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innercircle
21:10 / 16.01.03
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ONLY NICE THINGS
22:28 / 16.01.03
Christ. Do you know, I don't think anyone on Barbelith has ever suggested that Chomsky might make quite interesting reading *ever* before.

We are all terribly impressed over here. And gosh, blow me if there isn't a huge line of girls forming to sex you, so impressed are they with your (ahem) *copyright* words of wisdom.

To the Conversation with this, I think.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:11 / 16.01.03
Chomsky? My dear, dear Haus, you are mistaken: the originator of this thread quite clearly recommended "Chomski".

Whoever that is.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:18 / 16.01.03
A.E. Whaite a minute....I do believe you're right.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:45 / 16.01.03
I'd be inkliened to sey so, myself.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
07:07 / 17.01.03
Gosh, but you guys are soooo mean.
 
 
Sax
07:14 / 17.01.03
Yes, it really Noreena Hertz, doesn't it?
 
 
A
14:00 / 17.01.03
Go with peace my brothers.

...but don't you sisters worry your pretty little heads about it, okay?
 
 
Jub
14:34 / 17.01.03
"do - Remain loyal to ic"

eh?

please innercircle - let me in on wtf you're going on about.
 
 
Sax
15:02 / 17.01.03
(Innercircle - don't worry too much about all the piss-taking. We're not really a nasty bunch. But we don't like to be preached at much. If you kick your Barbe-life off with something like this, expect a bit of gentle ribbing. But come and join in some of the threads, especially over in the Head Shop, and I'm sure you'll enjoy it.)
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:06 / 17.01.03
Sax is right, come and join stuff, but nobody likes to be talked down to.

But I thank you Innercircle, for providing me with the spectacle of Haus and Jack agreeing politely. When you've been around a while, you'll realise just what a special thing you've done.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:11 / 17.01.03
Who, me?

I have nothing but utmost love and respect for the Haus, BiP. Always have done.

Except when he's being an arsehole.

Or (more likely) when I am.
 
 
innercircle
22:26 / 17.01.03
Inner Circle (ic) @ BARBELTIH

Mission Statement

Global Equality of Resources

Basic Human Rights for every one

Water
Food
Housing
Clothing
Medicine
Education
Democracy


The Circle

There is no hierarchy only camaraderie. All members are voted in by the existing members. The members are working together anonymously. Its not heavy, its not exclusive, ( unless you have nothing valuable to contribute) it just more action based than you may be used to. It is loose, legal, casual, and anonymous of course.


Admission

The only perquisite for admission is that you care enough to post on topic with well researched contributions, either for or against. Posts may be started if they have merit by other members on their own recognisant. There are no editorial guidelines except that it must be current and must expose flaws in the system, the highlighting of which will ultimately bring relief to those who suffer.
Why

Because this is a hotbed of ideas, computer literate activists, Virtual geniuses able to take on the challenge of the Status Quo with out the SQ even knowing.
How

The linking of this BARBELTIH site to all other activists sites, creating traffic, interest and concern.

The posting of BARBELTIH stories in other sites, referenced back to us.

The research of Directors responsible for the Exploitation and Inequality

The coordination of peaceful protest with the maxim coordination to profit form media opportunities.

Activist reading lists, educating those with a desire to know more, like (ic)
Posting stories of global relevance, or ideas referenced to the real world.
Sharing of work and information in order to maximise the circles efficiency.
Above all the concentration of the best minds on the net focused to do the most good for the most people.

We are driven by activation

We deplore wasted time as it is a scarce recourse for the underprivileged.

ic
 
 
Jack Fear
22:49 / 17.01.03
Manifestoes are a dime a dozen

hiding behind false group identities is cowardly

individual responsibility trumps collective lockstepping

Mission

getting your head out of your ass and talking like a human being addressing other human beings

...

So, innercircle, what do you do for kicks?
 
 
Jack Fear
23:31 / 17.01.03
Joking aside.

I say all this with no hostility, just a wry sense of amusement. Because, you see, this has come up before: somebody turns up with the best will in the world, offering a guiding principle for the board.

The thing is, though, that the board already has a guiding principle. And it's going to be what it is, rather than what you want it to be.

Trying to remake the board in your own image—or in the image of what you think it should be—is only going to frustrate you. "There's a hole in every revolution," as a nasty man in a comic book once said, "and it's one word long: people."

