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L.O.T.R.-Moviegoing Experience

 
  

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Burning Man
14:12 / 19.12.01
I just saw it at the 12am show on Wed. I thought it was everything it was hyped up to be. Yes, it was the best Fantasy Movie every made. So well done, even the cheesy emotional drama and the slight but necessary deviations from the story (as I remember) didn't bother me. All those actors are now on the fast tract to superstardom.

What did bother me was this. I spent a third of the movie hearing two fanboys talking incessantly and loudly about the differences between the book and the move, and guys explaining things to their girlfriends etc- I had to yell at them to shut up-which pissed me off for a while after that (but at least they did-so I heard. Appparently the folks behind my wife were still talking (but I couldn't hear them).

Now I risk getting my ass handed to me, but lets face-those of us who are here, are fanboys and fangirls. We are the true believers, and we are very vocal about our likes and dislikes. If you have a tendency to get worked up about these things-please do everyone a favor around and keep it too yourself until after the movie. Explain it to your loved one before or after the movie, just shut the hell up!

Thank you and enjoy the show.

Burning Man Mark
 
 
The Knowledge +1
19:14 / 19.12.01
I haven't seen it yet, but I am wetting my pants in anticipation.

Balrog and big scary monsters GO!!!
 
 
Logos
09:29 / 20.12.01
Just got finished seeing it. Ubergeek that I am, I spent big chunks of the three hours giggling with recognition, despite the fact that I haven't reread the books for years now. Everything looks like it should, or at least like one versions of what it should. Everyone is pretty much grounded in their characters.

The only bad part was that at the showing I went to, the sound went out of sync with the film during the last reel, so that it turned into a really badly dubbed kung-fu movie for a while.

Well, OK, the other bad part is that they're releasing the next one a year from yesterday.
 
 
Naked Flame
09:52 / 20.12.01
Fucking awesome film. Just got back from the late showing.

Wow. Just.... wow. Gotta avoid the book for the next 12 months cos I realised that I can't remember when everything happens.

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Could I just say, thank fuck they left out Tom Bombadildo.
 
 
Hieronymus
09:52 / 20.12.01
Damn! Goddamn!

I've never even read the books unfortunately. But I have not been able to say this about any movie in years.... I'm most definitely going back to see this again. Solid from the word 'go'. The Citizen Kane of fantasy films and I wish to fuck I was exaggerating.

If George Lucas had any pride about himself, he'd feign death by a brain aneurysm right now. Puts his CGI porn to shaaaaame.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:52 / 20.12.01
Lord. I have not heard a single negative thing about this movie. Every review is glowing.... wow.

I'm going to have to check this out...I've never read the books, nor have I had any interest in the fantasy genre...but hey...I'll take the general populace's word for it now and again.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
09:52 / 20.12.01
No fanboy problems at the showing I saw. Everyone in earshot was perfectly well-behaved.

The more I think about it, the more I compare it to the first "Star Wars"--there are the same kind of melodramatic emotional moments, but somehow they seem to work. That and, y'know, wide-eyed wonder thingies... Lord of the Rings and Star Wars both have flaws, I'm sure, but I don't hang out with the kind of people who stop to point them out--I hang out with people who all go "Ooooooh".

I do have some interest in the fantasy genre in general, even not knowing the Tolkien specifics, so maybe you won't like it as much as I did, Flux--give us a review when you get around to seeing it.
 
 
deja_vroom
10:29 / 20.12.01
Could anyone point some online reviews?
 
 
Bear
11:12 / 20.12.01
The film doesn't really appeal to me, but all these good reviews kind of make me want to see it now, its already made number 6 in imdb's top 250 -

quote:For high-tech tasks, a computer program called MASSIVE made armies of CG orcs, elves, and humans. These digital creations could 'think' and battle independently - identifying friend or foe - thanks to individual fields of vision. Jackson's team could click on one creature in a crowd scene of 20,000 and see through his "eyes". Different species even boast unique fighting styles.

Now thats cool

imdb's info
 
 
Jack Fear
11:54 / 20.12.01
Interesting, thoughtful, somewhat-dissenting view from Roger Ebert: I'll quote it at length, because it makes some fascinating points and demonstrates that Ebert is, for all his cartoonish TV image, one of our finest living writers on film...

quote:We invest Hobbits with qualities that cannot be visualized. ... They are like children grown up or grown old, and when they rise to an occasion, it takes true heroism, for they are timid by nature and would rather avoid a fight.

