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Punji Steak
16:04 / 16.09.02
"Plus, of course, the scousers steal wallets from the dead at Hillsborough... "

Sorry, I've never posted before but I must ask, can you elaborate on the above statement please Haus?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:37 / 16.09.02
Tabloid press reaction to the disaster. Liverpool fans were accused of desecrating the corpses in a number of ways.

Has cyclepathGIRL done a lil' dove on us?
 
 
gridley
16:58 / 16.09.02
Awww.... Lil Dove reminds me of the puppies....
 
 
cyclepathGIRL
17:06 / 16.09.02
I've not done a bunk on you lot.


Just can't get my head round all this pirate/ninja banter. It's twisting my melon!


At the end of the day, I more concerned by the fact that some people on here have the sheer cheek to out themselves as gypsies. This is not cool. End of.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:18 / 16.09.02
Okay, so it's not "cool". Big fucking deal. As if I had a choice who my ancestors were.
 
 
cyclepathGIRL
17:21 / 16.09.02
Sorry, I shouldn't judge people but at the end of the day if you didn't want to be called a tramp then you should have kept quiet about being a gypo.

Did any of your ansestors ever take part in any bare knuckle fights? I'm reading a book about that sorta thing at the moment.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:34 / 16.09.02
So is this irony, are you a revolutionary maverick, or are you just fond of making racist statements, cyclepathGIRL? Could you inform us as to which other racial groups you don't like, and why?
 
 
Lurid Archive
17:37 / 16.09.02
Gypsies and tramps, eh? Thats the sort of thing that usually gets a really big response. Is Barbelith becoming apathetic or unflappable? I suppose it is always good to be nice to someone new.
 
 
Lurid Archive
17:40 / 16.09.02
I was wondering about the irony and "testing the boundaries" quotient, sfd. But does it really make any difference?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:41 / 16.09.02
Did any of your ansestors ever take part in any bare knuckle fights?

Are you really this dumb?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:47 / 16.09.02
Lurid - I was being sarcastic, and hopefully giving cpG the chance to explain hirself. I'm angry and personally offended by hir remarks, and was trying not to jump in all shouty for a change....
 
 
cyclepathGIRL
17:51 / 16.09.02
Too answer your question shortfatdyke - I'm not a racist at all (although perhaps I suffer from slight Islamophobia) infact, when I go on a night out with all my friends we resemble a Benneton advert.


I asked about the bare-knuckle fighting because I'm reading a book on the history of boxing and I've just got a part about gypsys who would fight for cash. Beats working those fairgrounds I suppose ......
 
 
that
17:57 / 16.09.02
*smacks self in forehead in total disbelief*

Un-fucking-real. You do realise that you've shot straight to the top in the utter stupidity stakes, right, cyclepathGIRL? There's no way that this should be glossed over... and a new thread about this issue is certainly a good idea, just so long as that does not entail ignoring what's going on here - this thread is where the prejudice is happening, and where it should be addressed.

It is NOT ok to make comments like that about gypsies or any other racial/cultural/subcultural/etc. etc. group. I like to think that it will NOT be let slide on this message board, not now and not fucking ever.
 
 
cyclepathGIRL
18:05 / 16.09.02
What now?


(snigger)
 
 
Shortfatdyke
18:06 / 16.09.02
cpG - read your own posts on this thread back and see if your comments on Gypsies aren't at the very, very least incredibly stereotyped, offensive and ignorant. So you go out with people who aren't white. Good for you. That doesn't make any of your statements about Gypsies any less racist. Can you not see what some of us are getting at here?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:15 / 16.09.02
Actually, I think it's a bit more complicated than that, Chol (and I think this thread is now completely compromised, so if another thread does start I would like it to be a more general examination of the principles at work here, rather than trying to decide whether CyclepathGIRL is really that dumb, which could in fact be the topic, since somebody failed to put in a topic abstract to guide the conversation).