We'll disappoint you every time.

And to be honest, I'm finding your tactic and persona pretty repellent—the crypto-Stalinist collective voice, for one, and the exclusionary construction, for another: either you're a part of the inner Circle (tm), or you ain't.

Newsflash: people come to this board to fulfill all kinds of needs, and not all of them fit in with the agenda that you seem to assume we all share. We are large: we contain multitudes. We are larger than your conception of us. We grow and mutate and change in less time than it takes for you to compose one of your Big Brother-style diktats from the front. We will be what we will be, not hat you want us to be.

So I say, in a spirit of friendship to the person behind the name: stop this, now, before it gets ugly. Let your voice be one of the many, instead of being the one voice that speaks for us all.
 
 
innercircle
02:06 / 18.01.03

Join the Inner Circle of BARBELITH

EYE SEE U

newBARBELITH


‘Its not fun its important!’



Activism Rules!




Peace

Universal Human Rights

Corporate negligence

Informed Reading

Good edgy Research - topic specific

Link resources

Cooperate within the innercircle

Balanced Global Stance

Anti American Donimation

Broader Equality Globally

Propaganda Busting

Social concern

IC





ADVERSARIAL



Constantly monitor the 1st page keeping your topics high, replying to the best with your best.

Ramp new posts viewing figures if they are worth it. Reply in other guises to provoke commentary.

Not to much detail, it bores, keep snappy and on track, goal orientated achievements.

All facts checked and validatable

Kill stupid new posts immediately

Violate those who stray or dimunate

Little and often

Interrelate topics to laterally discuss, but only within the confines of both texts

More later but you get the gist yeah?

anon
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:18 / 18.01.03
Come and have a go if you think you're Baudrillard enough.
 
 
innercircle
02:27 / 18.01.03
that our friend is one sweet link for which our thanks will be your imortalization.


Kapitalism Korporate Krime


Why does Capitalism thrive today? Despite being an ugly powerful monster out of control, it has won the hearts and minds of almost everybody in the developed nations. Why?
Because it is a closed circuit. There is no opposition because there is no outlet for change.

NGOs with extremely limited resources do their best by picking at the crumbs of the capitalist table, but what hope can they have when the opposition is so formidable.
Armed to the teeth with massive budgets, international lawyers (Clifford Chance), PR companies (Burson Marsteller -‘Shamelessly building unfair advantage for their clients’) , security systems (read Military), pocket politicians (Bush, Blair), creative accountants (Anderson),all driven by a ruthless exploitative motivation – Profit! The Global Corporate Kings all scratch each others back, so fighting one is like taking on the whole gang (Oil companies lobby Bush to drop the Kyoto Agreement). None of them want change. Esso prosecutes Greenpeace for Trademark abuse while ignoring the case Greenpeace makes for Corporate Climate Crime. Drug companies denigrate Brazil for breaking patent law by producing drugs that Brazilian people need but cannot afford.

Global giants make the law and then enforce it for their benefit. Almost all the patents registered in the world today have been done so by developing nations. In many cases patenting commodities available only in less developed countries. Trademark cases are also in the same vein. Less developed nations have no trademarks, they have nothing to trademark unless they could make AIDS and starvation into a logo. The institutions administering these ‘ownership’ cases are set up by the Developed nations in order to control the less developed.

Go to this link and just see the sad statistics which the WTO themselves have complied resulting in their own suicide! If only the IMF would do the same!
http://www.gatt.org/trastat_e.html

Religious institutions could be players in the opposition to capitalism. But the Catholic Church has more money for honouring dead saints than for real action against the causes of poverty. It is one of the richest organizations in the world, but with a feeble geriatric as its puppet head, and the pomp and pageantry to be paid for, the message of compassion has slipped off their agenda. A movie coming out soon called ‘Amen’ shows they even tolerated the Nazi holocaust, so the fact they stay out of the Globalisation critique is no surprise. Other religions such as the Muslims are too fractured to be a focal point and many are too poor to be influential. The Anglicans, more concerned with electing gay priests than anything concrete. The fundamentalist self righteous Christians of the Bible Belt are more concerned with saving themselves than their ‘neighbours’ across the sea. Most religions are in decline precisely because of their ambivalent positions in the world today. All religions embrace compassion but at a local level instead of a global one. The days of David vs. Goliath are gone. We need a Goliath.

