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Useful Techniques for a Well Rounded Sorceror

 
  

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ThePirateKing
14:04 / 06.05.05
moving on...
 
 
ThePirateKing
23:40 / 12.08.05

bump...
 
 
electric monk
13:08 / 13.08.05
Good timing! I was discussing this concept with a friend, and wanted to share it here.

Belief structures - This concept occured to me a year or so back and is probably related directly or indirectly to Ideaspace. I have Googled the term, but not found anything that directly relates to my conception of it. The best link I've found (and which I do need to follow up on is here.

Belief structures, for me, are visualized edifices housing, and composed of, a desired (or undesired) belief. Mine usually start out as octarine lines against a black background and gain detail and dimension as I build them or examine them closely.

Belief as structure holds a few advantages, the primary one for me has been that I am better able to construct, recognize, analyze, and destroy chosen beliefs. The primary disadvantage is that when these things grow Tower-sized, well, y'know...
 
 
archim3des
19:35 / 15.08.05
voodoo buddhism
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:26 / 15.08.05
Er, yes. Thankyou, archim3des--would that be a technique or a belief structure? Either way, it sounds interesting. Perhaps you'd give us a bit more steak with our sizzle?
 
 
Quantum
10:31 / 16.08.05
Perhaps it's like Dervish Zen, inherently paradoxical.
 
 
archim3des
19:04 / 16.08.05
well M*rdant Carn!val,

it's kind of a little joke, but basically the only term that i could come up with which described my practice. to me the term is a bit of an irony, like "jumbo shrimp". lot's of pure land buddhism just really boils down to treating the buddhas, bodhisattvas, and demons, gods, goddess, immortals, and fairies the same way voodooists treat their loa. as immediately present in the world around them, on an everyday basis.

most pure land buddist practices, when not falling into the category of devotional practice; i.e. prayer and worship, falls into the category of folk magic, generally incorporating many of the elements of local folk tradition, in china being tons of taoist superstition.

the general practice of voodoo, or most west african derived faith systems, can fall into two similar categories that of a. devotional faith practice and b. folk magic; associational magic and rootwork.

a lot of people would correct me on my usage of the term voodoo, generally as a vulgar misapplication of pejorative colonial terminology. but hey, i'm a vulgar guy, and i'll do what i want, that being the whole point of magic. i also use the term hoodoo in the same context, labels changing on my mood. in this description i extend voodoo to encompass all of the african derived faith systems based on the the model of anthropomorphized concepts of nature (condomble, palo mayombe, umbanda, quimbanda, lucumi, macumba, etc.)

both folk practices of voodoo, both haitian and other west african derived faith systems, deal with anthropomorphized concepts, relating to a variety of entities which are generally relative to the everyday life of the individual practitioner. in their classic forms, for voodoo and pure land buddhism this entails dealing with concepts relevant to nonindustrial, or semi-industrial, rural living. i find it quite productive to keep this mold but refill it with concepts relevant to my life and experiences. i.e. comic book characters for interpersonal workings, and trance quides, intermingled with a little bit of classical voodoo that just strikes me, as well as touch of pure land buddhism.

having grown up in the hypersaturated american media environment of new york in the 1980's, i was heavily influenced by buddhism and voodoo as deeply as they where imbedded in the mythological framework of the media at the time. raised on bruce lee movies, i imprinted the asian wise man as an archetypal wisdom motif. after doin a little digging on that issue took me to pure land buddhism. in many really poorly made horror films in which voodoo is involved, the practice of it is synonomous with "black magic" and "witchcraft", which in turn means "satanism", and i never really bought into that.

in regards to voodoo, i always wanted a magic structure that packed a punch, but never really got the entire enochian demon/angel magic kind of thing. though potentially powerful in its own right, for me it involves to much warding and guarding and ridiculous memorization of associations. as i came to understand chaos magic, my view on that only strengthened. I mean regardless of whatever working I want to achieve, if it means invoking demons I'm out. I have enough problems, and the last thing i want to to push deep down inside of my subconscious is some sort of archetypal manifestation of terror, destruction, pure evil, whose all encompassing goal is to corrupt or devour your soul. I like what Sir miles said in the last story arch of the invisibles, while speaking to Orlando, "I'm sorry sir, but I make it appoint to never speak to demons without an agreed circle." Faust always gets devoured by his own demons in the end.