Such notions about Hobbits can be found in "Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring," but the Hobbits themselves have been pushed off center stage. If the books are about brave little creatures who enlist powerful men and wizards to help them in a dangerous crusade, the movie is about powerful men and wizards who embark on a dangerous crusade, and take along the Hobbits. That is not true of every scene or episode, but by the end "Fellowship" adds up to more of a sword and sorcery epic than a realization of the more naive and guileless vision of J. R. R. Tolkien. ...

Wondering if the trilogy could possibly be as action-packed as this film, I searched my memory for sustained action scenes and finally turned to the books themselves, which I had not read since the 1970s. The chapter "The Bridge of Khazad-Dum" provides the basis for perhaps the most sensational action scene in the film, in which Gandalf the wizard stands on an unstable rock bridge over a chasm, and must engage in a deadly swordfight with the monstrous Balrog. This is an exciting scene, done with state-of-the-art special effects and sound that shakes the theater. In the book, I was not surprised to discover, the entire scene requires less than 500 words.

Settling down with my book, the one-volume, 1969 India paper edition, I read or skimmed for an hour or so. It was as I remembered it. The trilogy is mostly about leaving places, going places, being places, and going on to other places, all amid fearful portents and speculations. There are a great many mountains, valleys, streams, villages, caves, residences, grottos, bowers, fields, high roads, low roads, and along them the Hobbits and their larger companions travel while paying great attention to mealtimes. Landscapes are described with the faithful detail of a Victorian travel writer. The travelers meet strange and fascinating characters along the way, some of them friendly, some of them not, some of them of an order far above Hobbits or even men. Sometimes they must fight to defend themselves or to keep possession of the ring, but mostly the trilogy is an unfolding, a quest, a journey, told in an elevated, archaic, romantic prose style that tests our capacity for the declarative voice.

Reading it, I remembered why I liked it in the first place. It was reassuring. You could tell by holding the book in your hands that there were many pages to go, many sights to see, many adventures to share. I cherished the way it paused for songs and poems, which the movie has no time for. Like The Tale of Genji, which some say is the first novel, "The Lord of the Rings" is not about a narrative arc or the growth of the characters, but about a long series of episodes in which the essential nature of the characters is demonstrated again and again (and again). The ring, which provides the purpose for the journey, serves Tolkien as the ideal MacGuffin, motivating an epic quest while mostly staying right there on a chain around Frodo Baggins' neck.
There's a bit more in the link, but that's the crux of Ebert's thesis: that the film is not a translation of the book, but its own thing, with many of the same characters and incidents.
 
 
Sam Lowry
15:50 / 20.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Marquis de Jade:
Could anyone point some online reviews?


Check out the film's tomatometer rating (97% 'freshness' rating. That's certainly impressive. It's already #13 in Rotten Tomatoes' all-time ratings...). There are links to lots of online reviews...

I already saw the film. It certainly deserves every glowing review it has. Though being the rabid Tolkien fan I am, I might be biased... I'm more interested in the opinions of people not familiar with the books...

I find it interesting that Ebert's complain about the film has nothing to do with its intrinsec quality as a film. Basically he says that this adaptation shows a slightly different take on hobbits and Middle Earth in general than that he remembers form the book...
 
 
Margin Walker
16:37 / 20.12.01
My only complaint is that it's a long film. Like, 3 hours long. So if you have long legs like I do, get in line early (if you thought there wouldn't be line, you're just being naive) to find yourself an aisle seat. And eat beforehand--I hadn't eaten all day and by the time the end credits rolled, I coulld've eaten a horse.

That said, enjoy!
 
 
Naked Flame
19:34 / 20.12.01
Now if I could just figure out why the dwarf-tossing reference was so funny... was that Pratchett? or am I just thinking of some RPG I played in many many years ago?
 
 
Perfect Tommy
23:18 / 20.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Jack Fear:
...[T]hat's the crux of Ebert's thesis: that the film is not a translation of the book, but its own thing, with many of the same characters and incidents.
...which is what I think is probably true in general for the most successful adaptations. Like, The Princess Bride: there were things in the movie that weren't in the book that worked because they were on film, and vice versa.

