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innercircle
14:46 / 18.01.03
well spotted us trying to turn an adjective into a verb, with a modicum of success.

di·min·u·tive ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-mny-tv)
adj.

Extremely small in size; tiny.

'Babyisms and dear diminutives'. --Tennyson.


The process of digitally arse candeling could be likened a verb - to dimunate, or be diminative?


pushing it i guess but you get the gist eh?
 
 
Linus Dunce
14:47 / 18.01.03
You know, there's something not quite right about this.

Content:

-Pasted-in pseudo-activist bollocks, buzzwords and URLs.
-Very little engagement with points concerning posting ethics or topicality beyond a specious reference to freedom of speech.

Form:

-Multiple, long posts pushing a lot of good stuff "below the fold."

So I'm not totally convinced they are naive or benign in their intent.

Now, Ignatius' manifesto:

I will give people the benefit of the doubt.
But I will make with the ignore button just in case.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
14:57 / 18.01.03
I think I've read enough to say that I smell knowledge in this somewhere. I have no dought that I'll be cursed for the mention just remember not to mention the name thrice.
 
 
The Monkey
15:15 / 18.01.03
Innercircle,

The chosen style of your dictats, your refusal to discuss, mark you as an yet another petty tyrant. Your application of the falsely collective *we* is meaningless when those supposed numbers all mindless parrot your words. An ideogogue, or a leader, is only as noble, only as well-intentioned, as ze are in the face of their opposition...of questions and conflict.

There are many people on this board who have argued positions similar to yours at various times, and many people who feel that there is much imbalanced in this world that needs. I respect their convictions - even as I sometimes vehemently disagree - because they argue, they engage in the give and take of ideas...they defend their positions with examples and logic, they cede points when a better idea is synthesized through discussion...and sometimes they just agree to disagree.

I do not suffer dogma well, and I have little patience for well-meaning authoritarianism. I first-hand have seen as many atrocities perpetrated in the name of some greater good as in the monolithic greed and eevil that you have concocted.

You have *proposed* chaff in the wind, a smattering of bland ideals unecumbered by such utilities as the practicalities of applications or the struggles inherent to the communication and implementation of such points. Better has been proposed on Barbelith on a regular basis, and setting your points in contrast with those of the minds and voices I know from this board you have contributed nothing meriting response. You are in no position to cast intimations of ignorance or laziness.

There are other people on this board who will tolerate you because they are kind and open souls with the best intentions. I have grown up hard under the boot heels of tyrants great and small, and I am not nearly so forgiving. Having grown up on the other side of your Economic Iron Curtain, having experienced poverty and totalitarianism on a very personal level, I think you're yet another a talking head, an incandescent fart lingering in theoretical space. No more than you have authority to throw the blanket of your *we* over the people on this board, you are not in any position to make decisions for your oh-so hypothetical huddled masses in other countries.
 
 
Ganesh
15:55 / 18.01.03
Nah, it's randomly generated cut-up - like the Julie Burchill Generator. Metatroll.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:28 / 18.01.03
Sigh.

I tried being nice, didn't I? You all saw me trying to be nice?

Anything that happens now is not my fault.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:47 / 18.01.03
I can't begin to articulate the sense of crushing despair that settled over me as I read this dross for what feels like the millionth time. Thank you ic for making me feel about a thousand years old, and for turning my world into a long grey concrete underpass.

J.F., Monkey et al have said all the important stuff. It remains only for a handful of posters to hail this jerkoff as their latest working-class hero/anansi/messiah and tell us not to be so elitist because "they want to hear what ze has to say". Go, on, knock yerselves out. I'm going back to bed.
 
 
bio k9
18:11 / 18.01.03
 
 
innercircle
10:19 / 19.01.03
This is a one time service to illustrate our capacity to respond. In future please restrict your replies to relevant topics.



The chosen style of your dictates
………………………………………

1/ Open, Honest, Equal, Simple, Humorous, Sincere er ….np….. so far thanks chimp….

2/ the innercircle has faults, those can be corrected by joining us.





your refusal to discuss,
………………………..

