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The Filth #4

 
  

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The Falcon
01:08 / 20.09.02
Yeah, I just want it to address paedophilia, in some overt way, because it's the #1 real life horror available currently. In a suburban way.

Greg/Ned/Replacement Ned, okay, yeah, I get it. None of them exist in our 'oversphere', either. Thanks...
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
08:43 / 20.09.02
The truth of the matter is that, when Osiris is off civilizing the world, Set is plotting Claudiusian villainy. While X and Phoenix are staring somberly at the ruins of Genosha, Cyclops and The White Queen are engaged in the hottest, longest bout of sweaty foreplay this side of Hamlet and Ophelia. When Ned Slade is off "fighting the good fight" and "doing his part" and "giving a damn" (the way some schmucks give a pint of blood, not for genetic experimentation and biological weapons R&D, but for the "less fortunate," as if we aren't all survivors of the same traumatically cosmic bowel movement) and "making the world a better place for our side". . .

Well, whilst Special Negotiator Ned Slade, who seems to have been recognized and utilized by The Hand as having the subtle mutant ability to accidentally and effortlessly kill his most talented teammates is off doing all that, Greg Feely is sodomizing and murdering children, and making sure that the whole filthy neighborhood of his knows it. Just to see what the bastards'll do about it. What the fuck does "Greg" care? He's a fucking para-personality, a fiction-suit, a scratched LP, a costume. He's the grotesque result of Denzel Washington in "Training Day" raping Ian McKellan in "Apt Pupil" and he's fucking loving this fun little life of his. Isn't that right, wee one? Here kitty, kitty. . .

Waking up to that first moment of awareness, of life, of the awesome majesty that is one's being. . .staring at one's hands, imagining all of the glorious futures made possible by one's fingers and palms and opposable thumbs. . .painting and writing novels and constructing furniture and obtaining food and playing guitar and posting messages on comic book inspired websites and petting a friendly tabby and writing down the plan/magick words that will finally and inevitably "save" us all shaking the hand of the crippled pervert who used to be your favorite superhero. . .glimpsing the brilliant myriad of potential you. . .

And ultimately it comes down to this: To wipe the shit out of one's ass, or to jerk off? That is the question.

Whether it's a nobler thing for a man to crawl as a worm, or adventure as a god. . .

And which of these choices has Greg Feely settled 'pon? And which Ned Slade?

My goodness. I must apologize. First post here in quite some time, and this "place" does get to me in the strangest way.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:36 / 20.09.02
Just wanted to say I really enjoyed issue 4. The whole notion that we are actually pure, it's the bad shit invading us that makes us bad, was a pure Grant gem to me.

I've been rolling that one over for days.
 
 
nutella23
16:24 / 20.09.02
Just realized what the "Otto drowing in his urine" scene reminded me of: the film "Brazil", where Harry Tuttle rerouts the ducts into the worker's/govt. agents' suits and fills them up with sewage until they burst.

Lovely film btw. I'll have to watch it again soon.
 
 
primaeval soup
21:46 / 20.09.02
"I was referring to the Ned/Greg amalgam, not Greg as a concept/para-personality."

Okay. BTW, apologies if I came off like I was “correcting” you, Smile (and frosty).

The way I see it, there’s at least three Greg Feelys going around in The Filth:

1. The coloured stuff – engineered in the labs of The Hand – that was snotted out of Ned Slade in issue one (…but presumably The Hand could knock up a new batch of this Greg anytime they want to).

2. The imprint that that coloured stuff has left in Ned.

3. Greg Feely the social construct – the Greg that exists in Ned’s next-door neighbours’ minds when they gossip, the Greg that exists in the files of the local police station, and so on. (I guess this is a lot more than one Greg, really, but for convenience I’ll group them all together.) If Replacement Greg spends the night raping Tony in his back garden, then “Greg Feely” No.3 becomes a cat-fucker.

The “chemical Greg” (No.1) and the “social construct Greg” (No.3) together make up a Greg Feely “para-persona” (er... No.13?).

Replacement Greg I don’t think of as a “Greg” as such – I see him as a Hand agent that’s “taking care of” the socially constructed part of the Greg para-persona.

