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Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:00 / 19.01.03
Boooored now...
 
 
innercircle
23:09 / 19.01.03
=@


This is the symbol of the struggle it represents the archetypal net democratic individual equality


We are by now all to familiar with the images taken at protest gatherings. The black helmeted, bullet proof jacketed, chain mail glove bearing batons down upon defenceless humans with a democratic right of assembly cowering under the rain of blows.

The caphonay the anarchy the confusion with both sides being forced to adopt a simple physical posture. The fear of the people with something to say mixed with the excitement of those sworn to follow the public justice as they tussle and wound each other in a bizarre group of David vs. goliath.

We know this

But how do we reconcile this with our freedom to express our views. It is not possible. Surely a bunch of concerned, for the most part non violent citizens can demonstrate their viewpoints and be heard by the governments they elected? If not why not. When did we lose our way , our right to group up and let the rulers of the country know that there are differing arguments and they have a right to be feared without the intimidation and harassment and violence that is confronted this large group of people with something to say.

This is a democratic right a basic freedom. When a group gathers with something to say to the authorities it is not be cause they are lazy of want to create trouble, they believe enough to bring their concerns to the public. They have a right and are more motivated by the issue to turn off the TV, put down the pint, and spend some time trying to illustrate the view that they believe needs telling.

How is that wrong, how is it justifiable that they be meet with these cyber police these brothers of the ones they attack that we inducted with a mission to control crime, not speech.

And so it has become our inability to speak out, our apathy to begin with, the complexity the lack of time, the serving of the Capitalistas! When shall we complain about the lack of pensions the race to war the environmental degradation the profiteering of the PFI initiative. Seemingly boring topics with getting out in the streets for? DO you breath, do you have a pension, a steady job, paid your taxes, voted you r votes and still you get you future riddled with rubber bullets.

Rise up Prolls what is the deal? Are we just going to let this shit fly. No control, desperately exploited by corporations and employed by the very same self serving corporations. Just because you exist inside of one should you fear to speak out regarding investment in a terrorist regime, regarding increased charity donations instead of pure cash for the shareholders.

I bet you would oh spineless ones content with the ‘I am alright jack’ philophasy doesn’t leave room for starving Africans and polluted Asians. We read about it but it doesn’t enter our heads that those people are like us, people. Brothers ,sisters cousins friends, all struggling for clean water, food and shelter form displacement, against aids corruption and exploitation often though corporate nessicity.

We as humans accept that this can happen to others. We fought for rights in our respective countries we participate in the global economy why is it the disparity in rights for the poor. Surely they should be given a part of our religious profits.

Global Corporation Tax

A Global Corporation Tax. Any company owing offices in other countries pays proportionally for the access to global markets. Thus every large company most able to afford it would be able to build it into the profit margins , shareholders feel like they are doing their bit as being multinational corporations they are forced to pay 1% maybe 3% of profits before distribution to the shareholder to Global Tax as a fully committed member of the world stage. It is needed proof of commitment to a true global viewpoint. So the largest would pay the most as they controlled most of the outcome. It would have the perfect spyphining off the ‘good’ element in the profit motive for humanitarian causes. It would contribute to utopia, where universal suffrage was apparent, global human socio economic rights are respected. Basic services that any society that had billions of dollars of profit can well afford. If it didn’t it would be considered Monetarist the most degrading of ism being non caring about those who have much much much lees than you do. Fuck Racism fuck religious adversity, fuck hankering about bulshit and let’s pull together and build a better world

Along with this basic right to life which we so often hear, is food water shelter medicine education otherwise what kind of life can that person be expected to have. Imagine yourself as a famished African scratching you way through corruption war exploitation immigration restraints torture prison, environmental poisoning genocide but you can still get a coke.

We in the Overdeveloped countries owe the Underdeveloped countries a right to participate. There may be many brilliant men and women able to contribute to a brighter future for all among those poor people. Surely as humans we are benevolent to put away our swords and our atom bombs and concentrate on the enoroumos potential man has to do good. Rather than dominate form 5000 miles away at 50ooo ft with cluster bombs that explodes for days to come but what if we brought democracy human rights, secured a best fit program of industrial agricultural financial administrative manufacturing . Gave them the net with which to participate in the global democracy and cast their fish in with the others, for the global good.

