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Northern Lights/ The Golden Compass - The Film

 
  

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Ethan Hawke
17:39 / 17.05.02
Tom Stoppard (Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, Travesties, etc.) is in negotiations to script the film adaptations of Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy, beloved by many Barbelites (but personally I panned).

Yahoo

What on earth would this be like?
 
 
The Strobe
18:52 / 17.05.02
In a word:

good.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:28 / 18.05.02
I'll sit on the fence and say interesting. Just read it myself. And if Stoppard is doing the adaptation then any dumbing down that may be done won't be his fault.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:22 / 18.05.02
certainly interested to see how they go about this...
 
 
Spaniel
10:03 / 09.08.05
Er, according to Aint it Cool News, the "God stuff" will be cut from the adaptation.

Exactly how do you cut the "God stuff" and have it still be HDM?
 
 
sleazenation
10:11 / 09.08.05
To put it simply, you don't.

The studio behind this film don't want HDM, they want their own Harry Potter franchise. And that is what they will get. Read the book, watch the stage show, avoid the film.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:23 / 09.08.05
This rumour is a bit old - the smart consensus is that it remains to be seen whether the Authority and church's (generally agreed) ability to stand in for any repressive authoritarian hierarchy works without the specific Christian overtones/references. This will entirely depend on how well it is handled, rather than the decision to remove these specifics in itself - I find it easy to imagine an adaptation that even eliminated certain of the novels' arguable flaws in the process. We shall have to wait and see.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:24 / 09.08.05
Of course, sleaze may have some insider knowledge that I don't which enables him to make statements about what the studio want and whether the film will be worth seeing.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:34 / 09.08.05
Well, it would certainly be more profitable for the studio to have something as successful as the Harry potter franchise; and if having an anti-religious element in the film makes it less likely to be as successful, then the studio may well try to remove the element in question. It's not hard to imagine, in fact it happens all the time, doesn't it?
 
 
Spaniel
11:36 / 09.08.05
I can't shake the feeling that if they use anything resembling the Christian church they'll open themselves up accusations of blasphemy, regardless of how it's handled.
 
 
Seth
16:22 / 09.08.05
You know, when I read Flyboy’s comment the Authority and church's (generally agreed) ability to stand in for any repressive authoritarian hierarchy I wonder whether I was reading the same books as him. So much so that I’ll quote my post from the Books forum thread in almost its entirety:

Pullman’s on record in interview that his thoughts extend to all authoritarian systems, but the text doesn’t reflect this: it singles out one specific religion and strips it of love, sensuality, art, wisdom and (most tellingly) Christ. All disconfirming examples, all breadth and levels and types and denominations of Christianity are ignored. The church is depicted as dull, ignorant, fanatical, murderous, and bland: an abomination, ruled by a senile and aged demiurge. Pullman sets up some good and currently very popular concepts within a broadly Gnostic story, and then sledgehammers it into a mess of demonising the enemy. Piss poor.

Hmmmm… the way out of the prison camp afterlife is to recount the story of your life to the harpies, and we’re warned in the latter half of the book that it’d better be a full and interesting tale. When you reconcile that with Pullman’s painstakingly established notion that within working rules of his universe Christianity is always a barrier to living a whole and happy life, it’s not a step too far to imagine exactly who will come to populate his vision of hell.


I’m flabbergasted that the excellent critique that’s usually offered on Barbelith on matters of oversimplification and generalisation isn’t extended to this text. In the context of the distortion and defacing of Christianity in the novels leading up to the end it’s easy to see Mary’s voice as the authors: “I saw that there wasn’t any God at all and that physics was more interesting anyway. The Christian religion is a very powerful and convincing mistake, that’s all.” The dismissive tone is the most offensive element and encapsulates the Pullman’s approach: throughout the trilogy he’s astonishingly single-minded in his quest to strip Christianity of every redeeming feature until he’s left with something that - in the end - vanishes like a puff of smoke.

