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Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
06:58 / 29.08.02
I have started writing a zombie novel, and I see that George Romero has been given $10 million by FOX to start making a new "Dead" movie. With Resident Evil, House of the Dead and other Zombie games and movies, why is it that these monsters have taken root in our imagination?

There isn't a lot of zombie fiction, but there have beena LOT of zombie movies...and to be honest, zombies are the only movie monsters that still give me creeps.

Anyone know of any good novels about the livng dead who AREN'T vampires? Or anyone want to talk abotu why the living dead still have the power to creep us out?
 
 
w1rebaby
07:12 / 29.08.02
Maybe zombies are the missing link between environmental danger and human danger? More personalised than a flood, but you don't have to worry about any wishy-washy ethical stuff when you kill them. They look like people, but you know they're not, and anyway you don't have any choice.

Are Zulu and Black Hawk Down* really zombie films at heart?

* this is bad of me because I haven't actually seen BHD, I'm just going on reviews and comments. If anyone has and would like to contradict this view of it having lots of depersonalised brown people in it, please go on.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
08:24 / 29.08.02
Perhaps the dearth of zombie literature is due to the difficulty of narrating the interior monologue of someone with no brain.

Chapter One.
Plodding around town, holding hands out in front of me, going Grrr Grrr like the Mutant Enemy logo.

Then did that again. People ran away. Fortunately some were slow enough for me to catch and eat (astonishing, I know, but it always happens like that in films).

Chapter Two.
One decaying arm fell off this morning as I was pulling someone's brain out through an eye socket.

Found a well-thumbed copy of Solitaire Rose's bestselling zombie novel in the street but, since I have no curiosity, I ignored it and carried on going Grrr Grrrrrrrr.

Then found a sweet little puppy (ahhhh... ) Ate it. Tasty.

Chapter Three.
Same again.

Chapter Four.
See above.

Chapter Five.
Ate more people, the stupid ones who hadn't left town yet, hence high fat content in brains. Finger lickin' good!

Chapter Six.
Other arm fell off. Now I can only go Grrrr Grrrrrr without accompanying Michael Jackson movements of upper limbs. Can still moonwalk and plod menacingly though.

Chapter Seven.
All people eaten. Starting on the bugs. Dyspeptic, pillaged antacids from abandoned Chemist's shop. Tried, in vain, to open bottle with toes, being totally armless.

Chapter Eight.
Bugs are dull. Had a packet of crisps.

Chapter Nine.
Bored now.

Chapter Ten.
Auditioned for a part in new Resident Evil film. Got the job by reminding them of equal opportunities regulations about employing brainless applicants. Prosthetic arms supplied. Practising my Grrr Grrrrr noises with voice coach. Stardom beckons!

Good luck HKCSR. *wags tail eagerly in anticipation*
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:29 / 29.08.02
I fucking love zombies, and I've been saying for the last year or so to anyone who'll listen that it's about time for a zombie movie revival.
I think these things are cyclical- for a while it was all vampires, then werewolves... I figure it's just zombies' turn.

They truly are my favourite movie monster, and I've got a fantastic idea for a zombie short... (I just have to track down the guy who came up with it with me before I get someone to make it and he sues me for using what was half his idea...)

Yeah. Zombies. "Night of the Living Dead"- one of the greatest horror movies ever made imho. (But don't buy the "30th Anniversary" DVD- the "new footage" is really cheesy new scenes filmed recently and added by John Russo. NOT Romero.)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:31 / 29.08.02
Oh, and as regards the written word- apparently Lucius Shepherd's "Green Eyes" is very good, but I haven't read it yet. And Caitlin R Kiernan's website has a very good "Living Dead"-world story on it. Or it did last time I looked, anyway.
 
 
rizla mission
08:51 / 29.08.02
I think the continuing scariness of Zombies comes from the fact - as fully exploited in all good zombie films - that dead/injured good guys inevitably become zombies .. thus giving an "unstoppable army, the more we fight them, the stronger they get!" feeling to proceedings, and also meaning that survival generally depends on having to do things like cut up yr. girlfriend with a chainsaw and bludgeon yr. grandpa to death with a lump hammer and so on - situations far more traumatic than those caused by lesser cinematic beasties.

