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The Filth #1

 
  

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invisible_al
10:58 / 09.06.02
No one's talked much about the front cover by Carlos Segura. Certainly grabbed my attention on the shelf as it looked nothing like anything else there.

Immediate associations, instructional posters, helpful hints for lifting and carrying from health ministry, textbook diagrams for virus replication. Then when I read it, us=the filth verses the little people, the masses but also the population of a minature earth.

I'm thinking Slade is on the earth below, upstairs seems a bit too clean and clinical for the world of filth he's living in. And yeah get that filth thats all around. Grant's having fun immersing us in every meaning of the word, from dirty 70's living rooms to more porn that you could shake a stick at. Razzle reality, wonderful

I liked it, none of this breaking you in gently stuff, straight into the filth world with no holding back. Keep up with the story or get left behind

Btw anyone had a look at the preview pages from issues 2 and 3, looks like Grants just getting started on weirdness for weirdnesses sake.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:24 / 09.06.02
I mentioned the cover, thanks: from the colour and shape of it's markings I discerned the beast's natural habitat. I left it coiled there, ready to pounce and upset little Timmy's rightly-shocked parents.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:26 / 09.06.02
It was okay... it just sets up a lot of questions which will hopefully be answered in future issues. And presumerably the amnesia is so that everything will have to be explained to Slade and therefore to us... Chris Weston's art has improved on his invisibles stuff, no 'inappropriate' facial gestures this time. The whole thing with Slade and his cat did seem a lot more heartfelt than other stuff, and is this an example of the end of a theme, in Animal Man and Invisibles the cat was dead before the story started.

But, X-Men did feel better. Almost, more mature, as though with X-men the limitations make him mind the Ps & Qs whereas with The Filth he relaxes and chucks some profanity and bad sex in. I think the story will start properly with issue 2, so we'll have to wait and see what happens.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:26 / 09.06.02
Has anyone mentioned the fact that the Hand uniforms have fucking dildos on their collars? That kind of makes the comic, I feel...

Other thoughts: I'm pretty sure LePen's pens are a reference to a Kafka short story that is itself referred to in William Gibson's Idoru - there's a Kafka theme bar in Tokyo in that novel that has a sculpture made of huge pens on the ceiling. It's an image that nicely sums up the comic's themes - sex, violence, sexual violence, all filtered through a very writing-aware piece of writing... And LePen sharing the name of the French National Front fucker can't be a coincidence... That's one of the best pages in the issue, I think - all that icky technology/body collision...

Morrison seems completely obsessed with needles at the moment, doesn't he? Loads of them in New X-Men and now more here, "that blue shit", evil Cronenburg-style body horror, which is also there in Simon's slave - which is completely fucking chilling, "help... I was taking the train home from work", and I think kind of counters the argument that all this stuff is just there to shock.

Last thought for now - the purple coat bastard guy with the ponytail is Wolverine.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:48 / 09.06.02
"two eye drops in each eye, they'll protect your eyeballs from compression"

i saw this as meaning they were going really really fast, compressing in 9th gear...
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:29 / 09.06.02
it also makes me think of compression as a writing style -- this book is moving fast and throwing tons of densely packed information at us with densely packed pages full of fucked up art... we need some kind of filter (like an internet porn filter?) to protect us from the compressed narrative.
 
 
invisible_al
20:27 / 09.06.02
Nah full speed ahead and set course for the heart of the sun .

Highly compressed narratives, I like it, give you a lot of fun re-reading and finding the details. If thats your thing, is mine.
 
 
Ganesh
17:33 / 10.06.02
Bowie reference ahoy!

Purple Coat Bastard Guy = The Man Who Sold The World...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:56 / 10.06.02
Just got it today. Loved it. But will join the discussion proper when I'm not drunk and in a hurry.

Just wanted to add my "yay" there, really.
 
 
invisible_al
19:11 / 10.06.02
>I mentioned the cover, thanks: from the colour and shape of it's >markings I discerned the beast's natural habitat. I left it coiled >there, ready to pounce and upset little Timmy's rightly-shocked >parents.

Oh sorry dude, was rushing to talk about the cool comic stuff .
But yeah thats another reference for the cover, British Rail school of design, that orange is definately from there. Good call.
Does anyone know if the covers are going to stay with this oh so scrumptious design school?
 
 
Mr Wolfe
21:50 / 10.06.02
"Don't fuck with the Hand"

= don't be a wanker, wanker.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
22:12 / 10.06.02
i don't know if i have a different version of this book than everyone else, but she says DON'T FUCK WITH THE FILTH doesn't she?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:20 / 10.06.02
I feel all dirty.

But I like it.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:25 / 10.06.02
Oh yeah, the first page in the newsagent. I noticed that bottles had "peni" written on them, and there was a whole row of "nutz". This book postively oozes filth.