In a sense, CyclepathGIRL is pretty much free to say what she likes, as long as she does not become such a pain in the arse that Tom ends up booting her. She's clearly looking for attention (vide the surprisingly frequent coy references to all the naughty stuff she likes to do in bed, and of course the fact that one of her first posts was a kind invitation for us all to ask questions about her), but if that were a sin on Barbelith we'd have goddamn tumbleweeds. If we believe that she is being a (and this is my new, shiny, Six Feet Under-inspired catchphrase) fucking moron, we have the freedom to tell her that she is being a fucking moron, in a variety of handy and descriptive fashions.

Hopefully, the fact that people are calling her a fucking moron, or alternatively explaining slowly, carefully and gently why, although she is obviously a very intelligent young person, her behaviour could be seen as fucking moronic in this instance, will make her, and indeed all of us, think more about who we are and how we think about other people.

Except the muslims and the black folks. Obviously. They don't think like us. Speaking of which, I saw this TV program where two black men were fighting for cash. "World Championship Boxing", I think it was called. Crazy what those black folks will do, huh?

However, to get back on off-topic; it's a bit like the "cunt" question. Some people on Barbelith are very offended by the use of the word "cunt" as an insult or derogatory term in general, some by its use specifically as a term of abuse directed metonymically at women (there's quite an involved thread in the Head Shop about this, fact fans). Others use it much as others would use "fellow", or indeed "the". It is entirely fair and right that people shoudl be able to make their views on this issue felt, but if we were getting to the stage where use of the term would mean, say, instant booting with no appeal, I think the board would be a much less safe space in general.

People have the right to say stupid, offensive, charmless and (yes, it's that term again) fucking moronic things on Barbelith, within reason. Other people have the right to re-educate, inform, chastise or just abuse them right back. It's an open system.

If I were a Conversation moderator, I would probably observe in vatic manner that this is the sort of thing that lurking before posting might help with, but never mind.
 
 
cyclepathGIRL
18:28 / 16.09.02
The remarks I made about gypsies were heartfelt and I refuse to take them back. I think they are trampy and thats just my humble opinion. I'd like all the people who have had a pop at me for saying these things to answer me honestly on this next question - Have you ever met a real live gypsy before?

If the answer is yes then I'll respect what you have to say, I may even probe you about your experience on meeting the tramp. But - and remember I said I want honest answers - if you tell me that you havent and your just sticking your nose in and getting hyper sensitive over a very random remark then I'll be forced to ban you from my posts from now on.


I don't have time for anyone who jumps on the PC bandwagon at the drop of a hat.



And I can't believe how lacking in a sense of humour some of the people on here are.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:30 / 16.09.02
I agree. What are they, black or something?

(God, that *never* gets old!)


(Whoo. Tough crowd.)
 
 
Lurid Archive
18:39 / 16.09.02
Just in case this isn't clear, cpG, Barbelith tends to take a very dim view of rascism. Calling Gypsies tramps and generally being derogatory about them might possibly be understandable if you have had some unpleasant experiences. Even then, an unwillingness to examine your feelings and opinions wouldn't go down well.

If you think that what you are seeing is PC gone *mad*, then you obviously need to be told that most of us are barking.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:43 / 16.09.02
PC bandwagon! Humourless! Is it that time already?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:43 / 16.09.02
Might also be worth considering whether gypsies are always tramps, tramps are always gypsies, all gypsies are tramps or all tramps are gypsies...
 
 
Kase Taishuu
18:45 / 16.09.02
I'd like all the people who have had a pop at me for saying these things to answer me honestly on this next question - Have you ever met a real live gypsy before?

all right, so we can assume you *have* met a real live gypsy, then? Have you more than once? What did those encounters consisted of?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
18:47 / 16.09.02
Barbelith is a discussion and debating forum where people are supposed to talk, argue and examine what they believe in. You know, think and hopefully learn something. Making blanket statements and hitting the ignore button when someone disagrees is a pretty poor use of this place.

At least two members of this Board are of Romany/Gypsy descent. This has been pointed out to you, cpG, and still you're making offensive comments. As has also been pointed out, you do have the right to do this. But then I also have the right to call you on your racist shit.
 
 
Kase Taishuu
18:48 / 16.09.02
(mental note: remember to proofread before pressing "post reply".)
 