What defies my imagination is how many religions speak of the love of thy neighbour and yet the majority of the neighbours are financially worse off than 50 years ago though a process of bullying by the World Bank and IMF. Western religions are in a state of decline, not wanting to move in political worlds and not even sharing their wealth for the poor, it is no wonder they are under subscribed.

Governments are in the pockets of the Global Corporate Kings. Accepting funding from the Global Corporations in order to get elected in the first place, and riding the backs of the media conglomerants, places them in the laps of the Corporations. They then focus on short term electoral gains and have no stomach for the long term change necessary to bring the world back from the extinction predicted by the WWF in their Earthlog Report. The idea that a government would set up major change that would eventually and logically lead to their decline on a national level, is inconceivable. Besides which they hold less financial power than the Corporations. Look at the quivering attempt of the British government to stop navigation instruments being sold through America to Israel, a clear case of Trade wins over ethics.

The most devious tool of the Corporate Giants is……

Advertising – the brainwashing of our age!

Never before has those who rule had so much direct control over our habits. Control of the media has converged such that it functions much like Orwell’s novel 1984 predicted, blurting out thought control. With the subtle difference we can turn it off. But can we? With coordinated subvert campaigns on the street, in the papers and magazines, on the web, sponsoring events, in schools, on train tickets and in your face, the average city dweller receives over two thousand subvertisments per day. That makes over 700,000 BUY suggestions each and every year. I find this information sad. Bad enough that our working lives have been dehumanised by computers and labour saving devices and still our personal lives are riddled with messages from the same corporations we work for hypnotizing us to spend back our poultry wages . We live to consume in the ‘developed’ nations. Political power no longer exists because the Global corporations are more powerful than governments, now the only power we have is on mass, as consumers. In the face of the worst famine in Africa, Coca Cola press office rejoices in the launch of a cola with a local name in Tanzania, one of the countries most affected by the famine. Nice one Coke! Where is the consumer power there, they have no income to spend!

Where does the majority of advertising dollars go …….Television.

Who has control of Television, is it the politicians whom we elected to control us? Wishful thinking, no it is the same people who control over 50% of the Global economy. The unaccountable Global Corporations leaping transnational boundaries in an effort to exploit the local resources of the ‘less developed’ and avoiding taxation from the more developed nations in a single bound. News Corporation the largest media conglomerate paid less than 7% tax globally last year. We applaud the financial acumen of these companies as they dribble a dividend or two into our consumer pocket, only to be swallowed up by our next conditioned, useless purchase, ‘Oh! my mobile phone is so out of date’ ( read - functional but unfashionable). Fashion itself is a huge exploiter, an icon of capitalism, constantly discarding last seasons clothing which it championed the season before. Its not that the clothes from last season are not wearable, they just need us to purchase again this season in order to keep their Profits high, while reducing humans to machines in their sweatshops (GAP, Nike, Tommy)

Television feeds us bite sized chunks of useless entertainment (Ally Mcbeal, Friends, Who Wants to be a Millionaire! Sex in the City, Survivor, Big Bother) with mechanistic determination. They are only separated by thousands of iconic subvertisments conditioning us to consume with out conscience. This is the role of Television in the world today. It is simply a tool of Corporations to hypnotically force us to consume. Not only does it force products upon us, it also forces its viewpoints. Television precludes questions, its information is a one way street, and only in the format that supports Global Capitalism. In Naomi Klien’s book No Logo we see alternative organizations trying to buy airtime on national television stations. Are we surprised that they are refused. It would be anti capitalistic to let them air their views. Certainly it is undemocratic.

Violence in television is another tool . I have seen thousands killed on TV in dramas, movies etc but surprisingly enough, I have never seen a murder or a shoot out in real life. What is the message? It supports the spending on arms for all governments and reduces our oneworld view, forcing consumers again and again to consider that there is an evil force out there ready to prey on us. This message separates us from one another. It destroys compassion. It allows force to be used against peaceful protest (Genoa, Mayday protests) as that is what the public is used to seeing, much like the Roman arenas the public hysteria want blood! That’s entertainment.