1/ try your meagre posting limits of 25 per day inhibiting discussion, we are open 247

2/ lot a peops lot a boards, that’s why we needs help.


mark you as an yet another petty tyrant
………………………………………………

1/ we have no dictates only suggestions we are not saying DO THIS, we are telling folk what we do, if they want to join they will me made welcome. It’s a loose association of cyber activists with parallel concerns. No conspiracy intended.

2/ Easy with the labels now.


Your application of the falsely collective *we* is meaningless when those supposed numbers all mindless parrot your words.
……………………………………………………………………………………

1/ We are more than one, we share passwords and ideals.

2/ we co-operate with one another in the actual world.






An ideologue, or a leader, is only as noble, only as well-intentioned, as ze are in the face of their opposition...of questions and conflict.
…………………………………………………………………………

1/ As we see it the opposition is the Status Quo, conflict is assured.

2/ it is conflict we desire in order to change the hoarding of resources among the military / economic might.







There are many people on this board who have argued positions similar to yours at various times,
…………………………………………………………………………………….

1/ We did not say we were the first in fact if you look at ic material, it is often attributed to others.

2/ Originality is not in contention, what’s on offer is a chance to do more than just banter, rather to increase the pleasure of the skills we evidently have to the greatest good.

3/ The has always been an innercircle, in all likelihood those members you spoke about were ic members if their intentions had *nur*





and many people who feel that there is much imbalanced in this world that needs.
……………………………………………………………………………………..

1/ Here
2/Here



I respect their convictions - even as I sometimes vehemently disagree - because they argue, they engage in the give and take of ideas...they defend their positions with examples and logic, they cede points when a better idea is synthesized through discussion...and sometimes they just agree to disagree.
…………………………………………………………………………………….

1/ As we said earlier, 25 gives not much retort. However again these well intentioned people should get with the program and develop a critical mass, they are all welcome.

2/ We believe in the theory of ideavolution

hypothesis + antithesis = synthesis @ ic

3/ Again by joining you may be one or other of the input equation.





I do not suffer dogma well, and I have little patience for well-meaning authoritarianism.
……………………………………………………………………………

1/ Every relationship has its agreements, the innercircle precepts are dynamic

2/ if you would rather be by yourself, that’s allowed too.




I first-hand have seen as many atrocities perpetrated in the name of some greater good as in the monolithic greed and evil that you have concocted.
……………………………………………………………………………………..

1/ Sadly it is our experience to concur however that is not the point. The point is that we here can do something about it NOW.

2/ and that has made you not want to do anything about it?





You have *proposed* chaff in the wind, a smattering of bland ideals unencumbered by such utilities as the practicalities of applications or the struggles inherent to the communication and implementation of such points.
………………………………………………………………………………………

1/ Every journey begins with a single step, in activism we are self confessed children, free form limited expectations.

2/ bland ? please explain - if passion be bland then bland passion rules –

Shakespeareic





Better has been proposed on Barbelith on a regular basis, and setting your points in contrast with those of the minds and voices I know from this board you have contributed nothing meriting response.
……………………………………………………………………………………..

1/ we have 64 responses to 5 threads form a couple of hours 1st time. Three of which are visible on the front page, are we worried?

2/ no biggy, we are not a ‘must read’ yet however online presence is about seeding. It takes time to fully engage the needs of each site, which like fingerprints all have their own virtual identity.





You are in no position to cast intimations of ignorance or laziness.
……………………………………………………………………………….

This is your own trip dude.




There are other people on this board who will tolerate you because they are kind and open souls with the best intentions.
………………………………………………………………………………………

YUMMYic




I have grown up hard under the boot heels of tyrants great and small, and I am not nearly so forgiving.
……………………………………………………………………………………..

1/ We are a democracy @ the innercircle, did you read OUR manifesto before taking pot shots, we are the people, not one or two but everybody.

2/ *sob* make a difference now.






Having grown up on the other side of your Economic Iron Curtain

1/ This is what we want to redress. Our privilege is no fault of ourselves.

2/ lets take the EIC down together co-operatively.





, having experienced poverty and totalitarianism on a very personal level,
…………………………………………………………………………………….