And also, the standard Zombie scenario sees the whole world besieged / turned upside down / destroyed, whereas Werewolves and so forth generally exist within the framework of the existing world, giving the Zombie-meister access to some very powerful apocalyptic type fears..
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:41 / 29.08.02
Something tells me you zombie-headz might be interested in the forthcoming 28 Days Later.
 
 
Baz Auckland
12:16 / 29.08.02
Zombies scare the hell out me, because they're monsters that can't be reasoned with. The thought of them being unstoppable and you can't do anything about it and they're not even human really.... maybe it's the fact that they look human but aren't...

Cemetary Man is my favourite zombie movie next to Brain Dead.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
12:42 / 29.08.02
I think zombies must be the Next Big Thing -- they're all over. I've been writing a zombie mockumentary along the lines of Man Bites Dog. I don't think they have to be mindless brain-eaters, though. They just have to be nigh-indestructable but slowly rotting. In fact, I think it's more interesting if they know exactly what's going on but don't mind.

Poppy Brite wrote a good zombie story, and I think Dead Alive is the best zombie movie ever.
 
 
kid coagulant
13:00 / 29.08.02
Check out 'The Mammoth Book of Zombies':

'The Mammoth Book of Zombies brings together twenty-six stories which depict a wide range of methods for raising the dead - from traditional Caribbean rituals to futuristic science. Within this terrifying tome you'll discover such classic tales of the macabre as Edgar Allan Poe's "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar" and J. Sheridan Le Fanu's "Schalken the Painter", plus memorable stories from the pulp magazines by H.P. Lovecraft and Robert Bloch. Also collected here for the first time are stories by such established masters as Clive Barker, Ramsey Campbell, and Brian Lumley, plus two new novellas and original stories by a host of exciting names.'

http://www.zombiejuice.com/zbooks/mboz.htm
 
 
gridley
13:24 / 29.08.02
Serpent and the Rainbow! Decent movie, great book. And it's a true story. Guy goes down to Haiti for a pharmaceutical company that wants to investigate the potential use of certain voodoo recipes as anesthetics. Gets into a load of trouble. Wade Davis is the author, I believe.
 
 
Saint Keggers
13:29 / 29.08.02
Coincidentally enough I just pulled out my only zombie book from my box of assorted books last week.

The Book Of The Dead.

edited by John Skipp & Craig Spector
Foreword by George Romero
A collection of 16 zombie tales by such others as Stephen King, Robert R. McCammon, Ramsey Campbell and others.

Zombie are cool and by cool I dont mean sweet.
 
 
Justin Brief
14:36 / 29.08.02
'28 days later' is written by Alex Garland, the famously lucky and talentless author from Hampstead. He's suffering from writer's block, and so can't be arsed writing another book. Instead, he's ripped off John Wyndham's 'Day of the Triffids' with his easy-to-writeTM screenplay, but replaced giant stinging plants with zombies created by a genetically engineered rabies, so it sounds sort of scientifically plausible, right? And get this unique spin; THESE ZOMBIES RUN! No more leisurely wobbling around with arms outstretched, oh siree no, these flesh-eating cats is as fast as you and me. Yoinks! I for one can't wait to see this movie.
PS
Does Evil Dead 2 count as a zombie movie, or is it more kind of witchy?
 
 
netbanshee
15:10 / 29.08.02
Cemetary Man is the shit. Got addicted to it in college.

I think zombie should make a comeback as a plot device since they can really get you to sit down with hopelessness (as well as some overdone gore). I also love the fact that people are undone by their own devices most of the time. "Oh, sure it's dead. I'm gonna go sleep on the cot nearby for a few hours."

Romero is the man. I like how he incorporates ridiculous things into his movies. Dawn of the Dead is my favorite. I mean...you got the token black guy who saves the day, taking needless risks ending in your doom, and plenty of last liners and gore. And look, zombies are coming, how about I used the services of that blood pressure machine.
 
 
grant
15:18 / 29.08.02
in the "return of the dead" movies, the zombies run, too.

and talk. asking for brains.


and i want to hug the topic starter for using that abstract. mmm.
 
 
moriarty
17:57 / 29.08.02
Every time a zombie thread pops up i say the exact same things. And I don't care, because I love the zombies. My brain goes straight out the window for zombie movies, and right into the hands of undead standing below.

