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Sex Workers - Is anything wrong with the status and conditions thereof, and how, if necessary, should change be made?

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
16:18 / 06.09.02
From the "People eating sushi off naked women" topic:

Suggesting that something shitty might be going on here is not the same as treating women like delicate china.

If a woman sees her sexuality, her appearance, as a commodity - thats her business and you should leave her to it. just like any other sexual or erotic trade, as long as its legal, there are willing "models" and willing hosts, all this shocked wailing about degradation and exploitation and sexism is simply moot, and more than a little offensive

So basically, give me the horny sushi-eaters any day over the if-you-do-sex-work-you-must-be-stupid thinkers.

And that's before anyone even gets vaginally fisted....

So, sex work. Are the participants "stupid". Or, to look at it another way, are the participants being systematically victimised by a business culture that can afford to do so because the shadowy legal status of the participants means they have limited legal recourse?

Or is this a nonsense, where paternalism disguises itself as egalitarian concern, and a conservative uneasiness with the sexual act is hidden behind a concerned smile.

Personally, I don't think I have a position on this one, or at least not yet. I have some ideas, and some thoughts, but I would like to be filled in a little by those more knowledgable. Filled in in *every* orifice.

Note: As I have said in the topic abstract, I would strongly suggest that we begin at least by focussing only on those whose work actually involves something describable as sexual congress - prostitution, hardcore pornography, live sex shows - as the issues become progressivley more protean the further the discussion is widened. If anyone mentions sushi, I will personally be their wife. And that isn't a good thing.

Note the second: A possible thought-starter. While watching "Sex: the Annabel Chong Story" - review here, I was struck in particular by the comment that she never actually saw any money from her starring role in "the World's Biggest Gang Bang", and also the attitude of the man being quizzed about whether the men who had entered her (presumably including some when she was bleeding from a fingernail-cut on the inside of her vagina) without condoms had, as she believed, been tested for HIV.

(nb- paraphrase)

"No, that wouldn't have been possible. Not in the time."

"Well, she was informed that they all had been"

(shrugs, laughs)

"Well.....that was wrong information."
 
 
Lurid Archive
17:38 / 06.09.02
Working out the rights and wrongs of the sex workers conditions is a tricky one. But I think we can agree on some things straight out.

Women who are blackmailed and otherwise forced to be sex workers require protection. These women are being abused in the most serious of ways. Sex workers who are beaten, raped and robbed require the full protection of the law. I think that no one here would argue with that.

The problem, to my mind, is exactly as Haus puts it. Are sex workers being used by an uncaring, money oriented world? Or do our reactions to them stem from a moral outrage based in a view of sex as unclean.

I tend to think that the answer is both. There are plenty of stories of women who, through financial hardship, feel obliged to earn money in ways that they find both degrading and inescapable. But you'll also find stories of women who choose their life and find that they are victimised by a prejudice against prostitution. Do we "save" the latter against their wishes?

I think that no matter what you think about this question - and I'm really speaking to tolerant Barbelith here, rather than the rest of the world - I'd argue that legalising prostitution is the only way to protect these women. They can and do suffer intimidation from the police and persecution by the law which only sends them deeper into a hole.

The situation is slightly different for prostitutes and those working in hardcore pornography, but I'd say that the problems should be dealt with in similar ways. These workers should be thought of as part of society and offered all the protection that we would offer any other worker - more, in fact, since they are often in dangerous situations.

You may find the International Prostitutes Collective interesting. From the site, they argue that abolition of anti-prostitution laws would: (I've only chosen a few)

End the criminalization of prostitute women – we are being punished for refusing poverty and/or financial dependence on individual men.

Make it possible for sex workers to be recognized as workers, with human, legal, economic and civil rights, including the right to police protection, employment and health benefits, pensions, to form co-operatives and trade unions, etc.

Recognize the experience and skills prostitute women have, and make them available to the rest of society.

Demystify prostitution, break down the division between "good girls" and "bad girls", and make visible the sex work other women do gratifying men's egos and sexual demands, and make it easier for all women to refuse this work or charge more when we agree to do it.

