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The Filth #1

 
  

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Captain Zoom
17:53 / 05.06.02
Um, woah.
I'm a little confused, but I suppose that's to be expected.

I love the slogans everywhere.

I'm really going to have to read it a few more times before I can ring in with a proper opinion. But I think I like it.

Zoom.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
22:03 / 05.06.02
Just got it and read it–it's cool, some cool ideas (woman with comb-over!), but I didn't really feel it. I'll have to give it some time. None of the visceral response of, say, this week's New X-Men which continues to inspire and encourage me despite (or because of) its childlike simplicity. Filth was a bit of a letdown though, I have to say, but I'll have to give it time to build.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
00:14 / 06.06.02
I agree, I think the new issue of New X-Men was a lot better. The differences are quite stark - the issue of NXM was quiet and intimate, simplistic and character driven. It was all about thoughts and emotions. The Filth was more like The Invisibles, kind of cold and distant - it felt a bit like a put-on, something that was trying to get me excited or even shock me. It's far too early for me to say much about this series, but I sure hope Grant makes at least one of the characters likeable, because I just can't get into any of these characters.

Reading the issue, I got the feeling that it was like a bunch of leftover ideas for the Invisibles (or things Grant thought of afterwards and was upset that they came too late) just thrown together. The Filth certainly has that "here's a big idea! here's another one! here's something sort of crazy! here's some people acting sort of badass" thing that the Invisibles had, but I've never really been into that much. I'd much rather have characters, thank you. Still, I'm being really unfair since this is only the first issue. Or maybe I'm being more fair to Grant than he deserves - if someone else wrote this, I'd be thinking "geez. another dystopian future. and the characters are a bit like the ones in The Matrix. oh brother, here we go again."

I quite liked that a lot of the scenes played out without dialogue and intentionally moved slowly...I think Weston shows off a lot of his storytelling chops, and just from this issue I already have a greater appreciation of his talents.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
00:49 / 06.06.02
Some of the things I liked about this issue:

When our hero leaves the store where he is presumably being taped by a surveillance camera, the camera apparently follows him out the the street and onto the bus and zooms in and out. So either everywhere is under surveillance by different cameras or something is following him. Maybe that girl with the camera-eye (which is not the most terribly original idea, I have to say).

page 4: newsstands say "Riots to Come?" on them; later on the "lePen" character (???? French wannabe-dictator or "reality scribe"? And related to "LeSexy"?) has all the screens around her that say "Riot Succeeds" and "Riot Fails to Happen" so evidentally The Hand controls tomorrow's headlines

Recurring Morrisonian/Invisibles plot elements: cats, the return of some rainbow-like magic mirror variant, the return of somebody who looks like Boy and leads our hero through the same kind of personality deconditioning that Boy goes through in "Sensitive Criminals"–and she also has a three-letter name (Nil).

Why do all the characters and their "vehicles" look like some fucked-up, lame action figure line from the 80s? Especially with Weston, who draws everybody like they're carved out of plastic (and wrongly at that).

But really, not much of this is that shocking: like second-rate "yo mama" jokes ("my dad was a good cocksucker" or whatever); the combover thing was funny though as was "white guys with black dicks." I wonder if Morrison's new interest in internet porn is... purely professional?

The cover, of course, is awesome, but I have yet to be impressed–however, he is carving (as is Weston–ha ha) out a distinct style that may seem more obvious and cool in retrospect. I am looking forward to #2, but the website is shit, just like g-m.com: looks like something from '96.

Also, what the fuck is going on in the last page, can someone explain it to me?
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
00:51 / 06.06.02
Also–just to add, is Greg Feely actually King Mob when KM has the vision–in Black Science 2, I think–of seeing himself as a fat burn-out who doesn't care about anything anymore?
 
 
Sandfarmer
01:04 / 06.06.02
I got pretty excited when I saw this on the rack at the local comic shop. I'm currently in the middle of the most challenging and stressful year of my life so far so getting excited about a comic book is a pretty big deal.

I liked it a lot. Great writing, good art, good production. Its nice to have a mature Grant Morrison comic. This is the first Vertigo comic I've bought in a long time other than 100 Bullets. (Can't wait for Paul Popes book though.)