Cemetary Man and Brain Dead are pretty low on the Zombie totem pole for me. Both are fine films, but I'm less of an art house zombie fan. The Romero trilogy kicks ass, which should go without saying. Fulci's films are almost an unofficial sequel to Romero's first (I think his first film was called Zombi 2) and includes a zombie vs. shark scene, as well as a classic injury-to-the-eye moment. A good example of fast zombies is in Garden of the Dead, in which they not only run and talk but also attack people with pickaxes. I loved the Return series, and it was probably what got me into zombie flicks in the first place, but the third installment was probably the only Zombie film I disliked. What a disappointment, especially after the promise of the cover. Not-quite-zombie faves include Night of the Creeps and Night of the Comet. Somehow I've seen both of these 80s classics at least 10 times. I need to see more of the Blind Dead series. Blind Templar zombies running around Spain gobbling people up. They can hear your heart beating!!! The Japanese are pulling out some killer zombie flicks, with Versus and Wild Zero. And then there's always the Underwater Nazi Zombie subgenre. I just need one more film to complete my collection.

There've been plenty of zombie comics (Zombie World, NOTLD, the zombie aquarium two parter in Hitman) but very few good zombie books. Kegboy mentioned the best of the bunch with Book of the Dead. All the stories are supposed to be based on Romero's trilogy (he wrote a great intro for the book), but some are closer than others. I've heard there's a sequel, but I've never seen it. The Book of the Dead itself i often find in used bookstores. If you want one and can't find a copy, Solitaire, let me know. Another one that just came out is the Book of All Flesh by the makers of the role-playing game All Flesh Must Be Eaten. I can't vouch for it's quality since I'm broke, but there appears to be a sequel in the works. Unfortunately, they were only accepting submissions into August. I've read two Resident Evil books (the ones that take place between the games, not the novelization of the games themselves, thereby avoiding an even deeper circle of Hell). Not good. You can tell the author is bored with zombies.

All Flesh, the game, is great fun for running with friends who think they have The Scenerio down pat (The Scenerio being every gorehounds imaginary survival procedure when the dead rise again). I ran a small game with some friends set in the town of Evans City, PA (where the graveyard scene from NOTLD was shot). Scared the shit out of them. They liked it so much we took a road trip out to Evans City later that year. The book has almost a dozen different zombie scenerios, each with zombies that have different speeds, strengths, weaknesses, methods of disposal, tool use, intelligence, etc. There's even a scenerio to play as a zombie.

Speaking of which, my video game obsessed brother tells me there is a new online Resident Evil game on the horizon. He just recently found out that you may be able to play as a zombie.

OK, I was going to talk about the appeal of zombies, but I've already written a novel. I just noticed that when I talk about zombies I sound like I'm back on the mean streets of the Rose City. Killer!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:29 / 29.08.02
Zombies! Yes!

I need help here. Four or five years ago a friend picked up a cheapo second-hand pulp novel about a zombie plague. Action centred in the US (possibly Cali). A group of six or seven humans are trying to stay alive. The entire city is burnt out. Main protagonist is an atheist. One of the couples who's in the group are devout Catholics.

There's a section of the novel where the group are down by a town near a waterfront, ransacking a gunsmiths' for ammo, when they suddenly hear pounding drums. They go out of the building and see a huge, snaking procession of the undead making its way along the beach, flaming torches held aloft, with one giant figure either being carried aloft in a throne or in the middle in a chariot.

The figure turns out to be not only the leader of the zombies, but Legion. Y'know, the Legion.

The story ends with the main character/hero in a church, at the mercy of Legion, and eventually saving himself by swallowing communion host! I shit you not. There's even an epilogue where he wakes up in Heaven, and it looks just like an American suburb (just like the one in Edward Scissorhands, only without the scary mansion). He walks down the street and sees his Mum! It's the most ridiculous ending to a novel I've ever read and is all the more brilliant for it.

Actually, up until the dramatic conclusion, the novel's extremely entertaining in a way that only the cheapest pulp fiction ever manages.