The defence budgets could be slashed creating surpluses of expertise perhaps devoted to creation rather than destruction. The resources of the world shared out with the most receiving the most rather than the least controlling the most in the form of billionaires and CEOs a d politicians and kings and dictators and wealthy stockpiles of surplus value with private numbered Swiss bank accounts , with yachts and cars and gluttony , the sporting, poppy useless celebrities cast that we venerate as new deities, should all be made to contribute to the greater glory, a more equal earth.

The beginning of the counter struggle will involve highlighting..

This is the production of ‘dirt’ of the top CEOs’ the heads of state performing badly, the corruption servants, and expose them publicly, forcing them to pay for their crimes just like any other criminal and ensure that the rest are concerned enough for themselves to be concerned enough for the company to be concerned enough for the world. These fat cats cannot earn so much more than others. We should have a maximum wage rather than a minimum. With this extra surplus value around in the market place it is again funnelled of to help more people achieve a basic standard of life a precondition of birth right.
 
 
Rev. Wright
23:20 / 19.01.03
Here(see forum) they appear to refer to you, Innercircle, as Donny and Gollum. Is that a troll name?
 
 
mixmage
06:27 / 20.01.03
Ever heard the term "preaching to the choir"?

Ever heard of the tradition known as "Lurking"? - I thought I was a little quick to post, only having lurked for a couple of months beforehand. Know Thy Board. Big mistake not moderating your "fuck up" for deletion. Disrespectful N00Bz!

Ever read Maslow or Fuller? Perhaps you would understand where those you plagiarise got their info, maybe even link us to them.

Thanks to Lucid Lurid and Fearless Jack. Your eloquence saves me from spitting venom. I've only got the one suit, see? I stand by my posts, no matter how drunk I was at the time.

If you know this board, you'll know what I look like and where to find me. That's my commitment to 'Lith. They could send Pirates at the drop of a bandanna!

To preach resistance in the voice of the Borg just cracks me up. I'd Shag 7 of 9, but you are teetering on a precarious precipice.

(BTW, I opted to marry Barbelith)

I'm a Bruce Bannarchist, but I'm holding the McGowan just a little while longer. Please. Embrace reform. or refrom. and spelling.
 
 
mixmage
06:33 / 20.01.03
Oh... and: Yes, No, No, No, No, not on my watch.

Do you remember which questions you asked?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:21 / 20.01.03
Aaargh.

Oh, and puh-leeeeeze.

etc.
 
 
Ganesh
11:10 / 20.01.03
Given that this thread - and, for that matter, pretty much all of InnerCircle's contributions - seems to fall under the somewhat nebulous catch-all of 'activism', would anyone have any objections to my moving to have them all shifted into Switchboard?
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:19 / 20.01.03
Yes. While I agree that the topics initiated by ic's threads are all activism based, the style of these threads is not one of discussion and many have become attempts to enagage with innercircle rather than the issue of activism. Simply, I think that the Switchboard would be overwhelmed by the addition of numerous manifesto declarations. I think the Conversation can deal better with them, due to the higher traffic.
 
 
Ganesh
11:27 / 20.01.03
True - but the higher traffic in the Conversation also keeps 'em alive in the absence of, as you say, actual discussion. Given that they're all pretty similar in terms of content (hectoring non-engagement, basically), it'd be useful to agree on a suitable 'home' for 'em. If that's to be the Conversation, fine; I'll move the rest here also.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:28 / 20.01.03
Ummm... I would object. I'm bailing 'em out pretty fast!

Seriously, though, this may be activism-related, but it's not debate, or anything approaching it. It's manifestoes, and people expressing their dislike of manifestoes. Then more manifestoes.

It's pointless. I'd move for deletion rather than chucking 'em in Switchboard.

And 'nesh... love ya to bits, but if you even THINK about putting ALL ic's threads in the Switchboard, I will come round and shove shit through your letterbox.

  
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:30 / 20.01.03
Aah... hadn't read your last post. So colour me slightly toned-down. But still...
 
 
Ganesh
11:30 / 20.01.03
Hehehehh, fine. Conversation it is - and, depending how they do here, possible deletion...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:17 / 20.01.03
They're my wife now...
 
 
Linus Dunce
14:21 / 20.01.03
Hehe!

IC should be back here in an hour or so, assuming MacDonald's hasn't sacked him. :-)
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:03 / 20.01.03
Ello Dave?

Dave?
 
 
persona_o
15:58 / 20.01.03
The story of innercircle.

