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The Filth #3

 
  

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arcboi
20:48 / 16.08.02
"Engage inksuit gutter interface. He can't follow us off the page wall"

Fan-fucking-tastic.
 
 
primaeval soup
21:17 / 16.08.02
Yeah, and I love how “ontologoical resolution” is measured in numbers of colours…

…And I love Secret Original. After reading this issue a second time, I am fully decided that S.O. is one of my favourite characters ever. If only I could believe that he could hear me, I’d be cheering him on:
“Come on, S.O. -- *I* believe in you! -- You can do it, S.O.! -- *You can do it!!!* “
 
 
primaeval soup
21:18 / 16.08.02
"But it’s the thought of some wee knobster in west Virginia or Texas or whatever reading the Glasgow brogue out aloud in order to understand it that really tickles my deep fried sense of humour. "

Uh…you don’t even have to go as far as Texas, yawn. But since you’re around, d’you mind if this wee Dublin knobster asks you a question? "Fuckin ink drag. Cumoan!" -- is this Cameron expressing her frustration at the fact that it’s harder to travel fast in an ink-suit --or is it Scottish slang/brogue – or what?

When I first read Cameron’s dialogue, I didn’t immediately realize it was brogue -- I thought it was perhaps referring to the misspelling of “bad” language often seen on toilet cubicle walls...

Cameron Spector gets all quiet when the boss is around, doesn’t she?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:12 / 17.08.02
Hi Old Evil:

thats a mysteroius name you've got. I'd change mine but I can't. I'm stuck with a one post joke of a name and i can't be arsed fracturing my persona across this board either. I'm such a tired, lazy cunt yknow.

Anyway - brogue thing:

oft heard on friday nights/saturday mornings as the crypto-speridiumed natives stumble home along sauchiehall street fuelled on kebabs and micro-shite:

fuckin ink-drag - cumoan!!!!

nah - I was embedded within the Joe King fiction suit for a few seconds there.

Cumoan Old Evil - fuckin ink-drag is a glaswegian response to the distorting effects of interfacing with paperspace.

A cockney in a similar situation might say:

Cor blimey guvnor - bleeding ink-drag - cah mon!!!

Question answered?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:05 / 17.08.02
Oh no, not again.

Why, on page five, do you see the two of them still in the paperverse when they are flying out of it? Is it perhaps a mistake on CWs part and they were supposed to be off the page in a 'severa places at once' deal like in issue 1?

I dunno, I can't see the logic of this going into the comicuniverse stuff if you're not acting more or less passively like in Animal Man...
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
01:40 / 18.08.02
The Filth redeems itself. I can now hang up my official Filth promo poster in all honesty.

Bi the way, "Bi-Guy" is a reference to the Momus song "Cape and Stick Gang" from "The Ultraconformist," one of GMs favorites.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:19 / 18.08.02
Deconstruct all you want, kids (and believe me, I only read it this morning, so I'm deconstructing for England right now...)... "Greg takes care of the little things; he feeds them birds and buries them when they get hit by buses."

That line just got me.

Okay, I know GM's just pushing buttons... but he pushes just the right ones, and pushes 'em like a pro.
 
 
jUne, a sunshiny month
13:31 / 18.08.02
i wish more people push buttons like a pro like GM...
sadly, this isn't the case, uh. i can count on my 2 hands the comics who talk 200% to me ; and maybe it's obvious to say this here on the lith, but it's mostly from the master pusher that pleasure of reading the good stuff comes... (yeah, well, am still learning english practice, uh)
 
 
arcboi
19:31 / 18.08.02
My reading of the comic is somewhat disjointed - I read issue 2 first, then caught up with 1 and 3 this week.

Naturally, I didn't have a clue what was happening (like Slade himself) and I still thought it was a good read.

Also, I have to say that I do appreciate having one artist on the title as well. There were some artists on The Invisibles that I felt just shouldn't have been used. Chris Weston just gets better and better.
 