Oh, and I have to say, I don't think that the first page is all that revolutionary. I'm certain I've seen that sort of thing all over the place, but anyway.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
00:20 / 11.06.02
what is it about that first page? that it shows several moments of time in a single frame, and that those moments are replicated by the individual panels above? that's what i took it to mean after a long while, after i got over the idea of it being clones.

it's a pretty cool use of time in graphic storytelling... reminiscent of but nothing like chris ware. what are other examples of this technique?

also, anyone want to hazard a theory on the significance of november 23, 2001, the date of the story's beginning?
 
 
the Fool
05:25 / 11.06.02
also, anyone want to hazard a theory on the significance of november 23, 2001, the date of the story's beginning?

11 , 23 , 2001

23 , 2 , 1 + 1 + 1 = 3

23 , 2 , 3

23, 23

23 out mysterious recurring number... the number of horus, apparently...
 
 
Mystery Gypt
06:56 / 11.06.02
well, yeah, there's that. number 23, check.

any thing else?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:15 / 11.06.02
The security cam shots on pages 2 and 3, one of them has the time out of sync, deliberate or cock-up?
 
 
rizla mission
12:53 / 11.06.02
Thanks to everyone for their ideas/interpretations - I seriously need to exercise my 'decoding weird comic book' muscles, I didn't pick up on any of this stuff .. didn't even make the connection between the first page and and the demise of Dr. Soon..

Brief opinion: I think this comic is really, really good - it's got an initially off-putting quality which I think is probably deliberate .. from the awkward panel arrangements and the unbelievable crapness of the whatever's uniforms and vehicles .. and Chris Weston's gurning faces and lumpy bodies just reinforce this .. basically, the whole thing's just fucking ugly, which fits perfectly with the themes and the story.. I think it takes a few rereads to get past this and look at the more interesting aspects .. as Jack Fear and others have pointed out, there's a fucking obscene amount of symbolism floating around in there..

the detail Weston puts into the artwork is pretty stunning too, even if his umans are an acquired taste..

Basically, there's something deeply whacked about this comic .. not just in the traditional 'weird' or 'offensive' sense, but there's something so off-kilter about the rhythm and the visuals and the things it chooses to focus on that I can imagine even hardened Morrison fans being repulsed, let alone casual comics buyers .. definite freak appeal..
 
 
The Natural Way
13:05 / 11.06.02
Weston's art becomes considerably uglier once it's coloured. His B&W stuff's really cool.

Check out the Crack Comics site and some of the links - you'll see what I mean.

I love the vehicles (esp the one with the 'Thomas the Tank Engine' face - eerie). Can totally see how this began as a Nick Fury proposal. Would've fucked on Ennis's lazy "tired, swearing old soldier" take, and, of course, more accurately resembled the character's original, psychedelic super-spy schtick
 
 
adamswish
16:06 / 11.06.02
Does anyone know if the covers are going to stay with this oh so scrumptious design school?

Guess so. Take time out of the story and check Grant's little piece in "on the ledge". He refers to the covers as "groundbreaking pharmaco-modernist".

One thing though on page two. How come Chris felt the need to doctor the pretty famous tabloid name but in the background you can make out the magazine "GQ". Surely Sun is pretty well known in the States too. Unless DC are yet another company that runs scared of upsetting Murdoch.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:19 / 11.06.02
Well, I know that one of the next two issues has a fairly mediocre painting of the robo-dolphins, so it's probably going to be basic Vertigo-school-of-ugly-muddy-paintings from here on out, I think.

It's a shame.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:37 / 12.06.02
No, Flux, I think that might be a promo piece: Grant said something about Segura doing the "covers", plural.
 
 
kid coagulant
12:43 / 12.06.02
All the previews I've seen have Carlos Segura as doing the covers. No cover previews, though.

'In "Perfect Victim" the weirdness escalates as abused microbots, mind-controlled debauchees, and the world’s deadliest assassin — who just happens to be a Russian chimpanzee — all take the stage. Just one question: What does it all mean?'
 
 
CameronStewart
14:03 / 12.06.02
>>>Can totally see how this began as a Nick Fury proposal<<<

You wot?

Where did you hear this?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:45 / 12.06.02
“Then, in 2000, I tried to turn it into a Nick Fury: Agent Of Shield proposal but that didn't work out so 'The Hand', as it was originally entitled, then mutated wildly one last time and became The Filth. I'm very happy it did - the book as it stands now is much more original and rich than it might have been."

Grant, from the interview at newsarama.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:18 / 12.06.02
Ah - I must have skimmed over that bit.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:35 / 12.06.02
man, i gotta get smarter or something, i just read the stuff and looked at the art, read it twice and missed most of what you all are talkin about, will read it again when i get home
 
 
Mr Wolfe
21:27 / 12.06.02
Smoke drugs.
 
 
Ellis says:
09:22 / 13.06.02
So are The Filth the good guys or the bad guys?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:12 / 13.06.02
Given that we don't know who or what "the filth" are, if there are even characters who refer to themselves as "the filth" or if it's simply a blanket title like "Watchmen" (which, despite what you may think you remember, was never called "The Watchmen" and never had any group of characters to referred to themselves, or were referred to by others, as "The Watchmen"), it's hard to say.

