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Not Here Still
18:23 / 03.04.02
Should this image have won a National Press photographer's award?

Be warned; It's not very nice. At all.

It's a picture of a woman being attacked by a crowd in Seattle and having her clothes torn off.

Her face is pixellated out, and she isn't 'nude,' basically because of the way she is being attacked.

(But caution may be advisable if clicking on something like this would get you into trouble; basically, it's a respectable site, but the image is worrying)

It is by no means a "nice" picture. Whether or not it is a "good" or "worthwhile" one is more debatable.

But do you think it should be an award winner? Why?

Or would the world be better if it hadn't been taken?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
18:58 / 03.04.02
Is it possible that a transcript of the article that it accompanied could be provided. Context of presentation being an important part here.
 
 
..
19:04 / 03.04.02
Jesus. The first thing that got me was all the complacent smiley faces. Boys will be boys I guess, and here you have boys of every colour joining together to fuck over a lone female victim: one might therefore be tempted to take this pic as a metaphor for what's wrong with our world. So I'd say it's a good thing that this picture was published, and maybe we could use more messages like this one as disturbing as they are. "Hey boys and girls, this is a picture of reality..."
 
 
Utopia
19:29 / 03.04.02
what a pack of assholes. makes me fucking glad i never joined in on that whole high school football, beer, tv wrestling thing.
 
 
Ierne
19:31 / 03.04.02
So I'd say it's a good thing that this picture was published, and maybe we could use more messages like this one as disturbing as they are. "Hey boys and girls, this is a picture of reality..." – tm

But one can't say that the "boys and girls" looking a the picture will have the same reaction you and I do. What if the reaction is "Yeah! Tits!!!" or "So What?"

I am curious if the woman in the photo can use that photo as evidence to sue for sexual assault, and what the ramifications would be if that picture was used to find some of the men that assaulted her.
 
 
Trijhaos
19:32 / 03.04.02
Jesus, that's horrible. Those nasty little grinning chimps wouldn't be so happy if they were in that poor woman's place. Christ, people disgust me.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
19:36 / 03.04.02
Just a quick answer before I get into the whole ethics and general answer the original post.

Yes the woman can use the photograph for criminal proceedings against her assailants under the provision that when presented in a court of law there no significant doubt that the image has been manipulated. It might be worth of note that there have been cases thrown out because the image was captured on a digital camera. The picture would be treated with the same credibility as CCTV footage.
 
 
Utopia
20:04 / 03.04.02
what really pisses me off is the guy with the video camera (top left corner). does anybody need jerk-off material that fucking bad?
 
 
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20:10 / 03.04.02
'But one can't say that the "boys and girls" looking a the picture will have the same reaction you and I do. What if the reaction is "Yeah! Tits!!!" or "So What?"' -- Ierne

Yeah, I guess I should qualify "boys and girls" in general to mean the boys and girls who have remained sensitive enough to see something wrong with the picture. Hopefully that's still the majority... But then again I'd hope that something this shocking would affect any human at least subconsciously.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:41 / 03.04.02
I'd quite like to know whether the photographer took any action to either prevent or conclude this attack.
 
 
Utopia
22:36 / 03.04.02
doesn't look that way. it's partly why i fucking hate documentarians. few people understand the (?) heisenberg principle: an observer always fucks with his subject. now his photo can be used in legal proceedings. just think of what he could have done if he helped her out rather than snapping fucking pictures! of course, he could have just gotten his ass beat, but show some fucking backbone!
 
 
netbanshee
23:31 / 03.04.02
...think the image definitely deserves it's stature...

...and just maybe, if enough people see it, it'll be harder to forget what the world can be like.
 
 
suds
04:24 / 04.04.02
i totally agree with plaid banshee. unfortunately, it's images like this one that make people sit up and take note of what's going on in the world. more pictures like this, and i will not be constantly asked WHY i'm a fucking feminist (which i am, more than you'd think. many boys (especially those in the usa for some reason, can't seem to fathom why).
 
 
gozer the destructor
08:24 / 04.04.02
Is that a woman in the crowd as well, just behind the bloke with the goatee?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:37 / 04.04.02
gozer: That's what I thought. If that person was female, is her involvement worse than that of the men? Should she have been more empathic?