Take one lonely guy with a computer.
Teach him to cut and paste.
Stick him into the interesting and informative forum at GNN
Allow him to post in an unmoderated forum
Teach him to refer to himself as a collective
Allow him to spam an unmoderated forum
The InnerCircle is banned, and all posts accidentally deleted (good riddance, imho)

Take one pissed off lonely guy with a computer.
Teach him how to bypass a ban
Overwhelm GNN with a ridiculous amount of spam
Make GNN drop an unmoderated forum format, simply to deal with one annoying and repeat offender. (still hasn't been done yet btw)

Take one pissed off, lonely, forum-less guy with a computer.
Find him a new forum.

uh oh, it's moderated..

:P
 
 
innercircle
19:17 / 20.01.03
greetings forum dwellers to our regular evening therapy session with

icult, feeding the subconsious with radom suggestions, with the best intentions ic.



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inner circle, have a wank will you?

and I thought I was a self-righteous prat ...
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we did and u still r

iCurt



(Note to self... step away from the thread...)
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ingenious, laugh we did

T__ic__kled



We'll disappoint you every time.
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speak for yourself didstantley related Seasonally Affected Disorder sufferer.

@ic we believe humans are capable of more. It’s the inertia you speak of that we run rings around concentrickly.


icHope





Here(see forum) they appear to refer to you, Innercircle, as Donny and Gollum. Is that a troll name?

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We are so glad you brought this up, we weren’t going to mention it however as Barbelith is not a viral marketing site, we thought it was more appropriate that someone else introduced the topic.

ic/Universal/Interscope/GNN


‘The thing is that the innercircle has been around for a while, kinetically, we were an event horizon, and as we join hands, via Keyboards, across the globe, democratically, we can develop a new co-operative communicative virtual space using our mass to assist in equality and justice.’

Super ic




To the bride of Barbelith you remarkable knowledge of management accounting techniques astounds us. L/Maslow is a structure upon which were tentatively placed the rights of man, in a synthesis attempting to prioritise and rationalize the ‘business of human rights’, allocating resources where needs dictate. If all you saw was what you said then look again. Ya git me?

Ass for your allegations of plagiarism, would you mind showing me exactly where this link has been made in the past in our words?

Do Not Fuck With Us.

Trollic
Given that this thread - and, for that matter, pretty much all of InnerCircle's contributions - seems to fall under the somewhat nebulous catch-all of 'activism', would anyone have any objections to my moving to have them all shifted into Switchboard?


Er…… xcuse us but we decided it stays here aweright. Its not of your modulators business this is our conversation and its popular and its intelligent, of ic that’s why you don’t like it.

Icensor




Seriously, though, this may be activism-related, but it's not debate, or anything approaching it. It's manifestoes, and people expressing their dislike of manifestoes. Then more manifestoes.


Strike Ichariman from the register

ICan




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Last and least the return of the viral marketers, come to blacken the name of the innercircle.

Allow iCut to respond.

Firstly welcome Persona O ( was your application rejected and you still bear the grudge?)

So here we go………..


The story of innercircle. (a better title would be ‘The Story of O’)

Take one lonely guy with a computer.(we don’t so seem lonely here?)

Teach him to cut and paste. (excused for ignorance / sarcasm)

Stick him into the $interesting and informative$ forum at GNN(Universal/Interscope/M&M)

Allow him to post in an unmediated forum(covered in viral marketers )

Teach him to refer to himself as a collective ("a joint identity"; "the collective mind" Princeton Uni definition, sounds pretty good to us)

Allow him to spam an $unmoderated$ forum (is that your definition of spam or our UDHR art19 spam?)

The InnerCircle is banned, and all posts accidentally deleted (good riddance, imho)

(250 posts like the ones proffered above, gee open minded kinda guy huh?)

Take one pissed off lonely guy with a computer.( That’s two now, we are a collective eye told you so)


Teach him how to bypass a ban (TEACH? The innercircle teaches viral marketteers to keep their exploitative techniques off our free minds. BAN. Like you could stop us, we just lost the will to live on that site, it is such a farce. Plus every regular KKK member there knows open where you guys come from.


Overwhelm GNN with a ridiculous amount of spam.

( that site was overwhelmed but it wasn’t with spam, it overloaded on truth. Universal / Interscope / That site /M&M / Water rights / Intellectual property and copyright abuse, not to mention UDHR abuse of the ic.)




