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Things you hate that other people are dumbfounded by.

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17:52 / 06.05.02

So, people always try to play reggae around me, and I'm not into reggae, at all, ever, no matter my mood I hate the shit. I don't care what music came from it, who it influenced, blah, it's crap. Yet, when I express this opinion people look at me as if suddenly I became a leper. No one can understand me not liking reggae, while I can full well understand it; it's fucking boring. And it's not like I've never listened to it, I've heard a lot of fucking reggae. And then they try to recommend me albums that I'm never gonna fucking buy, or listen to; when someone tells me that s/he doesn't like punk rock, I don't insist that said person should immeadiatly go out and buy a Dead Boys album, I accept it.
Who else out there hates something that is seemingly universally loved?

18:34 / 06.05.02

Rap! I despise rap. It disgusts me. Its all the same. "I am a badass, I shoot people, I fuck women. Look at me. Look at me!"

Now it could very well be I've never been exposed to anything decent in that genre, I don't know. All the rap I've heard has been the type I just described above. Not exactly a glowing representation of the genre, is it?

18:44 / 06.05.02

And the award for Biggest Can Of Worms Opened goes to...

18:55 / 06.05.02

That is a joke post, right?

Right?

18:57 / 06.05.02

Oh, and CK, is there actually any solid reasoning behind your hatred of reggae other than the, frankly, pathetic "it's fucking boring"?

Matthew Fluxington

19:11 / 06.05.02

Trijhaos, you can't see this, but I am responding to yr post with glassy-eyed, slack-jawed disbelief.

Oh.

My.

GOD.

I don't know where to begin with you. One lyric from Outkast's Stankonia comes to mind:

"I met a critic/ I made her shit her drawers/ She said she thought hip-hop was only guns and alcohol/ I said "Oh hell naw!"/ But yet it's that too/ You can't discrimi-hate cause you done read a book or two/"

Again...

Oh.

My.

GOD.

19:14 / 06.05.02

I come hear to have my mind changed about music I hate.

top of the list was pop for a long time.

just... pop.

I'm gonna do that thing that CK warned against, too.

CK: you might like some of reggae's descendants, like dancehall or raucous or whatever they're calling it now. I can't give too many names, but they play it on the Caribbean radio down here in FL. Angry township stuff, but danceable - sort of a return-to-ska-emotion, only with some reggae sounds to it. Faster, though. And not mellow.

Trijhaos: Um. Not that it's straight-up rap, but Saul Williams. You owe yourself this. Others here will probably do more than I could along these lines, but hell, Public Enemy was in the 80s, and they were already past the "badass/shootin/fuckin" rap thing. Hell, even Eminem raps about the dark side of the celebrity system. And that's pretty damn mainstream.

19:28 / 06.05.02

I personally think reggae is just too fucking big to diss outright. It's like saying you hate jazz. I'm personally interested in hearing dancehall, as I've heard litle snippets of it (or waht was described as it) on a promo for a radio show once. But I'm not up at five in the morning on a Wednesday to hear it, so I go uneducated.

What i really don't like, is the dual dullness of all the Bob Marley songs I've heard and the dullness of the full of fucknut noise that John Peel plays. Relentless noise actually does start to bore you after a while.

I dunno. When the list of records I know I want gets short enough, then I'll start on the ones I might.

19:41 / 06.05.02

Trijhaos, your comments are pure invitation to all sorts of classic internet thread-terminating unmnetionables, and I won't even get into details.

But come on. Really. Apply the comments you've just made about an entire cultural movement to any other similar social development, cultural invention or plain ol' genre and you'll realize how bloody stupid that sounds.

Here's what you do. Get yer audiogalaxy or equivalent. Get some Cannibal Ox, some Antipop Consortium, some Souls Of Mischief. Download a few tracks. Go to Amazon and read the review of those records, and pay attention to the acts used as comparisons. Check those out. There's so many directions to take that I can't even begin to describe them. And keep in mind that rap isn't rock. It has different aims, different methods and a very different end result.

CK: I'm not a fan of Marley and thus for a long time was not a fan of reggae. Then I saw Rockers. Go rent it.

19:59 / 06.05.02

Originally posted by Glint:
I personally think reggae is just too fucking big to diss outright. It's like saying you hate jazz.

Exactly. The same thing applies to any other broad generalisations that people want to make, regardless of the genre. And reggae does not = Bob fucking Marley.

