything, so she's taking this bared soul thing literally... Or, maybe she's just waiting for my husband to return.

Betsy: What?!! How DARE she?!!!

Hank: Well, Betsy, it's not like you weren't doing the same thing...

Betsy: Exactly!!! Trying to seduce Scott into infidelity is MY job!

Emma: Is that SO?!!! Well, you lost your bloody priviledges when you LEFT!

Betsy: "Bloody..."? You didn't say that... TELL me you did not just SAY that!!!

Emma: Yes, I did, you TWAT!!!

Betsy: Right. That's it...

Hank: Didn't we just do this?

Jean shrugs, eats popcorn, and takes a seat

Hank: Where'd the popcorn come from?!!!

E
 
 
The Falcon
00:08 / 22.04.03
I like your posts, perceval. Only because I'm enough of a geek to get the majority of them.

That being said, I like the analytical stuff, too. Supposition: Is Jean's Phoenix effect, when internalised via telepathy, inducing a viral mummudrai effect? Emma's bad qualities coming to bite her? It'd certainly be in keeping with the 'inoculation' agenda in The Filth.

I thought her line about "this awful place and these ugly, repressed people" was both perceptive and revealing. I like the parallel you drew between the affair and the self-confrontation both being 'in the mind' also.

As to the murder, I'm thinking a fiendishly complex suicide. Fo' sho'.
 
 
The Great Jor of Babylon
03:33 / 22.04.03
Best argument yet perceval, way to silence all those Emma-lovers. Heehee.
 
 
perceval
04:51 / 22.04.03

Oh, I love Emma. She's one of my favorite characters in the X-books. I just think she brought this whole mess with Jean onto herself.

And yeah, I think it's interesting that Emma got hit with all her own worst qualities. Don't know how that would work on others.

What I think Jean's doing (unless she actually IS just getting rid of the baggage that's accumulated and holding everyone down) is a kind of initiation, tailor made for whoever's being initiated. You face your shadow, and come out of it a stronger, more enlightened, more evolved, person. The circumstances weren't the best, given that it was Emma provoking a very angry Jean into pulling her into her flames. Emma may have just pushed Jean into godhood. From the way Chuck was talking to Scott in the hallway, Jean was undergoing a major transformation as they were speaking.

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perceval
04:55 / 22.04.03

Anyway, one more to finish the scene, since I've taken it this far...

Jean strikes again at bad 90s stories, but how will Chuck respond?

Chuck: (walking in) Oh Jean, what are you up to, now? While I'm
pleased to see Betsy alive and well, why are she and Emma having a
naked psychic catfight? In chocolate pudding?

Erik: You surprise me, Charles. I would never have expected to see
your X-Men indulging in such things. Pass the popcorn.

Chuck: I didn't... (double take) Erik?!!! But... HOW?!!!
And... Why are you stting here, eating popcorn, and watching
this... display?!!

Jean: Ah... Well, you know how he'd hadn't acted like himself for
the last few years? Well, back during that Magneto War garbage,
this friend of yours and Erik's came up with this idea on Usenet
that neither of them were the real Magneto, that he was drunk on a
beach somewhere. Made more sense to me than what we saw, so...

Erik: (holds up martini) Cheers.

Chuck: So... Instad of a raving psychotic Magneto, I have to deal
with a DRUNK Magneto. Thanks a LOT, Jean.

Erik: Charles, please... I can hold my liquor.

Chuck: Sure, you can. You've NEVER been able to hold your liquor,
just as you've never been able to manage a team, or orginization.

Erik: Is that SO!!! Very well then, Charles...

Jean: Um, GUYS!!! Wait 'til Betsy and Emma are finished.

Hank: Jean?!!!

Jean: C'mon, you get the naked babes fighting... Fair's fair...

E
 
 
penitentvandal
09:08 / 22.04.03
A drunk Magneto. Genius.

As to Or is it witty, scathing, remarks while doing it that makes it fine for Emma to regularly do this?, well, of course.

Seriously, tho', what gets me is all this crap about Jean fucking up Emma's mind because it's the right thing to do. To me, it just seemed like a horrible, anger-driven assault rather than some kind of initiation. And if it was an initiation, it looks like it pretty much sucked, doesn't it? No dane McGowan waking up smiling after seeing the blank badge here - no Boy saying 'hiya' to Barbelith. Instead we get a scared, psychologically-traumatised Emma, who apparently commits suicide because she's unable to face what she's learned.

Granted, Jean's given Emma the skinny on who she 'really' 'is', but leaving out the quote marks. Jean's told Emma that's all she is, she hasn't given her anywhere to move to, she hasn't shown her the potential she has. She's just told Emma she's an evil lying bitch and that's all she'll ever be.

