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Neon Genesis Evangelion (Possible Spoilers)

 
  

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Seth
18:47 / 18.10.01
To begin with, I haven't seen it. I've been hearing recommendations for years, and I want to know if it's worth investing (I love anime, don't watch enough of it, and I've heard this is a masterpiece).

Persuade or dissuade.
 
 
The Strobe
22:00 / 18.10.01
Right. I've seen it all.

It's a masterpiece.

It takes a while to get going. The first couple of eps are very generic big stompy robot affairs, although they all have things you don't know the significance of til later.

By about 7 or 8, it gets VERY interesting.

By 21, it's more fucked-up than a fucked up thing.

And then there's 25 and 26, the ending. There's also the movie, "End of Evangelion", which is an alternative working of 25 and 26. I can't explain more without *SPOILERS*, but I suggest you watch EoE AFTER the whole series.

26 25 minute episodes. It's brilliant. Some very complex topics covered, some surprisingly good animation, and some great characterisation. It's more than anime - I'm currently watching the anime series "Noir" (which onyl just finished airing in Japan) and am less than impressed. It's just a cartoon. EVA, by contrast, really does grab me like a good movie/book/comic. Remarkable stuff. And in many ways, moving.

It's odd, though. Not odd in a bent/perverse/stupid way. Rather mindbending. Very Barbelith.

Hunt it down. One thing: do NOT get dubs. Get subtitles. The dubbed version is appaling. Fansubbed divxes are easily available on the net, as are .rm files. I've only got a few of the divxes, but am looking into acquiring the set again...
 
 
deja_vroom
10:56 / 19.10.01
I'm no anime connoiseur, but here's my thoughts:

I watched the whole series and the alternative ending of the thing... what made me mad was that they hide stuff from you that is essential to understand the plot, which I think is too much convoluted to begin with. Was it based on a manga, right? So they don't give too much details about that whole mess (angels, evas, adam, eggs, what's with that Longinus Lance, anyway??)

Anyway there's plenty of good ideas there.
It just came to a moment when I thought: "Fuck, I give up trying to understand what's going on. Let's just enjoy the bloodshed"...
And, of course, it's pretty fucked up - Asuka running to tell her mother something and then finding her mother... well, go watch it...


P.S.: "Ghost In The Shell", on the other hand, rocked and rocked and then rocked again a lil bit more.
 
 
Seth
11:45 / 19.10.01
Cheers, Paleface. I reckon I’ll keep a look out. I seem to remember a friend bought a box set of the whole series (can’t remember if it was on DVD or video disc), so I may track this down. At this rate I’ll be getting a DVD player purely for anime (the new Akira translation is out soon, and I don’t think I’ll be able to stop myself).

Ghost in the Shell is indeed a brilliant film. I believe the people who made it worked on Patlabor 1 and 2, which are two of my favourite films (I loved the fact that they were anime with no sex, swearing or violence, just well characterised political thrillers with mythological overtones). All three films are have these lovely poetic, visual interludes, which subtlety work to build the themes. Ghost in the Shell is showing at Southampton’s arty farty cinema this weekend, and I may well pop along as it’s always nice to see it on a big screen.

The original GitS comic is well worth a look. It’s more conventionally manga than the movie (lots of silliness), but also goes into depth in areas that the film sketches over.

Who’s seen Blood: The Last Vampire yet? I’d be interested to know what people make of it (I’ll need to see it again before making up my mind).
 
 
tSuibhne
13:20 / 19.10.01
[QUOTE]Originally posted by expressionless:
At this rate I’ll be getting a DVD player purely for anime (the new Akira translation is out soon, and I don’t think I’ll be able to stop myself).

That was one of the main reasons I picked up my DVD player I ussually prefer subs but sometimes I'm just not in the mood to deal with them, or I've got a friend who's not used to reading subs, and so I'll switch over to the dubbed. EVA's dub, in my opinion, is not as bad as some. And, I think, I've heard some hardcore anime freaks saying that EVA's dub is the only decent dub out there. I mean hell, it's a shit load better then Princess Monoke. I can't even watch that dubbed.

SIDE NOTE: Does the Akira DVD have anything new to it? Besides the translation? I've got an old VHS copy of it, and I'm having a hard time justifying shelling out the cash to pick up the DVD. May be my mind will change when Dark Horse finishes collecting the series, and I've read it all, but right now the story just does nothing for me.

