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New X-Men #135

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
18:58 / 19.12.02
Seriously? I think that Millar's Magneto is so awful that it makes Scott Lobdell's version seem finely nuanced and subtle by comparison.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:45 / 19.12.02
I'm surprised no one has raved about the important bit of the teacher's confrence...

Scott sticks up for Emma and Jean for Logan with wonderful posture abounding.
 
 
CameronStewart
22:57 / 19.12.02
>>>I think this is a better Magneto story than anything that's been published since the mid-80s. <<<

Maybe THIS is the "ultimate Magneto story" Grant mentions in that proposal that's included in the collection...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
00:12 / 20.12.02
So. What do you guys think the "rules" of these conferences are? Why exactly is Jean slowly morphing into Scott (at least posture and outfit wise)? Trying to please him? Feeling that something is amiss?

Begs many questions.
 
 
Persephone
11:30 / 20.12.02
All I know is I purchased this issue expecting Wolverine to have a goatee and, hey, no goatee.

*grin*

But isn't the conference room in Charles's mind? So maybe they can force Wolverine to wear that stupid goatee out in the world, but his friends can still see him properly in their own minds.

I love Xorn... I love that he wrote out his name in four-foot high letters on the chalkboard. So it's the special class that going to come swooping out of the woods to save the Open Day?

Notice how the guys' jackets just have plain ribbing on the bottom, but Beast's has little tails like Emma's and Jean's?
 
 
Sax
11:39 / 20.12.02
That's his dandy feline side coming out.

Xorn and the special class are obviously up for a big "trial by fire" in the woods... perhaps some Deliverance-style hillbillies fancy a piece o' that mutant ass fer kicks.

And I love how QQ's "supervillain costumes" are essentially real clothes rather than some super-smart lycra confections suddenly conjured up by a load of kids... damn sight more realistic. Who the hell wants to wear a body-stocking when you can base a uniform around the ideas of a martyred mutant fashion designer?

Generally, much ass kicked. And compared pound-for-pound against the only other superhero title I picked up yesterday, The Authority Scorched Earth one-shot... oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
 
 
Persephone
11:43 / 20.12.02
Oh, I just noticed... he has the two little buttons on the back, too.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:27 / 20.12.02
Lots to say about this issue, but my initial reaction is one of disappointment. There had been quite a bit of speculation here as to whether the two conflicting viewpoints in 'Riot' (Quire's and Xavier's) would be presented as debatable, potentially equally valid but conflicting ideologies, or a more simple good vs. evil conflict.

Sadly, it looks like we're getting the latter. Quire and his gang have only just started out, and already they've killed people. I don't see how Morrison is going to get out of the fact that by having them kill relative innocents this early on, he's let the cat out of the morally ambiguous bag far too early... (This ties in with the fact, as mentioned in the thread about #134, that we really haven't had the nice, slow build up of this atmosphere of unrest at the school that keeps being mentioned.)

I find this especially worrying given the way that Quire is presented - he's a very close approximation of various activist (or as Xavier would have it, 'agitator') types, and to combine this with also being a drug-crazed murderer is startlingly reactionary. Grant Morrison, counter-revolutionary? It's actually quite plausible...
 
 
The Falcon
14:53 / 20.12.02
Yeah. I liked Quentin's presentation in #134 better, or rather found it a sight more sympathetic. However, some people still insist Magneto is a 'hero' of sorts, despite killing many men. As far as I can make out, Tattoo is the one responsible for the death, though. Quire makes that guy's arm twist back - dunno how.

(By the way, isn't it fortunate that Morrison cleared up that whole Magneto-as-Mandela mess that was waiting to happen?)

And drugs? Well, isn't GM straight-edge now?
 
 
Sax
15:15 / 20.12.02
It also doesn't seem to say much for the Xavier school model... let the kids take what classes they like when they like, let them be themselves, let them do pretty much what they like. Is it paving the way for a more disciplinarian and tightly-controlled atmosphere at the Institute? I mean, if you let the little brats run amok and they just turn into supervillains..?
 
 
Aertho
16:01 / 20.12.02
Did any of those humans that the Omega Gang attacked actually die? Compound fractures and severe burns may have occurred, and Tattoo, the newly intangible, caused a heart attack. Nobody necessarily dies from that though. I hope nobody died. For the reasons brought up, at least.

Grant wanted the students to be aware of the effects of Hypercortisone D. I think his experimentation with drugs in the past was just that -experiments. He wrapped and permeated those experiences with religion and magic, making them ADDITIONAL to his character. Kids who abuse drugs usually do it because of reasons that beocme thier character. His portrayal of Emma using the drug shows just that: Using drugs is something to be done with maturity, understanding, and integrity.