Allow women to move in and out of prostitution as our financial situation requires, instead of being trapped in prostitution by a criminal record and the need to earn money to pay the fines.

Allow prostitute women greater control over our working conditions by increasing our power to decide what services we will provide, where, for how long and for how much.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:43 / 06.09.02
The only thing i feel like posting right now is that no, people in sex-trade are not ALL stupid. I'm sure there are stupid ones, but there is also Asia Carrera who is a mensa member and makes tons of money in pornography.
I say people should be allowed to do the job they want, i saw an interview with India, a singer-turned-pornstar who after making her first movie, and it was reviewed poorly, was very upset because it was WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO, so she continues in the field.
Degrading--of course it is, how can anyone argue that having sex on camera and letting someone ejaculate on your face isnt, but really, if hats the job they want, no one is brainwashing them into doing it (on a large scale at least, I know someone is going to bring up a situation they heard about on "A very special Baywatch" which involved drugs and snuff films...).
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:21 / 06.09.02
I might suggest that there are many ways to argue that there are many contexts in which letting somebody ejaculate onto your face is not degrading - it just seems to you that it could not be otherwise, with your fucked-up attitude to sexuality. I might, taking the other side, suggest that there is a societal and cultural "brainwashing" at work here that exploits women with no other opportunities, and suggest that the distinction between "stupid" and "clever" might be replaced by one between "successful" and "cannon fodder".

I would also point out that being a MENSA member generally pretty much marks you out as not being very bright, but that's another story.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:31 / 06.09.02
what makes me have a fucked up view to sexuality where i find it degrading to have someone fire bodily fluids all over someones face.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:34 / 06.09.02
Your prudish society, your prudish upbringing and your prudish nature, our liberated friend might answer.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:41 / 06.09.02
oddly enough, my prudish nature may be a symptom of rebellion agains the so called authority figures in my life, but thats another thread.

to answer the abstract however:
In many cases (as the one you mentioned regarding HIV testing) the working conditions are terrible, however there are also places where great care is taken to ensure the health and wellbeing of those involved--kind of like any risky job really.
Changes that could be made? I dont know if any kind of federal bureau of porn would be effective, and self policing is something that could never happen, human nature ( or greedy white man nature some would say) would prevent all but a few of those running the industry from following any self imposed rules that may cost them money.
 
 
Stone Mirror
18:42 / 06.09.02
The problem, Elijah, is that you're imputing your own vicarious feelings of degradation to a completely different person, who may not, in fact, feel anything of the sort.

If someone chooses (here I go, being libertarian in the midst of the anarchists again) to earn money by performing consensual sexual acts, what of it?

Obviously, if someone is, rather, coerced into it, that's a different matter, but (tying this back to its origination in the sushi-ladies thread) it's abundantly unclear that this is necessarily the case. I did some lighting work for a strip club, and know a number of "lap dancers" who are quite happy with the work they do, and which they do of their own free will. And, no, all sex workers are surely not stupid.
 
 
grant
18:43 / 06.09.02
I'd like to refer people to this thread, wherein I collect a few texts written by people (mostly women) working in the sex industry.

After reading a few of them, it's pretty obvious that the answer to the question:
Are the participants "stupid"? is pretty obviously "No, they're not."
There's a lot of money to be had, and for many there's an inescapable frisson involved in the sexual transaction.
Asia Carrera is a fine example of this: she's not only a Mensa member (whatever that's worth), but also very much in charge of her own career and runs her own website on servers she's set up in her house.
And it's not just a porn site - she's very frank about her own history (running away from a too-strict home, etc.) and gives some pretty fascinating tips on giving yourself a porn-makeover (including fairly brave pix of herself in the process of being transformed from ordinary girl to porno queen).

On the other hand, I'm not sure at all about the question:
Or, to look at it another way, are the participants being systematically victimised by a business culture that can afford to do so because the shadowy legal status of the participants means they have limited legal recourse?

Or rather, I'm not sure of the presupposition I'm reading behind the question, that the system is inherently exploitative.
The "Notes from the Catwalk" piece (the first essay in the first link I put up there) is interesting because it goes into the trouble behind sex industry work, the addictive nature of it, the way it interferes with one's feelings of humanity and one's sense of intimacy with others. In other words, the object-ness starts seeping into everyday life.
(this is also very much the case in the would-be porn filmmaker diary recently put up on memepool.)