The original GitS comic is well worth a look. It’s more conventionally manga than the movie (lots of silliness), but also goes into depth in areas that the film sketches over.

I've got to second reading the Manga. very cool. Anyone heard any new info on if/when Dark Horse might release the second manga collection?

Oh, and for good anime thrillers. Check out Perfect Blue if you haven't. Hitchcock does anime.

Who’s seen Blood: The Last Vampire yet? I’d be interested to know what people make of it (I’ll need to see it again before making up my mind).

I was looking at this the other day in a shop, but didn't pick it up. Looked interesting. I'd love to hear impressions.

Oh, and my thoughts on the EVA series? I've only got the first two DVD collections so far (first 8 episodes) and I'm getting pissed that I can't find the rest. The only other one I've come across is something like 5 or 6, and I really don't want to watch these out of order.

Has anyone picked up the manga for this series? If I dig the series, should I be drooling over the manga?

[ 19-10-2001: Message edited by: I Am ]
 
 
The Strobe
16:12 / 19.10.01
Jade - nah, the anime came first. What's with the Lance of Longinus? Just yet _another_ biblical allusion. As if there weren't enough already.

I personally find the ep25/26 ending a bit more satisfying than EoE. EoE has some BRILLIANT animation and (spoiler but won't make much sense) the bit where the MP-EVA units form that Sephirothic tree is just nuts. Essentially though, it's just a case of representing what was internalised in 25/26 externally. Which makes it a BIT bleeding obvious, as opposed to almost too cryptic. They really needed a balance between the two.

You really need to watch the thing twice. Bits in ep1/2 only make sense after the ending. It's not that hard to understand though, you just have to take it carefully. It's also worth having other people to discuss it with... also, the Director's Cuts of 21-24 make things a bit better, highlight some things that weren't clear.

I am: NGE manga is to be honest, crap. I skimmed some in Borders. Completely disenchanting. And missed a lot of the point of the series.

As for format - I saw it all on DivX. I don't have it at the moment, but I could get it again. It's fairly good quality, and pretty well subtitled (fansubbed). It's a shame the first DVD is 1-8, it's only just getting going by that point.

I'm definitely no anime connoisseur. But it's a very fine series.
 
 
moriarty
03:14 / 20.10.01
Not quite as masterful as Neon Genesis Evangelion, but another great series, which I am endlessly plugging, is Martian Successor Nedesico. It's basically one big honking homage/piss-take of the anime space opera. Loads of humour, romance, adventure, death, and thoughts on the costs of war, hero worship, the corporate/military/industrial mentality and the role the media has on the public in times of battle. The characterization is top notch, and I found by the end that characters I thought I didn't care about had become favourites.

The single best aspect of this anime, though, is the cartoon within the cartoon, Gekigengar 3. It's the ultimate tribute to the Giant Robot anime of yesteryear, especially Starvengers. Not only does it play a HUGE part in the actual series, but it also has the greatest anime theme song of all time. I've adopted it as my morning wake up song.

"LET'S GO, PASSION!"
 
 
The Strobe
08:47 / 20.10.01
Nadesico is specifically a pisstake of Space Battleship Yamato, a late 70s anime.

Essentially: the WWII battleship Yamato is raised. And converted into a spaceship.

What, and indeed, the fuck. Apparently according to the anime-people I know it's not bad, but it sounds old and pooey to me. I'm really not an anime fan, all that j-pop and weird pointless shit pisses me off. That's why it's so curious that I love NGE so much... (though the NGE theme song REALLY dicks me off).
 
 
Rogue1
08:47 / 20.10.01
As one of the "anime-people" that paleface knows, I thought I'd better post a few thoughts

Nadesico does indeed spoof Space Battleship Yamato quite heavily (even the name is a pun on it), but that shouldn't necessarily put you off. By the standards of its day, Yamato was great anime... it was a closer contemporary to the likes of Battle of the Planets than to Evangelion, which perhaps puts it in perspective a bit. The concept of a WW2 battleship being refitted as a spaceship is undoubtedly cheesy, and the animation is horribly dated by today's standards, but if you can put aside your prejudices, it's still a fun show, in an undemanding way.

Nadesico manages to spoof Yamato (among other series) fairly mercilessly at times, but generally maintains a fairly affectionate tone. It also has far better animation than the older shows, making it much easier on the eyes.