Football the new religion! A game of chance attended by millions every year, true to the faith of capitalism, most of the successful clubs are in fact companies. The richest being the highest on the stock market giving them the ability to buy the best players. Manchester United with its product range generating more sales than the team does in ticket sales. The mass hysteria shown in the recent world cup was despicable, that grown people should care so much about a game and yet care so little about the AIDS victims in Africa. (The amount of money spent on AIDS research in the last 20 years is $400 million, about the size of two Hollywood blockbusters. Very sad given that 70 million people are predicted to die from this Blockbuster epidemic within the next 20 years.) The salaries of these players like the Boardroom Barons of the Capitalistic model are extraordinary. While millions of people in Africa live on $1 per day, David Beckham is given millions. Injustice! Do we not care about those unnamed people in Africa and South America, subsisting on poultry handouts from us, only to repaid doubly with phenomenal interest and exploitation of their natural resources. We would much rather read about Posh & Beck’s latest nail varnish…….give me strength.

Of course this does not surprise as when one considerers the driving motivation and fuel of capitalism is Profit and to make a Profit, you must rip someone off. Therefore Capitalism is synonymous with exploitation and then we get a clear picture, The Developed Nations need the ‘less developed nations in order to survive. For Capitalism to survive in such a heighten state as it is today, it is necessary for 2/3 of the world to be under privileged, In order to take part in Capitalism you must be prepared to make others suffer that is the sad truth. Capitalism needs cheap labour (Nike, Addidas, Reebock) it needs cheap resources (Shell, Texaco, DeBeers), it needs military protection (Afghanistan, Colombia, Philippines), it needs dumb shareholders to rip off (Enron, Worldcom,) Every politician every business man every employee is in fact part of the status quo and their subconscious mission is to enslave the majority of the world in order to maintain their privileged position. Darwinism has been espoused by Wall Street to justify the survival of the fittest. The fact that all religions go against this hypothesis suggests that people do want to be compassionate, they do not want others to suffer for them, but the singular decline in religion these days attests to the reduction of the power of compassion through religion.

What is important about today’s global economy is that finally we the people are able to act global instead of just nationally, in both government and economics. Corporations have showed us that they can defy international barriers. We the people can also defy the national barriers. We can act globally and take back the power to exploit in order to promote compassion. Instead of relying on a few under funded radical organisations to fight our battles through their lack of media access, we can make this world a better place and safer by restoring equilibrium to an unbalanced earth.

The web is our weapon. It gives us instant research, it connects us instantly across nations, this is our revolution from within. Fight brothers and sisters, don’t just bicker and bitch, turn the energy into positive action, research your causes, bring more dirt to light, convert your friends, families, keep the ball rolling and contribute to the good of mankind!

To effect change we need a majority and that means that the majority must understand the present system is the cause of many of the problems in the world today. Poverty in Africa , South America and Asia is a direct result of the IMF, corrupt governments and the continuation of the global corporations to exploit natural resources in these wonderful continents. Sure they suffer from droughts, floods, lack of infrastructure, education etc but none of these problems are insurmountable with the huge resources we have at our disposal in the ‘developed’ nations. The profits from one oil giant Shell last year of $10 billion, would have sorted out several African nations. But we are prepared to line our pockets and look the other way when it comes to the suffering of others. So while Shell is busy paying off the military to kill local protesters in Nigerian oil fields , we take the dividends and happily go off to church on Sundays, confessing to some petty sin, while the gross public sin is never confessed. It’s all out of sync now and this situation has become self perpetuating. More people died of starvation on the 9/11, than in the towers, but because they did so in countries where we exploit rather than rejoice in our ‘good’ fortune, we ignored that fact. We concentrate on the ‘media’ outrage and give the military a good excuse to push on in their efforts to find other countries to drain, like Afghanistan and soon Iraq.

We should be looking for a world where everybody has the same basic human rights and privileges and then an incident like 9/11 may never have happened. America is the focal point of the Capitalist Dream but it is equally represented in the European Union, just more quietly. Typically the Americans are brasher about it, but most developed nations are taking part in the military coupe in Afghanistan.

How can it be that people would rather get fat on the starvation of others. Do they not feel the terrible weight of injustice, when they see pictures of starving or AIDS children. We have become immune to those images these days, preferring to profit form the oil, diamond and lumber companies exploiting rather than seeing the real crime of not caring.

When I see the local people of Africa and South America I see a reason and that reason is us. For hundreds of years we have exploited and oppressed the people of these regions, through religion, slavery, colonialism and now capitalism. We are responsible for the Earth now and we owe it to the human race to manage resources responsibly for the greater good of mankind, for all our brothers and sisters.