 
Lurid Archive
18:50 / 16.09.02
I thought that being a humourless PC bore was a prerequisite for coming on Barbelith. I studied sooo hard for those exams and now you're telling me people can get in willy nilly? pah.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:51 / 16.09.02
Actually, SFD, nobody mentioned the ignore button. The phrase was "ban you from my posts". Not sure quite how that works...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:51 / 16.09.02
They can get out just as easily.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:55 / 16.09.02
Not, I should add, that I necessarily think that should happen. I'd like to imagine that cyclepathGIRL is going to be prepared to actually think before she posts any reply. I'd like to think that anyone who's joined Barbelith is open to having their views challenged and opinions changed through intelligent debate. Just, if that's not going to happen, you know where the door is.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
18:55 / 16.09.02
Hmm. Haus - I assumed ze was referring to the ignore button... unless Tom has devised a new facility where one can talk to oneself at the click of a mouse... but then, that's usually called a Blog, isn't it?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:59 / 16.09.02
I rather like the idea of being able to select who you will allow to see your posts. That way you could only let people who agree with you read what you are writing....

Hmmm...

Tom! Make it so!
 
 
videodrome
19:28 / 16.09.02
Meanwhile, I want to know where this 'history of boxing' comes from...I suspect it's actually the Snatch tie-in novel by Peter David. Been looking for a copy of that, meself. I'll trade my copy of Vonda McIntyre's Star Trek IV novel.
 
 
cyclepathGIRL
20:53 / 16.09.02
The book is called "the History of Boxing and it's Legends" (or something of that nature, also i don't have the book with me rigth now so I can't go see who the author is). If you seriously want to know about it then I'll find out more details for you.


Now (deep breath). Back to the point.....


The fact that one flippant remark from myself has caused this much hysteria leaves me with one or two conclusions.


1. I take my point of view about gypsys no more seriously than I would do if someone were to say they hated my favourite movie or song. Thats life, people have differences in opinion.

2. The fact that what I said has been brought to such a high level of debate worries me. I hear things everyday that I disagree with but I don't take it personally. It's not like I'm giving someone a personality assassanation by saying that gypsys are tramps. I think some of you should chill the fuck out and stop being so self absorbed.

3. Im also troubled by how agrumentitive some of the posters on here are. Very easy to snare.

I've mentioned that I may well be Islamophobic. This isn't something I'm saying to be shocking or attention seeking, I really mean it. Why did that statement get brushed to the side? Are gypsys more easily offended than Muslims and thats why no-one felt the need to stick up for them????


Before I registered on her with a sign in name I would enjoy having a read at some of the refreshing banter that is on here (I used to go onto the old board as well before it all changed about) but I never realised how PC the posters on here were.


But fuck it, while the shit is being stirred then I'd like to make a complaint about teh way ninjas have be branded "shite" and "rubbish" by some of the racist posters on here. That is allowed isn't it?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
21:24 / 16.09.02
Lots of things are allowed. The question is whether you should do 'em.

You - anyone - want to salvage what is otherwise about to become a very familiar bunfight/burn the witch moment? Here's what we do:

cyclepathGIRL - or someone else - posts new discussions in which she - or someone else - examines her preconceptions and invites comment.

Others do this calmly, because they don't want to stamp on her from a great height, they want to explain and persuade.

Everyone takes a deep Buckminster Fuller-stylee breath and says "okay, this is where I make my life anew, and I make the world work".

And we see whether, rather than turning this into a very one-sided slanging match, we can make happy out of bad.

War or peace? What are they worth to you?
 
 
cyclepathGIRL
21:31 / 16.09.02
I'm a luver, not a hater. Peace and one luv and all that jazz. I'm feeling good vibes from you Nick. But I refuse be nothing but honest about what I think about certain things. I'll happily listen to other peoples opinions about stuff but I'm not gonna tip-toe about other peoples principles.


It's up to them if they choose to take me so seriously.
 
 
paw
22:01 / 16.09.02
hi CPG, i think the big question is... do you like the invisibles?
 
  

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