1/ Members of the innercircle include participants form Bombay / Delhi / Rio / Port Moresby / Philippines / Barbados / Cuba / London / Kathmandu / Goa / New York / Paris and…

2/ Its universal, we all feel dominated by more powerful forces than ourselves.







I think you're yet another a talking head, an incandescent fart lingering in theoretical space.
………………………………………………………………………………………

1/ Get down with the James brown with what you really wanted to say.

2/ there is nothing theoretical about it , it about disseminating information, collaborating on research and specializing in what we do best, communicating. Its about digitally activating the masses to the point where resources are more equally spread.






No more than you have authority to throw the blanket of your *we* over the people on this board, you are not in any position to make decisions for your oh-so hypothetical huddled masses in other countries.
…………………………………………………………………………………………

1/ This may be harsh however *don’t join if you don’t want to*

2/ Next time please spell check your work.



Join the ic while there is still room virtually


Original Pirate Material inserts marked 1/ * 2/* icopyright
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:28 / 19.01.03
Ummm... a couple of things, both of which I think will be restating points made earlier, so please bear with me...

1) Simply posting a manifesto doesn't invite debate. It invites argument (in the confrontational/fighting sense, rather than the philosophical). Therefore is ARSE on a board where (as far as I know) discussion is *a good thing*.

2)... This is a one time service to illustrate our capacity to respond. In future please restrict your replies to relevant topics.
Ironic much?

Apart from which, you mean your capacity to respond is a one-shot? And this works... how, exactly...?

Oh fuck it. I'm not chucking anymore bread under that bridge. Them Billy Goats Gruff gonna have to fend for themselves. I can't be arsed.
 
 
bio k9
10:42 / 19.01.03
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:10 / 19.01.03
I think its quite interesting, heart warming even, to see Barbelith respond to this suit. The response has been both coherent and individual, with each person saying similar things but in their own style and with their own emphasis. Its also been pretty polite (well done JF), which I tend to think is important, especially when there is every reason not to be.

ic: I like the creepy collective voice. Do you watch Trek and get it from the Borg? Or Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Or does it just come naturally?

At the risk of flogging a dead horse, I would suggest that you read what is said to you. This,

we have 64 responses to 5 threads form a couple of hours 1st time. Three of which are visible on the front page, are we worried?

would be a good point, were it not for the fact that all the responses have taken the form of criticisms of your posting style. You aren't making a good impression and soon people will decide to just ignore you. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if many already had.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:13 / 19.01.03
I promise this is my last response to this thread. But...

Next time please spell check your work

Hmmm. Now let's see... (no, no, Stoatie, no, leave it...)
 
 
innercircle
11:24 / 19.01.03
19/01/2003 00:00

all tomorrows 1
quick quiz 0
gravity 0
facts 3
shark 14
twat 0
8 mile 8
ccc 47
gathering 0

total 73


icMomentum
 
 
bio k9
11:34 / 19.01.03
Well then:

 
 
gornorft
11:37 / 19.01.03
Oh God! It looks like a twentythree board post.

Fight it with all venom and strength. It is a virus to be killed.

I've seen this type of thing before. Scary.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:39 / 19.01.03
So, lemme get this straight: You're judging the success of this whole tedious excercise by the number of responses, rather than the content?

icDelusion.
 
 
bio k9
11:44 / 19.01.03
Whats wrong with the content?

 
 
Papess
13:12 / 19.01.03
IC:

Everything you are suggesting is already happening here on/at/with/from Barbelith.


Jack Fear said it the best:
Newsflash: people come to this board to fulfill all kinds of needs, and not all of them fit in with the agenda that you seem to assume we all share. We are large: we contain multitudes. We are larger than your conception of us. We grow and mutate and change in less time than it takes for you to compose one of your Big Brother-style diktats from the front. We will be what we will be, not what you want us to be.

My eyes were truly opened reading that. THank you Jack and thank you Barbelith.

It's Barbe-zen.

IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING/HAPPENED
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:29 / 19.01.03
1/ Members of the innercircle include participants form Bombay / Delhi / Rio / Port Moresby / Philippines / Barbados / Cuba / London / Kathmandu / Goa / New York / Paris and…

Please. If there's genuinely more than one of you, I'm Ari fucking Fleischer.

And you seem to have admitted in the 'Great White Australian Shark' thread that you're from the UK.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
14:26 / 19.01.03
That teachers of love pic seems somewhat phallic to me.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:17 / 19.01.03
Sometimes I just get sick and tired of people ordering me to be free.

'Debate' is not a synonym for 'follower'.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:19 / 19.01.03
And strange how only those with nothing to say complain about the posting limit of 25 messages.
 
 
innercircle
16:16 / 19.01.03
Kapitalism Korporate Krime


Why does Capitalism thrive today? Despite being an ugly powerful monster out of control, it has won the hearts and minds of almost everybody in the developed nations. Why?
Because it is a closed circuit. There is no opposition because there is no outlet for change.

NGOs with extremely limited resources do their best by picking at the crumbs of the capitalist table, but what hope can they have when the opposition is so formidable.
Armed to the teeth with massive budgets, international lawyers (Clifford Chance), PR companies (Burson Marsteller -‘Shamelessly building unfair advantage for their clients’) , security systems (read Military), pocket politicians (Bush, Blair), creative accountants (Anderson),all driven by a ruthless exploitative motivation – Profit! The Global Corporate Kings all scratch each others back, so fighting one is like taking on the whole gang (Oil companies lobby Bush to drop the Kyoto Agreement). None of them want change. Esso prosecutes Greenpeace for Trademark abuse while ignoring the case Greenpeace makes for Corporate Climate Crime. Drug companies denigrate Brazil for breaking patent law by producing drugs that Brazilian people need but cannot afford.

Global giants make the law and then enforce it for their benefit. Almost all the patents registered in the world today have been done so by developing nations. In many cases patenting commodities available only in less developed countries. Trademark cases are also in the same vein. Less developed nations have no trademarks, they have nothing to trademark unless they could make AIDS and starvation into a logo. The institutions administering these ‘ownership’ cases are set up by the Developed nations in order to control the less developed.

Go to this link and just see the sad statistics which the WTO themselves have complied resulting in their own suicide! If only the IMF would do the same!
http://www.gatt.org/trastat_e.html

Religious institutions could be players in the opposition to capitalism. But the Catholic Church has more money for honouring dead saints than for real action against the causes of poverty. It is one of the richest organizations in the world, but with a feeble geriatric as its puppet head, and the pomp and pageantry to be paid for, the message of compassion has slipped off their agenda. A movie coming out soon called ‘Amen’ shows they even tolerated the Nazi holocaust, so the fact they stay out of the Globalisation critique is no surprise. Other religions such as the Muslims are too fractured to be a focal point and many are too poor to be influential. The Anglicans, more concerned with electing gay priests than anything concrete. The fundamentalist self righteous Christians of the Bible Belt are more concerned with saving themselves than their ‘neighbours’ across the sea. Most religions are in decline precisely because of their ambivalent positions in the world today. All religions embrace compassion but at a local level instead of a global one. The days of David vs. Goliath are gone. We need a Goliath.

What defies my imagination is how many religions speak of the love of thy neighbour and yet the majority of the neighbours are financially worse off than 50 years ago though a process of bullying by the World Bank and IMF. Western religions are in a state of decline, not wanting to move in political worlds and not even sharing their wealth for the poor, it is no wonder they are under subscribed.

Governments are in the pockets of the Global Corporate Kings. Accepting funding from the Global Corporations in order to get elected in the first place, and riding the backs of the media conglomerants, places them in the laps of the Corporations. They then focus on short term electoral gains and have no stomach for the long term change necessary to bring the world back from the extinction predicted by the WWF in their Earthlog Report. The idea that a government would set up major change that would eventually and logically lead to their decline on a national level, is inconceivable. Besides which they hold less financial power than the Corporations. Look at the quivering attempt of the British government to stop navigation instruments being sold through America to Israel, a clear case of Trade wins over ethics.

The most devious tool of the Corporate Giants is……

Advertising – the brainwashing of our age!