21:13 / 06.05.02

I can't speak for anybody else but me, but both Reggae & Country I didn't "get" until I had a context to understand them with.

Back on-topic, I can't think of anything off-hand. I never base my friendships based on musical taste (or lack thereof) and, like in real life, nobody here seems to dig the same things I do. No biggie. As a result, I've learned to be more laid-back about other's musical tastes. The only thing I can think of is The Undertones. To me, it just sounds like a bunch of sugary crap. I really like power pop, but they don't grab me--at all. I mean, is there really a big difference between "Mars Bar" & The Archies' "Sugar, Sugar"? "B-b-b-but, but they're the best Irish band EVER!!"

A

02:41 / 07.05.02

I really like rap, but i don't think I own a rap record released since about 1993 (the 3 most "recent' i have are probably The Goats' "Tricks of the Shade", Cypress Hill's "Black Sunday", and Ice-T's "Home Invasion"). I'm sure there must be some good stuff being made today, but everything I hear just sounds kinda dull and boring. Even once great artists like Public Enemy and De La Soul now just sound like everyone else, to my ears, anyway.

oh, actually, i have heard some stuff by a guy called MC Paul Barmen, or something like that, which is really cool, but that's about it.

Trijhaos, if today's hip-hop does nothing for you, then i'd recommend tracking down Public Enemy's "Fear of a Black Planet", Run DMC's "Raising Hell", Ice T's "O.G. Original Gangster" (it's kinda guns'n'girls, but it's worth a try), Cypress Hill's "Black Sunday"... i'm sure others could recommend some other great rap records that don't resemble today's hip hop much at all. I'm sure you could find some rap that appeals to you.

04:38 / 07.05.02

It's like saying you hate jazz.

But. I. Do. Hate. Jazz.

I feel like the thread requires an explanation, followed by a caveat that I own some vocal heavy jazz albums (that I've even recommended here), and a demure acceptance that jazz is not bad. However, it still upsets me.

16:03 / 07.05.02

REM
Dull indie guitar band. I'd feel indifference rather than full-on hatred if it wasn't for Stipe's voice. Rapidly wibble-wobbling voices make me want to roll up my sleeves and shove nuclear weapons up arses and down throats.

16:09 / 07.05.02

I love you Saveloy... I feel the same way about REM and U2, who I would feel indifference too if it wasn't for them trying to be cool and "down wid' da' kidz". For which they should probablly just kill themselves and save us.

16:13 / 07.05.02

If you want to talk boring, then talk about techno or house music, I guess it's because i don't do X. I think its because it has no lyrics, but then again i like classical mozart.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

17:00 / 07.05.02

Who says Motzart doesn't have lyrics? If you like Motzart, it's not a big leap to assume you dig opera.

Modern Country. I love Johnny Cash, some Hank Williams Sr, and I dig a lot of other old country singers. But this recent stuff I can't stand. I don't know when it started, but it sucks ass. It's like pop music with a bunch of bad southern stereotypes and an accent thrown in. "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy". Sweet Jesus. And the dancing...you would not believe what they do sometimes...

I don't like a lot of what people call pop music. I just don't dig it. Feels empty most of the time.

And please, if someone says "I hate such and such genre of music" and you think they're nuts and recommend an album, keep in mind that they may already have that album because somebody recommened it to them a while ago. And they still hate it. Which they are allowed to do.

Huh. Other than those two, I can't think of any kind of music I really "hate". I can listen to just about anything.

But I do get really angry at certain types of music people. Not even types of people, really, but stupid shit they say. The kind of things that reveal them to be someone who overlooks music in light of The Message or whatever. And yet they still call themselves "musicians". If you don't care about the music, if you don't care about actually getting better, then you don't deserve to call yourself a musician.

17:22 / 07.05.02

I love you Saveloy... I feel the same way about REM and U2, who I would feel indifference too if it wasn't for them trying to be cool and "down wid' da' kidz". For which they should probablly just kill themselves and save us.

Yes!Yes!Yes! Entirely! Precisely! Yes!

I suppose it's almost pointless for me to stick my oar in and say 'hating' entire genres of music is, like, not very nice, maan.

'Don't get' I can handle. I 'don't get' yer average house/techno nonsense, and indeed, I 'don't get' the whole orchestral*/Opera thing at all. I don't understand what the fuck they're about, really. But somebody does, so I don't hate them. Aren't I a good hippy?