As good as it is, it could just be another Invisibles story arc. Same themes and conventions. Just raw and nasty instead of sleek and sexy. Its like the Invisibles from Sir Miles point of view.
 
 
Jack Fear
02:02 / 06.06.02
Also, what the fuck is going on in the last page, can someone explain it to me?

Sure. A Dr. Soon has created a miniature, artificial earth with two billion leetle tiny people on it: this mini-Earth is stored inb a secret lab. Mr. Purple-Coat BadAss has found out about it, beaten the secret location out of Dr. Soon, and then set her on fire (see also Page One), either hurling her body onto the surface of ickle tiny Earth, or onto a transparent floor under which ickle tiny Earth spins in a force field.

Seemed pretty straightforward to me.

Touchstones for THE FILTH:

The TV series of Gerry Anderson, esp. UFO (the goofy vehicles and outfits, the crazy-colored wigs)

Individual vs Collective (Us vs Them)

Wordplay, wordplay, wordplay:
Filth = dirst, garbage = entropy.
Filth = smut = pornography.
Filth = degenerate people, the criminal class = the agents of chaos.
"The Filth" = "The Fuzz" = slang for the cops = the agents of control.

Greg/Gregory. As in porn director Greg Dark? (now crossing over into "legitimate" cinema via his association with Britney Spears...)

Feely: a sexual connotation (copping a feel) but a non-pentrative, vaguely pathetic one. Also implying a sensitivity and depth of emotion--"touchy-feely"--much tender feeling towards Tony (the Tiger?) cat.

Many connotations of The Hand explicated or hinted at the Crack Comicks site.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:48 / 06.06.02
Flux:

In one of his recent interviews, Grant mentions that, in the beginning, the Filth concerns itself w/ his major preoccupations at the end of the Invisibles. He also suggests that it will evolve beyond that. So....here's hoping.

Love the preview images for 3.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
11:35 / 06.06.02
bastard jubilee delays filth shocker!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:51 / 06.06.02
I haven't read many of the new interviews yet - did he mention anything about The Filth having any interesting characters in it?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:30 / 06.06.02
He has said that he think THE FILTH has "more heart" than THE INVISIBLES. Take from that what you will.

More things noticed upon re-reading:

It seems Dr. Soon has indeed been flung to the surface of her "Bonsai Planet"—that in her dying hours, as she died of shock, she felt its miniscule inhabitants crawling all over her. As in THE INVISIBLES, then, we have a creator/God-figure who has fallen into his/her own creation—but in THE FILTH that fallen God is manifested not as 4-D Magic Mirror, but as a smouldering corpse splayed from Tierra del Fuego to Iowa City.

Last page a big, explicit "As above, so below."

From the viewpooint of the Bonsai Planet, then: God is absent—literally, God is dead—and the world is about to be handed over to a Satan figure, to do with as he will—the unseen Simon, "the world's richest and most perverted man," is about to be given the opportunity for the ultimate perversion—to fuck an entire world, either literally ("ejaculating into the ecoisphere") or figuratively—as a cruel God. Internet porn and THE SIMS become one.

Thought: what is the connection of Slade's narrative to that of Simon? That is—is Slade's world the world above, or the world below? Will The Hand be investigating the disappearance of Dr. Soon, or the appearance of a smoking carcass thousands of miles long?

More names and connotations: Slade. 1970s band ("Cum On Feel The Noize") that affected the sound of glam-rock, but also an aggressive, even caricaturish, rural working-class image. Also Brian Slade, the polysexual shagmonster glam-rock antihero and David Bowiue figure of Todd Haynes' film VELVET GOLDMINE.

Who is the woman who speaks to Feely/Slade on the bus? I thought at first she was an agent of the Hand, sent to "activate" Slade: GM has used the white-on-black speech balloons before, to indicate neuro-linguistic activation (see "Counting to None," when Oscar's cell is deprogramming Boy)... but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

What exactly does she mean by her warning "Don't fuck with the Hand?" Is that "fuck with" as in to cross/betray, or "fuck with" as in to become involved at all? Is she warning Slade not to make the Hand his enemy—or not to make the Hand his ally?

More as it occurs to me.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:45 / 06.06.02
can we call you jack filth?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:46 / 06.06.02
...

...

No.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:15 / 06.06.02
Heh. I just noticed that the thread title is misspelled.