Never before has those who rule had so much direct control over our habits. Control of the media has converged such that it functions much like Orwell’s novel 1984 predicted, blurting out thought control. With the subtle difference we can turn it off. But can we? With coordinated subvert campaigns on the street, in the papers and magazines, on the web, sponsoring events, in schools, on train tickets and in your face, the average city dweller receives over two thousand subvertisments per day. That makes over 700,000 BUY suggestions each and every year. I find this information sad. Bad enough that our working lives have been dehumanised by computers and labour saving devices and still our personal lives are riddled with messages from the same corporations we work for hypnotizing us to spend back our poultry wages . We live to consume in the ‘developed’ nations. Political power no longer exists because the Global corporations are more powerful than governments, now the only power we have is on mass, as consumers. In the face of the worst famine in Africa, Coca Cola press office rejoices in the launch of a cola with a local name in Tanzania, one of the countries most affected by the famine. Nice one Coke! Where is the consumer power there, they have no income to spend!

Where does the majority of advertising dollars go …….Television.

Who has control of Television, is it the politicians whom we elected to control us? Wishful thinking, no it is the same people who control over 50% of the Global economy. The unaccountable Global Corporations leaping transnational boundaries in an effort to exploit the local resources of the ‘less developed’ and avoiding taxation from the more developed nations in a single bound. News Corporation the largest media conglomerate paid less than 7% tax globally last year. We applaud the financial acumen of these companies as they dribble a dividend or two into our consumer pocket, only to be swallowed up by our next conditioned, useless purchase, ‘Oh! my mobile phone is so out of date’ ( read - functional but unfashionable). Fashion itself is a huge exploiter, an icon of capitalism, constantly discarding last seasons clothing which it championed the season before. Its not that the clothes from last season are not wearable, they just need us to purchase again this season in order to keep their Profits high, while reducing humans to machines in their sweatshops (GAP, Nike, Tommy)

Television feeds us bite sized chunks of useless entertainment (Ally Mcbeal, Friends, Who Wants to be a Millionaire! Sex in the City, Survivor, Big Bother) with mechanistic determination. They are only separated by thousands of iconic subvertisments conditioning us to consume with out conscience. This is the role of Television in the world today. It is simply a tool of Corporations to hypnotically force us to consume. Not only does it force products upon us, it also forces its viewpoints. Television precludes questions, its information is a one way street, and only in the format that supports Global Capitalism. In Naomi Klien’s book No Logo we see alternative organizations trying to buy airtime on national television stations. Are we surprised that they are refused. It would be anti capitalistic to let them air their views. Certainly it is undemocratic.

Violence in television is another tool . I have seen thousands killed on TV in dramas, movies etc but surprisingly enough, I have never seen a murder or a shoot out in real life. What is the message? It supports the spending on arms for all governments and reduces our oneworld view, forcing consumers again and again to consider that there is an evil force out there ready to prey on us. This message separates us from one another. It destroys compassion. It allows force to be used against peaceful protest (Genoa, Mayday protests) as that is what the public is used to seeing, much like the Roman arenas the public hysteria want blood! That’s entertainment.

Football the new religion! A game of chance attended by millions every year, true to the faith of capitalism, most of the successful clubs are in fact companies. The richest being the highest on the stock market giving them the ability to buy the best players. Manchester United with its product range generating more sales than the team does in ticket sales. The mass hysteria shown in the recent world cup was despicable, that grown people should care so much about a game and yet care so little about the AIDS victims in Africa. (The amount of money spent on AIDS research in the last 20 years is $400 million, about the size of two Hollywood blockbusters. Very sad given that 70 million people are predicted to die from this Blockbuster epidemic within the next 20 years.) The salaries of these players like the Boardroom Barons of the Capitalistic model are extraordinary. While millions of people in Africa live on $1 per day, David Beckham is given millions. Injustice! Do we not care about those unnamed people in Africa and South America, subsisting on poultry handouts from us, only to repaid doubly with phenomenal interest and exploitation of their natural resources. We would much rather read about Posh & Beck’s latest nail varnish…….give me strength.