As for Evangelion... well... everybody should watch it, just so they can disagree with everybody else about it. I've never known a series excite such wildly differing views as NGE. Personally, I love it and prefer the EOE ending to the series ending, but I know plenty of people who disagree with me on both counts. It's important to try and go into watching Evangelion with as few expectations as possible and to avoid jumping to conclusions about it based on the first few episodes, since the series enjoys nothing more than giving you an unexpected kick in the teeth.

Finally, don't let Paleface put you off Noir. The first few episodes are a bit slow, I admit, but it's a superb series and has perhaps the best soundtrack I've heard for any series... live action or animated.

I Am: I've got Blood: The Last Vampire on DVD. It's a very pretty film, but extremely short (less than 50 minutes) and it doesn't exactly have much in the way of depth.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:04 / 20.10.01
LAIN watch Lots of LAIN
now, about Eva
I love it, i currently own the whole series plus badly subbed illegal import DVDs of the movies, and am trying to rip em to DIVX with mp3 audio to save on hard drive space

the way you are thinking when you first watch NGE is important, i was expecting mindless combat, and was very suprised, good watch
 
 
moriarty
13:06 / 20.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Paleface:
What, and indeed, the fuck. Apparently according to the anime-people I know it's not bad, but it sounds old and pooey to me. I'm really not an anime fan, all that j-pop and weird pointless shit pisses me off.


The reason I didn't mention the Yamato (AKA Starblazers) is because you really don't need intimate knowledge of that or any other show to enjoy this series. I have many friends who love Nedesico, and it's split half and half between people who are pure otaku and people who wouldn't know Ranma from Goof Troop.

I'll admit it's not for everyone. There are a number of people out there who have the "Watchmen" syndrome, where the first thing they've encountered in a chosen medium is one of the best there is, and they won't settle for anything less. I still have a number of friends who haven't liked any new anime since Akira, and probably never will. Also, if you don't like romantic comedy, or the "weird, pointless shit" romantic comedy sometimes portray, then you're right, this probably isn't for you. Me, I loved the Ultimate Teacher, Ranma, and Rival High Schools United by Fate (Ok, so it's a video game, sue me).

I'm actually quite curious, Paleface, why you have a hate-on for a series that you not only have never seen, but also have been told is really great.
 
 
moriarty
13:09 / 20.10.01
And I second Lain. When I rented the first tape, there was no dubbing or subbing. It was one of the oddest hour and a halfs of my life. Scared me and my brother shitless.

Still haven't seen the full thing, because those bastards at the video store pulled it from their shelves after having it for only 2 weeks. Seems they like to order stuff in and put it on sale "used" so they can scoop it cheap.
 
 
Ria
14:26 / 20.10.01
I have only seen one bit of NGE. the last part of it (the movie?) accompanied by ambient improv'ed accompanyment. talk about gnosis. talk about minds blown. unforgettable.

Ghost in the Shell: ends half an hour into the real story. me thinking, "yes. I know this already. I have read sf. I have seen sf movies. very obvious. please get to the point." pretty pictures though.

I love the way most anime looks but the writing almost always lets it down.

if you want a real mind-messer than see Neo-Toyko. the wordless sequences which wraps around the stories... the best accurate representation of tripping ever on film whether meant that way or not. so so good. I cannot say how good.

[ 20-10-2001: Message edited by: Ria ]
 
 
Rogue1
16:07 / 20.10.01
I third Lain. Thoroughly weird series, but very decent. I remember watching several eps of it with friends while playing the Lain drinking game (1 sip every time something weird happens, 1 sip for every shot of power/phone lines) and getting very drunk indeed

Now... other series and movies I would recommend...

Cowboy Bebop is a pretty decent series. I object to its lack of character development, but the atmosphere and soundtrack are superb. Slayers is also a very good and very funny series, so long as you don't go to it expecting great depths of subtlety. And Wings Of Honneamise is a pretty good movie, which should be fairly easy to get hold of in the West.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:23 / 21.10.01
that game sounds like a good way to get blotto, will try it at my housewarming
 
 
Frances Farmer
16:40 / 21.10.01
I don't know if anyone else answered this, but the thing about the Lance of Longinus, from my perspective, is this:

Obviously, NGE already seriously blurs the lines of "What Christianity is All About". Part of that comes with the placement and utilization of the LoL. Originally, for Judeo-Christians, the Lance of Longinus was the weapon the Roman, Longinus, used to verify Jesus' death.