The Hand seem to be setting up the para-persona as a paedophile – but as far as the para-persona is concerned, being “set up” as something is the same as actually being that thing. I suspect The Hand’s intention is not to set up Ned Slade – the Ned/Greg amalgam, as you put it, Smile – but to change the Greg Feely para-persona so that it is no longer a “safe place” for Ned Slade to hide out in. I’m guessing they want to make Greg Feely such an unpleasant and dangerous person to be that Ned ceases to identify with him and wholly embraces his identity as “hard-boiled Ned Slade, agent of the Hand”, returning to his Hand duties with enthusiasm. (That’s what I was trying to get at when I was wittering on about “Karma and Greg” earlier.)

Imagine if the Outer Church forces had managed to sway Dane Magowan before King Mob and co. had gotten to him. Imagine if, a couple of rungs up the Outer Church hierarchy, the stresses of his initiation – the repulsion, fear and disgust that he felt in the company of amoral monsters – became too great for Dane. He might have fled back to his old life, as “ordinary Dane Macgowan,” and tried to forget about what he had experienced. The Outer Church hierarchy would be concerned to continue their protégé’s initiation…might strive to make life as one of the “cattle” an unattractive option.

Now that I think about it, things did go in a similar fashion for Dane during the course of his “Invisibles” initiation…he found no safe place in Liverpool, at his mum’s, or his friend’s…tho’ K.M. and company had “the enemy” to thank for that…

Okay, I’m aware of the anal-retentive quality of my Greg-counting, I want to see a “Where”s Greg?” picture-book for kids, Hermit’s post has bowled me over, I love the idea that The Filth is Promethea’s evil twin, and has anyone seen that ad on TV with all the beautiful naked people kissing each other’s armpits? MORE DEODORANT!! APPLY MORE DEODORANT!! and “let your skin breathe”…
 
 
Jack Fear
22:08 / 20.09.02
The Hand is trying to destroy "Greg Feely"'s life, leaving Ned Slade with no fallback position, no safe harbor: The Hand is, in effect, burning down Slade's retirement home—so he'll have no choice but to stay in active service.

The Hand never lets go.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:23 / 20.09.02
But a man without his cat is no man at all.
 
 
penitentvandal
08:02 / 21.09.02
Ned is doing quite a good job of convincing the neighbours he's a paedo himself, though. Notice the woman who sees him inviting Dmitri in - but she only sees Dmitri from behind, so thinks he's a child? And then she's listening in with a glass to the wall...

And I'd bet she's the voice that can be overheard when Secret Original's musing on his fucked up life.

Dmitri being mistaken for a child...It's like a really fucked up version of ET!
 
 
primaeval soup
14:17 / 21.09.02
I pity the poor kids who lure Dimitri into their home with a trail of M+Ms.

"Hurrn. ET go shit! HOOT! HOOT! Uh. Youuuu shit-Ell-eee-uuht."

See that giant hand in a cylindrical forcefield thing on page ten? Anyone any guesses as to what it is? Or what it's holding?

Suedehead: But a man without his cat is no man at all.

Precisely. He is beyond man.
 
 
Sharkgrin
13:22 / 22.09.02
The Godhead grant seems determined to abstractly portray the most debased aspects of everyday humanity, not that it doesn't make good reading. I read this issue to my girlfriend's 8-year old daughter at bedtime and ...

Issue # 4 - A landfill full of used porn and dead heroin addicts? The microscopic jungle of the human skin? - Come on!
Watching Ned gut it out in a decaying suit reminded me of Ripley in Alien and Friday in the Graphic Novel 'Rogue'.
I personally think it's premature to decide the fate of Greg Feely based on how the replacement treat the cat, but I do beleive how the relacement teat the cat is a metaphor for how the Hand's plans for Ned/Greg (remember Tony had a replacement lined up at the beginning, too).

Issue # 2 - The other target - Spartacus Hughes - was content in using a wondrous, magical world in microcosm to scramble other people's brains. Aim for the Nobel Prize in nano-technlogical engineering and microbiology and end up a crack dealer.