Of course this does not surprise as when one considerers the driving motivation and fuel of capitalism is Profit and to make a Profit, you must rip someone off. Therefore Capitalism is synonymous with exploitation and then we get a clear picture, The Developed Nations need the ‘less developed nations in order to survive. For Capitalism to survive in such a heighten state as it is today, it is necessary for 2/3 of the world to be under privileged, In order to take part in Capitalism you must be prepared to make others suffer that is the sad truth. Capitalism needs cheap labour (Nike, Addidas, Reebock) it needs cheap resources (Shell, Texaco, DeBeers), it needs military protection (Afghanistan, Colombia, Philippines), it needs dumb shareholders to rip off (Enron, Worldcom,) Every politician every business man every employee is in fact part of the status quo and their subconscious mission is to enslave the majority of the world in order to maintain their privileged position. Darwinism has been espoused by Wall Street to justify the survival of the fittest. The fact that all religions go against this hypothesis suggests that people do want to be compassionate, they do not want others to suffer for them, but the singular decline in religion these days attests to the reduction of the power of compassion through religion.

What is important about today’s global economy is that finally we the people are able to act global instead of just nationally, in both government and economics. Corporations have showed us that they can defy international barriers. We the people can also defy the national barriers. We can act globally and take back the power to exploit in order to promote compassion. Instead of relying on a few under funded radical organisations to fight our battles through their lack of media access, we can make this world a better place and safer by restoring equilibrium to an unbalanced earth.

The web is our weapon. It gives us instant research, it connects us instantly across nations, this is our revolution from within. Fight brothers and sisters, don’t just bicker and bitch, turn the energy into positive action, research your causes, bring more dirt to light, convert your friends, families, keep the ball rolling and contribute to the good of mankind!

To effect change we need a majority and that means that the majority must understand the present system is the cause of many of the problems in the world today. Poverty in Africa , South America and Asia is a direct result of the IMF, corrupt governments and the continuation of the global corporations to exploit natural resources in these wonderful continents. Sure they suffer from droughts, floods, lack of infrastructure, education etc but none of these problems are insurmountable with the huge resources we have at our disposal in the ‘developed’ nations. The profits from one oil giant Shell last year of $10 billion, would have sorted out several African nations. But we are prepared to line our pockets and look the other way when it comes to the suffering of others. So while Shell is busy paying off the military to kill local protesters in Nigerian oil fields , we take the dividends and happily go off to church on Sundays, confessing to some petty sin, while the gross public sin is never confessed. It’s all out of sync now and this situation has become self perpetuating. More people died of starvation on the 9/11, than in the towers, but because they did so in countries where we exploit rather than rejoice in our ‘good’ fortune, we ignored that fact. We concentrate on the ‘media’ outrage and give the military a good excuse to push on in their efforts to find other countries to drain, like Afghanistan and soon Iraq.

We should be looking for a world where everybody has the same basic human rights and privileges and then an incident like 9/11 may never have happened. America is the focal point of the Capitalist Dream but it is equally represented in the European Union, just more quietly. Typically the Americans are brasher about it, but most developed nations are taking part in the military coupe in Afghanistan.

How can it be that people would rather get fat on the starvation of others. Do they not feel the terrible weight of injustice, when they see pictures of starving or AIDS children. We have become immune to those images these days, preferring to profit form the oil, diamond and lumber companies exploiting rather than seeing the real crime of not caring.

When I see the local people of Africa and South America I see a reason and that reason is us. For hundreds of years we have exploited and oppressed the people of these regions, through religion, slavery, colonialism and now capitalism. We are responsible for the Earth now and we owe it to the human race to manage resources responsibly for the greater good of mankind, for all our brothers and sisters.

OneWorld !



copyrightic
 
 
innercircle
16:21 / 19.01.03
massive aploigise for the fuck up. heres what we ment to say


Consolidated Charities Inc

The ability of the individual Charities to identify and campaign on specific causes is a fundamental reason for their success. The proliferation of causes however is extremely broad and therefore the variety of charities is bewildering for the public. The administration base of these charities is replicated time and again, duplicating effort. When it comes to lobbying government and creating a unique voice of opposition, this fragmentation dilutes the potential power of these multiple voices.