I don't think they're going to become supervillians... like Cyclops assumes. This goes back to oppositional thinking. "If they are not us, the superhero, they must be the opposite of us, the supervillain." I think Wolverine is actually suggesting the Jack Frost approach. If Quentin needs to be remade, give him something like time, compassion, and respect in order to do it. I have a feeling that the Omega Gang may actually be drafted as opposed to "stopped".
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
16:03 / 20.12.02
Just want to point out that Quire doesn't select a random group of humans to attack. These are the same guys who murdered Carnation.
I think "relative innocents" might be stretching things a bit, Flyboy.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:25 / 20.12.02
Xavier says that the "surviving youths" give a description of kids wearing odd clothing, which implies that most of those humans were killed by the Omega Gang.

I'm on the fence about Quire being a villain - in some way, I share some of Flyboy's disappointments, and on the other hand, I think Quire is the best comic book supervillain I've read since Cassandra. I think this comic is way better with a villain in it, it's just a lot more exciting. Even though Quentin isn't quite what some of us wanted him to be, I think his character still rings true. I like the obnoxious, confused teenager parts of his character - he fancies himself a revolutionary now, but he's really just a pretentious gang leader. Very nicely done, I think.

I think that what Lawrence said about how "people who do things rather than talk about them are a lot more interesting" is a fair point, in that I think for the purposes of a superhero story, it may be a lot more exciting if Quire did more than just have a heated debate with the X-Men. Even still, I don't think it's too late to assume that debate won't happen, we've got three more issues to go.
 
 
The Falcon
02:42 / 21.12.02
Was it the same thuggish youths? That was unclear to me. It makes sense, though.

One died - "the surviving youths..." solidly implies a death, and QQ's "We avenged one mutant with sixteen million to go" quantifies it.

All in all, that makes the morality a tad mistier. More pleased now.

(N.B. MillarWorld is jizzing its' pants about this issue. If anyone cares.)
 
 
glassonion
09:58 / 21.12.02
i thought this one was the best yet. love the gang's dennis/minnie sweaters and bovver-boots, and the way this whole isue stank weirdly of the rival gang-war at school atmosphere from so many british childrens' comics ie the way the rem class takes the piss out of xorn constantly, the way quire grows a junior-dredd chin for the fight.

and more: the fight needed a lot of looking at to straighten out, but not in the bad way this usually implies. the kids and their powers - found redneck's radiant hands an oddly touching [sorry] superpower, imagined the nights of cold he must have saved his family from. and 'jelly-grip' yeah right thats why all globs fightiing is only just in frame. can't wait for beak to go swan and fly with angel [swans mate for life, angels too are very faithful]. i though 'i am that blackbird' was a really good line. emma took kick. but what would happen if scott took it, the way his head is at the moment?

and even more:
later
 
 
Char Aina
11:08 / 21.12.02
when is the first trade out for the morrison run?
has there been one mentioned?

i dont really want to buy the issues, but i feel like it would be a good thing to eventually read...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:08 / 21.12.02
There are currently 4 collections out of Grant's NXM run. The newest came out this week. There's E Is For Extinction, which collects 114-117; Imperial, which collects 118-126; the New X-Men hardcover, which collects 114-126 + the 2001 annual; and New Worlds, which collects 127-133. 134-140 will be released in May 2003 and will be titled Riot At Xavier's.

I'm worried about Scott. In this issue, Tattoo phases her arm though that guy and gives him a heart attack - on the cover of #137, she phases her hand through Scott's HEAD.
 
 
Persephone
13:31 / 21.12.02
can't wait for beak to go swan

*sharp intake of breath*

That would be beautiful, though I can't help feeling wrong about wanting that. Shouldn't I just love Beak as ugly as he is?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
14:26 / 21.12.02
Having been brought back into the X-fold by Flyboy's comments about Quentin Quire vis-a-vis the Interwebnet preview of this issue, I think I share his disappointment with how this has turned out. Turning Quentin's gang into a bunch of hopped-up killer mutants is counter-revolutionary - there should at least be some "mutant separatists" who are sympathetic characters - you know, an autonomous mutant collective that doesn't admit humans or something. The "drug", so far, is a hack motif that doesn't promise to be developed at all, unless Emma's comments are foreshawdowing of what's to come.

Xavier's school letting human's in on "Open Day" - forgive me if I don't understand, but does this mean that humans are to be let in as students? That might be cool indeed, as it would possibly lead to Morrison flexing his "we are all potential superhumans/mutants" mojo in a new way. Can Xavier teach baseline humans to become mutants? Perhaps with the help of this drug...
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:43 / 21.12.02
you know, an autonomous mutant collective that doesn't admit humans or something.

