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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

12:29 / 13.09.02

...god damn them mouth-breathin' landlubber ninja motherfuckers...

Our Lady of The Two Towers

13:15 / 13.09.02

pivo Tim tams are no way better than penguins.

We've found a witch! May we burn them?

13:23 / 13.09.02

No seriously, don't you think that pirates would be the mouth-breathers? Because mouth-breathing is loud, and pirates are loud. And they could always just hold their breath while they drink. And ninjas have to be quiet & they do all those breathing exercises.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

13:29 / 13.09.02

Mouth-breathing doesn't have to be loud. We Ninjas know the secret of breathing quietly. If need-be, through the ears. Pirates, on the other hand, can barely work out the mechanics of eating without a handbook.

(Whoever was asking about the debate, it's simple. You're either a ninja or a pirate. Ninjas rock, TOTALLY FLIP OUT and do cool things. Pirates are drunken, ineffectual wearers of kingsize baby-grows made of taffeta.)

cyclepathGIRL - why the name? It's got several connotations I can think of, I'm curious as to which one(s) you intended...

15:52 / 13.09.02

Uh huh. I trust that answers your question Pivo.

Now do you see how dangerous it is to establish a BISCUIT dichotmy in this place?!
Where will the madness end?

15:56 / 13.09.02

What do you do for kicks?

Our Lady of The Two Towers

16:35 / 13.09.02

Swing my leg back and forth- oh sorry, you weren't addressing me...

17:29 / 13.09.02

Hey cyclepathGIRL,

I know a few people from up bonnie Scotland, east or west?

One thing Nick failed to mention is that Ninjas can do drunken kungfu with style, whereas Pirates just fall over!

I decided after many months deliberation that I'm with the ninja lot. I figured that I like cats, cats are slinky, ninja like even, so by liking them I'm declaring myself a ninja ... not sure that makes sense, but hey its Friday so WEEEEEEEE..

17:39 / 13.09.02

I'm lost on the whole pirate/ninja thang I"m affraid! But I"d rather be a ninja than a pirate. Better clothes and moves.

The tim-tams or whatever you call them biscuit Q isn't really my shout. I don't like biscuits so I couldn't possibly give a fair answer.

The name comes from one of my designs (Federation for Cyclepaths) and I kinda liked the idea of using it as a screen-name. Think what you like of it, thats the idea!

What do I do for kicks.....Hmmmmmm, where do I begin! If you mean in the innocent sorta cosy way (like how they do it in that movie Amelie when they talk you through all the characters showing what they get enjoyment from eg- popping bubble wrap and cleaning out handbags) then my answers would be; the feeling of my skin when I get into bed after it has just had new clean, crisp bed linen put on it, the sound of wine being poured into a glass, the night time smell in the air at summer, the thrill I get when I start to read a new book, my first cigarette of the day, hearing music that makes my heart ache and......well the other things I enjoy are much too naughty to say. I wouldn't want to scare you all off so soon!

If I had a million $ but I didn't have contact with my family Q - The answer would have to be that I'd decline the cash and stay in touch with my family. They can be annoying at times but I think it's good to have contact with people who knew you when you were young, innocent and unaffected by the bullshit we attach to ourselves as we get older.

17:41 / 13.09.02

I'm from the Westcoast, the coolest part of Scotland.

Nah I'm only kiddin, I aint no rapper. I got luv for dem Eastcoast hommies.

18:46 / 13.09.02

'm lost on the whole pirate/ninja thang I"m affraid! But I"d rather be a ninja than a pirate. Better clothes and moves.

What? No, no, no. I'm afraid you're sadly mistaken. Ninjas wear silly footie pajamas. Pirates have style. They have flair. Their clothes have color.

As for moves, that shouldn't matter much. While the ninjas are doing their whole chop-soki stuff, calling out funny names before they attack like "Doped up spider monkey with a frontal lobotomy kick" and posing dramatically, the pirates can just run them through with a cutlass.

21:21 / 13.09.02

I'm sorry, I'm not havin that pirates are the cool thing to be!Lets do a little test on the pirate/ninja debate then....

If a pirate was to be compared to a modern day equivilent then you have to take into account the "broken english" type lingo, the drinking, moving around alot without a steady home (on ships), bedding woman in every port, open collered shirts and enough jewellery to fill a page out of the Argos cataloge = A gypsy aka tink, tramp, fairground worker. No my cup of cha I'm affraid amigo!

Ninjas have style and they go for the minimalistic look. Their whole being is all about the mind and spiritual forces. They can fight like fuck and they can dance.

Wot say you?

21:33 / 13.09.02

I want to get back to this Tim Tams bit.

