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Plane Hits World Trade Center Part FOUR

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09:58 / 14.09.01

Take care, Ierne!
Nice to know you're intact (the first person I thought about when it all started was you - I'm glad you were far enough.)

We're The Great Old Ones Now

09:58 / 14.09.01

Guys...

where's Wyrd?

09:58 / 14.09.01

probably trying to find out where her sister is... i'm sure she'll check in soon.

09:58 / 14.09.01

quote:Originally posted by The Packard Goose:
ABC is now reporting that a total of ten people have been arrested at JFK and LaGuardia airports in New York tonight. Some of these were carrying knives, false ID's (including pilot ID's), and flight certification documents.
Nobody in the government is confirming or denying this.
There have been reports that some of those arrested (9 men and 1 woman) held tickets for a flight scheduled to take off from NY Tuesday morning but grounded by NYPD after the WTC hits.
Meanwhile, the defense perimeter at the White House has been pushed back, Cheney is still at Camp David, Bush and his senior staff are keeping out of sight, and helicopters are sweeping over D.C., searchlights shining.
After Rumsfeld's warning to keep a tight lid on all classified info, nobody with any specific details is saying anything. But the implication seems to be that a second wave of attempted terrorist acts, perhaps even by people with ties to Tuesday's hijackers, may have just been averted.

09:58 / 14.09.01

Have they revealed the nationality of the arrested people?

Ganesh

09:58 / 14.09.01

They're thought to be the same people who tried to get on a 'plane on Tuesday. There's some question as to whether there was a second wave of attacks planned, or whether they were trying to flee the NY area.

Nothing concrete about nationality. Arabs?

Ganesh

09:58 / 14.09.01

Oh dear. They're quoted as being both 'Arab-looking' and 'suspicious-looking'.

09:58 / 14.09.01

Reuters are saying that authorities arrested 10 suspects: nine men and one woman - and believed that there were plans to hijack planes at both Kennedy and LaGuardia airports in New York.
Some of those arrested were carrying knives and false identification and "some were Arabs".

09:58 / 14.09.01

'suspicious lookin''

god almighty

10:09 / 14.09.01

Heard about that - apparently they were supposed to go out in the first wave, but couldn't get flights after everything was grounded - so they decided to try again as soon as the airports re-opened.

Bit foolish, if you ask me.

Ganesh

11:27 / 14.09.01

Looks like they've found (or are just about to find) the black box from the one that landed by the Pentagon.

11:34 / 14.09.01

Anyone reckon that these "suspicious looking Arabs" may just be propaganda to convince the people of America that the government are now on top of things. Now they can claim that they stopped wave two before it even happened and the Americans will have restored confidence in airport security.

12:06 / 14.09.01

any chance we can keep the conspiracy theories to the appropriate thread, guys?

any more news yet? i'm going outside for some fresh air.

12:08 / 14.09.01

You know what? I don't give a shit if it is propaganda.

At this point, I just want to be assured that I, personally, and the ones I love, are able to go about their business without the threat of imminent death. That is what America needs right now. Maybe, in a few months, you can talk about propaganda and government conspiracies but at the moment that seems secondary to me.

I'm going to make an argument that I never thought I would make: that in the short run, it is okay if the government lies to me and tells me everything is under control and they have the bad guys. I ~need~ that right now. The US government is being ~responsible~ by lying, if that is what they are doing. They have the solemn trust to protect their citizens well being, and to calm the population down, let them think they are safe, is a proper function of the government at this point.

In a few months, we can look at possible discrepancies in media accounts, speculate that the CIA was involved, invoke goddesses buried under ice, whatever. I am just as interested iin getting the "truth" as anyone. I EXPECT the truth. (now that's naive). But right now there are different priorities. Priorities in caring for the victims and victims families. Priorities in making sure that the country and the world can go back to business as usual. Those are the important things. I don't advocate any violation of civil liberties to do these things. But anything that convinces me I won't die when I go back to work 5 blocks from the rubble on Monday is okay by me.

12:11 / 14.09.01

Furthermore, the way information is being reported here is through hearsay and rumor. No government official has spoken on the record about ANY of the arrests, at JFK< Newark, Boston, La Guardia, as far as I can recall.

What about the false reports that 5 firefighters were pulled alive from the rubble yesterday? Is that harmful "propaganda"? That brightened me up a little when I heard it, even if it was false. Apparently, that was just a misunderstanding.