This is what the island of Genosha was.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:44 / 21.12.02
Well, there are pros and cons for humans going to the Xavier Institute as students - on one hand, they can take advantage of the school's incredible technology resources and experimental learning environment, and on the other hand they have to deal with superpowered anti-human peers and the fact that the mansion seems to get attacked at least once a year. I doubt humans are being let in to the school to be taught how to be mutants, but to be able to live in a world where humans and mutants coexist. It's part of Xavier's integrationalist agenda, and it's a good thing for the comic. I remember it was only a couple of months ago that Laurence was going on about why there were no humans in New X-Men, and this fixes that logical problem very well.

As for the Omega Gang being on drugs - it's not as if real life revolutionaries and extremists haven't been on drugs, and that the people who were in control of the status quo haven't tried to dismiss their ideas out of hand because of that fact. In some ways, I think that it would be just as questionable if Quentin et al were portrayed as rabid straight-edgers.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
21:09 / 21.12.02
Just want to point out that Quire doesn't select a random group of humans to attack. These are the same guys who murdered Carnation.

Y'know, I don't know why that didn't occur to me. Makes perfect sense, now that I think about it. Why didn't I realize before...? Ohhhhh yeah...the whole "constantly revolving art roster" thing.
 
 
FinderWolf
04:20 / 22.12.02
Anyone else notice that Quentin's groups look is just like Morrison's revamped Queen Bee (old JLA villain) from the end of his JLA run? Purple hair, striped purple and orange outfit. Funky!!

I'm loving this book. Quitely is the best, each issue leaves me drooling for me, something that no X-Men book has done for me in about 10 years until Grant M. came along. The debate about how to handle disciple problem kids (crack down hard on 'em or give 'em some slack) is always relevant and clearly, the script wasn't meant to make us buy one argument much more than the other - both sides were presented equally, despite character reactions like a condescending little smile from Jean as Scott towed the 'they need limits and boundaries!' line.

And when the heck are we going to find out more about what Scott and Emma have been up to!?!??!

Just when I thought Grant M. was ignoring Wolvie, he writes this great scene, even incorporating one of Claremont's old speech rhythms for Logan (which I can't recall now - it's something bout the grammar of the line where he says "Man's the same [as he's] ever been" or something like that.

I love Xorn!! I love the fact that the kids make fun of him!!!

Why are we only seeing 3 Cuckoos in that telepathy class scene? Grant made such a big deal about them being 5 in the last issue. And are we to understand from Quire's pining last issue that one of them has a name, and that name is "Sophie"? I forget - did Grant M. give them individual names earlier in the series?
 
 
FinderWolf
04:21 / 22.12.02
Oh, and I wondered what the deal was with letting humans in also. Letting them in for tours & such or accepting them as students? The latter is kinda bizarre considering it's a school for mutants and humans with no powers would be kinda useless there, don'cha think?
 
 
The Falcon
11:13 / 22.12.02
Two of the cuckoos have been named: Esme (in #123) and Sophie (in #134).

Impulsivelad, Genosha was composed of humans, mutates (genetically-engineered mutants) and mutants. Latterly, I believe the majority population was mutants though. (Another South Africa parallel that I'm glad was scotched.)

I knew all that time spent reading Fabian Nicieza's dreadful comics as a teen would come in useful!
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:38 / 22.12.02
I was a bit disappointed, mainly because the drug is a crutch for the extremeness of Quire's changes (the structuring of the last two issues suggests to me that learning he was adopted and this secondary mutation thing have thrown him off balance, but it was the drug that made him bad. And it's the drug that'll probably paralyse or kill him in the last issue so that Xavier won't have to do anything nasty and will be able to blame the drug for him thinking Xavier's dream is a crock of shit.

I'm also a bit annoyed that there's so much storytelling going on round the edges of the comic that Grant can't manage to catch the balls all at once. Why is Jean in Japan? What happened between Scott and Emma after that last issue we saw them together? Why was Logan in Afghanistan? Why, for that matter, was Fantomex? Where is Dust? Why did we not hear about the Open Day until it was practically upon us?

Otherwise, great artwork as per, and despite being intellectually compromised I'm interested to see whether Quire is going to rebel in a clever enough way based on the fact he's supposed to be a super-genius telepath but at the moment is coming off as a bit of a dickhead who just needs to get laid.
 
 
bigsunnydavros
21:48 / 22.12.02
I loved this issue.
It had great art (QUITELY!) a fun, soapy story and a tighter sense of plot than we've been used to recently.

Would have dissapointed by the fact that the Omega Gang are so obviously villanous were it not for the fact that Quentin and co seem to me to be pretty much the best villains I've read in a superhero comic in quite some time. I still love Quentin, and I'm very interested by the fact that (for once) the drugged up revolutionary kids are the "bad guys" in a Grant Morrison comic.