"Quick, Henry, the FLITH!"
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:23 / 06.06.02
Thank you Jack, for making my second reading of the Filth #1 a lot more enjoyable than my first.

I'm still not "feeling it", as it were.
 
 
rizla mission
14:24 / 06.06.02
(skipping rest of thread for spoiler reasons)

I am sooo frustrated that the local nightmaregeekdungeon comics emporium have a publicity copy of The Filth that they "haven't been arsed" to read, but aren't allowed to sell me one until "Monday, most likely". ARGH.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:55 / 06.06.02
Argh. Does that go for all of our humble village Riz? Oh, wait... there's only one nightmaregeekdungeon isn't there... ?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
18:29 / 06.06.02
She says, on page six, "don't fuck with the FILTH" not the hand. on page 9 she says "the hand never lets go". if the hand and the filth are identicial, it's interesting to ntoe that Slade / Feely does "fuck with" his OWN hand on page 8 when he masturbates...

9 lots of attention paid to the HANDS of the clocks in the ofice, in his house, on his wrist. the hands of time never let go, forcing him through his mundane reality.

page 14 -- those quilted orange shoulder pads on his uniform look mighty familiar -- i don't have my copies of invisibles on me, but was a similar uniform employed by soldiers of harmony house or or dulce or other outlets of the outer church?

page 15 -- i'm almost reminded of those kickass animated crest commericals from the late 70s / early 80s -- "fight the cavity creeps" -- when slade uses his toothbrush as a deadly weapon. his doppleganger might indeed be a living germ of some sort.

18 "two eye drops in each eye, they'll protect your eyeballs from compression" -- i'm assuming this means they're going to get smaller. given morrison's skill at complications, that doesn't necessarily mean they're going into the bonsai-verse, but they are shifting to a different density.

17 see how on the last panel, the foreground / background perspective make it look as though slade is tiny in relation to the cat? that gaping mouth on the "cleansing" truck reminds me of something that happened in Aeon Flux -- she released chomping mechanical bacteriaphages into her bloodstream to swallow the explsive-tipped sperm that got pumped into her. i think the notion hear might be some kind of germ-cleaning task force operating on the cosmic level -- or the microscopic level, we'll keep on guessing.

19 did someone already mention how driving through the wall to get to the other dimension is just like buckaroo banzai? and with the talk of the bonasai panet to boot. After all the focus on the HANDS of clocks, this one spins out of control and breaks out of the grip of time and space -- these particular hands have in fact let go.

20 this page is so fucking crazy. note all the hand-operated paraphenalia that makes up the scenery -- giant PENS, a great disco synthesizer KEYBOARD, and of course all the alien PENISES (esp on the bottom of the page) and VAGINAS (upper right). i guess this creature is called LePEN because of something that related to the giant pens all around her. maybe she is writing the outcome of reality? the riot succeeds / riot fails to happen are more than reminiscent of the screens in the outer church of the invisibles that said YES / NO.

in fact, wasn't the outerchurch supposedely an entire universe compressed into a tiny space? all the converts would talk about how they couldn't believe something could be so small and so dense. so wether literally or metaphorically, we seem to be inside the outer church, a micro universe with their own undisclosed agenda.

23 on the as above so below shot, not all the Xsw and Os that surround the turret -- reminding us, again, "it's only a game"
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
23:58 / 06.06.02
If the Filth were all it was cracked up to be, it would read something like this.
 
 
Trijhaos
00:16 / 07.06.02
That is filthy.
 
 
Jackie Susann
00:48 / 07.06.02
I thought it was pretty abysmal - The Ultimate Invisibles as written by Mark Millar in his 'sex and violence, see how controversial I am' worst.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
04:07 / 07.06.02
The name "Feely" reminded me of the "feelies" produced by the College of Emotional Engineering in Brave New World: just-barely-stories which are presented in full tactile/olfactory sense-surround.

I won't be able to agree or disagree with Crunchy until I've read issue #3, I think.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:39 / 07.06.02
So...has the Queen fucked the release date roight oop Gahvnor?

Fucking Queen.....
 
 
01
18:05 / 07.06.02
This issue rocked.

"Its like the Invisibles from Sir Miles point of view."