And it’s not only the lack of counter-examples, it’s the absence of inclusivity in the Authority. Where are the representatives of other humanity crushing and repressive organisations in its structure? Where are the other religions, the corporations, the military… it is depicted solely as the Christian church with no acceptable analogues to anything else. There seems to be a confusion between HDM and what Pullman says about HDM, and in that respect even he’s been open enough to refer to his portrayal of the church as a mistake, even if it was one sentence in an otherwise huge interview. Redefining the work to change its emphasis from what Pullman actually wrote to what he bizarrely believes he wrote can only strengthen the message.

How would criticisms differ if the Authority wore the tropes of Islam?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:51 / 09.08.05
This just in: variety reports that Anand (HILARY AND JACKIE) Tucker has signed to direct The Golden Compass.

Also, The Golden Compass will be shot as a one-off, with the other two films to follow only if the success of TGC warrants. Makes sense, from both a financial and a story standpoint: TGC is by far the most self-contained of the books.
 
 
haus of fraser
13:13 / 10.04.06
b- bump!

This is all on going and definitely happening- i've got a friend in the know- and they are currently holding 'open auditions' for the part of Lyra- which indicates that the part's not gone to dakota fanning (as i'd read elsewhere a while back!) - so if you are a girl aged between 9 and 13 you had better be quick!

There's no mention of casting Will (who doesn't appear until The Subtle Knife- but was in throughout the stageplay) then i'm assuming that he's either not in it or the part will go to a known actor.

I'll try and find out more from my friend if any parts have been cast yet.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
13:39 / 10.04.06
Nice one Copey, i'm off to audition for the part now. wish me luck.
 
 
Spaniel
13:58 / 10.04.06
As far as I know, Copey, (and I'm aware that we might share the same source) the part of Tom will also go to an unknown.

My contact tells me they're going to be throwing an enormous amount of money at this project.
 
 
haus of fraser
14:41 / 10.04.06
Probably a different contact Boboss but it sounds like its going to be interesting.

I can't believe the money's not in place for the sequels- while i hope this will be a success i have this bad feeling that reminds me of the first attempt to make the animated Lord of The Rings...

I'd imagine they're going to try and 'do a Potter' and cram every known British actor in every possible adult cameo going.

Nice one Copey, i'm off to audition for the part now. wish me luck.

Now that is an audition i'd like to see...
 
 
Jack Fear
01:03 / 24.06.06
An interesting photograph from the floor of the 2006 Licensing Show in New York.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:40 / 18.08.06
Daniel Craig IS Lord Asriel. Well paint me purple and call me Percy, I'm very excited about this.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:12 / 18.08.06
And Nicole Kidman is Mrs Coulter (this is confirmed), whilst Eva Green will be playing Serafina Pekkala, apparently. Rumoured to be providing the voice of Iorek? Ian Mc-aggregating-cocksucker-Shane.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:34 / 19.08.06
Big Brother winner Pete Bennett has been cast as a new character, introduced by New Line in an epilogue that, it is hoped, will placate Christian groups.

"Pete will play Nick Brother, a friend of Will's from school," director Chris Weitz explained. "We discover that Will is haunted by Nick's death, and there's a beautiful scene where he explains to Lyra that he lost faith in Heaven when Nick passed on. As he talks about Nick, we dissolve to a flashback of Pete falling down some stairs and tragically breaking his neck. It's here that Pantalaimon first approaches Will and lets someone else touch him. It's going to be a really powerful moment."

[VT]

Will: He was a really mental friend. The best. [he struggles to hold back tears]

Lyra: Oh, that ent right. [touching his hand] There must be an 'eaven, Will. And your mate's there, I knows it!

Will: If I could just see him again, I'd believe. I'd believe there was a Heaven!

[/VT]

Dakota Blue Richards, playing Lyra, explained that the scene was a late addition to the script. "We'd just wrapped on the death of the Authority, showing the collapse of Heaven and the death of God? So we were kind of drained and it was pretty emotional... then Chris brought out the new scene and said we were shooting it right now, so we were like [laughs] OK... whatever!"