Don't get me wrong, a loa can totally ruin your day if you mistreat it, but most loa don't start a relationship off with the intent of eventually damning your soul to unending torment. At the end of the day though, a loa who you've kept your promises to can be the best thing to go to sleep next to.

It wasnt too long in my experimentations with voodoo before i tried applying it to other things. Turns out treating Shakyamuni buddha like a loa is the best thing I ever did. For me, Shakyamuni is the buddha-loa of astral travel, watching over those in trance, protecting their bodies, and the parts of the soul the sorcerer self leaves behind when traveling. Buddha-loas work amazingly as medicine buddhas, watching over different organs and different humors, as well as allowing for the practices of enacting their different provinces as a dedicated ritual to them. Hatha yoga becomes a ritual enaction of the buddha-loa who you've correlated it to.

I'm not to big on Legba, I use Maman Brijit as my point of penetration into the greater mysteries.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:43 / 16.08.05
Ah, that's rather what I hoped you were going to talk about, since it's not a million miles from where I'm at myself. Thanks.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:58 / 16.08.05
...though I wouldn't use the term 'voodoo'. Like you say, perjorative colonial ect ect. 'Vodoun' might be a bit more respectful, as more correct from the perspective of those who actually practice it. 'Hoodoo' I would not use either, since this too has a very specific meaning which doesn't map onto the practice you describe.
 
 
archim3des
18:17 / 17.08.05
coincidentally enough i just opened your "daily practice" thread, and it seems we are in a very similar place. i try to do a daily one-card tarot reading as well, but instead of runeraft text, i just usually pick a book at random from my bookshelf, usually either a graphic novel or something in the Current 23 vein.

like i said, i'm a vulgar guy, and my initial imprint of voodoun came through reading pulp novels, where hoodoo and voodoo are the two terms used preminently. what i work with is not voodoo per se, as it involves a lot of off-the-cuff kind of stuff, and i don't think the loa-aspects i deal with would work with a gringo like me without that audacity. think john constantine.

i throw a little wiccan/pagan eclectics in wherever it seems appropriate. lately i've been doing a five mothers yoga, based on five asanas each dedicated to five wiccan flavored mother archetypes, each correlating to a five element structure.

yourself?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:57 / 17.08.05
Well, principally I'm using Vodoun and other syncretic faiths as a template for my work with my ancestors and the Northern pantheon. Since the actual practices of the people who worshipped those gods in pre-Christian times are largely lost to us, modern Heathens have generally looked to high-ceremonial magic, Christian liturgy and the ceremonies designed for other reconstructionist pagan faiths to fill the gaps. I generally describe it as being sort of like in Jurassic Park, where they don't have all the dinosaur DNA and have to patch the gaps with DNA from frogs (with hilarious consequenses). However, whilst many people find those rites very meaningful and spiritually satisfying, they have little resonance for me personally--they don't 'ping'.

My frog DNA is taken from Vodoun and Santeria: living trads which treat their powers as immediate, imminent, viceral. And it seems to work; treating the Aesir as if they were lwa or orisha seems to suit their natures down to the ground. I see many parallels between the animistic, ancestor-venerating ways of Northern European heathens and those traditions.

I'm also adapting magical workings from hoodoo rootwork to include elements derived from Northern heathenry. It seems totally natural to me to ask Freyja to bless a candle-spell for wealth, for instance; or to offer her green and gold Fast Money incense at her household shrine, not as a means to bring weath to me but to send 'wealth' in the essential sense to Freyja herself. It makes perfect sense to me to place High John the Conqueror root on Frey's shrine to honour his fertility, or to burn Dragon's Blood for Loki. Not all gods care for incense, though. For Thor one might offer woodsmoke instead, perhaps from oak chips. (I have yet to find an incense pleasing to Odin, though I get the impression he might like roasting coffee-beans or psychoactive herbs. I may try offering him laurel leaves or pipe tobacco.)

It's meant a lot of extra study on top of that required to understand the Northern pantheon, but it's very rewarding. I'm trying to keep detailed records as I go along.