12:31 / 14.09.01

Sorry if I upset you Todd! My prayers are with you! And you certainly gave the strongest case for propaganda I've ever heard! Your right as well, now is not the time or place. I've been a bit tactless really.

Please return this to the regular news thread and I'm sorry I diverted it.

12:38 / 14.09.01

The airport arrests - they're nothing to do with Tuesday's events according to Giuliani. He seemed pretty pissed off that the press had reported them as such.

The Packard Goose

16:21 / 14.09.01

Apparently, the ten people arrested at NY airports yesterday are not related to the terrorist acts of Tuesday.
Get this: a pilot for Delta airlines, on a flight as a passenger, for some reason was carrying his brother's ID. His brother allegedly lives in the same Boston house where some of the confirmed hijackers once resided. But neither the pilot nor his brother are connected in any but the most coincidental and superficial way with Tuesday's attacks. That's the story that everybody seems to be sticking to.
The other nine arrests were a group of people going to a Boeing conference. The air industry stickers on their luggage raised suspicions of airport security. These people have reportedly already been released.

The Packard Goose

18:37 / 14.09.01

And speaking of airport security, just heard a report that a couple (1 man & 1 woman) at LAX (Los Angeles International Airport) were detained, handcuffed, and interrogated following an alert by staff of Continental Airlines that the couple was engaging in "suspicious behavior."
The exact nature of said behavior? The couple were conversing in spanish.

19:42 / 14.09.01

what i find most frightening about today's reports is the fact that there are terrorists still waiting in the states to do what they've been sent to do...and i'm 400 miles away

Ganesh

09:44 / 15.09.01

quote:Originally posted by kooky has go-go power:
any chance we can keep the conspiracy theories to the appropriate thread, guys?.

Increasingly, Kooky, no. After a certain point, speculation (in light of the selective media reportage) becomes indistinguishable from conspiracy theory. I sincerely wish it were otherwise.

09:44 / 15.09.01

quote:Originally posted by Saveloy:
A bit on the BBC news this morning about mobile phone calls from people aboard the hijacked planes. One was apparently from a passenger on the Pittsburgh one saying that "some of us are going to try and do something about it." Anyone's guess if that's true or not.

Probably superold news by now, but as far as I know, that is true. I saw an interview with the woman whose husband made that call to her.

I also just saw a thing on ABC about how pilots in the US are trained to cooperate with hijackers as a means to save the passengers and themselves. How that will change remains to be seen I guess.

Again, thanks guys. Barbelith has been a huge help.

[ 15-09-2001: Message edited by: Mazarine ]

Ganesh

09:44 / 15.09.01

I suspect the actual structural layout of 'planes may change, with the pilots' area being hermetically sealed from the rest of the vehicle. Who knows?

15:58 / 16.09.01

quote:Originally posted by Ganesh:
After a certain point, speculation (in light of the selective media reportage) becomes indistinguishable from conspiracy theory.

i know. that's why i chuck in a reminder from time to time.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

19:21 / 17.09.01

"Wanted Dead or Alive".

Just great. Now he's actually starting to use cowboy metaphors and all that shit.

And has anyone else noticed how W. is sounding more and more like Christian Slater trying to sound like Jack Nicholson?

We're doomed.

19:33 / 17.09.01

God, Bush....I really, really want the guy to do good, under the circumstances, although I am appalled by him as a human being. Similarly appalling people can rise to the occasion (Guiliani being one of them), but Bush doesn't have it in him. You can feel his staff wincing whenever he opens his mouth.

The most bizarre thing about the US gov't's reaction is that the most strident rhetoric is coming from the President himself, who should be above the fray so to speak and busy himself with the practical matters of governing in the new situation. Instead he talks to the American people as if they were toddlers needing "star Wars" explained to them. I thought "we will rid the world of evil" was as low as he could sink on the scale of infantile rhetoric but I guess I was wrong. Wanted Dead or Alive indeed.

Good thing all signs point to the fact that he isn't in charge.

04:39 / 18.09.01

...true, true...don't forget about this.

Anyone see that the northern opposition in Afganistan is willing to provide 15k soldiers to war war effort if needed...changing of the guard in progress?

15:12 / 18.09.01

let's not forget that bush is also calling this "the first war of the 21st century"...(got that from reuters)

18:05 / 18.09.01

A friend corrected this for me; she waqtched the statement as he said "of the twentieth century." In evry newspaper I could find yesterday, the demand for bin Laden was backed up by the caveat: "even if he is turned over, there's no guarantee we won't invade Afghanistan" from Dick Cheney.

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