*am I the only one who thinks 'classical' is a really wanky 'brittania-music-club' sort of a term, which should be abolished?

18:31 / 07.05.02

I thought I hated nu-metal until I heard Skindred's album. The sheer cock-rockness of it just had to make me smile. That was my last bastion of sheer bloody-minded musical prejudice concerning a whole genre, and now it's gone

18:57 / 07.05.02

Rizla: *am I the only one who thinks 'classical' is a really wanky 'brittania-music-club' sort of a term, which should be abolished?

Unless specifically referring to music written after Bach (Baroque) and before Beethoven (Romantic).

The Return Of Rothkoid

19:42 / 07.05.02

Riz: fuck off! I've gotten some good things from Britannia; their prices can be all right, sometimes.

OK. I submit. It sucks. But ... they were so cheap! And then they JACKED UP THE PRICE!

Gah.

I object to "Classical" inasmuch as grant's already stated why, but also because it's used as an excuse to give someone a collection of snippets (most recently that fucking Sven-Goran collection) that's supposed to stand as a whole. Ripping some pieces up can be the equivalent of giving someone half a chorus of a song and suggesting that that's a great basis for comparison.

Sigh.

19:54 / 07.05.02

grant, a while back you mentioned hating pop, and I don't think anybody said anything to refute that.

I'm going to assume that we can rule out the ironically popular arguement "I hate pop because it's popular" and move on to the actual musical freakiness of pop.

First, just general thought on pop might help. I know Britney Spears and any other number of pop icons don't write their own stuff, so there is a valid, trained, actual breathing no-parts silicon musician writing this stuff.

Secondly, in some pop music you can see the influence of that trained musician. Recently I haven't been able to resist pop because of my weakness for songs in minor. I know back before the late 90's all pop was more or less in major.

Third, it's called pop because its popular, and its popular because there is something in the total package of pop-star, advertising and music that is becoming. Real pop stars have the privelege of being wonderful in all three. What I'm saying is, when I finally stopped flinching, there was something to pop that I enjoyed because it is so neat, bite sized, and appealing, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I can't believe music was simply made to hit it's listeners over the head or drive them to new heights. Sometimes it's just there for simple enjoyment.

Fourth, if I haven't convinced you, have you tried listening to pop that isn't pop? Pop that isn't well marketed and isn't out to rob you? They do a better job of composing because they spend less time thinking on whether their music will sell. Fountains of Wayne is a favorite among my friends.

Also- Prozzak, a Canadian pop group that is only animated- is another favorite.They appreciate the silliness of the whole thing. Hope I was helpful.

20:29 / 07.05.02

Oh, I digs the pop now. Just couldn't stand it for a long time.

I stopped listening to the radio.

Now, when I hears the Blink 182, it's once in a blue moon, I find it catchy, and can't figure out what all the commotion is about. Hey! It's pop! Sweet, ephemeral.

The Return Of Rothkoid

21:04 / 07.05.02

See, except with Blink-182, I just can't get past that whole fart-lighting stank that seems to hang over them. Don't even know if they do, they just... seem like they would.

And opera fucking rocks. Don Giovanni, anyone? More hardcore than Hank.

06:44 / 08.05.02

This thread wasn't just for genres, but for anything within music that you don't like that everyone else seems to love and all that stuff.

E. Randy: I used to really want to get into reggae, I convinced myself that I liked it, cuz otherwise how could I be cool and hip and such. But the more I listened to it, the less I liked it. I don't like the upstrokes of it, or the loops of dancehall or dub(dancehall & dub in general just leaves me cold), I don't like Jamaican accents (I know that sounds stupid, but it can ruin stuff for me [i.e. I don't like Super Furry Animals too much cuz I don't like Welsh accents]), and the sheer lack of energy of the music itself (not to say that the performers didn't put energy into their music, but that the music doesn't have energy it has "lazy determination") (and that goes even when it picks up speed) just cannot sustain my attention. I don't disrespect the people that make reggae, nor people that listen to it, but, it makes me want to bang my head against the wall (and not in a Metal Health type way either). And I do enjoy some of the things that reggae inspired (Clash, Bad Brains [actually just their punk stuff, I really dislike when they did reggae], and all sorts of other things I can't think of).
I also dislike everything that Lou Reed released post-Velvet Underground (with the exception of Transformer), and that comes from my narrow view of rock music and what and how I think things rock.

uncle retrospective

08:21 / 08.05.02

Things I hate. Hum.
Things I hate that no one can understand?