However, in NGE...

Oh. Wait.

This isn't a spoiler thread, is it?
 
 
The Strobe
20:20 / 21.10.01
And of course, the Lance was thus a tool that man used to attempt to destroy Christ... but he came back anyhow. Not to mention it was used by the unbelievers. To destroy the Messiah. Who just came back, stronger.

It's not blow for blow, but hey kids, do you see some parallels?
 
 
Seth
22:32 / 21.10.01
OK: I'm well and truly sold on Evangelion. You bastards know exactly how to manipulate me. Any mention of Biblical themes...

On this subject, do any of you love the Patlabor movies as much as me? Have any of you seen the series (I haven't)?
 
 
RadJose
02:36 / 22.10.01
my comic shop used to rent out anime when i worked there, and i tended to watch what ever the fuck they wern't renting, so yeah i HAVE to be another on here to say LAIN IS THE SHIT! very very cool, saw the whole run in a week, it rocked, dug Saber Marionette J too (but not any of the sequels of the original run) and now i've been sold on NGE as not just and oh-taco thing, rock and thanx
 
 
rizla mission
13:08 / 22.10.01
quote:Originally posted by moriarty:

..and it's split half and half between people who are pure otaku and people who wouldn't know Ranma from Goof Troop.


God, GOOF TROOP! That was quality..

..um, I'll just get my coat..

Actually, I'd probably quite like to get into Anime and stuff (Evangelion sounds great), but, y'know, one only ever gets to see it on videos that cost money and that may or may not be any good and that will probably be the 10th part of some bizarre ongoing story and make no sense.. so, y'know, just not practical.

And, hey, my life could really do with another expensive, geeky obsession that encourages a collector's mentality and is impossible to explain to the majority of human beings.

<blunders around room falling over piles of comics and CDs and obscure Sci-Fi books>
 
 
The Strobe
15:15 / 22.10.01
quote:Originally posted by expressionless:
OK: I'm well and truly sold on Evangelion. You bastards know exactly how to manipulate me. Any mention of Biblical themes...


You're going to love Evangelion...
 
 
Margin Walker
00:43 / 17.10.02
*bump*

Over in the Anime thread, Arcboi wrote: Absolutely incredible stuff that looks pretty standard anime fare from the outside, but is actually very, very layered and benefits from repeat viewing.

It falls apart at the end somewhat, but the Death & Rebirth film help to sort that out. Also run the film with the commentary on - lots of weird, interesting (and hilarious!) stuff on there.


Yeah, I've seen "End of Evangelion" & "Death & Rebirth" recently. "Death & Rebirth" did a good job of condensing the story for the uninitiated while "End of Evangelion" explained the weirdness of the last couple of episodes better than the series did. BTW, is there enough interest to start a spoilers thread in the Magick about the story of Lillith and how it fits into (amongst many, many things) the Kaballah & Neon Genesis Evangelion. Any takers? I'd start one, but I'd be talking out of my ass. Not that that has stopped me in the past....
 
 
The Strobe
08:27 / 17.10.02
I've never seen Death and Rebirth, simply because I think that story's pretty much uncondensable. I'd argue that EOE is only slightly better than the series ending - both are entirely valid explanations of what happens in that period of transhuman transformation. One (the low-budget TV one - they'd run out of money) is internalised, from Shinji's perspective. One is externalised, with rocking EVA fights and shit getting really fucked up. They're both equally valid, though.

exp: PM me. I have enough CDs and probably enough time to do you a set now. And I really do hyper-owe you this. I'm not backing down on the promise.
 
 
arcboi
19:55 / 17.10.02
I don't think Death & Rebirth totally succeeds, but how do you condense a 26 part TV series into one film? But when it goes beyond the series and starts rocking - it *really* starts rocking. It took me a few minutes to figure out what Shinji was doing at the start of Death. Disturbing stuff. It really brings it home that all the Eva pilots are severely fucked up.