But what the fuck's it called? Please, somebody help me out. I need yr brrrraaaaiiiiinnnnsssssssssssssssssssss...
 
 
netbanshee
20:40 / 29.08.02
Speaking of which, my video game obsessed brother tells me there is a new online Resident Evil game on the horizon. He just recently found out that you may be able to play as a zombie.

Yep, it's coming to the PS2. It's name (tentitively), Resident Evil Online. I heard that beyond missions involving selected characters, you will be able to play as zombies. As far as the GameCube, They have RE0 out very soon as well as the remake of the first one. Capcom's also porting 2, 3, and 4 from the other consoles they were on. Finally, they're creting a brand new one sometime that's going to break from the mold and be way beyond the play and quality of the rest of the series.

Not quite zombie related, but Silent Hill is a great series. You do get to beat up skinned babies wielding knives and animated mannequins. Horror buffs should check out the series. And the third installment is around th corner.

On the zombie topic, Dead Reckoning is to be the 4th installment to Romero's Dead films. It seems like it'll have a decent budget to work with as well as the master at the helm.
 
 
moriarty
00:41 / 01.10.02
I found this, and small budget Zombie movie coming out of Australia called Undead. There are a few trailers up, as well as a scene (scroll down). I'm mainly interested because they seem to have tapped into that Everyman, unlikely cult horror hero vein that is best exemplified by Ash (Evil Dead), Reg (Phantasm), or the Ass-Kicking Priest (Brain Dead/Dead Alive). Triple Barreled.

And, after watching the trailer, I am so looking forward to 28 Days Later.
 
 
invisible_al
09:52 / 01.10.02
Excellent thread mate .
First point, I wouldn't classify Zulu as a zombie movie as the Zulus are actually very clever with tactics and all as opposed to having animal cunning which is what Zombies usually have. But it's still a class film and I can definately see a steampunk/victoriana zombie film at some point.

Oh also big up to All Flesh Must be Eaten, the game is cool, the fact that one of the sourcebooks is called Enter the Zombie and mixes zombies with Hong Kong Action Films is even cooler.

I have some friends who work in special effects who have a deep abiding love of zombie films and they've clued me into something very cool. Apparently the people who made 'Lock stock and two smoking barrels' have realised the other genre of film they can make on the cheap in the UK is horror films. There's a new film called the House on Slaughter Hill that's sounding pretty good on the whole zombie front. So hopefully we should get a flood of zombie, horror and werewolf films in the next few years. Should be fun
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
21:10 / 01.10.02
A zombie-related puzzlement just occurred to me. Wouldn't a city overrun by zombies and yet still populated w/humans be something akin to...the plains of Africa or something? Where the animals maintain a wary but generally peaceful coexistence until the predators get a bit peckish? I'm no zoologist, but...you know what I mean. Like in the nature films, when you see the lions laying about and the gazelles or whatnot munching on grass a few yards away. The predators can't eat all of the time, right? And killing humans just to kill them doesn't make sense. You up the demand and deplete the supply. Not to say that a zombie's actions would be particularly well thought-out. So should the Romero zombies be seen as more of a metaphor in their reckless depletion of resources than as real examples of how creatures like that would exist in the world? And am I thinking way too much about zombies?... Ahhh, who'm I kidding! You can never think too much about zombies!
 
 
grant
21:30 / 01.10.02
killing humans just to kill them doesn't make sense. You up the demand and deplete the supply.


That's the idea. That's why the best zombie movies are apocalyptic. The living dead, you know. Swelling their ranks infinitely, fueled by infinite hunger (or, in the case of Rabid and, apparently, 28 Days After, infinite rage).
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:57 / 01.10.02
Unless they've just come back to reclaim one of their own, as in the awesome Carnival of Souls.
 
 
videodrome
22:30 / 01.10.02
So should the Romero zombies be seen as more of a metaphor in their reckless depletion of resources than as real examples of how creatures like that would exist in the world?

er, yes. Hence the shopping mall. I do like the African ecology theory, though. It's quite like what's going on in Cemetery Man, where an equilibrium of sorts has been established.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
00:59 / 02.10.02
greatest zombie moment comes from a non zombie in dawn of the dead, when in a mall, a bunch of bikers are battling zombies with pie, when a biker in a sombrero stops fighting to...you know it... check his blood pressure at a machine, then while trapped, he is eaten and his arm is still in the pressure sleeve, spurting blood.
 