In the Commercial sector it is an evolutionary requisite for industries to begin fragmented and over a period of time through mergers takeovers and buyouts to become consolidated. In the majority of cases the underlying brands are left independent in the view of the outside world. This model allows brands to have a single cost effective administration while at the same time giving brands an apparent uniqueness in the market place.

It is therefore proposed that charities with a similar focus could band together freeing up duplicative administration charges for action. Ideally a large
body of ‘United Charities’ could be formed, financially support by ‘taxing’ the other charities under them or with direct governmental support. This
would enable a larger voice of international significance to be available for lobbying on global issues. The individual charities would still retain
representation rather like divisional heads in a corporation. The economies of scale combined with magnification of stature would benefit the individual charities and indeed the wider cases simultaneously.

Charities need to fight with the same weapons as corporations in order to survive. Otherwise they are relegated into specific issues and sidetracked by having to support themselves on a shoestring. Enough of the good guys, charities need to get with the program, it’s a jungle out there!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:31 / 19.01.03
Yes, thank you so much. None of us have ever read No Logo.
 
 
The Monkey
18:23 / 19.01.03
Oh, I get it. You're the muppet version of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.
 
 
The Monkey
18:40 / 19.01.03
or a forced mating between Barney the Purple Dinosaur, Noam Chomsky, and an answering machine.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:34 / 19.01.03
...yeah, but one that's really protective of hir copyright!

Yawn.

ic: I like the creepy collective voice. Do you watch Trek and get it from the Borg? Or Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Or does it just come naturally?

Yeah, except when ze fucks up and uses "I", instead. But hey, maybe that's just a flaw in the programming.

Fly; no need to get the license changed just yet, I think.
 
 
innercircle
22:11 / 19.01.03
yes well erm apart form the cackeling ic no challangers no contentions no contributers......

here is another too tempt your activist appetite


Thought Control

Why does Capitalism thrive today?

Television – the thought controller of our age. Never before has those who rule had so much direct control over our habits. Control of the media has converged such that media is like the Orwell’s novel 1984 predicted, blurts out thought control. It speaks the Doublespeak, one day supporting Osama Bin Laden the next day calling him the Devil, neglecting to mention that there are huge Oil profits to be made through pumping oil through Afghanistan.

Who has that control of Television, is it the politicians whom we elected to control us, no it is the same people who control 51% of the Global economy. The unaccountable Global Corporations. Bit sized chunks of useless entertainment with no depth and no soul are fed to us with relentless determination. They are only separated by thousands of iconic subvertisments conditioning us to consume with out conscience. This is the role of Television in the world today. It is simply a tool to hypnotically force us to consume. It also forces its viewpoints. In the UK we here and see our Mr Blair saying we will not import conflict timber, and we believe him, we do not ask questions, indeed with Television, questions are not permitted, information is a one way street, and only in the format that supports Global Capitalism. In Naomi Kliens book No Logo we see alternative points of view trying to buy airtime on national television Stations. Are we surprised that they are refused? that the biggest Media monopolist on the planet Rupert Murdoch has a son in law, importing this timber from Angola and fuelling armies that suppress the locals into starvation Typically the news from Angola is none existent, let alone a rational debate on the causes.

What defies my imagination is how many religions speak of the love of thy neighbour and yet the majority of the world is financially worse of than 50 years ago though a process of bullying by the World Bank and IMF. Religions are in a state of decline, not wanting to move in political worlds, not even providing their wealth for the poor, it is no wonder they are under subscribed. Of course this does not surprise as when one considerers the driving motivation and fuel of capitalism is Profit and to make a profit, you must rip someone off. Therefore Capitalism is synonymous with exploitation and then we get a clear picture, The Developed Nations need the ‘less developed nations in order to survive. For Capitalism to survive in such a heighten state as it is today, it is necessary for 2/3 of the word to be under privileged, In order to take part in Capitalism you must be prepared to make other s suffer that is the sad truth. Every politician every business man every employee is in fact part of the status quo and their mission is to enslave the majority of the world in order to maintain their privileged position. It has been espoused by Darwinists to justify the survival of the fittest. The fact that all religions go against this hypothesis suggests that people do want to be compassionate, they do not want others to suffer for them, but the singular decline in religion these days attests to the reduction of the power of compassion.