This picture reminds me of the worst that we can all be. I reckon most of those people wouldn't have been behaving like that if "everyone else" hadn't been doing it too. I bet they weren't even peturbed about their actions afterwards; they probably all went home and slept like babies. How could you live with yourself after you'd been a part of something like that?
 
 
gozer the destructor
09:04 / 04.04.02
Am I being overly cynical by saying, can we be certain about this photograph representing what we are told it is supposed to be when we can't see the expression on the womans face? how would you feel about it if the woman was laughing? I don't think if it is a woman it makes her any worse than the others, you don't have to be the same sex as a victim to know how it feels to be one, perhaps it's a naive thing to say but if she was screaming in pain/terror and it was being filmed would she be assaulted? have we become so numb to the presence of cameras? big brother watches watches and we don't give a flying monkey? If only Orwell could see us now?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:13 / 04.04.02
I think, gozer, that one point here could be that a) the woman could be being sexually assaulted, b) the people sexually assaulting her could believe that it was all a bit of fun and thus c) would have no qualms about doing it in front of a camera. The assumption that women are not only constantly available but also constantly receptive is a part of what makes this picture makes me want to hide.
 
 
gozer the destructor
09:46 / 04.04.02
Im sorry i just don't see how 'could be' is an answer? Surely the fact that they are doing this in front of a camera leans more to the idea that what is going on is less aggressive than the pre-supposed opinion. How can we make a rational decision when part of the veidence is being censored? If the 'victim' has asked for it to be blured, fair enough, but we don't know this...how dos this picture make you feel? well, I don't know because to make a decision on half evidence would be foolish...I know how the people presenting this want me to feel and 'I get it', the butchery and inhumanity of mankind never fails to shock me, however, we are not being presented with all the facts so to make a knee jerk reaction to it would be as crazy as the scene is supposed to be, wouldn't you agree?
 
 
The Monkey
09:50 / 04.04.02
Have any of y'all seen that photo from the late 60s of an ARVN officer executing a Vietnamese man in Hanoi? The shutter fell while the executed man was just recoiling to the right as the bullet passing from ear to ear. Not a pretty picture, but it summarizes the nature of war, external of rationales of right and wrong.

To agree with plaid banshee , in my mind this photograph deserves to win the award precisely because, like that Hanoi photo, it captures a hideous moment in perfect clarity, precisely the sort of thing that sitting in our homes we'd like to deny ever happened anywhere. In fact, the sort of thing that most people DO sit at home and deny ever happened, along with a parade of other ugly moments in history, microcosmic and macrocosmic, which we'd prefer to just gloss over - the Shoah, Kolyma, Guatamala, the Belgian Congo, etc.,etc. I'd say the photo holds the important function of creating a record of atrocity - no one who sees this photo can feign ignorance of this phenomena, claim that they too were carried away and thus blameless for their actions. It creates social memory and crystalizes the disgust and horror that would otherwise be eroded over time by rationalization, rose-tinting, and conscious twisting of the event's record.

I'd actually say that making the world a better place necessarily involves uncovering, displaying, the potential ugliness of human nature as a collective - recognizing it so that an communal antibody can be made. This picture raises the question "What made this situation acceptable to all of those participant-aggressors, after the victim began to insist on them stopping?" and now it's our task to start trying to address that pathology.

(With a satellite-mounted Emasculation-Laser and Vasectomy Cannon.)

M. Utopia: Not fair. The photo shows a moment in time and space. You have no idea what occurred before, after, or even around. You're projecting, and it shows in your linguistic-semantic twisting of the concept "the act of observation affects the observed event," a principle that works well on the electron-level and also on the participant-observer level of anthropology/psychology, but can't really be applied effectively here, since it is not the act of observation that is affecting anything, but rather your interpretation of other possible activities that would be "better" in a moral sense.