And, yeah, I forgot to mention the length. It honestly didn't feel like a three-hour movie, but I was glad I'd peed immediately beforehand and that I have no money for sodas.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:13 / 21.12.01
I'm going in less than two hours... I can't fucking wait.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:03 / 21.12.01
Saw it at the Odeon Leicester Square yesterday. Enjoyed it muchly. I'm surprised no-one's mentioned how daring it is. Jackson took some real risks stylistically. Slightly alienating and uninvolving at times (probably due to strange pacing [not Jackson's fault: Tolkien hardly provides a tradtional a to b narrative - he did the best he could, I think, with what he had to work with] and utterly self involved, anally retentive nature of Tolkien's world), but, generally, pretty fucking rollicking. And, for a change, you actually give a toss about the characters. Which was nice. Not a dud performance either. Very well cast. Also fucking eerie and scary at points: don't give Galadriel that ring, young cock! Kids in the audience were pooing themselves (but in a good, end-of-Raiders of the Lost Ark, way).

You really don't notice the 3 hrs as they slip by. And you want the next film to happen quite, quite quickly.

"Let's hunt some orc!"

Yes indeed.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
16:41 / 21.12.01
Caught it last night and much as most here have said, it was pretty good. The CGI is patchy in places, but no more so than anything else ever is. I'm by no means a lover of the sword-and-sorcery genre, but this just seemed to work well. Hugo Weaving is shithouse, and Cate Blanchett is disappointingly wooden, but by and large the visuals meet the expectations I had from my (recent) reading of the novel. Top stuff.

Although there were people applauding during the Episode II trailer...
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
00:50 / 22.12.01
Yeah, I had the same Episode II applause stuff, but I'm not sure if they're showing the same trailer in the UK - the one they gave us was a bonafide moosedropping salad, and in fact there was booing after it.

The movie: amazing. I can't believe how well the book has been transposed to film, how delicate the work. I might be hoping that Frodo swallows some horrible insect in the next couple films - just to learn 'em to quit breathing through his mouth, but other than that, I loved just about every minute.

And I wouldn't call myself fangirl, but I do have to admit I got all tingly seeing the Lothlorien forest for the first time, and really, I mean really, would you pass up the opportunity to wear these ears? I woke up with my hair glued to my ears with spirit gum, but still contend it was worth it.

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
04:58 / 22.12.01
Saw it yesterday... here's my brief review...

HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK!!! (end review.)

I was almost in tears at the beginning cos it was so how I'd always imagined it...
 
 
Mister Remington Finn
12:27 / 22.12.01
1. The Movie was great. So they left out a couple of things and changed the odd bit (but hey, you cant never have enough Liv Tyler...)

Also Ian McKellan as Gandalf was supurb, he could be likeable, scary and mysterious, and all not out of place.
SPOILER!!!!
Best bit: When Frod says he cant see anything written on the ring and then suddenly he does. The facial emotions and expressions of Gandalf are perfect


SPOILER!!!:

the battlescene in the beginning was amazing, and it showed perfectly that the ring in the hands of sauron is not a very good idea....

2. Dont go there with kids, and advice people around you to rethink this idea, because three hours is murder.....after the fat kid in front of me flipped on his flashlight for the gazzilointh time I was ready to go postal (`they say it´s just like a mellon when you pull the trigger´)

3. What´s true about the rumour that there will be no Ents?
 
 
The Natural Way
14:39 / 22.12.01
What´s true about the rumour that there will be no Ents?

Nothing whatsoever.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:00 / 22.12.01
quote: The Lord of the Rings" is not about a narrative arc or the growth of the characters, but about a long series of episodes in which the essential nature of the characters is demonstrated again and again (and again).

And this is why I derived little to no enjoyment from the film when I saw it yesterday. It's a well done film, but it cannot escape the inherant flaws of its source material.

Three hours is a long time to sit through a film with no characters, no real plot, and no resolutions of any kind, I don't care how cool it looks.
 
 
The Knowledge +1
08:33 / 23.12.01
I loved it. The Mines Of Moria was my fav part - That fight with the cave troll goes on forever.

Thought Sean Bean, Viggo Mortensen and Ian McKellen were brilliant. PIPE WEED!!!

I thought it was boring in places but that's probably cause I read the book this Summer and knew what was coming next.

But man, EYE CANDY!!!
 