The Outer Church Guys had it easier. "No choice, Sir Miles, we are stopping by to eat everyone or turn them into slaves by, let's say - 3:00 O' clock. Ta-ta for now."

Hermit: That deserves the Rant of the Week award.
 
 
Graeme McMillan
14:10 / 22.09.02
Jack says exactly what I was trying to say earlier in a much more succinct way, because he's like that.
 
 
The Falcon
15:10 / 22.09.02
On another tip, the 'crap sci-fi' ethic I describe (and my friend described this issue - I insisted he buy the filth, and he likes it - as very 2000AD) is possibly due to Hi-Fi Design's not nearly as good as Matt Hollingsworth's colours.

Where is the god of sepia? I would like him back - toot sweet.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:44 / 22.09.02
Stunningly average. Maybe at some point Grant's going to try something new...

The only interesting thing is the uneasy compromise Ned and Greg have made to live in the same skull. He now seems willing to work on some sort of freelance basis for the Hand which is perhaps why they look as if they're going to do something to make the Greg Feely life unliveable, so he has no choice but to go back to them.
 
 
sobel
22:20 / 23.09.02
stunningly average? On first reading you may feel this: more manifesto, some bad action scenes, too many characters that look the same thus causing you not to pay close enough attention. I can understand such emotions.

Advice: Joint. Second read. Quite fast.

Gaurantee: pleasure, more satisfaction with story, acceptance of repetition as emerging patterns.

Thrill yourself with this notion: Time as a murder weapon.

Ponder: time accelerating around addictive behaviour. Repetitive actions compressing time, the actual real physical demands of most addictions causing the body to decay at faster rates.

Gawp: at the mastery of Slade's skill - we've not seen him 'act' before - he's good, isn't he!

For the record: it's issue five that grant couldn't beleive Berger would publish. Tho, the toddler's cardiac arrest money shot description was pretty fucking tasteless, was it not? like a naughty boy sent off to bed, he blurted out the worst thing imaginable.
 
 
The Falcon
23:09 / 23.09.02
Yeah. It feels old, but it actually is new.

Drugs and comics: my favourite.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
01:07 / 24.09.02
“All of this is shit… We’re all shit… Greg Feely can be anyone…”

Dosen't it stand to reason that Ned Slade can be anyone too then? What if Ned Slade is just a disposable hero. The Hand takes some guy and convinces him that he's their crack agent and when he get's capped then they grab some other poor wanker.
 
 
primaeval soup
10:01 / 24.09.02
Mmm. A "Dread Pirate Roberts" kind of deal. Except less fun.

Arr! Pirate vs Ninja vs Dustman melee!

"What was your face before you were born?"
 
 
primaeval soup
10:17 / 24.09.02
outvix: Feely's got a picture of a clown up on his wall. What's up w/ that?

The clown is laughing at the comical SPLAT! as Ultra-Humanitarian gets smeared all over the page wall. He’s laughing as a preacher and a vampire drown a frightened cat by trying to flush it down the toilet. He’s laughing at a naïve-but-good-natured teen pop singer that’s just been raped, and at a room of mentally-handicapped boys being blown to fleshy pieces. He’s laughing at every sick 9/11 joke you’ve ever heard – and you know what? He was probably laughing at the events of 9/11, full stop.

Is he a sadistic little shit? Or would you be laughing too, if you knew what he knew? (Cf. Anton Wilson’s “the universe is laughing behind your back” line.)
 
 
blackbeltjones
12:07 / 24.09.02
OMFG - just read #4 again... and is it my imagination or is the overweight grey-haired detective inpsector who von vermun takes over from called "Thomas" in tribute to Dai Thomas, Capt. Britain's flat-footed welsh nemesis/accomplice???
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:28 / 24.09.02
undo Thrill yourself with this notion: Time as a murder weapon.

Have you never watched Doctor Who?
 
 
primaeval soup
13:33 / 24.09.02
...or looked in the mirror?