On a more grunt level, as an ex-bouncer, let me point out from experience that getting through a crowd like that is virtually impossible, especially when it's a drunk and rowdily cheerful crowd. You have a clot of people in the center who are the actors, and everyone else - the moving wall between you and the thing you need to intervene in - considers themselves bystanders and thus "innocent" [evil fucking lazy assholes...but that is another story, as Kipling would say]...so when you start pushing through the exterior of the crowd, they feel put upon and tyrannized, and respond accordingly with nastiness and resistance, if not violence. [I hate human beings, especially males, in large groups.] My experience in clubs, concerts and bars, at a few soccer riots and other sundry group melees, with maybe three hundreed to five hundred bodies, was bad enough...I'd never go near a Mardi Gras crowd.
 
 
The Monkey
09:57 / 04.04.02
PS - to clarify something...I've seen this image without the screen mask. She's not having fun. I study violence from an anthropological-psychological level, and lately I've been getting into socio-cultural construction of masculinity as well. Somewhere between the two, I've ended up going over a lot of literature and records about this case, as well as the events at the Puerto Rican Day parade in NY [where a group of women were stripped, sprayed with liquor, and filmed, by a panracial crowd of young men], and Woodstock 2000 [where, in addition to a wide variety of harassment issues, there was an abudance of rapes, especially during the climactic final evening].
 
 
gozer the destructor
10:14 / 04.04.02
Monkey, point taken.

You truly are a wise sage.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
14:35 / 04.04.02
As an aspiring photojournalist, this subject is a matter that occupies a certain grey area of acceptable practice. At least to me it is, for what ever opinion is worth.

I will state now that in no way do I condone the actions portrayed in the picture. I never have and never will. They are frankly sick and hopefully the perpetrators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent that the law allows.

I think that peoples opinions of the image will be coloured by their opinions of photojournalists. One thing that irks me about this is an annoyingly common tar with the same brush manner that people apply. Photojournalism is a sphere of work that has many elements that range from event handling (such as the image up for debate) through portraiture, travel or food to the less palatable papparazzi style photography.
I am annoyed to see situation where a photojournalist is lambasted for portraying a story or event for which a text or broadcast journalist is lauded for reporting. In my mind a photojournalist is a journalist who reports through images rather than text or speech and who's integrity and merits should be judged on the same values as their peers.

Judging the image in strictly photographical terms, without regard to the subject matter, it merits consideration for an award. Technically, the picture is good.

The matter of observation intervention is certainly something worth considering. However, attention should be paid to the details of the image. The image is taken from an angle that indicates that the photographer is looking down from a vantage point and the scope and focal length of the picture indicate that the photographer is at least one storey up. I would say that unless the photographer wished to risk significant injury themselves and the crowd below, including the victim, then intervention is out of the question.

Whether or not the photograph should have been taken is an interesting question. For those put in a position where there are ethical considerations of taking a photograph, specifically for those for whom publication of the work is a consideration there is often a pervading philosophy of shoot first, ask questions later. In the situation of news reporting opportunities are often fleeting and to pass them up over unanswered questions would be foolish. In essence it is considered that the image is worth nothing until it is put on display and the decision whether or not to do so is more important than the decision whether or not to take the picture.
For a photojournalist there is an imperative to record storys and events in a manner that will express well to the intended audience. This is, after all, how they make their living. This photographer would appear, in the absence of contrary evidence, to have done so quite well. I would doubt that they were composing an awards acceptance speech as they fired the shutter. Given an inability to interact, the photographer has done what they could do and what they were charged to do by recording this event.

Image manipulation is a grey point for me. I'm a strong advocate of purity of image and the press presenting images in an unaltered form. However, there are exceptions to this rule. In this case I agree with the masking of the face because protecting the identity of the victim is a far greater nessecity than displaying her reaction to what is happening to her.

As to whether the paper should have published this picture. Yes there are elements of society that will be titillated by this image, but by publishing this picture the possibility of fighting against that kind of ignorance is strengthened. By accompanying an article with the picture, regardless of the masking of the face, puts it in the position of open discussion. Showing the world as it really is is a difficult enough task and not every image will be user friendly. To cut my rambling short here I agree with monkey on hir reasons why it should be published and disseminated.