Other heathens would generally find my practice unacceptable because of the number of alien elements I've introduced. Most Asatru people prize the "Germanic look and feel" of their blots very highly, and would not offer new-world substances such as coffee or tobacco to the Aesir. However, my way of working is that I've sought the Gods' approval at every step of the way; indeed, the principle aim of my practice now is to work towards deeper communication with and understanding of the Aesir. Everything I do is in that sense 'authentic', because it is born out of a striving for union with the Aesir. (And if they don't like something, they let me know!)
 
 
grant
20:23 / 17.08.05
Offering tobacco to Odin would *totally* be Lucumi/Vodun/whatever DNA in your Asatru dinosaur.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:33 / 17.08.05
I know!

I already offer tobacco to Loki. He has this thing for really cheap, horrible cigarettes. I've tried getting him onto cigars, but no dice.
 
 
archim3des
19:01 / 24.08.05
I'm there with you 110% of the way. For me Maman Brijit looks like Gaiman's Death of the Endless, and likes offerings and will answer to nothing but an offering of cheap menthol cigarettes.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
15:48 / 10.07.07
This needs bumping as it shouldn't be languishing on page 21 of temple. While some of the later stuff might be jank, the first couple pages are pure temple gold.

As someone who is always willing to try new things, I think this thread might be my favourite on temple.

Any new stuff people feel like adding?
 
 
totep
18:37 / 10.07.07
I'm glad you bumped this up. Nothing I say will be mind blowing, but here's one other option on the topic of meditation.
I lay down on a hard surface (I'm lucky enough to have hardwood floors) with my legs together and arms about a foot and a half from my legs (you could try different "meditative" hand positions, I prefer Vitarka Mudrā, where you join the thumb and pointer finger and leave the rest straight). I recite a personal mantra in my head, which for me is actually six words instead of just one repeated over and over. Do this for about 20 minutes every day or two. Apparently, it works really well if you do it a lot in a short period of time (I've heard 12 hours in a two week period, but haven't done it, so I have no opinion on the matter). What I can say is, for me, in a short amount of time I was much more balanced and had some interesting "openness with the universe" feelings that it took months with breathing meditation to achieve. I know, the point of meditation is simply to meditate, but do it enough and things will start to happen to you.
I feel like I'm not really adding much to what has been written already, but I wanted to contribute because there is so much good info here and I didn't want to just leach off of it, haha. More people should post on this thread! Dammit!
 
 
Quantum
18:58 / 10.07.07
The arsecandling puts some people off.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
13:37 / 12.07.07
I'm trying to forge a closer relationship with my dog. I've heard the term familiar, and from the little research I've done into the subject this is the closest term I've found to describe the kind of relationship I'm trying to forge.

Spot, my dog, has started to become a figure in my workings. He joins me on little free assciation jaunts around my home town, he's helped me discover an interesting set of graphitti which seems to be slowly repeating around my area, and he helps me on wanders.

However; I don't want him to become a tool. I've had him for six months now, and only in the last month or so have I started using him in my workings. I don't want to use him. I want him to be part of my process, but a willing part.

Also, I've noticed some minor changes in him. We don't really talk (this may sound silly, he's a dog and all, but we used to talk loads - he'd bark when he wanted something, he'd paw at my hand for attention. Everything now is done by looks, and he's a lot more laid back around me.

He's also a lot more warry around me. He's a shelter dog, so maybe this is understandable, and hey, maybe he's suddenly got massivly more confident and then less so around me all at the same time. But this has all happened since I've started using him in my work (I just wrote "using me in his work" - tangent, but anyone got any idea about this being a whole bigger than I understand, Spot using me thing?).

Basically asking for any ideas about how I can ask for his permission. I suppose I could try just asking him, but I dunno. I enjoy having his companionship when I'm working through things, but I don't want to upset him or use him or anything.

Any ideas, as always, muchos appreciated.
 
 
Quantum
13:42 / 12.07.07
But he's a dog. Look at it this way, sheepdogs don't mind being 'used' to herd sheep, do they? Why would Spot mind walking around town with you?
 
 
Katherine
13:52 / 12.07.07
He could be more wary becuase you are treating him differently to how you were. Dogs like most animals pick up on these things quite quickly.