What is important about the today’s global economy is that finally we the people are able to act global instead of just nationally, in both government and economics. Corporations have showed us that they can defy international barriers. We the people can also defy the national barriers. We can act globally and take back the power to exploit in order to promote compassion. Instead of relying on a few under funded radical organisations to police the world through their lack of media access we can make this world a better place and safer by restoring equilibrium to an unbalanced earth. To effect change we need a majority and that means that the majority must understand the present system is the cause of many of the problems in the world today. Poverty in Africa is a direct result of the IMF, corrupt governments and the continuation of the global corporations to exploit natural resources in this wonderful continent. Sure they suffer from droughts, floods, lack of infrastructure, education etc but none of these problems go are insurmountable with the huge resources we have at our disposal in the ‘developed nations. The profits from one oil giant Shell last year of 10 billion, would have sorted out several African nations. But we are prepared to line our pockets and look the other way when it comes to suffering of others. While Shell is busy paying off the military to kill local protesters in Nigerian oil fields , we take the dividends while happily going off to church on Sundays and confessing the crime of coveting our neighbour wives. It’s all out of sync now and this situation has become self perpetuating. More people died of starvation on the 9/11, but because they did so in countries where we exploit rather than rejoice in our good fortune, we ignored that fact. We concentrated on the ‘media’ outrage and gave the military a good excuse to push on in their efforts to find other countries to drain.

We should be looking for a world where everybody has the same basic human rights and then an incident like 9/11 may never have happened. America is the focal point of the Capitalist Dream but it is equally represented I the European Union, just more quietly. Typically the Americans are brasher about it, but most developed nations are taking part in the military coupe in Afghanistan.

How can it be that people would rather get fat on the poverty of others. Do they not feel the terrible weight of injustice, when they see pictures of starving children. I suppose we have become immune to those images these days, preferring to eat the cereals that come from those countries with high tariffs attached rather than give back to these poor nations that which has been stolen from them.

When I see the local people of Africa I see a reason and that reason is us we are responsible for the Globe now and we owe it to the human race to manage resources responsibly for the greater good of mankind, our brothers and sisters.

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apologise to those who read this elsewhere.
 
 
Brigade du jour
22:11 / 19.01.03
inner circle, have a wank will you?

and I thought I was a self-righteous prat ...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:16 / 19.01.03
Oh, I get it. He's trying to warn up about TELEVISION. The drug of the nation. Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation.

I seeee.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
22:16 / 19.01.03
ahem, but isn't your latest spam-job a repeat of what you posted earlier in this thread? Run out of edicts, have we?

icRightThroughYou
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:19 / 19.01.03
What, you mean TV isn't good for us after all? I thought it made us live longer and improved our sexual performance.

Damn.

(Note to self... step away from the thread...)
 
 
000
22:23 / 19.01.03
InnerCircle:

I say all this with no hostility, just a wry sense of amusement. Because, you see, this has come up before: somebody turns up with the best will in the world, offering a guiding principle for the board.

The thing is, though, that the board already has a guiding principle. And it's going to be what it is, rather than what you want it to be.

Trying to remake the board in your own image—or in the image of what you think it should be—is only going to frustrate you. "There's a hole in every revolution," as a nasty man in a comic book once said, "and it's one word long: people."

We'll disappoint you every time.

Newsflash: people come to this board to fulfill all kinds of needs, and not all of them fit in with the agenda that you seem to assume we all share. We are large: we contain multitudes. We are larger than your conception of us. We grow and mutate and change in less time than it takes for you to compose one of your Big Brother-style diktats from the front. We will be what we will be, not what you want us to be.

So I say, in a spirit of friendship to the person behind the name: stop this, now, before it gets ugly. Let your voice be one of the many, instead of being the one voice that speaks for us all.
 
  

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