 
Sharkgrin
22:36 / 18.08.02
El Sharko' like three things:
1 - This issue makes Flex Mentallo look like a poorly drawn stick-figure. The post-modernism is on Warp-10.
Monstrous, alien intelligences beyond any dimension we know, manipulating our lives for their pornographic pleasure?
Sounds like JLA Crisis times Five on Crack or The Outer Church dabbling in Manga-porn.
2 - The Secret Original's heroin-addict-strenth will power when it comes to pornography.
3 - (Greg Feely) Gives them dignity.
That humble, altruistic line made me cry.
VR
Sharkie-pooh
 
 
the Fool
00:34 / 19.08.02
I thought this was a great issue. Yes Morrison may only have 4 ideas, but he does seem to care about the concept. Its like he's trying to reach into this paperverse and give these thought forms souls (or prove that everything is fake). I was actually moved by Secret Original's pain at seeing his former life reduced to a two dimensional wank fiction.

I also see a (sort of) critique of superhero concept in this issue. The disrespect the owners of 'superhero property' have for their cattle. The way superhero lives can be twisted and distorted like puty, without any compassion or concern. The 'reality' of superhero death as a one line gag. How much of the original wonder and colour of comics has slowly drained away, to be replaced by 'realism' ie. Greg Feely (he actually feels).

I think there is also a reference to the crisis here. How pre-crisis the DCU had 'paperverses'. Earth 2 was a paperverse to earth 1, earth 1 a paperverse to earth prime. The idea of multiple continuities = multiverse.

The constant occilation fake/real/fake/real. Greg feely in the 'real' world is a fake identity or Slade from the 'fake' world of the hand. That the fake world seems to be more alive than the real (both with the wild dayglo of the hand, and the ultrabrightness of the paperverse). That the real world might only be a comic book (or similar fictional construct) in the real world. The fake world of porn, the fake world of paperverse (and the fake deaths of its heroes), the fake bonsai planet, the fake real world of the filth, even Greg Feely's real concern for the dead animals is fake. Peal away the fakeness and there's nothing there at all...
 
 
The Natural Way
07:55 / 19.08.02
Ummm...no. We're there. Peel US away and.....

This aint nihilism.

Structures and ultra-structures.

A friend of mine pointed out "continuity breakers" = ads. Go read that bit again. Very groovy.
 
 
lentil
09:18 / 19.08.02
mmm, like that last comment, Runce. Lentil is with the consensus opinion - best yet. I no longer feel "well, it's just a bit too.. Morrisonian". Even though it is unquestionably Morrisonian, it's now like... he's showing us the full spectaculum of his twisted nether regions whereas the previous two were like being teased with shots of his crab-ladder. Yes.

Lada - I don't think their appearance in the paperverse after having "engaged gutter interface" was a mistake on Weston's part. Cameron says "Everything you said in there got converted to dialogue"; their incursion must be integrated into the paperverse continuity. If you were reading the paperverse as a comic, rather than a fiction-within-a-fiction, a panel cutting to the bad guys making their escape would fit very naturally into the story at that point. That panel probably occurred in the "real" world too, but i get the impression that the paperverse has some kind of inbuilt continuity generator and would create and display the most likely panel.

Looks like Jack was right about the hair, eh?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:22 / 19.08.02
Basically, all the stuff with comics and stuff= rubbish. Not shit, but just blah.

For me, the real heart of the story was Slade/Greg/whoever, just struggling to live a normal life with honour. To me he seemed like the 'real life' version of Morrison's take on Animal Man', whereas Buddy wanted to make the world a better place and saw being a superhero as the best way to do that. Slade's opinion is just the opposite, that he can't make the world a better place by utilising The Filth's brand of 'superheroics'. He has to do it one cat burial by one.
 