 
Ganesh
11:56 / 23.12.01
Saw this last night, and agree with much of what's gone before. Even stripped down to the 'bare bones' - and the emphasis shifted slightly from the hobbit's-eye-view of the book - it's a lush, evocative and yes, faithful interpretation. Totally agree with Moominstoat about how moving the opening scenes were with Hobbiton - which was just as I'd imagined it: slightly cheesy, ostentatiously bucolic Olde English idyll populated by cut-down versions of 'Home Front's Diarmuid Gavin. Great stuff!

Other random impressions:

Liked Ian Holm's Bilbo, particularly the split-second when he goes all 'Exorcist' on us in Rivendell, on seeing the ring around Frodo's neck.

The elves were better than I thought they'd be, although Hugo Weaving was too drag-queeny, Legolas (who I generally liked) ran like a girl and their so-called 'concealed doorway' to Moria lit up like a tacky Woolies Christmas tree. Also wondered what they actually did to pass the time (with no discernable economy) other than waft about in floaty garments and, presumably, condition their lovely, Timotei-esque hair.

Even with the much-vaunted embiggening of female roles, there's still a marked sense of 'innocence'/asexuality about the whole thing; Middle Earth is a world devised by a pre-adolescent male, all derring-do and no sex drive whatsoever. Even Saruman's orc/goblin husbandry experiments seemed to produce Uruk-Hai straight from the earth as opposed to the icky business of actual breeding...

I thought Cate Blanchett's "woodenness" was appropriate for Galadriel, whose book appearance always struck me as a little too hippy-dippy. Her more sinister aspect seemed to come to the fore here.

Watcher in the Lake was excellent.

Appreciated the teaser shots of Gollum, whose occasional croonings of my preciousss were reminiscent of the scary, scary Papa Lazarou. Hope the second film pauses to show us his backstory.

The underground scenes were incredible, particularly the goblins (orcs?) swarming down the pillars of Moria and the almost Escher-like depths of the works around Saruman's tower. By comparison, the non-crowd scenes seemed slightly disappointing to me, particularly the much-anticipated entrance of the Balrog.

Sauron's Eye: disturbingly vaginal...

The Ring-Wraiths worked well, particularly their hissing horses - even if their defeat at the crossing of the ford had been pre-empted by the award-winning Guinness ad of a year or two back.

All in all, I feel myself morph back into the pre-pubertal fanboy who, on finishing the trilogy, dashed off to explore the strange new 'Dungeons & Dragons' game which was, they said, based on ol' J.R.R.'s stuff. Fatbeard Island beckoned...
 
 
that
12:37 / 23.12.01
Ooooeee oooooeeee ooooeee! I am off to see it in an hour! Soooooo excited..
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
13:54 / 23.12.01
As someone who has yet to read the books (something which I intend to remedy soon), I dug the movie. It took me a little bit, but before long I got pulled in and really enjoyed it. I think I would have been willing to see all nine hours of it at once, had I been prepared. Three hours had me saying, "Awww...is that all?". Glad to see that Peter Jackson hadn't altered his style much for this film. I still can't understand how he landed this gig, though. Bad Taste and Meet the Feebles, while beautiful and perfect in every way, wouldn't really instill me w/a lot of confidence in giving him =that much money=. And, is it just me, or did the Balrog look an awful lot like the mother at the end of Dead/Alive?
Arthur Sudnam
 
 
Warewullf
09:46 / 24.12.01
I hate to be the first to say it but I was really underwhelmed by this film.

I have never read the books but I have read, and loved, The Hobbit. I was really looking forward to the film but was left kinda cold by it.

If you've gotten this far into the thread then I really needn't include THIS SPOILER WARNING!!


It was all very...flat. It gets a bit exciting then they walk around a bit then it gets exciting again then they walk around a bit more and then it's over. I know it's the first part of a trilogy and I've heard it's true to the book but that wasn't a very good ending for a film.

Oh, and they did that thing which I 've noticed in some films lately. When it comes to CGI battle scenes, they move the camera around really really fast so you can't clearly see what happens. I'm sure this is to emphasize the ferocity and speed and chaos of a battle but it's really annoying to watch and you get the impression that it's covering up some bad CGI effects.

And Frodo needed a good slap, if you ask me.

Ah, look, I've never been very good at explaining why I didn't enjoy a film. I just didn't enjoy the movie all that much.
On the plus side, it didn't feel like 3 hours. Maybe it'll improve on second watching.

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[N.O.B.O.D.Y.]
09:46 / 24.12.01
Haven't seen it yet...But I'm anxious, I have never read any of the books (and never been interested in them), but I have seen all of Jackson's movies, so I have reasons to trust him...The sad thing about this is that I don't think he will ever do another "Bad Taste" or "Braindead".
 