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While watching "Sex: the Annabel Chong Story" - review here, I was struck in particular by the comment that she never actually saw any money from her starring role in "the World's Biggest Gang Bang", and also the attitude of the man being quizzed about whether the men who had entered her (presumably including some when she was bleeding from a fingernail-cut on the inside of her vagina) without condoms had, as she believed, been tested for HIV.


As I mentioned elsewhere on the site, I had the opportunity to see Chong in person handling a Q/A session after a showing of "Sex" at a film festival. A *lot* of people at the screening were very concerned with the exploitation angle, that she should have seen more money from the video, etc.
Her reply was, "I did it because I wanted to. It was my idea."
With the subtext that the spectacle wasn't all about the money. And, after all, she's the one who brought the whole thing to a close when she felt she couldn't take it any more.

I was much more unsettled by the woman who set out to beat Chong's record, seemingly* very much at her (male) manager's insistence and apparently without the same level of control over the process.

* "Sex" was made by Annabel Chong's ex-boyfriend, and was actually filmed as their relationship was coming apart. For instance, note that during the intense scene where she's cutting herself, a. they're both drunk, because b. they had just decided to end their relationship, and c. he's cutting himself too... off-camera.
"We were both testing our limits, seeing how far we could go," she said, or something like that. She seemed more ticked off by the guy editing himself out of that scene than by anything that happened in her porn career.
 
 
bitchiekittie
19:08 / 06.09.02
answering the topic abstract, theres obviously an assload of problems. workers not getting their fair share, putting themselves or being put into dangerous situations, violence, drugs, disease. the social stigma (which I think will exist as long as I live, but who knows what the future may bring)

Id say legalize it and regulate it, treat it like any other profession. only this one, I think, should have mandatory disease testing. just like medical staff are required to get vaccinations or routinely take cpr and other classes, sex workers need to continually meet certain safety and health requirements. they should work under set conditions, have their salary and personal safety kept up to the same fairly careful standards of anything that you or I do

there are certain details that would take someone much smarter than I am to work through, but I believe that this would be possible, and much better for everyone involved than what we do today
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:09 / 06.09.02
On the other hand, I'm not sure at all about the question:
Or, to look at it another way, are the participants being systematically victimised by a business culture that can afford to do so because the shadowy legal status of the participants means they have limited legal recourse?

Or rather, I'm not sure of the presupposition I'm reading behind the question, that the system is inherently exploitative.


Possibly this is a question that will vary from state to state or country to country, but refers to the dubious legality of prostitution and hardcore pornography in some places. If you face a fine, imprisonment, the attention of social services, the removal of your children into care and so on if your profession is made known to the police, then you are less likely to go to them if the situation in which you find yourself is abusive. Likewise, if the law does not acknowledge your occupation as legal, then it is unlikely you will be able to use employment law to secure better pay or working conditions.

These seem to me to be very good arguments for at the very least the decriminalisation of sex work.

As for Chong - she did a job for which she was expecting to receive a fee. The fact that she did not receive that fee may not matter to her, but it might well to somebody else in a similar position, at which point in some areas she would be unable to seek redress through the courts without risking legal persecution herself, and in others she might be wary of having her career exposed to her family (for example) through court reports.

Also notable perhaps that Grace Kwek (whose creation Annabel Chong is) had a well-off middle-class family and a university place, and as such might perhaps have rather less concern than many in the sex industry over a missing fee.

So, whether or not Kwek wanted or needed the money is not actually the complete answer to the question, I ween.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:45 / 06.09.02
I don't think that squeamishness about the sex industry is necessarily indicative of an unhealthy or prudish attitude towards sex. My own distaste for it has to do more with a distaste for, well, industry—specifically the commodification of human interaction. Must everything have a price in the open market?

I cringe when I see athletes charging for autographs, too. Hardly analogous, I know, but still—to buy and sell what should be a common courtesy...
 
 
Stone Mirror
05:20 / 07.09.02
Must everything have a price in the open market?