As for the occult angles - watch it with the commentary on. Lots of very interesting stuff comes out there, including details you hadn't previously been aware of. I will warn you beforehand though that the commentary does give away some spoilers that come up in EOE.
 
 
tSuibhne
23:15 / 17.10.02
I just watched the comentary track for EoE last night. Second to those who said it was insiteful and hilarious. I think I'm going to try and watch the comentary on Death and Rebirth tonight.

I found it interesting in the comentary track for EoE that they were justifing the jokes by saying that the movie was so damn disturbing that after the first several viewings they had to start laughing, since it was basically the only way to deal with it. There are deffinetly several scenes in there that are a bit off putting. Something about Oska's expression when she's fighting the EVAs. And then the whole "flashback" in the playground.

The original ending is deffinetly more of a stright out head fuck. The movie is a more mild one. I still find it interesting that the creator got death threats because people didn't like the way the TV show ended.

Oh, and to whoever said that the series was just impossible to understand. That was supposedly on purpose. The creator apparently took a bit of glee in fucking with his audience. Esspecially with EoE, which he apparently didn't want to make. To paraphrase one of the commentators, he ended the series (meaning the movie) in a way that satified the viewers requests, but at the same time, did it in the most unsatisfactory way he could.

SIDE NOTE: I remember Fred over at megatokyo.com talking in one of his rants about becoming attached to charecters, and then being hurt by what their creators did to them. The example he used was Oska. And I deffinetly have to agree with him that that poor girl goes through the fucking ringer.
 
 
brokenlink
09:41 / 18.10.02
1. i'm reading evangelion now, just finished the 6th book. never watched the anime, however. dunno if it's very different

2. lain is *really* something, thought. it's *the* anime for me. serious good stuff in there. melts all psycho-cybernetic crap we've been debating since the 60s in 13 almost mute 'layers'. autistic cyberpunk with godlike little girls. a must

3. anyone saw niea_7? it's from the same creator, i was curious about it
 
 
The Strobe
12:34 / 18.10.02
Lain's superb.

And the NGE mangas always looked shite to me.
 
 
arcboi
13:02 / 18.10.02
The D&R commentary probably gives a little too much away, especially concerning 2 of the characters (although pausing the DVD for a single frame at one particular point does give the game away..). The trailer for EoE is also a bit too revealing IMHO.

Asuka kicking the shit out of the military was definitely a highlight of the film tho. The mystical stuff is great, but we all love to see giant robots throwing battleships at tanks now and again.. ;-)
 
 
Kase Taishuu
15:40 / 18.10.02
hmm, ok. Lemme disagree with the people here.

NGE is filled with great ideas (maybe even more than Lain is), but I found it just mildly entertaining as an anime series. The change of tone in the end (when a perfectly nice narrative is replaced with overtly pretentious rhetorics) is what annoys me the most, but there's also all the hidden stuff (as Jade pointed out) in your way to properly understand the story etc. You know, if the whole thing had been better organized, and if they had trusted the story's capacity to illustrate their point a little bit more, it would have been just perfect.

Anyway, I was told (need I say I'm not a conoisseur either?) it was somewhat of a "breakthrough" in how anime is perceived, and in that case those flaws would be forgivable. I wonder if this is right or if someone can point me to an earlier example of all that volume of ideas compressed into the format of an animated series, though ^~
 
 
tSuibhne
18:20 / 18.10.02
You know, if the whole thing had been better organized, and if they had trusted the story's capacity to illustrate their point a little bit more, it would have been just perfect.

That assumes that you were supposed to understand it all. From what I've heard/read, you aren't. It's supposed to be confusing at points. Who says everything needs to be explained and understood?
 
 
arcboi
18:21 / 18.10.02
Actually, I'd agree with you Kase. NGE is flawed and it just can't manage to provide a coherent ending in the TV series.

I got the impression that it had been well planned and well thought out for the most part. But it must have been pretty tough to tie up so many loose threads towards the end.

Flaws aside, I can't remember being so affected and so impressed with a concept since possibly The Invisibles (another series that I feel struggled to provide a coherent ending).
 
 
Seth
07:54 / 11.09.06
What. In. The. Blue. Hell?

The Japanese version of anime magazine NewType has set the anime world aflame with information about the new Evangelion animated project Evangelion Shin Gekijou Ban / Evangelion New Theatrical Version. Four theatrical films will be included in the umbrella imitative, which will be a distinct, purposefully more accessible, retelling of the Evangelion story.

Three of the movies are said to be Gundam style compilation films.