OneWorld !



icopyright
 
 
bio k9
07:02 / 18.01.03
 
 
Sax
08:22 / 18.01.03
I have to agree. I propose this thread is surrounded by blue and white moderator tape and everyone just walks on by, because there's nothing to see. Maybe IC can get some community service in the Head Shop at a later date.
 
 
William Sack
08:28 / 18.01.03
Arise, Sir News.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:42 / 18.01.03
The only perquisite for admission is that you care enough to post on topic with well researched contributions, either for or against.

Yeah, that definitely seems to be yr guiding principle over in the Film/TV/Theatre forum...
 
 
innercircle
10:16 / 18.01.03
We the people
.......................


We the people have the power

In sheer numbers

We can create change

By overcoming apathy

By uniting for Justice

Bands of Brothers and Sisters

Shoulder to Shoulder

In Adversity we are stronger

In pain we are resolute.

We demand change

All humans have the rights we have

Not a selection based on Greed

We the people

Are the force

We decide who goes hungry

We decide who is cursed for life

Collectively we decide

Collectively we can change it

We the people

Choose life!

Over Profit !

ic
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:20 / 18.01.03
Any old platitudes... bring out yer platitudes...
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
10:32 / 18.01.03
Yes, Power to the People indeed...sorry to be flippant but I have derived great amusement from ic's ramblings, however, spam is spam...I agree with Jack Fear's comments, whoever ic is, he/she is certainly not interested in debate or discussion and is certainly not going to stop pontificating - can somebody give ic a slap on the wrist please.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
10:35 / 18.01.03
Silly me, look, here's an "ignore" button...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:27 / 18.01.03
See I really can't be bothered to read all of that.
 
 
The Monkey
13:29 / 18.01.03
"We decide who is cursed for life"

heh. Inside every revolutionary is a policeman.

Flaubert said that...well, the *heh* is mine.

And now we shall all sing along with the Vikings at the Green Midget Cafe.
 
 
innercircle
13:48 / 18.01.03
The *we* refered to in the poem is all of us, not just the innercircle. The privilaged few that can read this.

We in the privilaged world decide whom stays behind the Great Economic Iron Curtain and who is with us at the Great Exploitative Feast. We *collectively* have that power.

If you want debate instead of edicts, contribute something of value refuting the propsitions or with a little positive effort this team spirt could become more popular than virtual gardening.

as for your IGNOREance, may it be blissful.


icDigitalActivity
 
 
Lurid Archive
13:51 / 18.01.03
I don't quite get this guy. Whats the point of talking at people like this? Especially when you are asked politely by Jack Fear and others to engage and discuss. I guess I expect people to respond to friendly advice, or at least acknowledge it.

Spamming isn't that much fun, is it? Do you get spam highs if you do it for long enough?
 
 
Lurid Archive
14:02 / 18.01.03
Ah excellent, you are responding to something ic. (May I call you ic?)

I'd have a reread of Jack Fear's post above - he puts it pretty well. Also, you should ask yourself if edicts are the right way to achieve what you want. I mean, maybe, just maybe, some of us might have read some of the authors you point out and have considered some of the points you raise. It can be rewarding to acknowledge that sometimes other people can also be worth listening to.

Try actually communicating. Expecting others to do all the work when all you offer are tired slogans and a dismissive attitude won't get you too far. It can be educational and fun, kids.
 
 
A
14:03 / 18.01.03
Have you seen that episode of South Park where Butters thinks he's a super-villain? I think it's something along those lines.
 
 
innercircle
14:28 / 18.01.03

you may call any innercircle members (ic) as an expedience to communication.

despite Jack and his Fear we are not frightened. we @ the innercircle are overjoyed that others have followed this well trodden path to digital activism and long may that continue. please feel free to contribute those thoughts you mentioned to this thread. Our desire to learn is in *reality* acute.

Activism 101 is only the beginning of collective concentric circles.

we are the digital graffiti artists of our time, rendering the democratic process to all people equally.

this ‘talking @ Barbelith’ is by way of announcing our values openly and transparently @ the outset, rather than developing character momentum as we go along.

With the innercircle its just a question of time. There is never enough.

icopyright
 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:29 / 18.01.03
Violate those who stray or dimunate

dimunate?

is that the same as ass-candling?
 
 
A
14:35 / 18.01.03
The People's Poet lives!
 
  

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