Long list.

Like CK, I can't stand reggae. Can't tell you exactly why. The rhythm's leave me cold, the singers local accent's do nothing for me and the really fucking anoying stoner tossers who shite on about it all the time drive me nuts. I respect the infulence reggae has had on music, I just don't want to listen to it.

Jazz. I don't listen to any Jazz. The mearist sniff of Jazz in a song will make me very angry. (With Barry Adamson
and the Notwist being exceptions.)
I hate the self indulence and snobbery. I hate the way musical technique is the be all and end all. That way gave us prog rock.
People complain about hip hop beardies, talk to some Jazz tossers. Dear God I've met skinheads who were better adverts for their taste in music.

Now here's where I get in trouble. The first flaming I ever got on this board was for this sentence.

I fucking HATE disco.

It makes me want to throw up. If this retro shit is played in a pub or club I can't physically stay in the pub. If I do I'll end up in such a foul mood as the pap starts to melt my brain.
Now I realise how important it was. It changed the world every bit as much as punk. I know with out "I feel love" modern dance music wouldn't sound anything like it does now. (And I wouldn't have Underworld's "King of Snake") But god the whole thing should be let die. Move on. Stop putting on zany afros.

Now here we go. (straps on body armour)
cue Lyra.

Now I also know that I listen to music other people round here would rather die that listen to. I'm falling in love with Psy Trance, I love most of the better Goth stuff and at my heart I'll always have a place for metal. I'm not getting at anyone, the above music and I just don't get on.

The Natural Way

10:03 / 08.05.02

Just out of interest, what's the difference between Psy Trance and other forms? Is it supposed to be more psychedelic?

uncle retrospective

10:35 / 08.05.02

Psy Trance/ Goa Trance from what I can make out of it, is faster and harder than chart/club Trance. It's got more of a techno edge to it.
It also tends to use samples from horror and Sci Fi movies.

Ignore the wanky song titles and try

Astral Projection

or

hallucinogen Try the live mix of LSD.

The Natural Way

10:44 / 08.05.02

Oh, right, it's the same as Goa stuff. Didn't realise that before. Thanks.

Found meself strangely enjoying those tunes.

uncle retrospective

11:05 / 08.05.02

Them's good dancing tunes...

12:01 / 08.05.02

I found my Hallucinogen cd in the garden shed at the weekend. Hadn't seen it for years. Just thought I'd mention that.

uncle retrospective

12:13 / 08.05.02

Cholister, while it's not the way CK does it, you rock.
You seem to have impeccable taste in music.

Mind you coming from me, than may not count for much.

12:30 / 08.05.02

Ha! Well, thank you anyway. Sweet!

14:05 / 08.05.02

I have a massive prejudice against Saxophones when they're not playing freaky avant garde noise. And especially when they're crowbarred into rock songs. Ack!

Obvious exceptions: 'Funhouse' and Captain Beefheart.

14:54 / 08.05.02

Radiohead and Jamiroqui irritate the fuck out of me! Everyone goes on and on about how great they are and I just don't see it. I've even been told before that I obviously do not understand music since I don't like Radiohead! Its just whine whine whine!

Also that "Scrubs" song really annoyed me. If you listen to the lyrics in the middle it goes on about how if you're a man without a job, or a car, or lots of money or you still live at home with your parents then you're not good enough for women. What a blow for girlpower that is. Portraying women as superficial heartless bitches. Good one!

Oh and Oasis suck arse as well. Their first album was good but they haven't moved on from there. Its all the same.

And just in case you're wondering what I do like its Metal, Punk, Rock and anything with Guitars in it that I deem rocks! My taste ranges from Sabbath, to Sepultura to Pink Floyd to Moby to Smashing Pumpkins.

Bizarely enough one of my favourite bands (Anathema) are described as Radiohead crossed with Pink Floyd pumped through Cradle of Filth. Weird eh?

The above rant details the opinions of Chubby P who in no way wishes to enforce these views on anyone or has anything against opposing views. If you love Radiohead so be it. I will not make it my crusade to change your mind so don't make it yours to change mine. And having said all that I thought The Bends was an okay album.

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