You mean...there's somthing better than Penguins? Over at the Pork Store we used to have drawers and freezerdoors fulla Penguins and if there's something better...

Well, I may faint.

And not to belabor the N/v/P bit but remember: Pirates = Instantly Drunk.

Tryphena Absent

23:35 / 13.09.02

Pirates - gunpowder.
Ninjas - bad weapons, bad, I mean just because you get to jump super high blah blah. Well, it doesn't make you better, it makes you worse.

There are many items of a confectionary persuasion that rate higher than penguins, I vote Buttons and those hearts you get in Haribo Starmix.

07:17 / 14.09.02

Pirates are a bunch of gypsies??? Arrr...you be headin' for a keelhaulin' right quickly. Dare I draw to your attention that pirates come in many varieties. There is actually a so-called "gentleman pirate" who speaks Oxford english, dresses in co-ordinating colours and doesn't go for the ostentatious ornamentation and standard issue cutlass (they use rapiers, which is silly, or they use longswords, which is better). For some odd reason this particular class of pirate is always pictured running the show on those Sunday Matinee movies they used to show on BBC2 (Captain Blood, anyone?).

Of course, the grog-swilling, off-key shanty singing, hornpipe dancing, cutlass wielding, pegleg-sporting, non-matching outfit wearing type of pirate has lots more fun, not to mention parrots.

Oh, and my questions to you:
- Vegetarian or Carnivore?
- Red wine or white wine?
- Quiet evening in or loud evening out?
- There was a fad where Gregorian chanting made it into the charts about ten years ago. Remember that? Discuss.

08:03 / 14.09.02

(Not wanting to threadrot again BUT)
Ninjas - bad weapons, bad, I mean just because you get to jump super high blah blah. Well, it doesn't make you better, it makes you worse.

Janina? Hello? Like, throwing stars? Piratres will still be messing around with the fuse on your cannon when they get, like, throwing-starred to death by a pair of totally flipped-out Ninjas.

09:34 / 14.09.02

I'm actually warming to the idea of pirates.....if only because I just had a flash back to that movie The Princess Bride. There were pirates in that who seemed kinda alright.

Carnivore, but don't do much red meat.

Red vino.

Loud night out or cosy night in?....Depends who I'm with.

Gregorian chanting?..... Gregorian?.......Chanting?

The Return Of Rothkoid

12:06 / 14.09.02

P to the Aleface is just belaboring the throwing stars because we won't sell him full strength grog. Saki my arse.

Videodrome: Tim-Tams. Come visit and be converted.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:52 / 14.09.02

If a pirate was to be compared to a modern day equivilent then you have to take into account the "broken english" type lingo, the drinking, moving around alot without a steady home (on ships), bedding woman in every port, open collered shirts and enough jewellery to fill a page out of the Argos cataloge = A gypsy aka tink, tramp, fairground worker. No my cup of cha I'm affraid amigo!

Could be worse. Could be kikes. Or chinks. Which ninjas are.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

12:55 / 14.09.02

I wouldn't want to scare you all off so soon!

Have you read some of the threads here? You're more likely to trigger a stampede.

As for the whole Ninja/Pirate thing - looks like it might be time for some more Team Sports...

Jack The Bodiless

13:13 / 14.09.02

cyclepathGIRL: "I'm actually warming to the idea of pirates.....if only because I just had a flash back to that movie The Princess Bride. There were pirates in that who seemed kinda alright."

Ah, yes... the Dread Pirate Roberts, aka Westley the farm boy. A truly cool pirate. Because he dressed and acted like a ninja. Do you see?

Rothkoid - 'grog'? You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

14:00 / 14.09.02

Yeah, Westley the farmboy was a lean mean fighting machine when he got into a ruck so I'm still sticking to liking the ninjas. I fancied him like mad when I saw that movie.

Can someone please explain why there is such a despute over all this ninja / gypsy thing. I feel perplexed by the whole thing, have I missed out on some global debate?

And in reply to not wanting to scare anyone off by saying what i do for kicks - well I'm just not the type of girl to volunteer that kinda information....unless I was coaxed into it!

Tryphena Absent

14:08 / 14.09.02

Look you, once a pirate gets to light the fuse than loads of you ninjas are going to die all at the same time. Then you'll be laughing on the other side of your face... plus have you ever read Asterix? Well pirates survive everything!

15:18 / 14.09.02

Funny old world - after over a month away, I come back, see a point I want to make and Haus beats me to it. Just like the old days.

As Haus has already said what I wanted to [with far more style - I would have meandered my way around the edges of it], I'll just settle for a quick ramble.