 
The Natural Way
09:46 / 24.12.01
Remember, kids, this is also the guy who directed Heavenly Creatures. It's not all weird lighting and melting brains, y'know....
 
 
Jack Fear
11:04 / 24.12.01
I have nothing useful to say, for good or ill, because this film did to me something that no other film has ever done: it short-circuited my critical faculties.

I read the books just once, years and years ago, and remember only bits and pieces--but the moment the screen lit up, my eyes filled with tears at how fucking right it all was; and for three hours straight I wept and gaped, feeling all the while like my heart was going to burst out of my chest.

I was absolutely demolished, emotionally wrung dry, incapable of coherent speech for a half-hour or so afterwards. Three hours was much too short. I wanted more more more right now now now, goddammit.

SO it was pretty good, I guess.

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:06 / 24.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Jack Fear:
I have nothing useful to say, for good or ill, because this film did to me something that no other film has ever done: it short-circuited my critical faculties.

I read the books just once, years and years ago, and remember only bits and pieces--but the moment the screen lit up, my eyes filled with tears at how fucking right it all was; and for three hours straight I wept and gaped, feeling all the while like my heart was going to burst out of my chest.

I was absolutely demolished, emotionally wrung dry, incapable of coherent speech for a half-hour or so afterwards. Three hours was much too short. I wanted more more more right now now now, goddammit.

SO it was pretty good, I guess.

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Yeah. What he said. Only more so.
 
 
Naked Flame
13:32 / 24.12.01
quote: it short-circuited my critical faculties.

Yes! That's exactly it... is that a good thing? It felt good.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:41 / 24.12.01
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Warewullf:
I hate to be the first to say it but I was really underwhelmed by this film.


No, yr not, I already voiced my dismay with the film... I mean, NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS! There's NO CHARACTERS! That's a big problem for any movie, much less one that is 3 hours long.

It was all very...flat. It gets a bit exciting then they walk around a bit then it gets exciting again then they walk around a bit more and then it's over. I know it's the first part of a trilogy and I've heard it's true to the book but that wasn't a very good ending for a film.

EXACTLY! I mean, the end pretty much is "well, hey. look, we accomplished absolutely nothing we set out to do, and a few of us are dead, but who cares since we didn't have anything in the way of character development along the way, so their deaths had little to no impact. sigh. well, I'll go this way in a boat, and you guys go that way through the woods, and we'll see what happens. bye! thanks for spending ten bucks to see this meandering, pointless mess of exposition! see you next Christmas!"
 
 
Perfect Tommy
14:43 / 24.12.01
That's exactly what I was trying to say by comparing it to Star Wars... Thanks, Jack. quote:Originally posted by Roger Ebert (kinda):
"The Lord of the Rings" is not about a narrative arc or the growth of the characters, but about a long series of episodes in which the essential nature of the characters is demonstrated again and again (and again).
I kind of got the feeling that the second movie was going to be the big character one--not because I know anything about LotR, but because it seemed to set up "Here are the small teams of adventurers that will be bonding next year as opposed to this largish ensemble with funny names we're trying to teach you to keep straight in your head." Some of what my friends were saying about the books (though they politely avoided spoilage) seemed to maybe-just-maybe back that feeling up. quote:Originally posted by Warewullf:
When it comes to CGI battle scenes, they move the camera around really really fast so you can't clearly see what happens. I'm sure this is to emphasize the ferocity and speed and chaos of a battle but it's really annoying to watch and you get the impression that it's covering up some bad CGI effects.
Oddly enough, I got none of that feeling, and usually I do in quick-cut action films. Tomb Raider, Blade I think, there are lots of others in which I know that the cuts are to raise the emotional temperature but I find myself muttering, "Can I please have an establishing shot? Just a little one?" Didn't notice it once during LotR--I got the feeling of knowing more or less what was going on, where, rather than just feeling like I was getting a shiny blur of bullets/aliens/swords/power-cosmic. *shrug* Maybe that's 'cause my critical faculties were short-circuited.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
15:19 / 24.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Flux = Chief Lotsadough:
...a few of us are dead, but who cares since we didn't have anything in the way of character development along the way, so their deaths had little to no impact.
I was sad and I didn't know who the fuck they were when I walked into the theater. I'm easy, I s'pose.
 
  

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