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A fall of geckos
11:46 / 26.05.05
Cheers also - I went along and was similarly annoyed by the annoying know-it-all in the front row who didn't understand what magic realism was. Good readings and some interesting comments about the differences between American sci-fi/fantasy and Brit sci-fi/fantasy - including the idea that in the Brit books it's a happy ending if the protagonist somehow survives.

China Mieville mentioned that he's got a book of short stories coming out over the summer including one novella that's hard to find, which I took to be a reference to the Tain. Also it'll apparently include a number of fantasy stories set in modern London.
 
 
Psych Safeling
14:42 / 26.05.05
Didn't he dispatch her well, though (person who thought Arthurian Legend was magic realism)? No embarrassment, no recrimination, just 'I think we're talking at cross-purposes here', followed by the most erudite exposition I've heard of magic realism. He's amazing.

SWOON.

Sorry.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
10:39 / 07.06.05
Did anyone else attend the Foyles H.G. Wells event thing last Thursday? Speaking-type people were Miéville, Michael Foot, and some very well-meaning chap about whom I can remember nothing. CM was particularly engaging, and talked about the significance of Wellesian monsters, particularly his early adoption of giant squid and parallel lunar ecology.

On a completely different note, is it possible that the "Crisis Mechanics" in PSS, which otherwise seems based on a rather badly-thought-out narrative-teleological view of the world (why's flight any more intrinsically dramatic than anything else from a universal perspective?), is in fact a feature of existing in a fictional universe? In that a fictional universe obviously does have an intrinsic sense of drama, being written by a writer and all, so Isaac's device is a bit like a Narrative-High-Point generator...
This might also be applicable to the Possibility science in the Scar (reifying alternate or discarded drafts of events?) but it seems a bit of a stretch. I'll have to reread it, I suppose...
 
 
Fritz K Driftwood
06:41 / 08.06.05
I'm just wondering if Mieville plans to keep going with the Bas-Lag universe or end it here and start going with other ideas. Frankly, I'd like to him move beyond that into different areas.

Jack, saw Mr. M last year when Iron Council was released here in the States, and someone asked him about this. From what I recall, he was going to take a break from this universe (Bas-Lag), and write about other stuff. But it sounded like he might return to it in the future.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:34 / 08.06.05
That's pretty much what he said in IZ as well.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:43 / 16.07.05
Now you too can experience The Scar as a fully immersive interactive experience, as... a really bad game of Frogger?!
 
 
A fall of geckos
12:35 / 09.09.05
The new book's just been released. It's a collection of short stories called Looking for Jake and Other Stories and does indeed contain The Tain, as well as a comic and eleven other pieces.

I haven't picked up a copy yet, so I've no idea how good it is. Has anyone else read this yet?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:05 / 09.09.05
Reviews posted on Amazon:

From Publishers Weekly
London is a dangerous and demon-haunted place, at least for the characters in the dark, finely crafted tales presented in Miéville's first story collection. Miéville, who has won Arthur C. Clarke, British Science Fiction and British Fantasy awards, writes of a city besieged by exotic forms of urban decay, monsters, sadistic and ghostly children, as well as, on a lighter note, the Gay Men's Radical Singing Caucus. In the novella "The Tain," the city has been conquered by vengeful creatures who have erupted from every mirror and reflective surface. In "Details," a story with subtle connections to H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos, a young boy meets an elderly woman who has looked too deeply into the patterns that underlie the universe. In "Foundation," perhaps the most powerful story in the book, a veteran must come to terms with the horrors he helped perpetrate during the first Gulf War. Though lacking the baroque complexity and extravagance of Miéville's novels (Iron Council, etc.), these 14 stories, including one in graphic-novel form, serve as a powerful introduction to the work of one of the most important new fantasy writers of the past decade.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.


