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New X-Men #130

 
  

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The Natural Way
08:27 / 08.08.02
That Twat's still drawing it.
 
 
Ellis says:
09:08 / 08.08.02
Is it out?

Today?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:33 / 08.08.02
oh no.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:56 / 08.08.02
No, it's not out.

Check the previews at popcultureshock or comicscontinuum.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:47 / 08.08.02
do we know bout this?

It could only happen at Marvel! As Wolverine comes closer to unlocking the dark secrets of his past, an Afghani Muslim mutant joins the X-Men! You want daring? You want different? Then meet Dust as NEW X-MEN challenges the rules again!

palestinian still a bit risky then? Afghans are nice now we've killed a few thousand of them. cynical crunt. sorry.

one palestinian chick to another on the streets of tel aviv:

does my bomb look big in this?

I'm already wearing my coat.

bye.
 
 
glassonion
17:32 / 09.08.02
surely you'd rather have him to finish the story over more inconsistency? you don't love his paris backgrounds? i think you mean. never mind. i'll slap you about in the flesh later
 
 
Professor Silly
17:28 / 11.08.02
I saw the preview--cover and first four pages here.
Looks great--I can hardly wait. Here we have another instance of a story that takes place over a number of issues, but all during a very short period of time--I'm only now getting used to this breakneck style of storytelling, since reading the trade paperbacks....
 
 
Axel Lambert
20:23 / 11.08.02
And Kordey's still on it seems.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:16 / 12.08.02
Such a small thread, and still unread.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:55 / 12.08.02
Well, there's a limit to how much one can talk about a comic that hasn't been released yet...
 
 
sleazenation
12:18 / 12.08.02
of course reading the 4 page preview - the thing that immediately struck me as odd was the way that the channel tunnel was refered to as euro-tunnel (the name of the company that runs the channel tunnel)...
 
 
The Natural Way
13:52 / 12.08.02
lada: was commenting on liar repeating something I'd already pointed out.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:11 / 12.08.02
well... figured this Thred would still need a cover pic...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:19 / 15.08.02
C'mon everyone - spoil it for me. I won't have it for a few days.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:40 / 15.08.02
igor's already done that for you.
 
 
Professor Silly
14:49 / 15.08.02
you get lots of info about Fantomex, Xavier kicks ass, some more death...and Wolverine turns gay.


okay...I made that last one up.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:27 / 15.08.02
Wolverine straining for a particularly large dump on the cover.

Stubby-felt-tip-pen-art throughout (Cannonball(?) looks like his head's exploded, page 3 panel 5).

Bingo (maybe; "And everything else, all of it was a lie...")

Droplets of the same pacifist philosophy that's been seen in Filth: "This isn't war. Call it medicine if you like." Although I can't work out exactly what it is that Xavier's attempting to do with Madrox other than physically swamp Weapon XII.

Mistake in the speech bubble, page 4 panel 1, confuses things and makes it read as though Fantomex is Weapon I ("I was a volunteer" should be "I was a volunteer" to fit in with the "II and III were so and so...").

Not really being up with the X universe, I'd always presumed Weapon X was #10 of a series. It wasn't until you lot started on about it that I realised my mistake. It's knocked the oomph out of the revelation for me...

Fantomex v. cool. "Hi, I'm Jamie Madrox, the Multiple Man..." "Yeah, good for you."

How good could that Fantomex two-page spread have looked in other hands? Is Kordey definitely off this now? There's no fucken way I'm forking out for the second TPB.
 
 
deja_vroom
15:47 / 15.08.02
and Wolverine turns gay

What you mean, "turns"?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:16 / 15.08.02
"Chimpanzee politics..."
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:09 / 15.08.02
Spoilers?...
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So Fantomex is weapon XIII, now the anubus & death images make sence... well if one looks at the 13th card in the Tarot... DEATH.

"WHAT old woman" and his Flying saucer as a Magic Mirror Mutation? it came out of his mouth when he was a kid... How very "Terance McKenna"

Self transforming Machine Elves born via language!

oh and all that lovely Meta-speak Fantomex spouted about this world being too small for him. Considering the Parallel themes in Filth it seems Fantomex is ready to jump from the page itself...
 
 
The Natural Way
18:16 / 15.08.02
I think he was referring to the world of the Weapons program.

Could be wrong, though.

So...am I right in assuming all that tunnel business wasn't the weapons test we were led to believe it was, but, instead, Fantomex's escape attempt?

Not very clear that.

Somehow everything's always clearer when someone decent's drawing the book.
 
 
Spaniel
20:33 / 15.08.02
Exciting, fun, action packed ish. Lots of nice ideas.

All blunted by the horror that is Igor Kordey.
 
 
houdini
05:58 / 16.08.02
Blunted is a good word for it. I really felt this issue needed a bit of editing in order to clarify the 1/I thing, some of what Fantomex's goals really were and so on. The art is still deeply unlovely, and I'm not sure how much the ideas are different under the surface, but damn, it's X-Men and it's readable. That's a good start.