A monk asked the roshi what the most valuable thing in the world was. The roshi replied, "The head of a dead cat."

"What!? Why is that?" asked the monk in surprise. "Because no one can name its price," answered the roshi.
 
 
Tom Coates
07:29 / 07.09.02
Quick aside regarding the demeaning nature of having someone ejaculate on your face. The problem with that kind of statement is that (although I have some sympathy for it) there doesn't seem to be any qualitative difference between it and saying that it's a demeaning action for a man to perform oral sex upon a woman. The sole reason for it being demeaning seems to be that it's a potentially distasteful thing that you're willing to perform even though strictly speaking it's unnecessary. I'm having a real conflict about what constitutes demeaning sexual acts as well as the particular power dynamics of fucker / fuckee, submissive / dominant etc.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
09:17 / 07.09.02
I'm going to leave what constitutes demeaning sexual acts - I've got too many personal experiences and fuck ups to be able to talk about it properly, I think.

I would say that prostitution should be legalised to make it safer for the women involved and so they can get to keep the money they make. I work in Kings Cross, and I see women on a near daily basis who look like drug addicts, being physically pushed around by pimps. I have no distaste for the women - although I wonder about the kind of man who thinks it's okay to buy sex from someone who's obviously desperate for a fix - but I see red when I see pimps. I've been reading about the 'trade' in children for sex work - a couple of thousand kids a year are sold in Italy for this - and the women who've come to the UK from Eastern Europe on the promise of a proper job, but who are then sold into sexual slavery. So, to answer the abstract, yeah, there are serious problems in the conditions of 'employment' because a lot of it isn't employment at all.

Gonna stop now before I get very, very shouty.
 
 
illmatic
20:18 / 07.09.02
I don't know if I have a lot to add to this, but I'll give it a go: to answer the topic abstract, yes, there are a lot of problems that accompany the issues of sex work, specifically prostitution, at least in the UK. The main problem is that while the actual act of exchanging money for sex is itself not illegal, it is illegal to set up positive condtions supporting this ie. brothels can be charged with laws against "running a disorderly house". I'm sure there are a whole bunch of other laws which serve to keep sex work submerged in illegality. I find the hypocrisy that this shows, somehow, very English.
Add to this the stupidity of charging streetwalkers with solicting and fining them - I think the best solution, as grant indicates, is to encourage the prostitutes themselves to form unions and take charge or their working condtions for themselves. I recall a quote on this from an article I read a couple of years back "They do the worst of all possible jobs, let them do it in the best possible conditions". I recall from the same source that the prostitutes union in Amsterdam, (Rood Draad (?)"Red Thread") was responsible for a lot of positive work in encouraging safe sex and improving condtions, a for instance being, lobbying against landlords who were charging sex workers excessive rents.
On the subject of pimps abusing/enslaving women: I'm not saying for one single moment this isn't a huge problem, but I recall the last big sweep of brothels the police did in Soho sometime last year. I saw a very small story on it in The Independent the next day, where a spokeswomen from the English Collective of Prostitutes was talking about the fact that prostitution can be a choice for some women and the way forward was positive legislation instead of just deporting the women here who happened to be illegal immigrants. Her views weren't reported in any of the other press I saw on that story, which framed it in the same "patriarchal men exploit poor little women, other patriarchal men save 'em" kinda way. The idea of an autonomous women choosing to do something with her sexuality is far too scary a prospect to get reported.
BTW: The sushi thing (and Haus, I will take you as my wife ANY TIME).
I'm aware their have been eloquent arguements pro and con, but fuck it, a knee jerk response: Some fucking yuppie bastard, probably with fucking business clients taking people somewhere like this, with the implied "I'm so clever, so risque!!!" - AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHH!! Break their complimentary champange over their fucking heads and make 'em eat the glass!!!
 
 
Fist Fun
15:25 / 08.09.02
participants being systematically victimised by a business culture that can afford to do so

That relates to industry as a whole rather than the sex industy specifically. I don't believe there is any difference between sexual working transactions and, for instance, ones involving brainpower or talent. Am I missing something? Is there something special about sex and business culture?
 