It's hard for me to say whether or not this image should win an award. If I were presented with the nominees, I may choose a different picture. In my opinion though, if a picture is of good technical quality, accurately portrays the events that it records (I will assume that is does) and is worthy of publication, then it deserves to be considered. If it deserves consideration then it winning is not unreasonable.
 
 
Not Here Still
15:47 / 04.04.02
Accompanying article:

The 2001 NPPA Best of Photojournalism contest has been judged and the winners announced. In the category of Domestic News (Newspaper) the First Place was awarded to Mike Urban of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer in Seattle, Washington.

Issues surrounding the image entered by Mike Urban raised some important ethical questions. Addressing these questions/concerns resulted in an exhaustive investigation by members of the NPPA Best of Photojournalism contest committee. The task of the investigation was to resolve the main issue of publishing the image (which had not been published) as an award winner on the NPPA web site and for subsequent publication in the NPPA Best of Photojournalism book.

The decision to publish the Urban image was arrived upon after many meetings spanning the course of several hours and days. During our search for information we consulted with a sexual abused victim who now counsels, the Executive Editor of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and Mike Urban.

The process followed by both the Best of Photojournalism Committee and NPPA Executive Committee (EC) was an in depth and collaborative one. The final recommendation made to the NPPA EC by members of Best of Photojournalism Committee in conjunction with the contest judges was to publish the image with the face of the woman in the image digitally manipulated. The manipulation was done in order to protect the identity of the victim. The decision to publish this powerful and thought provoking image is based on the basis to bring awareness to the event and to protect the identity of the female victim. It is important to note that the contest criteria for the selection of the image is different than the criteria used by the editors of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Here is some information found in the NPPA ByLaws by which the EC based
their decision on:

Under section XVIII:


B. Purpose.

1. The National Press Photographers Association, a professional society dedicated to the advancement of photojournalism, acknowledges concern and respect for the public's natural-law, right to freedom in searching for the truth and the right to be informed truthfully and completely about public events and the world in which we live. NPPA believes that no report can be complete if it is possible to enhance and clarify the meaning of the words. We believe that pictures, whether used to depict news events as they actually happen, illustrate news that has happened, or to help explain anything of public interest, are indispensable means of keeping people accurately informed, that they help all people, young and old, to better understand any subject in the public domain. NPPA recognizes and acknowledges that photojournalists should at all times maintain the highest standards of ethical conduct in serving the public interest.



Clyde Mueller
NPPA President
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
15:48 / 04.04.02
I was hoping for the original article that it would have accompanied in the newspaper.
 
 
Not Here Still
16:00 / 04.04.02
My opinion:

The picture should have won the award.

There are things in this world we don't want to face. There are things we do not want to look at.

Burnt Iraqis in a convoy hit by warfare. A child running down a road in Vietnam, burning napalm covering her skin. Emaciated bodies in concentration camps.

They are often the images which we most need to look at. This image is right up there with them.

It makes me fucking angry. It makes me feel sick. It makes me think about the way we look at women in our society.

It makes me question my attitudes, these people's, and society's.

It is horrendous. But ultimately, I'd argue it's worthwhile.
 
 
Not Here Still
16:02 / 04.04.02
It wasn't published until it went on the website; read the piece in bold.
 
 
netbanshee
20:43 / 04.04.02
When Mardi Gras was on its way, I had images in my head of the proir one that was being celebrated a few blocks away from my home in Phila. People knew that the swelling numbers made it difficult to be held accountable for whatever actions they took. Tons of businesses were damaged as well as more than a few sexual assaults.

What struck me about the whole thing was the projection of the event by the media as an oncoming disaster without tipping off any law enforcement reaction to it. Not only that, but the whole "Girls gone Wild" concept took off before that so every scumbag who could throw down $500 dollars for a vid cam was hoping for their take of some drunk 14 year old girl being poked and prodded into submission.

The only good thing to happen in regards to the recent one was the readiness for the event. The knowledge that you might just be held accountable for what you did by camera or policeman kept most people at bay. Hopefully this image will enable more to think the same way when the next one rolls around...
 