Damn right. Everyone who doesn't like this comic is probably expecting it to be even more grandiose and to provide more of an "explanation" than The Invisibles. However, this is impossible. The writer has already spelled it out for us. The Filth is Morrison's way of explaning the other side. It's only an extension to The Invisibles. It doesn't supercede it. The only way that it could do is if he somehow learned to script a comic book so that it's writing would actually, physically trigger a DMT experience.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:34 / 07.06.02
Everyone who doesn't like this comic is probably expecting it to be even more grandiose and to provide more of an "explanation" than The Invisibles

Um, not really. I'm not too crazy about it yet because the first issue was mostly incoherant and lacked endearing/compelling characters. I've come to expect this sort of thing based on Grant's previous work in Doom Patrol, New X-Men, Kill Your Boyfriend, and chunks of the Invisibles.

I quite like the concept of doing the Invisibles from Sir Miles perspective, that's great. But can we have the characters be as interesting as Sir Miles while we're at it?
 
 
01
18:43 / 07.06.02
Upon first read, yes it is a bit incoherent, but on a second flip through it makes sense.
These aren't the sexy, subversive, cutting edge motherfuckers that the Invisibles were. This guy is depressed and miserable and is reluctantly cluing into the "world outside the world". This is an initiation issue like the first part of the Invisibles was where Dane was offered a glimpse of the outside true world. However, the difference is that Dane was offered a chance, and this guy wasn't.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
19:04 / 07.06.02
It seems Dr. Soon has indeed been flung to the surface of her "Bonsai Planet"—that in her dying hours, as she died of shock, she felt its miniscule THE FILTH that fallen God is manifested not as 4-D Magic Mirror, but as a smouldering corpse splayed from Tierra del Fuego to Iowa City.

Didn't something similar in that Simpsons Halloween episode where Lisa was growing mold in a petrie dish? She got zapped into her "bonsai" world and became the trapped Rex Mundi. And Bart was the "destroyer"....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:19 / 07.06.02
Zerone, I know yr not talking directly to or about me, but I've got to say that I really don't give a fuck whether or not the lead characters are 'sexy' or 'subversive' at all. Actually, I'd prefer if they weren't obviously that way. My personal favorite character in the Invisibles is Mason Lang, mostly for the fact that he's a bit dodgy, and that he's not nearly as 'sexy' and 'subversive' as King Mob or Fanny.

I didn't really like the entire first volume of The Invisibles, and if this story is echoing the structure of that series in 13 issues, I really hope that we jump into the "Invisibles Vol. 2 and 3" sequences sooner than later. Hopefully things will get engaging around issue #3...
 
 
Jack Fear
20:22 / 07.06.02
BTW, for ease of reference--according to the DC Filth mini-site, the badass in the purple coat is named Spartacus Hughes. "ZARDOZ-era Sean Connery," read the concept notes, "70s-style superstud."
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
20:43 / 07.06.02
Well, despite the best efforts of the Queen and the entire British establishment to prevent me from reading the damned thing, I finally got it this afternoon. I like it. I neither found it shocking nor intentionally-shocking-in-a-wanky-kind-of-way- except possibly for the bit with the cat. Loved the 70s decor in Feely's place of residence. I don't think the hand'll be investigating the appearance of a giant corpse; the hand appear to have existed long before the creation of the bonsai planet; alothugh that doesn't really mean much. If 'as above so below' holds, the corpse might end up appearing in both worlds, though. Does the bonsai planet contain it's own dr soon, with it's own bonsai planet?
I wasn't so keen on the 'faster than the speed of wall' thing: although I haven't seen Buckaroo Banzai, to me it was more like platform 9(?) and a half in Harry Potter. It all seemed a bit reminiscent of planetary, although planetary was reminiscent of the invisibles, so that's probably all ok in the grand scheme of things.
All in all, I think it's gonna be a lot better when it starts moving a bit more; maybe too much time was spent establishing the character of Greg Feely, which is possibly a bit pointless if he's going to be cast aside as one of Slade's cover personalities.
Overall, I really liked it.
And what's wrong with 'weirdness for the sake of weirdness?' It's just normality we've not discovered yet.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
20:48 / 07.06.02
Okay, just to explain my last paragraph, I thought someone said that 'weirdness for the sake of...' about this in a critical manner, but when I rereread the thread, it turns out they didn't. Just ignore me...
 