From Booklist
*Starred Review* Even the greatest admirers of Mieville's New Crobuzon novels (the award-winning Perdido Street Station, 2001; The Scar, 2002; and Iron Council, 2004) may feel that these stories really fulfill his big newcomer's promise. Several proceed in the best kind of uncertainty, sustaining the gnawing question, what is going on here? In "Go Between," a man finds things in, say, bread loafs, or chocolate bars, along with directions to convey them elsewhere. He always obeys, until one day he gets word that his work is done. Thinking he has been dumped, he pettishly refuses to post his last find. War breaks out: the end. Other stories concern inexplicable occurrences. In "Reports of Certain Events in London," papers mistakenly delivered to Mieville suggest that short streets in major cities are temporally and physically unstable. In "The Ball Room," cowritten with Emma Bircham and Max Schaefer, the extremely popular play cage in an Ikea-like store requires an exorcist. "An End to Hunger" and "'Tis the Season" are rich, sharp satires of "free market" capitalism. "Jack" is a note from the New Crobuzon underground. "On the Way to the Front" is a comics collaboration with the most impressive penciller, Liam Sharp. The book concludes with "The Tain," a powerful postapocalyptic novella about both sides of the looking glass. In every story, Mieville's way with voice and perspective is utterly captivating. Brilliant work. Ray Olson
Copyright © American Library Association. All rights reserved


Liam Sharp! Didn't he do Death's Head II?
 
 
Sax
13:20 / 09.09.05
I fondled this in Waterstone's today but it's still a week off pay-day and I needed Golden Virginia... But a new Bas-Lag short story... well.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:22 / 10.09.05
...off to the bookshop with this little stoat and his dwindling cash reserve...
 
 
The Falcon
03:01 / 14.09.05
I've read it. Actually, I own a signed copy, though it was just one of those signed overstock things. Got a Sandman trade the same. Never met authors.

(Actually, thanks Barbelith, and specifically the Stoat, for turning me onto an author who I'd previously dismissed on basis of name alone.)

'S alright. The short 'Jack' is, well... I won't spoil it, but the first paragraph or so had me playing air-guitar in excitement.

I particularly liked the 'Reports of certain events in London' non-fic (?) piece, too.

Report back, anyways.
 
 
The Falcon
03:03 / 14.09.05
The Liam Sharp art is distinctly post Jim Lee phase, too. 'S funny, both he and Sinclair (with McKean) have done wee comic strips about London.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:09 / 14.09.05
Haven't had a chance to read it yet... but have a long journey to Hamburg in a van tonight, so I'll probably crack it open then.

Yeah, the Sinclair/McKean one was odd... largely because in early editions of Slow Chocolate Autopsy the pagses were in the wrong order and of course, being Sinclair, I just assumed I'd failed to understand it.
 
 
A fall of geckos
11:36 / 14.09.05
Just in case anyone's interested, China Miéville will be introducing a screening of the Fritz Lang film Metropolis on Friday for a socialist film club.

It's in Goldsmith’s Lecture Theatre, - the no. for tickets is 020 7637 1848

Could be quite interesting. I haven't seen Metropolis in years, but I seem to remember it being pretty much a political parable.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:44 / 20.09.05
Read the first couple of stories this afternoon, and they're top. "Looking For Jake" itself kind of reminded me of the Strugatskys' "Roadside Picnic", which is never a bad thing, without actually being anything like it... "Foundation" reads like Christopher Fowler remixed by Mieville. If the quality's this high throughout, I might actually die.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:07 / 07.10.05
Finally got round to reading the rest of 'em. And a fine collection of stories they are too. A bit of HPL ("Details"), a smattering of Borges ("Entry From A Medical Encyclopaedia" and "The Tain") and just a dash of politics ("Foundations", "Jack" and "'Tis The Season"). It's a solid collection- some stories are obviously better than others, but there are none that are less than VERY GOOD INDEED. It's thought-provoking, engaging, and most of all, a lot of fun. Oh, and there's a story about Jack Half-A-Prayer in there as well ("Jack"). It's excellent.