I can see where you are coming from but aren't you humanising (sp?) him a bit too much? He is, as said above, a dog not a human. If he's willing to come along with you and point out things then let him, if he doesn't want to come then well there's not much you can do.

Bare in mind that you care, feed and pay the bills for Spot. I take it you don't put him in danger isn't that a good basis for a doggy relationship? And I think this may be better as a new thread so people can add ideas and such forth for you.

Hopely I haven't come across too harsh because I don't intend to be.
 
 
illmatic
14:02 / 12.07.07
How about this? Try and find out as much as you can about dog behaviour. Animal behaviour in general if you have the time. Read up on it, research it, and check it out as much as you can by observing your dog and other animals. There are a number of excellent books availble now which give a kind of non-coercive approach to training. (I think it was Ibis who mentioned a tome like this in the "What are you Currently Reading" thread.) See if any of this learning grants you any insights into his behaviour, or changes your relationship in any way. I wouldn't worry too much about him being a "familar" - smacks to much of servant to me, and while you are his master, he is still a dog, not an adjunct to your magical narrative. With any magical relationship, you've got to respect the basic nature of whatever you are working on. Respect and study his "dogness" and work with this, rather than trying to shape your relationship in any other way.
 
 
illmatic
14:10 / 12.07.07
And here is the post I was thinking of.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:14 / 12.07.07
Work it out with the dog. Give him a tasty treat and ask him what's up.

Look at the language you are using here:

However; I don't want him to become a tool. I've had him for six months now, and only in the last month or so have I started using him in my workings. I don't want to use him. I want him to be part of my process, but a willing part.

It's up to the dog. Ask the dog. It almost comes across that you're looking for someone to give you a ritual that will zap your dog into a "familiar". You are not going to develop a magical relationship with an animal by asking questions on the internet. It all has to take place between you and the dog. If the dog isn't inclined to magic, it's a bit like trying to involve a girlfriend or a flatmate in rituals and stuff if they have no interest whatsoever and think its a load of pretentious bollocks.

Judging from the sort of stuff you are already involving the dog in, drifts around town and suchlike, it doesn't seem like you are trying to dress it up in Golden Dawn robes and teach it how to charge teh sigil by barking. It seems more like you are seeking an animal companion who can give you insights. My impression is often that animals experience the magical landscape and are sensitive to magic being worked. Dogs work dog magic and exist in a world of scent and instinct. Your dog can probably show you stuff and teach you stuff about how they experience the magic of the landscape you are exploring. But I don't know if you need a special "Magic Dog" to do this, (although some dogs are probably more witchy than others) and its probably more about observing how your dog relates to stuff, and trying to enter into that sort of awareness yourself as you move about the City. I could think of loads of ways to develop a living magical relationship with an animal, but it all really comes down to your relationship with the animal. The important thing is not to think of your dog as a "magical tool", which is ludicrous. It's an equal partner, not an extension of you. It has its own dog business and any magical partnership that may come about has to emerge organically of its own accord. Speak to the dog. Observe what it does when you start to involve it. See what it does and how it reacts. Only your dog can answer this question, and it will do so through its actions and responses. Do not let your own fantasy and wishful thinking become a more powerful indicator than what the dog is actually doing.

Shouldn't this be in the magic questions thread, not this one?
 
 
Quantum
14:47 / 12.07.07
a ritual that will zap your dog into a "familiar".

That's easy though, you just need a toadstone and a lightning rod.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
15:00 / 12.07.07
I was going to put it there originally, but I thought the answers would be more useful in this thread.

Thanks guys, gonna continue to work on this, but the answers provided have helped a lot.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
15:00 / 12.07.07
Also; don't really want Spot to be a familiar, but more a companion.
 
 
EvskiG
17:31 / 12.07.07
An excuse to talk about dogs!

I'm absurdly in love with 'em, and I think Gypsy and Roy Medallion are dead on with the above advice.

Get books about dog behavior, starting with The Other End of the Leash, by Patricia McConnell, the rare dog expert with a PhD in animal behaviorism.

Watch your dog closely. Talk to him, not only with words but with body language. Mimic his gestures and see how he responds. Answer his barks, growls, and whines. Eat together. Sleep near each other, if possible. Use consistent signals to communicate that it's time for a walk, time for food, etc. And always show kindness and love.