 
Mystery Gypt
03:11 / 08.06.02
i think there's something very interesting about the characterization of greg feely -- which is, who would envy this guys's life? those first few pages are really pretty dark. the only attention he gets is from a surveillance camera and an annoyed boss at work, he's a balding middle aged man masturbating and then denying his interest in pornography to his own cat. it's an absolute horror, a place we all desperately hope we would never want to be.

so why would slade cling to this life? why would he choose it over being the action hero / cosmos saving man of action that he seems to be? this dillema suggest things about our own desire to cling to our identity, even when we could be doing much better. it also suggests that life as an action hero in the hand might well be the worst possible thing imaginable...
 
 
Rev. Jesse
13:22 / 08.06.02
The Filth is not written like a conventional comic book, in a linear, sequential order. Instead, the Filth is written using cutups, a throwback to Burroughs. As such, even the author doesn’t know what form the story will take.

Furthermore, the last 3 pages are a build up to a sigil. Look what Suave Mofo says to the Human Robot Girl about what he’d like her employer to visualize as Simon wanks off.

The comic book told me this. As a communication format, enchanted comic books are certainly an interesting means of distributing information.

The Filth #1 may not be a masterpiece, and certainly doesn’t hold up to, say, Arkham Asylum, but it sure beats the shit out of most of the comics out there.

-Jesse
 
 
The Natural Way
13:45 / 08.06.02
I agree w/ Crunchy - it is gratuitous and sensationalistic, but I think maybe that's the point. I can understand why some readers might not enjoy finding themselves imbedded in some nasty, childish, tabloid/Razzle-style reality, but that's exactly where, within our psyche, the naff and repugnant exploits of the filth are positioned. The bad taste, the pubic "Uerrgh! Look at all this neat, gross stuff!", the infantile fascination w/ the wriggling, many genitaled Feely and partner birthing the Slade super-agent.....the radiance of the "It'd be best to just forget all that..." zones that Morrison is concerned to liberate. He just wants to peel away the surface and see what we find there. Black light.

I suppose the legions of stupid-porn that infest The Filth are best compared w/ the Battle Droids in Star Wars, or something like that. They're there to make the really heavy shit seem really heavy - the big, soulpeeling, bad seem big and soulpeeling. The introduction of the virus. The teen sluts and the overcombed sex-spy and the wanking in the armchair and the "white men fucking your wives w/ black dicks" combine to form a stinky, silly, unpleasant gas that pervades the comic like a bad smell. A farty background ambience. The beginnings of a cold where you just feel a bit unpleasant, before the real thing kicks in and the immune system does its stuff....

So, I like it, even though we've established its all round crapness.


Oh, and I should add: I went to the loo in the train on my way home. Twas a new train and very nice. I had the book w/ me. It's colour scheme was exactly the same as bog's interior decor. I thought it worked, so I left it there, camouflaged in its natural habitat.

Both my cats have died in the last month and we've all got the flu at the moment.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:53 / 09.06.02
usual 'spek to runs and fear.

I read this twice fairly rapidly, using a light dusty chewy morrocan resin as a filter. I thought it was simultaneously shite and fantastic. Both times!

One buzz I got was the riot suceeds sign flashing and then seeing it take place in this months x-men. yeah baby.

And the overt psychedelic sexiness (yes, sexines) of the outer church is soooo right. They're so obviously into their world view, with no moral distractions getting in the way of their awfulness.

The 'bad guy' at the beginning and end seems like a delicious skew on the king mob suit - and the richest pervert in the world? Mason Lang anyone?

We're straight in with the hand (seems appropriate - instant gratification?) and feely's 'real' self, is a Dane McGowan suit (for the time being), showering us all with his 'fucks'- his ultra-rapid innoculation/re-initiation forcing the expletives out.

It's like the outerchurch shot by Paul Verhoeven.

Actually come to think of it, Attack of the Clones is a product of the Hand. Sickly pychedelic, an all consuming logos reblanding (sic) the spectacle with too much of everything.

Some of Grants techno-speak one liners bugged me a little but overall I'm luvvin it already.

ps. That first page is comic-book innovation guys. expect to se it being used by lesser hacks v. soon.
 
  

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