Creator and director of the anime Hideaki Anno will be supervising the project which be directed by Kazuya Tsurumaki (responsible for the first two episodes of the original and FLCL), with character design by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (Eva, Nadia, FLCL, .Hack) and mecha design by Ikuto Yamashita (Eva and Yukikaze).

Various sources are saying that the first is due in summer 2007.


More information here:

The title for the new film series is "Evangelion Shin Gekijou Ban", it will consist of 4 parts (First volume, Second part, Latter part and Final story) with the first part arriving in Japanese theaters in early summer, 2007. Staff include General Supervisor: Hideaki Anno, Director: Tsurumaki Kazuya , Character Design: Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, Mecha Design: Ikuto Yamashita, Animation Production: Khara (Color) Studio. The scenario of the 1st part will be written by Hideaki Anno with storyboard by Shinji Higuchi. Key points of an interview in the magazine with Toshimichi Ohtsuki of King Records have also been circulating. According to that information: -The content is quite different though the time base of the story is the same as the original TV series. - It will be a remake, however, it is not a re-creation but a "new work". - The approach will be different than what Tomino-san did with the Gundam Z New Translation films, there will apparantly be a large amount of new material. - Even if the TV series has not be seen, the viewer will be able to enjoy it. Though the content becomes easy, it is not redundant to those already familiar with the series. - The technique that purposely scatters difficult words and phrases will not be used any longer. - As an antithesis to current animation industry segments, it is an attitude on the production side to pull the act in the age that started from Eva.

A few new details regarding the new Eva project, Evangelion Shin Gekijou Ban from the October, 2006 Japanese edition of Newtype Magazine: - The cover illustration featuring characters Ayanami Rei Nagisa Kaworu is by Shunji Suzuki. Suzuki had worked on the Shin Seiki Evangelion TV series as chief animator and on the End Of Evangelion movie as an animation director. Although not officially connected by name to the new project as yet, his image appearing on the Newtype cover would suggest involvement. - Images released so far depict Rei Ayanami in observably more provacative and animated moods than before. How will she change? The silent and submissively naturered character with her trademark blue hair and style made her an all time fan favorite of otaku everywhere, catapulting her to the top of the monthly Animage character poll for many, many issues. - From Toshimichi Ohtsuki's interview: Just before this new project started up director Hideaki Anno rewatched the entire original television series back to back. Ohtsuki relays that he heard Anno say for the first time: "Eva is interesting, I did not think it was so interesting (laughing)." The comment almost broght Ohtsuki to tears. - Ohtsuki goes on to say that it is true Eva has become a smash hit animation. However, it's success caused misunderstanding and disarray has arisen in the animation field because of it. An overproduction of inferrior works was caused. - Ohtsuki says the Newtype cover image featuring Rei and Kaworu symbolizes the new movie project. Japanese fans have questioned whether this is a hint at Rei And Kaworu's possibly being at the center of the new story or getting expanded focus in the course of the story of the films.

9-9-06 (8:55AM EDT)---- Further Evangelion Shin Gekijou Ban Details With Newtype's scoop out in Japan this weekend the floodgates of inquiry on the 4 new Evangelion movies have apparently opened wide. While the Newtype information is new to general public, like most print magazines the material was most likely put together several weeks to a month in advance of publication. In that time new things with story have happened and Sankei Shimbun has interesting new information on the project already. First off they mention the original 3 Eva films made 4.5 billion Yen in total at the Japanese boxoffice. The manga published by Kadokawa Shoten has exceeded 15 million copies sold over the existing 10 volumes. Videos and DVD's sold exceed 4.5 million copies and about 30 billion Yen. Total goods sales exceeds 100 billion Yen. While the overall project is being called "Evangelion Shin Gekijou Ban" as mentioned in Newtype, the individual films are being titled "REBUILD OF EVANGELION". The First Volume, REBUILD OF EVANGELION:01 is due out in early summer 2007 it will have an estimated running time of 90 minutes. The Second Part, REBUILD OF EVANGELION:02 is expected in January 2008, also with a running time of 90 minutes. The Latter Part + Last Program of the series, REBUILD OF EVANGELION:03-04 are expected in early summer (possibly June) of 2008, they will have an estimated length of 45 minutes each. Additionally, ANS has learned the 3rd part (Latter Part) (which corresponds to the events of the movies and episodes 25 and 26 of the TV series) and the 4th "Last Program" will be mostly new stories and material. Parts 1-3 will use some key animation sequences from the original TV series, with new backgrounds (settings) and music. Shinji Higuchi is confirmed on the project and has already completed a new story board for the 1st film. A good deal of 3DCG animation will be implemented. The total economic effect of the 4 new Evangelion films is estimated at around 100 billion Yen or more. Director Hideaki Anno has chosen this point in time specifically to produce the new Eva, waiting until the hype of the previous works to cooled down.