Make GNN drop an unmoderated forum format, simply to deal with one annoying and repeat offender. (still hasn't been done yet btw)


Hahahahahahahahahaha the sweet smell of victory clogs our nostrils like mahogany chimney smoke!

Take one pissed off, lonely, ( are we up to four yet) forum-less guy ( jump aboard formless guy, the ic is democratic)with a computer.(several we have)





Find him a new forum. (not Just one dear fellow find us many more please and follow us like a good doggie ems

uh oh, it's moderated..

What you fail to understand is that moderation is a state of mind, clearly beyond your limited averaged vernacular.


We will only say this once to the likes of you, you corperate sucking scumbags ‘go away’

:P….p what?



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Anyway back to the agenda of the day, more thought provoking original pirate material form the innercircles of our minds.






Watch out for a French water company intent on getting control of your public services wherever you are. They don't just look for water. Under their two divisions, Vivendi Environment and Universal, they do transport, waste, telecommunications.

Vivendi own Universal Studios and Universal Music.

That's right, folks, they own the rights to Bob Marley's Music amongst others.

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery...

Robert Zoellick, The Trade Representative for the US, is a former Vivendi Executive. He/they define/s all business as part of the service industry which helps to explain why he is so keen to push forward the General agreement on Trade in Services Agreement (GATS) of the World Trade Organisation under which all services including water, health and education will be opened up to completion everywhere in the world.(Multinational Monitor)

Thus undermining the role of governments in their duty to provide basic services to their constituents and replacing them with profit hungry anarchic multinationals hell bent on promoting the interests of their own managers and shareholders above those of 'customers'/ citizens.

This is not a company to be trusted; and yes, having dealt with Europe, Africa and Asia they're just beginning to take over the USA

Not a particularly democratic form of colonialism, Welcome to Imperialist Corporate Globalisation.

Never mind the bollocks...Here's the new Vivendi thread !!!



Vivendi HQ raided for Messier evidence
By Martin Arnold in Paris
Published: December 12 2002

Source: FT.com

A team of investigators raided Vivendi Universal's headquarters on Thursday in a search for evidence in their inquiry into alleged accounting irregularities by Jean-Marie Messier, the former chief executive of the media and entertainment group.



Vivendi said the legal team arrived on Thursday morning at its head offices on Avenue de Friedland, near the Arc de Triomphe, and those of its telecommunications division Cegetel, near la Défense.

"The group emphasizes that it is a plaintiff claiming damages in these proceedings and that it intends to cooperate fully with the investigations," Vivendi said.

The investigators were also understood to have visited several private addresses in the Paris region, including the home of Mr Messier.

The Paris public prosecutor launched the inquiry in October, appointing two judges to examine whether Vivendi had published "false balance sheets" for 2000 and 2001 and whether it had "issued false or misleading information" on its outlook in 2001 and 2002.

Vivendi is also the subject of separate investigations by the Securities and Exchange Commission, the US attorney's office for the southern district of New York and the stock market regulator in Paris.

Under Mr Messier, the company was heavily criticised for dribbling out information in a way that did little to calm the nerves of investors, already unsettled by the Enron and WorldCom scandals.

Mr Messier was forced to step down in June as the company faced a severe liquidity crisis, sparked by its E19bn debt pile. Its shares have fallen almost 75 per cent since the start of the year.




Inner Circle ‘the story of o’

It started with a kiss…..

I think that Barbelith should have an inner circle notice board. This could be blind to the public but visible to those who are elected to the circle. I am not in favour of elitism, rather I would just like to avoid the ranting of some of the more excruciating limpets. I often feel that I have a serious thread going and suddenly it is run off track by some passing nutter, taking pot shots at me or sidetracking the debate down some blind alley. I am able to respond to them, that is not the problem, its just when you spend most time defending the argument from people who don’t really care, it becomes demoralizing. I truly believe there are people whose intention it is to derail, and also others who are innocent but act in the same way. I want to discuss serious topics with like minded people, whose vision and acumen I respect. There are people like that here, but so much valuable input is lost through personal vendettas and irrelevant crap, that it takes away the very spirit of this site.

The management could select posters who they thought contributed valuable insight to a debate offer them a chance to join the circle and after a while the circle would be self selecting others . Or people could be recommended. It would distil the arguments and create a stronger impact for change. I may not even be selected, but that would be cool too, it would indicate to me I need to try harder.

I believe in free speech of course I just don’t have the time to listen to all of it sometimes and would prefer to cut to the chase.