 
Ganesh
16:58 / 19.08.02
As a bondage fan, I must say I'm incredibly unimpressed by the 'imposter' Greg Feely's rather feeble inability to escape from either gag, ropes (hands tied in front) and cupboard...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:53 / 19.08.02
as a bondage fan himself, he probably didn't want to.

eh!

eh!
 
 
the Fool
21:51 / 19.08.02
Ummm...no. We're there. Peel US away and.....

This aint nihilism.

Structures and ultra-structures


Actually I was going to follow my post with a post stating the exact opposite of the fake position. All the imagined worlds being real. Human's seem to spend an increasing amount of time in an increasing number of imagined worlds. Why are they any less real than this one? Could our imagining of other worlds actually create doorways to these worlds. The act of creation more channeling realities than invention of them?

In a 5th dimensional universe every conceivable imagining is already real.
 
 
CameronStewart
05:54 / 20.08.02
Thought these might be of interest - from my sketchbook this evening:





What I learned - Wheelchairs are bloody hard to draw when you're just making it up as you go.
 
 
the Fool
06:51 / 20.08.02
nice...
 
 
The Natural Way
07:10 / 20.08.02
I love yr sketch book. To own it would be my fondest wish. Runce's wish.

Actually, fool, I thought the nihilistic slant to yr 1st post was a bit out of character. I see where you were going now.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
07:12 / 20.08.02
Cameron - you are a bloody good artist.

There's a certain toughness to your work.

Sexy as well. I mean even your wheelchair bound fuck up looks sexy! (and tough)
 
 
lentil
09:12 / 20.08.02
Fucken right. You can tell why they pay him for this action can't ya?

Really enjoyed reading the insight into your creative process in the NXM #130 thread too, Cameron. I think you should start a masterclass for all us wannabes!
 
 
invisible_al
10:51 / 20.08.02
Secret Original is crippled because he 'Broke against the walls of heaven'. Such a beautiful description, that whole speech of his is just mint.

And Cameron, thats some mighty fine art there .
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:14 / 20.08.02
Looks like Sax is spot-on:

#6
In "The World of Anders Klimaaks," the streets of Los Angeles are overrun with giant, destructive zombie sperm! Can the hand stop lunatic hardcore director Tex Porneau from creating the ultimate sex and death epic? And what happens when the police finally catch up with Greg Feely and the little graves in his garden?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:59 / 20.08.02
Yikes!

 
 
Justin Brief
12:24 / 21.08.02
A few lil' things about Secret Original - N-Man and Caulder from Doom Patrol merged- bandages and wheelchair. Yes, Christopher Reeve parallels - also Icarus.

And Ultra-Humanitarian is a little-play on the 1930s pre-Lex Luthor villain the Ultra-Humanite.

Also note the Feline HIV poster on the back wall of the vets, and the fact that the cat's 'getting thinner'; will Feely/Slade rejoin the Hand to combat a meta/mini sexual infection of his cat? (Let's not forget the word 'pussy' in this context)

Qs: Man-Ro? Just a 'Jor-El' sounding curse, or something else?

That placid 'Metal Men'-like face on the Crab... why?
 
 
The Natural Way
12:43 / 21.08.02
For the goodness.

Thomas the Tank Engine in Filth-drag.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:17 / 21.08.02
I've been a bit lazy on the observations and analysis thissish - i think because I've been touched so deeply by the spazzi in the wheelchair.

just love the icarus ref there joker.
 
 
Ganesh
16:35 / 21.08.02
Anagrams of Man-Ro: RoMan? NaMor? NorMa?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:12 / 21.08.02
Ro-Man:

 
 
Graeme McMillan
01:21 / 22.08.02
"And what happens when the police finally catch up with Greg Feely and the little graves in his garden?"

Am I the only person that suspects that Greg really IS a paedophile, and those little graves aren't just dead cats? I have no real idea why I think this... It's just things like these:

Issue 1, Greg/Ned says "Greg's NOT a pervert. He has his own tastes, that's all." Was it just about the porn ("Young Sluts", with women dressed as schoolgirls), or "something... more... sinister"?