 
Papess
16:18 / 08.09.02
Love my job, thanks for asking.

I personally have a little bit of a problem with prostitution being legalized. it would certainly take the mystique out of it and I have a big problem with the exploitation the government could have if it was legal. I do not have a problem with paying tax on my income from "avails of prostitution" but, if Rev. Can. thinks that I should keep records of who and what and how much, they have collectively lost their minds. This would certainly feel like "Big Brother" is my pimp. I do not mind paying taxes as I said but, WHAT I DO WITH MY CUNT IS MY BUSINESS!!

I think there has to be some way of contributing to your country without this being an issue of exploitation by the gov.

On the issue of morality, I have no issue. It poses no threat to me morally because I come from the frame of reference that "...everything is permitted...". There are consequences however, but all professions have some degree of risk. However, Ethics ia a different issue. I must have some ethics to run a proper business.

All in all, I love sex so much and I am damn good at it. Why wouldn't i want to make money doing what I love and good at? As for being stupid...hey, they are paying ME. Who is the stupid one? Not that I am resentful toward my clients. If a prostitute is resentful and feels like she is being used then she should get out IMHO. This line of work has no place for her hang ups and inhibitions.

~May Tricks
 
 
Papess
16:30 / 08.09.02
I forgot to mention the empowerment that prostitution gives me. I have no pimp and do not believe any sex worker should have one. I have control and know how to protect myself if the client gets out of hand. I have taken all the steps to protect myself.

The worst part of prostitution is how the workers undercut each other. This happens when there is an influx of immigrant workers who are amazed when they make a measely $20 for a blow job (I charge alot more than that!). I would like to see some standards for sex trade workers. the other reason for sex workers to undercut each other is drugs. Fuck, that just makes me sick! very sad.

~May
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
11:29 / 09.09.02
Like any other trade, the sex trade is based on demand. You may object to this but in a quazi-bizarre balance I object to milk in coffee. The facts stand to show that with the exception of non-essentials all forms of trade have faced objections of some kind. (as an after thought, even the trade of essentials gets objected too, ie: fur, meat, planning etc) The objections come down to a matter of values, ethics and moral sort of stuff and IMHO should be treated in the same manner as objections to other trades.

For this to take place then there would be a need for the sex industry to be properly recognised and aligned with the applicable standards. For a singular, off the top of my head, non all encompassing example, if you can't serve food in a filthy restaurant, you shouldn't be allowed to serve facial jism in a filthy [insert location of choice].

Ultimately I believe that the sex industry and all its constituent parts should be treated like any other service industry with a full range of suitable licences, codes and practices that would ensure protection of all involved parties.

I won't say what all of these licences, codes and practices should be as I know far too little of the inner workings of the sex industry.

My prefered method of application? Draconian Efficiency.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:22 / 10.09.02
Just want to point out that the above post regarding the 'ejaculation in face' bit, isn't me, it's Haus crossdressing...
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:34 / 10.09.02
Doesn't that call for a slapped wrist? At the very least.
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:52 / 10.09.02
I think that there is a good deal of agreement here regarding the legalisation of prostitution. Thats pretty much what I expected.

I think a more divisive question would be to ask to what extent do people feel that sex workers are exploited by the very nature of their work. That is, are female (and they are mostly female) sex workers victims of exploitation which is inherent in their profession? Or is it just like selling any other commodity or service, but for which we have particular hang ups?
 
 
No star here laces
12:22 / 10.09.02
Hmmm, and are male sex workers who allow themselves to be penetrated for cash being more, or less, exploited than their female equivalents?

Are people who work with human effluent for a living more or less demeaned by their job than sex workers?

In a hypothetical society where there are no issues of legality or drugs involved, sex work would be a market like any other. Acts would be priced according to supply and demand. Theoretically acts would end up being priced according to how willing people were to perform them and pay for them, which ought to be fair.

The question would then become, is it more demeaning to be an unsuccessful prostitute, which is to say a cheap one, than in any other profession? Is it in fact a sensitivity about the concept of putting our sexual attractiveness and/or capabilities on an open market that makes people queasy?
 