The site has potential, its just it’s a little furry round the edges. This Inner Circle would solidify the cause.


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Who could say that it would come to this?

icOriginalAntiCopyRIght


adigitalanti
 
 
Ganesh
20:10 / 20.01.03
Mmm. A cursory search for 'innercircle' on the GNN site would seem to indicate that your particular version of 'solidifying the cause' is perhaps not what we a) need, b) want, or c) can be arsed with. We've been here before, several times; it's a boringly well-trodden path. We're perhaps slightly ahead of GNN, however, in that we've already evolved mechanisms to combat it...
 
 
The Monkey
20:25 / 20.01.03
In all seriousness.

You seem to be missing the point that no means no.

You also seem to be missing an understanding of the functioning of the board. You may think it trangressive to ignore protocol, etiquette, and moderation requests, but it is really only a marker of hubris. Direct insult is at least a form of engagement, as opposed to you lofty proclamations and sneering passive-aggression.

You also lack an understanding of communication: the simple insistence that your position constitutes truth does not make it so. And in spite of your smug insistence that no one has provided evidence to the contrary, the burden of proof still lies upon your shoulders *first*. The absence of negation does not make something true, even in the farthest wildernesses of deductive/syllogistic logic.

No doubt you will have some semi-intelligible response lauding your mission, honesty, and marking those that question or object as deluded...or, worse yet, no longer viable material for your inner circle.

As much as your pretensions vex me, they bore me even more. Given the anti-charisma you exude and the utter pointlessness of your manifestoes relative to your audience, it's a matter of days before even snide responses to your posts peter out. Which is a pretty good indicator of how little you (singular or plural) contribute both to the board and the world.
 
 
000
20:36 / 20.01.03
inner circle "I am able to respond to them, that is not the problem, its just when you spend most time defending the argument from people who don’t really care, it becomes demoralizing. I truly believe there are people whose intention it is to derail, and also others who are innocent but act in the same way."

I agree here. I could point my finger at several people, who have responded to this thread, but I currently won't. You know who you are.

For fuck's sake, construct when he gives reason to form a dialogue, whut?
 
 
innercircle
20:36 / 20.01.03
hubris was Word of the Day on October 7, 2001.
 
 
grant
20:59 / 20.01.03
It might be easier to respond or dialogue if innercircle used the bold tags for quoted text.

Like so: The management could select posters who they thought contributed valuable insight to a debate offer them a chance to join the circle and after a while the circle would be self selecting others.

See? easy to tell at first glance that the boldface stuff is a quote from another post.

As to substance of the comment in bold, there really isn't any management here but Tom, and he only turns up rarely. Moderators are all held in check by other moderators, and in the most important ways, every user is hir (that's his/her) own moderator. There are a lot of official moderators, too.

That is, if I'm reading what I think I'm reading. It's kind of hard to be sure. Simplicity is blessed.
 
 
Ganesh
21:13 / 20.01.03
Yep. And we tried the 'inner circle' thing in the past - anyone remember the invite-only Supercollective? From the outside, it was a source of great intrigue (much fluff-posting to reach the requisite number of contributions); from the inside, it was... well, a bit dull, really.
 
 
innercircle
21:33 / 20.01.03
know gansesh that one mans dull is another mans dahl.


iCustoms
 
 
grant
21:36 / 20.01.03
Well, it wasn't any Chocolate Factory in there.
 
 
Linus Dunce
21:55 / 20.01.03
I truly believe there are people whose intention it is to derail, and also others who are innocent but act in the same way.

I can see there are people who deliberately derail and it would be nice to live in a world without them.

But, if your argument can be disrupted by the questions of an innocent, what kind of argument is it?
 
 
innercircle
22:06 / 20.01.03
spotted misgrammer aswell as dylexic, damn fine tuned though Saint Iggy.

clarification, the poeople who just pop thier post in with nothing much to add, could be described as innocent.

the point is to speed up evolution of these Glass Bead Game principles and work together.

iCircle
 
 
Mazarine
22:25 / 20.01.03
from the inside, it was... well, a bit dull, really.

Way more than a bit, sugar.
 
 
Linus Dunce
22:44 / 20.01.03
IC -- But surely you can't resent other people's involvement that much? This is, after all, an internet message board, not a broadband academic journal. I'm sorry, but it's the nature of the beast.

Even so, from what I've seen, the more erudite and intelligent (as opposed to ideological) conversations aren't affected so much by static. Now, I've plonked in many posts when maybe I shouldn't have, but I generally try not to type anything ill-considered and I think most do the same.