This wasn't an initiation, this was character assassination. In a very literal sense.

Was it a totally Emma thing to do? Yes, sort of. But Emma's never taken it that far. She either spies on people or she incapacitates them in a fairly direct but nice way (pushing peoples' 'bliss buttons' as a psychic defence technique? Hell yeah!). Emma, at least in Grant's version of her, hasn't ever completely destroyed someone the way Jean does this issue. Whether that's because she wouldn't or just couldn't is up for debate.

As to Chesed's point, I disagree. I think at the minute the Phoenix is still being filtered entirely too much through Jean's human consciousness, which is why her first use of it is to break Emma. Remember that she eventually winds up becoming a goddess, according to Grant - to me that means she has to let her motivation for using the Phoenix go beyond petty human concerns and disinfect everything in a more neutral, less emotionally-driven fashion.

Which could actually, given the unhealthy karma of a lot of the X-Men, be scarier than the current Jean...
 
 
A
08:37 / 23.04.03
I only just picked this issue up today (I really should start geting my arse to the comic store earlier, so i'm not always coming in on these conversations so late), and I'd have to say that it's probably my favourite issue of NewXMen so far. I think that the way the Morrison has handled the characters, their emotions and their interactions, and the way Jiminez has illustrated them is just fucking fantastic.

Personally, I found Scott, Jean and Emma to all be really sympathetic characters in this issue. There are no "good guys" or "bad guys" here. Just people doing fucked-up things because they are human, and that's what humans do. Emma's character, particularly, was fleshed out so much in this issue. The revelation that she was in love with Scott was a surprise, but made perfect sense.

It's been my theory since the beginning of Grant's run on NewXMen that rather than Scott and Jean's relationship being headed for doom, they're instead being raked over the coals, but will ultimately wind up together, better than ever. This issue only strengthens my conviction. They might be fucked-up, but they're obviously nuts about each other.

As far as Jean and the Phoenix force goes, it seems to me that, at the moment, Jean is letting the Phoenix force direct here, when it should be the other way around. Rather than this ending with a cataclysmic battle between Xorn and the Phoenix, I think that this might well end with a battle between the Phoenix force and Jean's humanity. I think that Jean can and will control and contain the Phoenix force, kind of in the same way that...

(INVISIBLES SPOILER)
...Jack "eats" the Archons at the end of the Invisibles.
(/INVISIBLES SPOILER)

I think that Scott and Jean's love for each other may well have a lot to do with this.

As for Emma's apparent death, I thought that, as many people here have already suggested, it may have been a case of Xorn healing her by shattering her diamond skin and removing her lack of empathy, which, ultimately, is a weakness, rather than a strength. Exactly what this would mean for Emma, both mentally and physically, will be interesting to see, if this is indeed what happened.

If it was actually a murder, however (and I think a suicide seems unlikely and rather dull in this instance), I think that the prime suspects, to my mind, are the Cuckoos. They are young and still emotionally immature, and blame Emma, their former role-model, for the death of their sister. It was them who alerted Jean to what was happening between Emma and Scott, and they did this to punish Emma.

Xorn, however, seems to be just about the least likely candidate of anyone. It just seems completely out of character, both for Xorn and Morrison, for him to be a "wolf in sheep's clothing" type. Morrison doesn't generally do cartoonish supervillain types whose only motivation is that they are "evil" (I don't think Cassandra Nova is as simple a character as that), and that's what Xorn would seem to be if he was responsible. I'm sure that there are much more interesting things in store for Xorn than that.

Whoever was responsible for Emma's murder (assuming that it was a murder), it's going to be a lot more interesting than asimple case of a baddie killing a superhero.
 
 
Mike-O
09:36 / 23.04.03
Mmmm... don't be so sure. I wouldn't suggest that Xorn is as black and white as a "wolf in sheeps clothing", but Xorn has lived outside of normal society for many years and his ideas of normalcy differ as such from the X-Men in many ways. Case in point being his killing of the U-Men... not neccesarily wrong, but definetly a very different reaction than the other X-Men probably would have taken, or at least hidden from each other. If Xorn has killed Emma, I suspect it was not his direct intention. To be honest, though, I don't suspect Emma is dead at all but regardless I have a feeling Xorn was involved at some level such as the suggested "healing" theory. Time will tell.
 
 
ciarconn
13:28 / 23.04.03
Xorn is a Buda, a bodisatva. He follows a very different set of ethic direcives. He understands Karma, for starters, and should be able to see it through.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:50 / 29.04.03
Well, assuming that there is any of Jean Grey-Summers left inside Phoenix, I see her actions in this issue as something of a "it's not my fault that Scott and Emma have been having this none too subtle affair", "it's not my fault that I've chosen to spend this last year in a different country rather than trying to work with my husband to solve our problems." She uses the power of the Phoenix to burn through Emma's psychological problems, she shuts out her husband again, literally. Lets not forget, Emma has to work on him for about a year before he starts doing anything with her, and it's only when she changes her method of operating from just trying to seduce him (as in the first year) to genuinelly trying to help him deal with his problems (as in the skydiving thing in year two) AND seduce him that he responds.