The epilogue reveals that the "Authority" was only a false God, and that the true Heaven is infinitely more glorious than the kingdom that just seemed to collapse. Jim Weddon of SFX house Cinesite explains that "we did this huge CGI extravaganza of Pete [Bennett] tumbling down the spiral stairs from Heaven, and landing at Will and Lyra's feet. To be honest, it's not quite up to the standard of the other CGI cause we had to do it overnight, and we took most of it from [1998 Robin Williams movie] What Dreams May Come. But [shrugs] just do what you're paid for, don't you."

Pete takes up the story. "It was mental, man. *koff WANKERS!* I just had to, hurrm! fall down this, like, staircase *koff*, it was just *twitch* y'know, hrrn! be yourself, really *WANKERS!*"

"Pete told us he'd had a vision that he'd be paid £25 million for his two minute appearance," Chris Weitz went on. "It would have been really out of keeping with the integrity of Phillip Pullman's story to let him down."
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:53 / 19.08.06
You are an evil hellchild.

And what's so wrong with Ian Mcshane? At least it's not Mike The Big One McShane.
 
 
Spaniel
19:12 / 22.08.06
So Annand Tucker has been dropped and it's now being directed by the guy who did American Pie, American Pie 2 and American Wedding.

Great.
 
 
iamus
22:37 / 22.08.06
He only directed the first one, but.... yeah..... um.....

Ah, you never know. Stranger choices have come good before.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:41 / 22.08.06
Boboss, you sound like... well, one of those moaners, y'know? Chris Weitz is a pretty interesting jack of all trades, as anyone who's seen Chuck & Buck will attest.
 
 
haus of fraser
10:05 / 23.08.06
Not seen Chuck & Buck but have seen About a Boy- which was really shit.

I'm prepared to hold out for hope on this one although its not sounding great to be honest- especially if his casting of the punchable/ forgetable kid that couldn't act in AaB is anything to go on...
 
 
Spaniel
11:39 / 23.08.06
Fly, the words American and Pie freaked me out so badly that I didn't bother to check the rest of the page, which was, well, a bit silly. God forbid I should turn into one of the Moaners.

I've seen Chuck and Buck and it's presence in Weitz's career is indeed heartening.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:18 / 23.08.06
have seen About a Boy- which was really shit.

Look on the bright side- if he can make a shit movie from a shit book, maybe he can make a wicked movie from a wicked one?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:37 / 23.08.06
shockingly logical logic, stoatie.
 
 
Seth
10:16 / 05.01.07
Some photos.

Some more photos.

Glad to see Sam Elliott as Lee Scoresby. The casting seems perfect all round.
 
 
Spaniel
12:44 / 05.01.07
It does indeed
 
 
sorenson
19:47 / 07.01.07
Yep, Nicole Kidman as Mrs Coulter is simply brilliant - I can't imagine a better actress to play that part. I was initially a little disappointed by Lyra though - for some reason I had always thought of her as more dark and wild looking, but the more I look at the stills the more I am beginning to see promise in the girl they've chosen (apparently they screen tested something like 10,000 girls!).

I am so nervous about this movie. These are some of my all time favourite books - it could be so good or it could be so wrong. It's looking pretty good so far.
 
 
haus of fraser
14:50 / 12.01.07
Photos look exciting, i'm curious as to what will come out of Lyra's mouth- when i saw the stage production the actress playing her was a little too luvie for it to be believable- its a tough, tough casting as her street urchin slang is so well defined in the books.

Am i the only person that is a bit annoyed that they renamed Northen Lights 'The Golden Compass'- Why oh why?!!! It's not even a flipping compass but an alethiometer!!! This is the kind of dumbing down that worries me about movie versions of books that i've loved...
 
 
Spaniel
15:06 / 12.01.07
The book was given that title in the states, if iirc
 
 
haus of fraser
15:20 / 12.01.07
But why?!!!???

Does it make it appeal more to kids?

Is there another book called Northern Lights?

I'm curious as to why loose a great title in favour of a really mediocre one.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:19 / 12.01.07
Here is the odd explanation why it was renamed.
 
  

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