A final thought from me for tonight, because I must go to bed soon:
You could, if you wanted, set up your own private board and invite posters you liked from wherever. As it would have a relatively small membership, it wouldn't cost you much in bandwidth charges. Your very own city on the hill, from which ideas would surely migrate back to the boards from which your members came. If you put some hard work into it, I'm sure you would get results. But just trying to appropriate other people's boards ain't nice. Neither is causing mayhem and then offering a self-serving solution to stop it. That's not nice at all. In fact, it's extortion.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
22:51 / 20.01.03
so would an "inner circle" that is voted for and has secrets include IS himself, who would vote for him?
Would the anarchists like having a "them" or "they" on the inside of the "orginization"?

can we eally hurt capitalizm by paying for internet service and computers or by paying hourly fees in net cafes?

Is this destroying the enemy by becoming the enemy?

I have been following this board for more years than I care to admit in polite company, because im told these are not "real" friends or aquaintences, and i am sooo tired of this "we are not doing enough" vibe.

Theres nothing to do, if you think your overweight, you can work on it
if you think you get beat up to much you can take martial arts
but damn it, the goals people put up here, how many need to die so the inner circle can become powerfull?

will the streets run red with the blood of the non beleivers?

fuck it, im posting this as is, with spelling errors, because i feel sick and old--assisted suicidal at 23
 
 
mixmage
01:08 / 21.01.03
[]

Excuse me, please.

The start of this could quite easily have been given extra discussion. Perhaps even in relation to this link. Just food for thought. Like the work and writings of R. Buckminster Fuller... I know RAW likes him. I was pleased to discover this when I started reading RAW. Resonance.

Accounting? Management? With my maths? Unlikely.

L/Maslow is a structure upon which were tentatively placed the rights of man

Oh? I thought it was about needs... deal with needs before you start demanding rights, maybe we can circumvent the mentality you so despise.
Sorry about the plagiarism slur, I just assumed you would back it up with links, had you researched it from scratch. My bad.

Do Not Fuck With Us.

Fuck? I was hinting "crag". If you take the time to get to know the community, you would have seen my post for what it was. Trollbait, written with a smile in my heart which did not translate to the voice in your head. You can't hear it, can you?

If you had read the Invisibles, you would be Illuminated as to what "doing a McGowan" meant. It means "Be their friend until they beg for mercy". This is me turning the other cheek. I have two more I'll show you if you can't calm down!

Barbelingo, used to draw fire. I'm sorry you fell for it.

Pirates vs Ninjas. don't be one of them!
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Yoshua
02:57 / 21.01.03
Glad to see the Infantile Choad spreading his spam 'round the message boards of the net. Guess he got tired of being deleted and insulted on GNN.
 
 
innercircle
06:41 / 21.01.03
ahhh... old friends return..... to clamour in our coat tails shadows. notice the well honed , sysmic leaps of concepts that they offer, the pure decoration of language they employ, and the bitterness that reaks of intelectual property abuse given no impunity.

welcome Y to a real board where ic speaks louder than $s.

feel free to contirbute more than you have.

Crispey Creme anyone?


oh a word for your spnosered corporate Overlords,


Vote on Sundance Online for Process Progress and One.

here.....

http://www.sundanceonlinefilmfestival.com/



works of art they are.

confine s-11 to the bin of profiteering from panic.


cum on all ye faithfull to the online gathering of Mass Concern.



iContent
 
 
Smoothly
08:58 / 21.01.03
Clueless Joe!? Is that you??
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:02 / 21.01.03
Bendt Chromeo inner circle "I am able to respond to them, that is not the problem, its just when you spend most time defending the argument from people who don’t really care, it becomes demoralizing. I truly believe there are people whose intention it is to derail, and also others who are innocent but act in the same way."

I agree here. I could point my finger at several people, who have responded to this thread, but I currently won't. You know who you are.

For fuck's sake, construct when he gives reason to form a dialogue, whut?

Darling! Anyone that turns up here with an idea gets it debated fully. Any fuckbake that does the same with a manifesto gets the same treatment. Innercircle is now doing as you have in the past, spamming us with loads of stuff and showing an unwillingness to talk it over, to explain and clarify. That's why there's a certain unwillingness in out turn to take hir seriously.

Eventually the lizards will come and extract hirs pineal gland and everything will be all right again.
 
  

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