It was the human aspect of the Phoenix that turned it Dark and led to the problems the first time round. Jean does not have a perfect perspective yet.

On the other hand, I'm really not liking Phil's work on X-Men. Although he's extremely talented and I liked his Invisibles stuff it just seems... off somehow.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:11 / 29.04.03
You are wrong and you will be made to wear the special hat.

139 was fabufuckinlous. I loved it. I love the whole fucking idea and tone of 'Murder at the Mansion'.

Highlights so far:

Jean igniting Scott's psi-form

Emma's continued ability to pull off really plausible, persuasive arguments even at her most fucked. She changes tack at just the right time every time

Jean's ability to ignore same and keep on burning and being self righteous

'I promise I won't throw big bolts of psychic electricity at you this time' (I just love superfights w/out energy-fucking-blasts)

The whole flashback sequence. Like old Claremont X-recapping, but not boring, inelegant and, well...pointless.

Emma was a club dancer! Of course! I used to know a dancer at Stringfellows who should be well on her way to world domination round about now. Go Kelly! (You mad, mad woman...)

'That old tart Paris Seville...' Fuck knows who Ms. Seville is, but I love the word 'tart'.

And (because I can't be bothered to witter on and on about ALL the good shit) the bit that really reminded me of The Invisibles:

'Oh....excuse me, Scott... I thought this was real, but it's just a memory. I have to go now...'

I miss that kind of shit. MORE!
 
 
vajramukti
17:04 / 29.04.03

just some thoughts, however disjointed...

- I think the crux of the scott/jean dilemma is the whole 'super hero' thing. jean says to scott when he charges into the rescue: ' you're my favorite super-hero'. while scott replies: ' i love you too ' this strongly implies that jean's way of expressing love, and indeed, the things she loves most about scott, are his titanic superheroic qualities.

meanwhile, scott feels old, beaten, disillusioned about having to live up to that example. there is the implication that jean 'despises him for his weakness '. the phoenix is all about the power of the highest self, and scott is wallowing in pathetic human weakness. jean obviously hates that.

emma allows scott to be just a man. she isn't even close to being a superhero. she gives him an excuse to be 'bad', when all his life lessons tell him to be the ultimate good guy.

- whih sort of dovetails into the critique of xavier's position. his argument is essentially for a kind of assimilationist placation of the human mentality. but in actual fact, the only real solution is to transcend the humans mentality as it exists, not to wallow in it's weaknesses, the way scott does. you don't overcome prejudice by cowtowing to the prejuduced mentality. characters like xorn, jean, and phantomex prefigure a actual shift in the consciousness of mutantkind, while xavier uses the powers to preach an variation on the same human politics. appease the oppressor. even if he's selling a slightly slicker version of the image, he's still preaching appeasement.

- in the very first issue, we have the shift away from superhero costumes, because they imply shame, but in a way, they were a method of presenting a higher set of values, of presenting the higher possible self to the general population, in a way they could understand. the problem was that the secret identiity did imply shame, it implied that the x-men weren't really prepared to walk the walk in full glory. i think that's the crux of grant's run. to show that you can transcend both 'superheroes' and 'human beings' in a more inclusive whole that represses nothing. we can all mutate into our highest selves. we can all be superheroes, and do it proudly.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:19 / 29.04.03
Nice post vajramukti...
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:00 / 29.04.03
Wow, that was a great post.

And since it's going to be impossible for me to follow that up with something good, I'll just say, the Phoenix would swallow Xorn's tiny star in a heart beat. So I don't think he's going to be much of a threat to her... that is, of course, if we're still playing with the showdown idea.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:37 / 30.04.03
Yes, that was a nice post.

I'm not sure the King Lear references stretch a lot further than Daddy dearest plonking the whole shebang on his youngest's doorstep. But then my Shakespeare head's old, lazy and forgetful. Oh, and the fact that he has 3 daughters. Suppose it underlines the royalty thing.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:39 / 30.04.03
Aaah, and she rejects his love and generosity, too.

Yep, it's definitely there.
 
  

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