Okay. Confessional time. When the younger team are fleeing the tunnel I found myself remembering that, like, 8 years ago Cannonball developed the ability to expand his forcefield to cover entire groups of people, and to do so noiselessly while remaining motionless. So he could easily've covered for eveyone else while they fled.

What a sad boy I am, eh?
 
 
Tom Coates
06:17 / 16.08.02
I've merged two New X-Men #130 threads together for your delectation. Enjoy.
 
 
Sax
07:31 / 16.08.02
Regarding "The World" that Fantomex made mention of a couple of times... a smaller world than ours, where the Weapon subjects come from... resonances of the Bonsai Earth in The Filth.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:42 / 16.08.02
Or "The Crack" itself. Or the Outer Church.

Why do all Grant's EVILFORCESOFCONTROL live in sub-quantum micro universes. I know, I know...limitation....compressed universes....nothing is permitted.......
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:12 / 16.08.02
gehn, gotta change my mind: Kordey was good in this ish – n-way enuff.

Okay fantomex is fantomex is fantomex

Is john a dreams.

Dipped in time is it?

White suit is it?

Better than every other cunt is it?

Anyone a little bored with the ‘idea as organism’ spin yet?

I am a bit – tho, of course it is still refreshing to see within a mainstream title like xmen, it’s just I’m a

Wee

Bit

Bored

With

It

Now.

I think Filth 3 was like a guillotine.

Ow!
 
 
The Natural Way
08:34 / 16.08.02
Actually, yawn, not at all bored w/ the living idea in the form of EVA. She's great. Groovy take on mutation and caging her like a bird and feeding her chocolate and that brainjoystick ol' Fantom directs her with and that cockpit's made outta bone!

Skillian.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:46 / 16.08.02
i meant weapon 12.

eva is cool.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:54 / 16.08.02
I think Xavier was trying to swamp Weapon 12 with 'positive thoughts' and doing it through a lot of Madrox clones was somehow safer than doing it directly, presumerably due to the Weapons own telepathic nature. In the end it looked like another Mummundrai, the scenes with it controlling everyone looked a lot like Cassie running the Shi'ar Empire in the Imperial storyline. I don't think Igor's artwork was particularly bad this time out but the fact that it's more 'messy' and 'fluid' compared to Frank's stuff, then coloured down to near total darkness meant it was nigh impossible to see what was going on.

Apart from all the theorising this story was pretty rubbish. Fantomex doesn't really impress me much and I hope Grant doesn't bring him back, but the casual way in which one of them was killed was good, rather than the usual 'in this issue, a hero falls!' nonsense. And the riposte to Xavier's burgeoning 'chimpanzee'-racism was interesting to. Is Grant prepared to take Xavier down Magneto's path?
 
 
sleazenation
10:16 / 16.08.02
Yeah i thought xavier's ploy with mandrox was to attack a man wirth a viral mind with viral consciousnessess
 
 
primaeval soup
20:49 / 16.08.02
Page nine, panel 2:
With this drawing of Fantomex, Mr. Kordey cleverly references thalidomide children, strengthening the relevance of NXM to real-world issues.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:46 / 16.08.02
I was pretty unimpressed with this issue, and this story overall. I think that adding to the Weapon Plus Program was good, and will give other writers some interesting opportunities; and that the subplots with Jean and The Phoenix and Xavier's growing immorality needed to start somewhere; but this story was just dull. It felt like a bad tv show, really, like the X-Files or something.

Thank god we don't have to deal with Kordey anymore. Also, thank God that with the exception of his two Imperial issues, Kordey only drew the lamer stories...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:26 / 16.08.02
Not to turn this into another Kordey hate-fest, but d'you not think any of the previous stories, had they been given the honour of being drawn by smushey-pencils, would have turned out to seem just as boring? The silent issue, for example, could easily have turned into incomprehensible pap.

I was just about to lay part of the blame at the inker's feet, but I've just noticed that Kordey's inked this issue himself. Is it not regular practice for the big hitters to get separate inkers on-board on every issue?

Hope we're just seeing a permanent harder edge to Xavier. 'Professor X goes evil' has been done to death.
 
 
Seth
23:34 / 16.08.02
I thought that Kordey's art actually added a lot to the feelings of tension, claustophobia and confusion in the tunnel. It worked for me. But then I'm from a generation weened on imperfect comic art.

One major point: GM has to introduce some complex, powerful human characters soon. This "us and them" polarisation seems to be clearly building to a head, what with the attitudes expressed by Jean and Xavier being alarmingly similar to those expressed by Emma Frost (a belief in the superiority of mutants that is becoming increasingly overt). And the enforced "therapy" as a means of neutralising the enemy in the previous issue is blatantly irresponsible... the psychics are getting out of hand (mass mind wipes, anyone?).

My bet is that Scott and Xorn will have a hand in redressing the balance. There was a tiny scene in an issue a while back in which Scott started talking along these lines to Jean, only to be shouted down with what amounted to a fair amount of bluster. Even if these characters serve to redress the balance, it won't compensate for the one-dimensional portrayal of humanity. Lets have some of the old GM complexity back, no dualities please.
 
  

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