My gran was a romany, and her family had travelled Ireland for as long as they could remember. Grandad's family made their living running for bookies and so on, which they carried on when they moved to England. One of the things that I remember being taught at their knees was, even if we were descended from gypsies [and a bloody good class of gypsies at that] at least we weren't tinkers. Or worse - travellers.

And when I grew up, it struck me that even when you're in the shit, you can still construct a class system. It still makes me smile to think of Grandad foaming at the mouth whenever anyone made the gypsies=tinkers equation.

In answer to cyclepath's q, the ninja/pirate thing is a long-running saga of homeric proportions, which may never have an end. Or a point, for that matter. Still, I'm with the pirates anyday. Self control was never my thing.

Rounding off, a question of my own. What are your feelings on marmite?

15:35 / 14.09.02

Being part Gypsy myself (or tramp, as cpG so nicely put it) my question would be - if we ever meet, what would you bet on me stealing from you first?

Good start!

16:37 / 14.09.02

Could be worse. Could be kikes. Or chinks. Which ninjas are.

Hausybabes, I'd check a map of the world or a history book, either of which will readily enlighten you as to the difference between China and Japan and the fact that Ninjas come from the latter. Hence, they are not usually "Chinks". Other than that minor detail, we are in complete agreement.

17:06 / 14.09.02

And rushing in to correct a HausPoint(tm): In derogatory, racially insensitive slang, ninjas would be "nips".

ONLY NICE THINGS

08:59 / 16.09.02

Bill, Grey Area, dear hearts, is it perhaps possible that I was using the wrong term of racial abuse to simulate ignorance? Do you think that's ever so slightly possible? Do you think it might be more likely, for example, that simple little me had failed to grasp the rather basic world culture 101 fact that Ninjas are Japanese? You may append "you nest of simpletons" wheresoever you mill.

Although, of course, there is reference in the Art of War to espionage, tho' that proves nothing because it was available in Japan within a few centuries of being written. Popular iconography has the way of the Ninja (Ninja being a Chinese pronunciation, IIRC, of shinobi-no-mono) imported from China during the Tang dynasty, but there seems to be no corroborating evidence for that; the first actions really describable as ninjaing people (or failing to ninja people) in the traditionally understood sense crop up in Japan in the 14th century..

Why am I even having this conversation? Jesus....

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

14:06 / 16.09.02

OY! You fuckers. Chill out.

Let's gloss over the "gypsy/tinker" thing, like, really quickly, because it seemed very ill-advised from the word go, and get to the FACTS.

Pirates= rock harder than an entire plateau of realy rockin' gazelles.

Ninjas= a bit poo, really.

So NER.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:15 / 16.09.02

Actually, the interesting thing about ninjas is that, historically, they *do* seem to have been a bit shit. At least in their role as assassins - there doesn't seem to be any record of a daimyo being killed successfully by a ninja, although one was shot twice in the chest by a ninja hiding in long grass (many ninja strategems seem to involve lying down in long grass. If the flymo had been invented, the Koga region would have had to become famous for fudge or something), and another lost seven men from his retinue, who were hit by a cannon fired by three ninja.

It is interesting to note:

a) That firing a cannon is a fucking funny way to uphold the silent and deadly thing.

and

b) The failure of this stratagem may have soured relations between pirates and ninjas forever.

Still, what would I know about ninjas, eh? eh?

14:37 / 16.09.02

Have pirates and ninjas never been crossbred? Kind of aquatic based robbery tongs (with artillery)? Maybe they need to as way to transcend this whole ninja/pirate dichotomy?

Then we take out dem goddamn gypsies.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:40 / 16.09.02

And then the Jews.

14:49 / 16.09.02

Being part Gypsy myself (or tramp, as cpG so nicely put it) my question would be - if we ever meet, what would you bet on me stealing from you first?

The new Barbelith game: Gippo or Scouser?

Gippos get to wear stripy shirts and tight jeans, but Scousers have cool shell suits.

Scousers drive stolen Ford Escorts, while Gippoes ride the Waltzers on the fair.

They both nick stuff off you. But only Gippoes shit in your garden. Although some Scousers do when they go to pop festivals to sell drugs and counterfeit tickets.

Sheesh.

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:02 / 16.09.02

Plus, of course, the scousers steal wallets from the dead at Hillsborough...

We're The Great Old Ones Now

15:41 / 16.09.02

Okay, may I suggest that those of you who want to talk about prejudice against Gypsies - or anyone else - start a thread about it and get it out in the open. It's a valid topic, but the en passant approach is only going to rile, and you have to ask yourselves what you want - change someone's mind or tell them they're stoopid?

In the meantime, cyclepathGIRL appears to have vanished.

Ah, me.

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