 
Papess
12:53 / 10.09.02
If you are an unsuccessful prostitute then maybe you are in the wrong business!

I tried to post this whole big longthing last night and my comp frooze and I lost it....AAARGH! I think am going to scream in Conversation now.

I will try to repost my insights so there is more to come from me.

Peace

~MT
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
17:41 / 10.09.02
Lyra - on the gay-for-pay scale (which also enters into the female porn actor side of things) it can be difficult to say. Firstly the exploitation things is largely subjective, although not dismissable. What really needs to be defined is a base level of what exactly contitutes exploitation. On some levels it could be said that all men are exploited more than women as the projected salary of a male porn actor is somewhere around a fifth (if that) of his female counterpart and for a lot more work. On the other hand it could easily be argued that men are more mercenary about their work, particularly when it comes to straights as gay work. (This argument may be inaccurate and difficult to either substantiate of disprove.)

If you're looking for the most exploited workers in legitimate porn then you may well find that concensus leads to pointing at the body-minorities.

I guess that comes out as very vague and twitchy but unless there is a concensus on a base level of what constitutes exploitation then answers will vary dramatically based on personal vision and understanding.
 
 
Papess
18:04 / 10.09.02
Specail Boy Potus wrote:
If you're looking for the most exploited workers in legitimate porn then you may well find that concensus leads to pointing at the body-minorities.

Are you talking about the fluffers that keep the male porn actors erect? Now that is pretty degrading work if you ask me but then...maybe that is not being considerate of the fluffgirl's own fantasies?

One girl's garbage....

~MT
 
 
Jack Fear
19:05 / 10.09.02
...or does "body minorities" refer to porn performers with extreme body types--grossly obese, amputee, chicks-with-dicks, et cetera? That does open a whole can of worms.

Is that sort of fetish/freakshow/kink porn more degrading for the performer? Might it not in fact be more empowering?

People with such nusual body types are often tacitly deemed to be non-sexual in the larger culture: might not being regarded as the object of desire to a "cult" audience be a good feeling?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:02 / 16.09.02
Depressignly familiar reading ina Guardian report today:

Just before we met, Carroll had spent the night working the same streets as another prostitute, Michaela Hague. It was November 5 last year. By the end of the night, Hague was bleeding to death on the gravel of a deserted car park near Corporation Street, choking as she tried to give the details of her killer to a young PC named Richard Twigg. Below, in the distance, shone the lights of Sheffield.


Full story here.

May Tricks observed If you are an unsuccessful prostitute then maybe you are in the wrong business. It occurs that, as things stand, prostitutes seem to have to have a number of skills not directly related to sexual performance. Is a failure to master these also the sign of a bad prostitute, or simply one being asked to take on too many duties?

And is this a needlessly grim picture showing only the failures and fuck-ups at the bottom of a ladder? Is it unfair to judge attitudes to sex workers by attitudes to desperate, heroin-addled sex workers, f'r example? Realistically, if there was a desperate, heroin-addled accountant turning assizes for £20 a go, would anyone care if they were murdered by a client?

(Perhaps our answer here may be found in the Daily Mail's shocked reportage that the body of a dead woman who had overdosed on heroin may have originated in the middle classes)
 
 
Jack Fear
13:21 / 16.09.02
It occurs that, as things stand, prostitutes seem to have to have a number of skills not directly related to sexual performance.

I would think that the "sexual performance" bit would actually be the least important skill in heteronormative prostitution, the ability to lie back and think of England not exactly being in short supply among those giving it away.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:37 / 16.09.02
Well, maybe so, although that in itself perhaps contains the assumption that men who use prostitutes are universally crap in bed and expect the same from their doxies.

I was thinking more that when so much of your career appears to be related to escaping from violent men, self-defence, split-second appraisal of who is likely to be a psychotic killer, and in extreme cases extracting oneself from binbags, is one really a "sex worker" at all, or more something in the line of processing dnagerous materials (to pick up on your industrial metaphor)?
 
 
Papess
17:35 / 16.09.02
Haus wrote:
...when so much of your career appears to be related to escaping from violent men, self-defence, split-second appraisal of who is likely to be a psychotic killer, and in extreme cases extracting oneself from binbags, is one really a "sex worker" at all, or more something in the line of processing dangerous materials...?