 
Mystery Gypt
22:02 / 04.04.02
from a story at poynter.org

Mike Urban of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer took the picture after scrambling to a fire escape to avoid a violent crowd.

"I saw this woman who in typical Mardi Gras fashion was asked to raise her top," Urban recalled to Poynter.org. "When she refused, they [the men around her] began to reach at her and tear her clothes… It happened so fast that the sea of people cleared and the woman just disappeared. There was no time for me to do anything."

The Post-Intelligencer did not run the photograph, in part because they were unable to identify the victim. "We had a photograph that certainly we knew was sensitive in nature, and one of the key stakeholders wasn't able to be a part of the discussion," said Ken Bunting, the newspaper's executive editor.


Urban goes on to say:

Urban hopes that although he was unable to help the woman during the riot, the publication of the photograph will do some good.

"There's this sense that sometimes photographers should be more than just witnesses," Urban said. "And given the circumstances of the photo I was obviously unable to do something. But I think what I'm doing, after having taken this photo, is raising consciousness."


unfortunately, as this article says:

Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said Saturday police almost certainly had the photo and investigated aggressively. But the woman never came forward to report a crime and has never been identified.

So there was little police could do, he said.

“It gets difficult trying to charge someone with a specific crime in which you don’t have victims and witnesses,” Kerlikowske said.


there's another article here with some of the arguments condeming the photo: http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/archive/200204/CUL20020402b.html
 
 
No star here laces
09:38 / 05.04.02
I want to raise another point here.

How much do you think the "bestial men/chaste female" angle is influenced by the fact that the majority of the men in the photo are from ethnic minorities and the woman is white?

Not to belittle the fact that it is clearly an assault, but...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:35 / 05.04.02
I for one would much rather be sexually assaulted by a white man.

I'd feel...safer, somehow.

Anyone feel that they are repulsed by this image because they fear thye dangerous sexual energy of the Negro races?

Having said which - As of a few years ago, the ethnic mix of Seattle was about 83% white and 5% Black, 8% Asian, 4% Hispanic. Although there are probably a statistically exceptional number of young black men in the audience according to that rubric, there are a fair few people there representing the Caucasian persuasion. It actually *is* more black and white than you would think...

However, I think the most interesting thing about Lyra's post is the phrase "chaste woman". I don't think anyone so far has suggested that she was a "chaste woman". I think the phrase has been more something along the lines of "victim of sexual assault". Am I alone in suspecting that there's a linguistically-encoded assumption there that, if she is not "chaste", the sexual assault perpetrated on her was somehow less severe?
 
 
No star here laces
11:32 / 05.04.02
The word chaste was chosen to reflect the nature of the discourse in the articles reproduced above and in several of the posts.

I am not suggesting she was 'asking for it' or any such.

Am simply suggesting that the simplistic 'moral outrage' provoked by this photo, particularly one suspects among those of a more conservative persuasion, is helped considerably by the fact that the assault is being perpetrated by those damnable over-sexed negroid types.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:55 / 05.04.02
Oh, sure - I certainly didn't plan to suggest that that was what you meant (the "asking for it" rather than the race issue). Only that what you said unconsciously invoked a virgin/whore dichotomy even as it drew attention to a perceived virtuous white/savage black/Asian/Hispanic dichotomy. Which was interesting.
 
 
The Monkey
15:09 / 05.04.02
Lyra - There's really no way to unpack your observation, given that both the moral outrage and undifferentiated image of "conservatives" are entirely hypothetical. Certainly, there are people who would look at this photo and find significance in the racial gradient based upon their forgone conclusions about the sexual aggressiveness of "other races," etc. but barring one of them actually speaking up, it's an entirely empty set for speculation...so there's really no end to the speculation about what various groups might interpret in this photo.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
15:28 / 05.04.02
Which raises the question of whether an image should be judged on the reactions that it receives or by more formulaic criteria.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:09 / 09.04.02
methinks i'll never become a 'real' journalist - because i would've waded in to help the woman. i understand the potential 'importance' of such images. but sitting back and taking notes instead of stopping the incident is unforgivable in my book.
 
  

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