I was going to ask what was the point of this. . .

But then the last paragraph started mentioning the sales figures.

The history of Evangelion is about to get even more complex, with even more alternate versions. And that's not even taking into account the long-stalled-in-development-hell live action remake that Western studios have been talking about for years now, and that WETA are tied to for pre-production at least.

What I really want are completely fresh stories from Anno. If he needs to return to Evangelion then I'd like to see a Girlfriend of Steel anime. Or a continuation of Evangelion from the point that End of Evangelion left off, maybe with a break of thirty years or so. There are points in the story already where you can continue to put out material under the name and still have it be something new rather than a retread.

Of course, if Anno's involved then final judgement will have to be reserved until it's out.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
15:59 / 11.09.06
Just a short comment: I was under the impression that Evangelion was based less on the bible but instead upon a version of the end of the world found in the Dead Sea Scrolls that the director/writer was obsessed with during a long hiatus before he came back to anime. True?
 
 
Sylvia
18:19 / 11.09.06
What I really want are completely fresh stories from Anno. If he needs to return to Evangelion then I'd like to see a Girlfriend of Steel anime. Or a continuation of Evangelion from the point that End of Evangelion left off, maybe with a break of thirty years or so. There are points in the story already where you can continue to put out material under the name and still have it be something new rather than a retread.

Yeah, I love my Platinum edition of EVA with the cleaned artwork and the extras, but a whole new story that would ideally flesh out the world a little would be really good.

On the other hand, I'm fascinated by the editing process and wonder what will be kept and what will go in order to "remix" the core story. I'm also excited about the idea of new footage.

Just a short comment: I was under the impression that Evangelion was based less on the bible but instead upon a version of the end of the world found in the Dead Sea Scrolls that the director/writer was obsessed with during a long hiatus before he came back to anime. True?

Never heard that one before.

According to this site (the main page is down but the FAQ is up), the Christian imagery was used chiefly because in Japan it's an exotic and mysterious religion.

Here's a choice quote on the subject from that page:

"Finally, at the Otakon anime convention held in 2001, assistant director Kazuya Tsurumaki (who was the director of The End of Evangelion: Episode 25' Air - while Anno personally undetook The End of Evangelion: Episode 26' Sincerely Yours and acted as Chief Director) was asked directly what relvance Christianity had to Evangelion. This was his reply:

Tsurumaki: There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice."

Given the religious interpretation people like to use when tackling the series, I think the fact that it was never meant to be a religious show per say according to Mr. Tsurumaki is an interesting revelation. The writers would have had to do SOME sort of research on Judeo-Christianity to at least get the names right, but from this perspective it's all window dressing. (I don't mind that myself. I wonder if they'll tone down, amp up, or keep the religious references in the new 4-part Eva movies the same now that there's been 10-years worth of criticism and interpretation lobbed at the series)

If you're at all interested in EVA I highly, highly recommend the linked FAQ. The page's author has consolidated some official but hard-to-find information into one handy place, paying attention to what is and isn't considered canon (personally I love this kind of stuff). It explains some things that were alluded to but never really obviously stated in the show which is handy if you're trying to keep track of what's what and who's who.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
19:04 / 11.09.06
Ironicly, my favorite part of the show was a reimagining of a Judeo-Christian view of the end of the world into a more science fiction setting. Similar to the "space gods" interpretation of ancient myth.

Really, I'd like to see more of that sort of thing than a more or less straightforward apocalypse like in the OMEN or LEFT BEHIND series. There really is no reason that a modern fictional interpretation of Christianity should be stuck in the usual Medieval conceptions.

I mean, from a spiritual point of view, it's no more likely that God would sit on an actual throne in Heaven than he would use a flush toilet. Ipod's are just as likely (or unlikely, really) as harps in the afterlife.
 
  

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