The only drawback is it's made me go back to Perdido Street Station again. After which I'll no doubt feel the urge to read The Scar and Iron Council again... will I never escape this Mieville vortex?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
20:54 / 17.10.05
Good god! The collection of shorts is effing amazing. I haven't been so absorbed since Ray Bradbury back when I was 13. Haunting, I tell you. In a good way.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
18:19 / 03.11.05
if you liked "Perdido Street Station" I recommend Steven Erikson's "Malazan Book of the Fallen" series (first title is "Gardens of the Moon.")

it feels like a similar world as the one China Mieville has created, although a little less technology, more magic & godly interference.

It's richer, more intricate & complex.

I found with China's world, I grew less and less interested with each book. "perdido" was wonderful, "the scar" less so, "the iron council" even less so - I didn't finish it, alas.

anyway, I started a thread on the other if anyone cares to peruse. unfortunately, not too many 'lithers have read him.

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Tabitha Tickletooth
14:58 / 14.02.06
Just finished Looking for Jake & Other Stories. As a fan of CM's novels, I felt a smidgen disappointed with some of this collection and would argue that the short story may not be his ideal format. There was all the usual bizarre and fascinating imagery, creativity, cleverness and darkness, but I felt that some of the stories didn't quite succeed in coping with (or exploiting) the restrictions of the short story.

The stories I enjoyed most, and that I thought most effective, were either the longer works (like The Tain) or those that drew on the connection to a larger story (like Jack). I don't want to seem overcritical - I really did thoroughly enjoy the collection. I think someone's already remarked on the collection itself, and I think that the variety of stories selected - the styles, approaches, subjects - was very good.

After finding the novels stunning and engrossing, I thought some of the stories were just too abrupt - as though the short story didn't give CM the scope needed to explore the ideas. Quite a few felt like they were excerpts, precis (pl?), outlines that would benefit from development, rather than complete and satifsying works. More like fragments than complete short stories.

My conclusion: very good, but perhaps more a novelist than a master of the short story.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:15 / 14.02.06
I kind of get where you're coming from with that- I don't think it's necessarily that he's better at writing novels than short stories, more that he writes the kind of stuff you (well, I, really) want to get completely lost in for ages, and you can't really do that with a short story.
 
 
The Falcon
15:54 / 14.02.06
Yeah, I'd not have expected otherwise; the thought of a novel by [top fave writer] always excites more than a collection of shorts, partly because of the necessarily fragmented and somewhat lesser-fledged nature inherent. (In my experience - o' course, Borges is an exception and he never did write a 'novel', but is there anyone else who's particularly a master of the form?)
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
11:33 / 15.02.06
Stoatie - I think there is an element of truth in this, but it's not all there is to it. Before I posted about my slight dissatisfaction with these stories, I sat down and really thought about what I was saying. I thought about short stories I really liked and why they were different.

My conclusion, admittedly not a new one, is that some people do the short story form better than others. I'm not saying - as Duncan appears to be - that I prefer the novel form to the short story form and was therefore bound to find these disappointing.

In reflecting on what I thought about this collection, I read back through a few short stories by writers that I think are a bit genius at this kind of thing: Chekhov, Poe, Bradbury and Wells. Their short stories struck me as very complete, even when open-ended (if that makes any sense).

I don't think that CM's are bad short stories, just that on balance, both his content and his form lend themselves to the novel format. I was too often left dissatisfied - wanting more - in a way that I'm not after a really beautifully crafted short story.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:16 / 15.02.06
is there anyone else who's particularly a master of the form?

Lovecraft.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:51 / 15.02.06
Raymond Carver. Flannery O'Connor.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:25 / 22.04.07
Just finished read Un Lun Don, Mieville’s new novel. I’m not going to discuss any major plot points here, as it’s a pretty new book and I’d like to keep this as spoiler free as possible, but I think I pass some comments without getting spoilery. It’s written to be suitable for children, and as such it’s something of a departure from the Bas-Lag novels. The style is more stripped down, lacking much of the flowerly language of the previous novels, but it’s still very recognizably Mieville’s style.