This is not exactly an accurate picture but, it is understandable that it would appear this way.

Truth is, most clients are kittens. If a sex trade worker knows how to run a good business, s/he has repeat clients. The first time a STW (sex trade worker) meets a client, s/he is likely to be more cautious than if it is the 100th time. Maybe that isn't so smart in retrospect but, as in most relationships we become comfortable with the familiar.

I have my own little checklist I go through with a new client and yes, it does require I know a bit about homicidal maniacs in order to this but I do not think I would be a candidate for the FBI...hehehe. Profiles however, are very general and they could get my paranoia up for nothing.

Sooo, there are imediate precautions to take like: staying sober!!, letting someone know where you are, knowing how to disable an attacker through a martial art, not drinking or eating anything at a clients home (This is a little tricky sometimes. I try and make sure I know the wine is freshly opened, watch it being poured and ...let HIM have the first few sips!! Keep your eye on the adam's apple to see if he swallows. Most people are not actors and certainly not geniuses and their ill intent can be detected with a little prepping and caution. ) Oh, and make him wear a condom for pete's sake!

This all takes a matter of seconds and is common sense really. I do not find it preoccupies me, it is more like second nature. It is kind of like checking your riggings and course before you set sail.

Alot of different work has a dangerous side to it, ie: Airplane pilot, wildlife photographer, Coastguard, Circus Acrobat....ect. That is just the nature of the job and safety is just another part of it. Having knowledge of how to keep safe on the job doesn't over-ride what the actual job is. It cannot do that, or else, you would be doing another job! Safety Inspector!

Despite this particular issue in this topic, this work is not as scary as one would think. I spend most of my time preening and primping, keeping my physical body in shape and reading up on various fantasy and role-play. When I am not concerning myself with the esthectics or safety of my work, I am usually performing it.

~MT
 
 
some guy
18:22 / 16.09.02
And is this a needlessly grim picture showing only the failures and fuck-ups at the bottom of a ladder? Is it unfair to judge attitudes to sex workers by attitudes to desperate, heroin-addled sex workers, f'r example?

Or should we instead be looking at Heidi Fleiss et. al.? I suspect (although I haven't read deeply enough to encounter up-to-date hard statistic facts, if any even exist) that most sex workers fall in a sort of invisible "middle class," with the media much more fascinated by the glamor of high-end prostitutes and the tabloid values of the drug-n-violence dregs.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
10:17 / 17.09.02
Conditions of work also include where/how the work is done.

Worth considering: Maggie O'Kane's article/in the Guardian/documentary on Channel 4 (Dispatches: Sex on the Streets), which Tann quotes from. Kane examines UK prostition in the light of the disapperance/murder of at least 60 street prosititutes in the last 10 years. It seems to be pretty easy to get awawy with kidnap and murder, as long as it's some worthless prossie. She estimates that in the UK 90-95% of street prostitutes are addicted to crack or heroin:

Carroll [...]fed her hungry heroin and cocaine master with £150 worth of prostitution: hand job, £15; blow job, £20; and full sex, £25. The clients buying sex were mostly ordinary men: lonely men, bored men, and weekly men. Angry men occasionally killed. The risks were huge."

As police tighten up on kerbcrawling,dark streets like the one Michaela Hague was killed in are the only options for trade. In the documentary, Carroll was still working this steet.

In Glasgow, they're trying a different approach:

The Glasgow women are allowed to work in a zone of eight streets - provided they obey the rules. They can only work between 8pm and 4am, after the office workers have gone home, and must be discreet. It's a compromise most people find acceptable. The streets in Glasgow's red-light area are well lit and surrounded by high-quality CCTV cameras.

They are a strong deterrent - any man who is violent to a prostitute he picks up here is likely to get caught. The cameras can pick up car registration numbers and even drivers' faces. The same cameras also protect the businesses in the area.


Channel 4's Sex On The Streets page, including links to the survey and microsite.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
10:19 / 17.09.02
And, as suggested by the title, the programme and survey are explicit about the focus on street prostitutes.
 
  

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