And it's probably a blind alley to be talking about "good guys" and "bad guys," anyway.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:51 / 13.06.02
Oh yes.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
15:01 / 13.06.02
jathink we should send bush a copy of da filth?

intere-stink innit: ameriga is 'cleansing' itself of impurities the noo.

and it has a great fear of bacterial attack.

'one by one' - tosser

ha ha!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:05 / 15.06.02
Shell suit. The guy on the first page is wearing a fucking shell suit. The colour reminds me of the Quality Comics Zenith reprints, all fluorescent greens and yellows. The greasy ponytail, too. Early 90's throwback.

The possible mistake with the times on the security camera, pages 2 & 3, is echoed in the copy of Young Sluts that Feely buys; camera says we're watching events in 2001, the magazine is June 2002's issue.

There's a completely blank sticker on the shop window, page 4, between 'Thieves will be prosecuted' and 'It is illegal to sell...'. Waiting for LePen to write something in?

The product of Feely's nose-picking shines on his fingertip just before he eats it. Magic mirror.

The bus stop sign, page 7, clearly says 'BUS STAR'. Christ knows why...

The new Greg Feely tells Slade, "I'm here to keep Greg's life warm for you while you return to active duty," page 15, but on page 14 Sade says, "I needed more time. I was promised more time," suggesting that he was already on some form of active duty.

'SPEED KILLS!' on the wall that the toothy garbage truck passes through.

'RIOT SUCCEEDS' on the screen, page 20, seems to be a separate panel from the main image, facing the reader full on rather than being integrated into the LePen image like the others. It's also the only screen which presents this version of events, all the others pronouncing 'RIOT FAILS TO HAPPEN'. The first headline could realistically appear in newspapers, the second isn't exactly earth-shattering. It's like putting 'NO EARTHQUAKES TODAY' or 'COMPLETE LACK OF SCANDAL IN PARLIAMENT' on the front of your paper. Presumably, the riot originally happens, but LePen is in the process of rewriting events.

Two immediate visual references on this page. Firstly, Ragged Robin in the timesuit/the King Of All Tears (who I'm still convinced are one and the same). It makes sense, the theme of changing history through creative fiction recalling Robin's Sky experiences.

Second: the whole page is like a bloody Jean Michel Jarre stage show. The speakers either side of LePen, the massive keyboard (and the one in front of LePen), the colours (fluorescents again), even the keyboard supports look like some stupid prog-rock guitar arsery. In fact, the whole 'Hand' organisation recalls unfortunate prog excess. The clothes, the wigs, the colours, the awful stage props. I hope it all looks like this for a good reason, because, frankly, it's fucking embarrassing. Much more so than Freely's life, which I just took to be the everyday experience of yr 'common man'; get up late for work, put up with a boss who hates you, go home to a cold, lonely house, have a wank, go to bed, do the same again tomorrow.

Hell, I hate the look. I wish it had been black & white, if only to provide some kind of continuity between the cover and the pages inside. The toothy garbage truck looks like Weston pulled it out from his discard pile, left over from his 2000AD days. The colour scheme for everything Hand-related is full-on superhero geek. On the plus side, there's enough detail in there to keep the completely anal occupied for a fair old while.

It's not a particularly confusing issue, it just doesn't seem to go anywhere. I'm going to treat it as an Invisibles side-story until I've seen some more.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:39 / 15.06.02
Hmm. Us vs Them. This was supposed to be The Invisibles from Sir Miles' point of view, yes? In which case, 'Us' is The Hand, the authority in this universe. 'Them' is, in fact, us; everyone else, the public, the plebs, the scum. The Filth.

Evidence:

Purple-suited 'bad' guy's jacket ties in with those of Slade and comb-over girl. Both known 'Hand' members' clothes have hints of old British Empire uniforms. Ruling classes = sexual repression = thinly-vieled references to genitalia on the uniforms (cheers, Flyboy) and in LePen's organic machine. In fact, LePen looks very similar to Miss Dwyer, suited and booted. LePen's not changing events, simply covering them up, keeping the great unwashed (filth!) ignorant, sedated.

The cover: two figures as 'Us', many figures representing 'Them'. It's the great fear of governments, ruling parties, the world over. Keep the barbarians from the gates.

Them uniforms again. They look shit because they're supposed to. They're what Chief Constable Blahdeblah believes the kids think of as 'cool'. Old Man Authority, always fifteen years behind the times.

"Don't fuck with the filth". She's not telling Slade not to mess The Hand about, 'The Filth' doesn't refer to The Hand. She's warning him not to get sucked into the everyday existence that he's been leading as Feely, the regular, working Joe.

They were going to kill the cat. Morrison wouldn't have his caharcters kill a cat unless they were villains or anti-heroes. The only 'good' character we've seen so far was Soon, trying to free everyone from The Hand by creating a new world. Now The Hand have got hold (arf) of it, they've got twice the opportunity to make life grey and miserable.

The Invisbles wanted to lead humanity into a universe where there were no sides, where there was only us. This is Sir Miles' dream come true. A world segregated, us vs them.
 
  

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