Mrs. Twine's comment in this issue: "This one couldn't be more than ten years old." THIS one (referring, of course, to Dimitri, but she didn't know that; she was talking about the small thing in the anorak that she saw)? There have been others?

I don't know. Am I completely wrong here?
 
 
The Natural Way
07:13 / 22.08.02
Hmmm. Definitely cause for a beard stroke there. I think I quite like that idea.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
07:52 / 22.08.02
It would lend further weight to the whole philosophy behind this comic book.

fuck.....
 
 
glassonion
17:32 / 22.08.02
paedo yes. very grant morrison to ally himself with the most misbegotten. reminds me of kevin rowland... but the little graves are also a feature from flex mentallo remember.
 
 
houdini
18:01 / 22.08.02
A big part of the Filth is Morrisson really maxing out our empathy for the most disgusting parts of ourselves. This is something he's done well in Doom Patrol, Flex Mentallo, touched on in neWXMen, etc, but surely the whole concept of "The Filth" is about that certain sick epiphany: The Bondage thing. Breaking against the walls of heaven, only to find out you've escaped into a drab, mundane, dirty "real" world where you can see that your own native universe is nothing but a cheap and inconsistent entertainment for children and social retards. Escaping from the hallucinogenic terrors of the Hand to your old identity as... well, if not actually a paedophile then certainly a pervert and, basically, a pretty sad specimen of humanity. Sex with a woman with a combover, whom you don't really care about. A sexual epiphany which makes you shake off the fiction suit you were wearing to that point. Think about the feeling you get when emerging from a masturbatory fantasy in the moments after orgasm. To me, that is the quintessence of The Filth.

On the Four Ideas thing: Way back in the day, Mozza wrote a column at the back of the UK comics 'zine Speakeasy. I think it was called "Drivel". There's one at the back of an issue I purchased for it's (ahem) X-Titles reboot feature ca. 1992 in which GM gives creators a guide to how to sound interesting in interviews. One phrase sticks in my mind "the nineteenth nervous reworking of the good idea you had when you were 17". Oh, and "Next week: What to do about pretentious Morrissey types who need a good kicking." It seems to me that *most* comics writers only have One Good Idea. Don't know if anyone saw Garth Ennis' 'The Pro' this week, but, again, it's just the Ennis Matrix operating on the object of JLA (more or less). Much like 'Dicks' was Ennis Does Sleazy Detectives, or Marvel's new Ennis Does The Punisher. The difference between an idea, a style and a personality is only paper thin. Although I think that Ellis and Moore have metaideas which allow them to incorporate a wider range of material (Ellis' sci-fi obsession and Moore's mysticism) these two writers could also be pigeonholed as having very few "real" ideas: Moore's obsession with time, with magic(k) and mysticism, with human weakness and failure. Ellis' obsession with things that blow up or kill you with spikey bits, with secrecy and conspiracies, with human modification.

Your mileage will vary, but I think that this is part of the human cognitive condition. In 'Don't Read This Book If You're Stupid', Tibor Fischer penned the memorable line "By the time we're thirty we've finished building all the mental roundabouts we're going to build." I know that as I get older the frequency of Big Ideas which are genuinely new to me, as opposed to fretwork on the chords I already know how to play, has definitely decreased.
As a final point, I'd point out that a lot of writers don't even seem to have that many ideas. Chris Claremont had one: What if the X-Men were people and lived soap-opera style personal lives? (And, later, what if all female X-Men had to be turned evil and start wearing very skimpy costumes?) That made him the "hottest" writer in the field for nearly 20 years. Frank Miller has his tough guy schtick and, before that, he had some interesting stories about religion which he told in Daredevil. Ann Nocenti likes morality tales (and, for my nickel, does them well). How many ideas does Scott Lobdell have? Fabian Nicieza? Dan Jurgens?

The prosecution rests.
 
  

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