 
Mazarine
01:06 / 02.10.02
Barry totally summed it up for me- they freak me out. I can't even watch someone else playing Resident Evil.

I'm not sure if anyone's brought it up so far, but it's like a rule that I have to bring this movie up in one out of every twenty threads. At least here it kinda fits. Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Son of the Bride of the Return of the Revenge of the Terror of the Attack of the Evil, Mutant, Alien, Flesh Eating, Hellbound, Zombified Living Dead Part 2: In Shocking 2-D.
 
 
moriarty
03:04 / 02.10.02
Having nothing else to think about at work, my mind wandered to your zombie idea, Deric.

OK, let's take the Romero zombie as our example. If you are eaten by a zombie (or more importantly, a group of zombies) you will turn into a zombie. Assuming a group of zombies are very hungry, odds are there wouldn't be enough left to make a new zombie. So, how are new zombies created?

I don't think zombies eat people for food. I think they eat them for infection. Zombies seem to stop eating when the victim dies. Then they go on to new prey. Therefore, they can't actually get full. So, once one victim is dead, they move on. They're a cancer.

Another way your African ecology theory doesn't hold up is that all the animals involved have other concerns, like shelter and procreation. Zombies do not. They have no other need than to eat flesh. None. They wouldn't rest lazily beside you while they digest their last meal. The only way zombies wouldn't immediately attack is if they were already feeding, and that wouldn't last too long.

I'd see it as almost the opposite. It's like when people colonize a new land and strip it of it's resources. Take the water buffalo or the gorilla for instance. They were hunted into near extinction because man wanted something they had and was insatiable for it.

Oh, and the next Romero movie (slight spoilers)
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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:16 / 02.10.02
I'm with Moriarty- I've always thought of zombies as being more akin to a virus. The individual zombie may "think" it is eating for food, but as part of the whole zombie collective it is merely spreading the infection.

I fucking love zombies.
 
 
moriarty
12:30 / 02.10.02
Know what I love? I love how so many people are writing lengthy, intelligent posts about zombies and somewhere in there they almost always add "I fucking love zombies" or "zombies rule."

Zombies are wicked!
 
 
bjacques
13:27 / 02.10.02
Now there's a thought: a colony of zombies reaches critical mass and develops a hive mind--or has this been done already?

Serpent and the Rainbow was an excellent
book, but the movie was silly. Zombification
is really a form of rough community justice,
and the "evil" bokor is just fulfilling
a social function. In the book he was just
down on his luck and the author ends up
donating blood to the guy's dying sister.

Neither the book nor the movie really
explains why Davis abandoned his idea of
using the zombie potion as a medical
anesthetic, but you can figure out that
it's useless without the sincere belief
that you can be turned into a zombie.

Voudoun turns out to be very
sophisticated, like Santeria and candomble',
since it was allowed to develop and was not
suppressed like in the U.S.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
17:30 / 02.10.02
So what happens when zombies are all that's left? Do they just continue to aimlessly shuffle around until they rot...and that's it? Wild. Doesn't seem like there's much difference between the zombie and the human. But then that's the point, huh?

ZOMBIES KICK ASS!!!
 
 
kid coagulant
17:55 / 02.10.02
Surprised this hasn't been linked to yet...

Zombie Nutritionist Recommends All-Brain Diet
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
23:17 / 02.10.02
Oh, that's funny. But it's The Onion, so I guess that's redundant.
 
 
Turk
03:32 / 03.10.02
"Or anyone want to talk abotu why the living dead still have the power to creep us out?"

It's the way they still make up the second house at Parliament, it's so frekkin' full of them man, creepy. One almost imagines a plot line about a bunch of college students having to spend a night in the House of Lords is somehow too blood curdling to think twice about.
 
 
invisible_al
16:37 / 03.10.02
Hmmm Zombies in Tweed.....

Its an excuse for mad old lord's with elephant guns being overwhelmed by undead hordes of tracksuit wearing teen zombies
 
  

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