They fit into the context of the book so naturally though- If you've got a school which is supposed to be so radical and revolutionary, then there would be a chance of it all going very, very wrong.

Sure- I expected things to be more level in terms of who was "right" and who was "wrong", but I still think that we've got a very interesting set up here. Raises questions about how they'll be dealt with, how this will affect the open day and school structure and so on.

Plus they look amazing- both silly and menacing. Quitely is the man. Denace the Menace gone all shiny and American and Ultraviolent.

The Omega Gang are quite interestingly set off by the "Special Class", don't you think? These kids are awkward and unhappy and stuff, but don't seem to have the OTT anger about them that Quentin and co have. I really can't wait to see how this develops, and I think that this subplot is going to be very important.

And hey- more Xorn!

YAY!

He's so goofy and lovely and I really just can't get enough of him.

As to who is stalking them, I dunno myself, but for some reason I feel like the U-Men could be comming back soon. Dunno why... probably just the fact that I wanna see that idea developed a bit further.

The drug plot is a bit odd- but it's also potentially very interesting in terms of where it could lead the story, I think. I wanna see if it catches on/what it's long term effects are/how this ties in to secondary mutations (if it does at all).

As I said, it was still a bit unexpected. Grant Morrison=yer school master now. Wierd.

The conference room was amazing... Wolverine actually felt like *gasp* a character for a brief moment there. Really small scene, but it set up the next three issues so much in terms of making me really curious as to how the X-Guys and Gals are gonna handle this whole thing.

It's not the story some of us were wanting it to be--it's more old-school than that-- but I think it's gonna be a good old-school romp, updated for the modern world... what can I say: I liked it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:35 / 22.12.02
But are Quentin's gang really that angry? It seems like Quire is the only one who is really angry and militant. Tattoo seems to be hanging onto Quentin because she's into 'powerful men' in a very one-dimensional way which is sort of insulting, really. Glob doesn't seem to be very invested in it at all, and mostly involved because Quentin is apparently his only friend. And it's mentioned that Quentin is telepathically influencing them, which is a problematic cop-out because why can't Quentin's ideas be enough to get a little gang together? It's a little too simplistic and convenient for the activist leader of a gang to be a mutant with charisma powers. It suggests that those kids are dumb and shallow, and I don't like that at all.
 
 
bigsunnydavros
22:48 / 22.12.02
Yeah- Yer right about all the stuff with the kids in The Omega Gang.

Kinda amusing, in a way, cause of how Quentin was moaning about how charisma and surface sheen in the last issue. It may be the point (he is every bit as reliant on his powers and surface sheen for his pals as those he hated last issue (perhaps even more so) but is a lot more harmful with it), but it does seem to suggest that the kids are shallow and gullable, as you said... s'not fair to "the kids".

Hmmm... away to think about this some more...
 
 
some guy
23:27 / 22.12.02
why can't Quentin's ideas be enough to get a little gang together?

Because Xavier's are better.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
06:30 / 23.12.02
But if Xavier is Martin Luther King where is Malcolm X? The Panthers? The Mutant Nation of Islam?
 
 
The Natural Way
08:31 / 23.12.02
Well, they took a bit of a hammering in Genosha.... Quentin's crew are the new breed.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:56 / 23.12.02
-why can't Quentin's ideas be enough to get a little gang together?-

Because Xavier's are better.


Ah, that doesn't make much sense. Just because Xavier has good ideas doesn't mean he has the only ideas, and that a militant anti-integrationalist group at the school couldn't attract a fair few kids who are rightfully scared of humans due to bad experiences in their pasts.
 
 
The Falcon
13:00 / 23.12.02
Quentin's gang is ascribed to his telepathy by the X-Men. But - Xavier's a telepath, too. This has been touched on before in the X-Men; the suspicion that they might be being a little manipulated.
 
 
some guy
15:37 / 23.12.02
why can't Quentin's ideas be enough to get a little gang together?
Because Xavier's are better.

Ah, that doesn't make much sense. Just because Xavier has good ideas doesn't mean he has the only ideas


Of course. But they are still better ideas. All opinions aren't equal, and just because QQ has become a mouthpiece doesn't mean that what he's saying should carry much weight.

and that a militant anti-integrationalist group at the school couldn't attract a fair few kids who are rightfully scared of humans due to bad experiences in their pasts.

I just have a hard time accepting this, based on the school's history and the teacher characters. Maybe it would help if Morrison actually wrote a story instead of forcing us to assume things between issues, but I think we really need to see why Quire could attract kids at a school where they are exposed to Xavier's ideals.
 
  

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