Dogs are brilliant observers and manipulators of human behavior. While you're doing all of the above, he'll be watching and responding to you.

Then see what happens. I suspect that soon you'll be closer to each other than you imagined was possible.

Here's one of mine. What a sweetie!

 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
19:23 / 12.07.07
You know the whale in moby dick is often cited as a representation for like TEH VOID or somesuch however it should also be considered as .... JUST A WHITE WHALE....and likewise maybe it's just A DOG. It licks it's parts and does teh love at you 'cus you feed it and its all lovely and reciprocal. Don't give the poor sod emotional baggage ey chap?
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
20:26 / 12.07.07
GAH! FAMILYARRS!!! 'TIS TEH BURNING TIMES AND U IZ FUST!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:50 / 12.07.07
maybe it's just A DOG. It licks it's parts and does teh love at you 'cus you feed it and its all lovely and reciprocal.

And I'm just a human and do revolting human things. And the moon is just a ball of rock. And the wine is just sour grapes, and you, my dear fellow, may be missing the point a smidge.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:56 / 12.07.07
And in fact I see that a couple of people have actually covered that point already; see for instance If the dog isn't inclined to magic, it's a bit like trying to involve a girlfriend or a flatmate in rituals and stuff if they have no interest whatsoever and think its a load of pretentious bollocks.
 
 
Katherine
07:39 / 13.07.07
GAH! FAMILYARRS!!! 'TIS TEH BURNING TIMES AND U IZ FUST!

I may being a tad harsh here but this really isn't called for in this type of thread Ivor.

Could we get back to the point of this thread which was to describe our favourite concepts, methods and techniques etc as per the description?
 
 
Unconditional Love
09:41 / 16.07.07
Arsecandling is a good technique to reclaim any abusive behaviours that may have been performed on that area of your body. It was recommended to me by an abuse therapist, after i had made this post with a sense of humour, I shit you not.

Thou not lit candles, that just recreates associations with pain, rather than introducing the idea that anal stimulation can be pleasurable and beneficial to greater better bigger and broader orgasms, thou fingers seem to suffice just as well.

On a different topic entirely, for those that find meditation difficult, drumming can be used out of the journey technique to induce meditative states, as mentioned in another post, along with breath work and/or mantra it seems to create a profound sense of depth to both trance states and awake aware states.

Entrainment seems to be the principle at work behind both meditation and drumming, creating dominant rhythms through breathing and sound seems to set consciousness into a perpetual wave state i would imagine, much like a sine wave.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:31 / 15.08.07
Take care of your feet.

Over the years I've come to the realisation that feet are really important to the practicing magician, and yet feet are seldom mentioned in most mainstream texts. Your feet, as Miro observed, are the part of your body that spends most of its time in contact with the earth. It follows from a fuckIhatethisword "energetic" perspective that you should keep that channel clear by maintaining good condition of your feet.

Feet can also be a good early indicator of things going amiss somewhere. Aches and pains, general discomfort, infections and so forth can all be symptomatic of a malaise in the body which may well affect or be affected by your work. As we grow older the matter of foot-care becomes more important as health issues such as diabetes or poor circulation can make even a minor injury into a grave risk.

You should wash your feet at least twice a day, using a mild soap so as not to irritate the skin and provoke infection, paying special attention to any cuts, scrapes and bruises. (I prefer cold water to hot, it's better for removing foo icks.) Dry carefully, and treat your feet to whatever fuckIhatethisword energy healing methods you may favour.

It is never too early or too late to start enjoying the benefits of sensible shoes. Bad shoes impact negatively on mood, posture and physical health. If you are walking around in ill-fitting, severely damaged, or unclean footwear, it follows that you may not be attending sufficiently to your magical practice and general bien-ĂȘtre. A good magician should ideally be doing plenty of walking, ability permitting, and if you don't have decent footware you won't want to. Furthermore, you should have a pair of shoes that you wear around the house; get dressed down to these every morning and see how much more productive you become.
 
 
Katherine
12:41 / 15.08.07
I hope this comes across the right way, but further on from Live's post I would say learning to take care of yourself fullstop is important in any any of practice whether it is magical or not. This can mean from the above footcare to booking that eye test you keep on forgetting.
 
  

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