Dear God:

FUCK YOU, YOU MURDERING BASTARD

Yours sincerely,

Adam
 
 
sobel
15:08 / 24.09.02
I forgot you guys were so clever.

my mistake.

mull this one over then:

time is a great healer.

how can that be?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:18 / 24.09.02
--Feely's got a picture of a clown up on his wall--

It gave me an immeadate sick John Wayne Gacy vibe.
 
 
The Falcon
14:23 / 25.09.02
Clowns = paedophilia, mate. Especially helium-voiced ones.

Anyone knows that.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:43 / 26.09.02
The cover to this issue seems like the blackest of black humour - the attempts to revive a body, "shit happens," and the (late?) addition of the "We remember 9-11" speech bubble.
 
 
winter
11:57 / 27.09.02
I've been so looking forward to the Filth, but I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed with what's happend to date. It all looks great, and their are fantastic references and meanings dotted throughout, but I can't help but feel that somewhere along the way, characterisation and a plot dynamic to hang all of the symbolism on seems to have been jetissoned for the sake of supposed imagery.
I think it's interesting to compare Grant's work here, with what he's doing on the X men. Albeit he's not been aided by some lame artwork (Quitely excepted of course), he has, within the strictures of super hero dynamics, produced some great characterisation, a well developed plot and some stiking scense. For example, the scene where Professor X shoots Casandra, stays far more in my head than anything so far in Filth.
I'll stick with Filth, and probably post up a few more reviews as it goes on but so far, am I the only one that feels it's not really up to the mark of The Invisibles?
 
 
CameronStewart
12:35 / 27.09.02
You've seen the Invisibles as a whole. You've seen less than a third of The Filth.

There's 9 more issues for it to get "up to the mark."
 
 
winter
12:49 / 27.09.02
I guess, although The Invisible held up well after 4 itself. Maybe Grant's trying out a new style
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:44 / 27.09.02
I have to agree with winter. I was going to start a topic about how even if Grant were not even trying his work on 'X-Men' can't help but piss all over his work on creator-owned material such as 'The Filth', unfortunately I've been a bit discouraged by the overall quality of the stories in year 2 so far so have shelved the idea for now.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:12 / 27.09.02
I think a "word up" should be given for Doctor Who.
 
 
winter
16:36 / 28.09.02
Re the message from My Misheard Lada of the Flowers, think it might be an iteresting topic to start thinking about what role the editor takes in a creative process. I know it should be in a different topic, but I 've just started to read an excellent interview with Alan Moore in The Third Alternative, where he discusses breathing new life into established characters and archetypes: is that what Grant does best?
 
 
nutella23
17:56 / 28.09.02
I keep thinking that The Filth is a tongue-in-cheek, over the top, black humour-type satirical take on the dialogue between creator and creation in the comic book medium. It almost seems like Grant is poking fun at his own established role, and more importantly that of the comic book as an "entertainment vector".

Of course, I could also be completely full of it.
 
 
Sharkgrin
00:48 / 29.09.02
Compare the Invisibles to the Filth? Kinda' like comparing a Picasso to a MS Windows screen-saver: too far removed in time (Grant's maturity and perspective) and a 180 degrees in grasp (freeing the mind and evolving ourselves vs. struggling for identity and losing it anyways).

I wanted my money back after reading the Arcadia story line, but I stuck with the series, and it delivered on most but not all levels.

I'm willing to let it all roll out before I pass judgement

VR
The Shark
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:42 / 29.09.02
Winter- You're welcome to start the thread but I wonder how many of us have useful information to contribute to such a discussion?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:42 / 01.10.02
winter: Grant has already spent, what, 15 years of his career breathing life into company owned characters. Maybe he has recently sided with his buddy Warren Ellis: if you don't own it, don't sweat over it (otherwise you may end whinning like Peter David) - and if needed, you can even ad some water to stretch it a bit. And they're right: even not worrying too much about revamping old properties, Grant can come out with some great mainstream company-owned adventure stories.

I've been enjoying both Filth and New X-Men; haven't received #4 yet and my importer screwed my NXM order (something I've fixed at Ebay) to give a better opinion, but Morrison regular readers can see the guy's been more relaxed and less worried about madly structuring a story - something he even stated in that wonderful Sequential Tart interview.
 
  

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