It’s also up to a point more of a story of a posse of good-guys versus bad-guys, as one might expect from a children’s novel, but it still does a very nice job of subverting some of the genre conventions of children’s fantasy, and fantasy in general, and of actually saying a bit more about how real people act in terrible and confusing times than is normal for a fantasy novel.

In some ways I’d say it’s every bit as political as the Bas-Lag novels – it’s certainly a book about social upheaval, and rebellion against authority, and Mieville’s revolutionary socialist credentials are just noticeable here as in his adult novels, perhaps more so.

My only real concern is that perhaps Mieville strips his style down a tiny bit too much here, possibly more than is needed to make the book fun for a reasonably intelligent ten year old, but then it’s been quite some time since I was a reasonably intelligent ten year, so what do I really know on that score?
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
19:48 / 25.04.07
I haven't read it yet, but sounds almost like a return to magical realism of King Rat (which reads like a first book, but a good one)
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:30 / 26.04.07
Hmmm, I've not read King Rat myself yet. I've owned a copy for a couple of years now, but somehow it seems to keep getting pushed down my read list. Which is odd given how much I love Mieville's other novels.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:25 / 27.04.07
It's... OK. But completely unlike everything else he's written, even the stuff in his short story collection.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
17:52 / 27.04.07
...he certainly likes drum'n'bass, that's f'sure.
 
 
fish confusion errata
18:19 / 27.04.07
I love Perdido Street Station and The Scar. I was very unimpressed with King Rat. I guess I expected a magical Neverwhere-type London, but this wasn't it.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
11:24 / 13.09.07
I've started reading the Iron Council (and am studiously avoiding spoilers elsewhere in this thread) and it's totally failed to grab me in the first four chapters (which I appreciate is not long to give something, but still). Being plunged into the midst of this group of people, hanging together for an unknown purpose, following an unknown person across unknown lands, pursued by not one but two unknown pursuers, one in a broad-brimmed hat and one who dangles in the air and is followed by a succession of cancerous, tumour-riddled animals.

Well - what the fuck is going on? I like a bit of mystery as much as the next man, but as I start chapter after chapter, and each one is following this same group of people (two of which have died so far, evoking about as much emotion or interest as a redshirt getting phasered on Star Trek) with zero exposition.

I'm really hoping I'm going to get some context in the next few pages, because Mr Mieville is, I feel, relying a little too much on the indulgence of his readers.
 
 
Thorn Davis
12:42 / 13.09.07
That was precisely my experience of Iron Council, to be honest. I ground through it till the end without getting much enjoyment from it. It does start to gain momentum eventually, but I didn't feel there was much of a payoff to the opening third of the book. I think the idea was actually to get off to a running start, with all this action, and the story clearly well under way, but it didn't work for me. As with you, my reaction to the early casualties was a bit "Oh. Ok." I only finished reading it a month or so ago and I was glad when it was over. I did very much enjoy PSS and The Scar, though.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
07:57 / 14.09.07
Right, finally got past that frankly bizarre and poorly thought out opening coda. I mean, it'd be fine if that bit had been a couple of pages, but as it was, it was forty-nine pages of me going 'who the fuck are these people, and what's going on? And why should I care?' I persevered because I loved PSS and The Scar, but for someone completely new to Mieville, that could be a deal-breaker, or at least leave you poorly disposed to the rest of the book.

By contrast, coming back to New Crobuzon after that breathless, relentless and very odd Andthen andthen andthen opener was lovely. Felt like slipping back into a well-worn pair of slippers.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:13 / 14.09.07
I dunno, it strikes me that the vast majority of fantasy fiction aims to be like a pair of comfy old slippers. I'd rather Mieville threw people for a loop now and again, even if it puts some of them off.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:23 / 14.09.07
For what it's worth, Iron Council was the first Mieville I read, and I had no problem with that opening gambit whatever. There's a maxim that any good work of art teaches you the rules for evaluating it even as you experience it; the prologue was, for me, a crash course in How To Read China Mieville.

My problems with the book didn't start until much, much later, specifically the bullshit Schrodinger's cop-out of a non-ending, which is a screaming, blatant attempt to have it both ways.
 
  

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